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Do you support a plan in the Kansas Legislature to increase the sales tax 1 cent on the dollar to protect funding for education and social services?

Response Percent Votes
Yes
 
61% 758
No
 
36% 446
Not sure
 
2% 28
Total 1232

Comments

John Hamm 4 years, 7 months ago

Absolutely NOT! It's time the looters learned to live within budgets! Fire 'em all.

grammaddy 4 years, 7 months ago

I'd support almost anything to protect school funding. The only way out of poverty is through education.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 7 months ago

But if we don't get our taxes under control, we'll all be in poverty.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

The looters are in white collars sitting in the capitol building so it seems.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Their hands are tied on that sports facility. It came from a separate voter-approved bond issue, IIRC. Meanwhile, they've laid off teachers and let go paras and other support people.

CLARKKENT 4 years, 7 months ago

NO, BECAUSE THE EDUCATORS NO LONGER EDUCATE.

MY PROBLEM WITH THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, IS THEY JUST PLAIN SPEND TO MUCH. EXAMPLE---I KNOW OF FOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN CENTRAL KANSAS THAT ARE WITHIN 25 MILES OF EACH OTHER. THE FOUR DISTRICTS HAVE APPROX. 500 STUDENTS. EACH DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN BUILDINGS. [SOME NOT SO GOOD] EACH HAS SUP., PRINCIPAL, TEACHERS, AND BUS SERVICES. THESE DISTRICTS SHOULD BE FORCED TO CONSOLIDATE. THIS ALONE WOULD SAVE IN EXCESS OF HALF A MILLION A YEAR. THESE ARE PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT NEED TO GET TOGETHER IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE TO MAKE EDUCATION RIGHT, I WILL VOTE AGAINST ALL WHO ARE NOW IN OFFICE AT THE NEXT ELECTION. I KNOW I AM NOT ALONE.

slowplay 4 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, but you are alone. "i will vote against all who are now in office" is an ignorant comment that proves you have not or apparently never had looked closely at the qualifications of each candidate. You don't throw out the bushel because of a few bad apples. BTW, I came from a school district that consolidated (3 schools). Costs did not go down. They stabilized but did not decrease.

NickB 4 years, 7 months ago

You spelled "too" wrong. Maybe they didn't spend enough on you.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Hmm, we might not want to combine with Olathe. they school their 9th graders separate from their 10th-12 grade senior high schoolers, and they school their 6th graders at the same school as gasp their elementary students.

Cindy Yulich 4 years, 7 months ago

Clarkkent is right about statewide consolidation. In reality, the legislature is subsidizing inefficiency throughout the state.

Ralph Vickers 4 years, 7 months ago

IT IS A SCAM. they say it is for education, but it never is used for that. always goes in the general fund. Just eliminate the tax breaks for businesses will do the trick. Not more taxes.

BorderRuffian 4 years, 7 months ago

Terrorists!!!!!

Everytime the state wants more money, they threaten to cut back on education and social services. Then, when they get people whipped up into a frenzy, they generously offer us the opportunity to pay more taxes. Why this should not be seen as terrorism is beyond me. This is hostage taking at its worst.

monkeyspunk 4 years, 7 months ago

Iit is unfortunately unavoidable for the most part. I am not sure, but I think between 80% and 90% of the entire state's general fund is split between two agencies, Dept. of Education and SRS. The rest of the fund goes to the other agencies which must find ways other ways to meet budget needs.

When our legislators start cutting, once they go through those agencies that get the tiny pieces of the pie, all that is left is education and social services.

CLARKKENT 4 years, 7 months ago

MADE IN CHINA--

I COULD NEVER RUN FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. I DO NOT HAVE THE EDUCATION OR THE MEANS TO RUN FOR OFFICE. I AM JUST AN OLD GUY TRYING TO GET BY ON SOCIAL SECURITY. I HAVE TO ALSO WORK TO SUPPLEMENT. UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THE RICH OUT OF OFFICE AND GET SOME NORMAL WORKING FOLKS IN, THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE. IT IS A CRYING SHAME, BUT IS IS A FACT WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE A WAY TO GET THE WORKING FOLKS IN. THIS WILL NOT AND CAN NOT EVER HAPPEN.

avoice 4 years, 7 months ago

Border Ruffian hit the nail on the head. The visceral reaction people have when their children are "threatened" is the most effectively exploited mass-mover in any society. The "its for the children and the most vulnerable citizens" ploy is used to elicit emotional response that will result in herding the human sheep in whatever direction the government, the marketers, etc., want the masses to go. Works every time. It works so well that much of the wasteful spending we see in "education" is a direct result of all the times that social programs have been loaded onto our public school system. These programs have nothing at all to do with educating people sufficiently to hold down a good job, but their proponents know that the best way to get the money is to get it done through the schools. As a result, our schools spend most of their time and resources providing daycare and social services instead of producing an appropriately educated society that can hold its own in the global marketplace.

labmonkey 4 years, 7 months ago

Not until they consolidate, get rid of administration, and quit building unnecessary facilities.

kitnkat 4 years, 7 months ago

Those of you who talk about consolidation have never lived in anything other than a city. In fact I'll bet you've never been west of Topeka. (And going to Manhattan for games doesn't count). You may think that 25 miles is close enough, but in winter when the snow is falling and the wind is blowing 60 mph that 25 might as well be 100. And what have you done to help "make education right"? What kind of time have you given to after school programs? Or donations for supplies? How often have you run for the School Board? Educators are doing the best that they can with what they've got which wasn't a whole lot to begin with. Now even that's been cut to beyond bare bones. You want education to be better? Do something! And I'm supporting the tax.

jackpot 4 years, 7 months ago

well they did one thing right, it will go away after three years.That is till they renew it again and again... ..........

somedude20 4 years, 7 months ago

oh hell no!! I have a budget to work from and when that is gone it is gone as I do not have anyone else to extort money from like the State of K does. Extortion: an exorbitant charge unjust exaction (as by the misuse of authority); "the extortion by dishonest officials of fees for performing their sworn duty" the felonious act of extorting money (as by threats of violence) wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I now want to make a citizen's arrest on these evil-doers

CLARKKENT 4 years, 7 months ago

KITNKAT

I DO KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK. I GREW UP IN THAT AREA. I HAVE BEEN ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, HAVE DONATED TIME AND MONEY. THEY NEED TO FORCE CONSOLIDATION, IN SOME CASES. OF THE FOUR SCHOOLS I MENTIONED, ONLY ON IS IN THE TWENTY MILE RANGE. THREE ARE WITHIN 11 MILES OF EACH OTHER. MONEY IS BEING WASTED. I WOULD BET THAT SOME OF THE LAWRENCE ROUTES ARE TWENTY MILES. YOU ARE THE TYPE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN WEST, BUT ALWAYS HAVE PLENTY OF ADVISE. EDUCATION IN KANSAS NEEDS TO BE RE DONE.

kitnkat 4 years, 7 months ago

I grew up in SW KS. I am one of the few who will never say that Western KS is Wichita. And what exactly about education do you want redone? Besides the consolidation, what do you want to change? And why can't you run for office? You ran for the school board so your education and lack of funds didn't stop you there.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

No, what they did was taxed without representation. That's why we elect representatives. To be represented. If you don't like what they decided, vote them out.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

I think taxing the poor and giving incentive cuts to the rich is a really stupid way to do it, too.

Alexander Smith 4 years, 7 months ago

I am willing to pay to keep the education because I want my children to succeed. As for making them stick to the budget cutting the money for education is not the answer. The answer is doing the following. 1.) Get rid of any unions that work for the state, unions had there time and they are the laziest most wastefuly organization around. We have laws now that protect and their use is over with. 2.) Follow leading corporation on hiring practices, family can't hire family. Conflict of interest does not exit in the state. BAD practice. 3.) Run the state LIKE a major corporation were efficiency, quality, and effective use of resources is done. State ran funds is horrible, I mean the next time you see street repair done ever notice there is one guy runing the equipement and three to 4 standing around doing nothing? The capital renovation project is a joke. They are wasting state funds and dragging it out as long as possible. I think the chunnel in europe was built faster then these people can do it.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm not disagreeing about education funding, but I would like some clarification on your other points.

1) - Can you tell me which union specifically you think is lazy and wasteful? Kansas is a "right to work" state, meaning that union membership is voluntary, not a job requirement for getting hired, so I'd like to know how getting rid of voluntary union membership would save tax dollars, given your hypothesis that workers are already protected by other means rendering unions worthless. It would seem that workers who felt unions were useless just wouldn't join one. My workplace has a union, and union employees do not earn any more than non members.

2) Can you cite some examples of nepotism that you see in the state and how it is affecting the budget?

3) Do you know for sure that there isn't a reason why there are people standing around when you casually observe a construction site? I've seen plenty of construction sites from commercial developers that look about the same, and I can't say that they weren't waiting for one task to be done so they could use a different piece of equipment or something.

I don't disagree that construction projects should be efficient when possible. I'm just saying that I don't know how following your three steps would suddenly lead to a cornucopia of wealth for the state.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

sales tax affect the poor more than the wealthy. I will support a sales tax when there is a grocery exemption.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

I'd rather have an income tax, too, but it seems this year the choice is between sales tax or kicking the disabled and children in the teeth. So I'll go with the sales tax and hope next year we can have a rational discussion about why people earning $30,000 a year pay the same percentage as those earning several million.

Truthspeaker 4 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, we should really punish people who dared to have the audacity to be successful. We should take as much of their money away as possible because....well...they shouldn't be allowed to have it!

Bravo.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes. Everyone earning anything above $30,000 should be taxed until all they have is $30,000 left. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Or, you know, taxing the people who most benefit from our economy at a slightly higher rate in order to support the system that earned them that wealth in the first place. One of the two.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

unfair and untrue statement.

We are asking them to accept the same level of responsibility as the poor. As it stands now, the poor pay a greater percentage of taxes than you do.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

As a percentage of gross, that is. The rich still pay more. It just doesn't hurt them as much.

tbaker 4 years, 7 months ago

Those who put forth the proposition that a tax increase is the only way to protect funding for education and social programs are employing the “false dilemma” fallacy. For this to work, people must be convinced that everything else the state spends money on cannot be reduced. Reasonable people know this isn’t true. Kansas state government, like many other states, grew much larger during the booming 90’s and now that the economy has / continues to contract, the tax revenues that once supported more/bigger state government are simply no longer there. This situation will only continue to get worse. Whipping up public frenzy about “endangering the children” is nothing but a ruse. It is an appeal to the legions of morons who don’t consider the fact that increasing the sales tax does not fix whats wrong with the state budget; it just delays what needs to be done. It gives spineless politicians a little more time to avoid the hard decisions about the Kansas budget that still remain to be made. “Draconian” cuts in spending are needed because there has been a “draconian” reduction in revenue

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Can you cite specific areas where strategic budget cuts could be made to avoid cutting education and social services? Here's a helpful chart: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2011_KS.html#usgs30200

slowplay 4 years, 7 months ago

geeky,

I really like your style. People come on to these blogs with vague generalizations and whining rhetoric, then, when questioned for examples or alternatives they fade into the woodwork. Keep it up.

tbaker 4 years, 7 months ago

Heres your alternative example: Shut down the Kansas department of education. Shut down local school boards. Shut down public schools. Do all of this on a conditions-based schedule over the course of the next ten or so years, reducing the state and local budgets/tax levies as conditions are met. Replace this entire government-ran function with a system of private schools. The per-student cost of private schools is less than public schools, and the acedemic performance of private school students far exceeds that of public schools.

Heres how: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11734

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

That contradicts your first statement about raising taxes vs cuts in education being a false dilemma.

tbaker 4 years, 7 months ago

No it doesn't. The tax increases are being portrayed as THE ONLY WAY to provide the services. Since there are clearly other ways for these services to be financed, the tax increase advocates are presenting a false dilemma.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

So far, your alternative is to simply cut all services. However, I agree. It's not the only way to finance them. It's just the only way that's likely to pass during this session.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

It's exhausting chasing after the moved goalposts for this one, heh.

tbaker 4 years, 7 months ago

Helpful chart huh? Tell ya what: pick a category. Any category. Cut them all for that matter. People will simply do without fill-in-the-blank service provided by the government. Its just that simple. The money isn't there to pay for it. We just have different philosophies. You strike me as someone who believes government is "entiteled" to the money people work for and earn; I don't. Beyond emergency services, soaking tax payers becuase of the belief there are state-provided services that are simply so important they eclipse the needs (and rights) of the people who have to earn the money to pay the taxes that pay for them is simply wrong. Just once I would like to see a politician have the guts to stand up and say we are going to close XYZ school becuase we cannot afford it.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

The money is there to pay for it. We're just not collecting it, and you don't value the services government provides. That's an entirely different discussion.

I'm sure your Dickensonian paradise is very lovely. Except for the little old ladies who lose their KPERS pensions after you cut them, and the mentally retarded adults who no longer have anyone to care for them, and the children who roam the streets when their parents are at work, since they no longer have a school or aftercare programs. Also the long drive to the hospital, since the one around here is city supported, plus the lack of parks, museums, and higher education, and the drinking water which is no longer safe. But hey, you won't have to pay an extra quarter when you buy a movie ticket.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Huh. I think LJW just ate this. Anyway, I think the biggest problem is that schools are saddled with extra responsibilities without the extra time, staff, or money to handle them. So things that might have been good ideas end up being boondoggles.

And quite often the answer when we see something happening is to pass yet another unfunded mandate to try and fix it. Witness NCLB and the new teaching to high stakes bubble tests instead of teaching higher thinking skills.

Tony Kisner 4 years, 7 months ago

Seems Kansas needs to take a look at the cost/tax structure and compare to it to other States. I think Nebraska would look a great deal like Kansas in population and cost/revenue basis. How do we compare?

This State could be in trouble if the taxes keep increasing; if you don't have a productive farm, there is not a lot to keep people here.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

Tax increases are always supported in Lawrence because Lawrence is Barbara Huppee's welfare state. Ms. Huppee has kept herself busy creating this mess for little more than 20 years, and now it's huge. And because the housing authority is so huge it is also an important voting bloc. She does get the bulk of her funding from HUD but in this last election she found her corrupt political friends in which to filch money from the city (again). It almost entirely all goes into luncheons, pay raises for the LDCHA staff, shiny new cars, trucks, and vans, and other waste.

It is what it is.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

Lawrence has its glut of social service agencies, to be sure. Buyer Beware. They don't help anybody. More waste.

BadLlama 4 years, 7 months ago

Consolidating school districts is NOT the answer. It kills communities, and it doesn't save a lot of money. When you consolidate schools, you are vastly increasing the student population in one district, which would force the remaining districts to spend more money on expanding facilities, updating technology, buying new transportation, and hiring more teachers to educate that sudden influx of students. I lived in a small community that was about 30 miles from Colorado (and 40 miles south of I-70), and the school is the heart of the community. If that school district were to close, then that town would very quickly become a ghost town. Consolidation of school districts will not work like some think it will. The number of kids doesn't change, only how far away they have to go to get to school.

newsreader 4 years, 7 months ago

are they increasing it 1 cent or 1 percent?

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

61% Yes. More lawrence real estate goes into Ms. Huppee's portfolio, more dope fiends/dealers from around the country will arrive, and they will live, like they always do, under the protection of the derelict housing authority. And it's all to spread this cancer even wider, tax ever higher, and continue to kill off the good that Lawrence, KS. once was.

Fraud makes money, folks, not work.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

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IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

As for funding education, don't. No proven method has been found to educate those naturally afflicted with backward mentalities.

Don Whiteley 4 years, 7 months ago

In most years, I'd agree that public education is a bottomless hole into which one throws money, but I think we've gone about as far as we can go. There's no fat left except the sports programs, which ABSOLUTELY should be on the agenda to cut. But before they cut a dime from their football programs, Americans will destroy every aspect of their educational system and we've started down that road. Time to cough up some more money, but equally time to put the obese high school sports programs on a substantial diet.

4 years, 7 months ago

Short term only, don't renew.....

finance 4 years, 7 months ago

God save me (and all of us) from the anti-tax terrorists. I forgive them, for they know not what they do. Actually, I don't forgive them. The hell with them.

deskboy04 4 years, 7 months ago

Too much overhead in schools. Consolidation would save a lot of money.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 7 months ago

I know it 'sounds' mean to say 'no'; but you need to take into consideration that a penny here and a penny there, then an added nickle then an extra penny again all add up! This will not be the last penny they want from us....

Keep your hands out of my wallet and tax PORN! I think having perverts pay for education and social services sounds wonderful!

TURNIPS!

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

They tried to get them to tax cigarettes, and the argument was that people would just buy their smokes in Missouri, so I'm betting they'd have a similar argument for your proposal.

But the idea of an entirely sin tax funded school system makes me giggle.

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 7 months ago

Funny. Several scientific polls have found majority support for a tax increase.

And here, despite this online paper being widely populated by ardent anti-government types, the support is winning by a wide margin.

Keep on hating, though. It is good for your blood pressure.

Liberty275 4 years, 7 months ago

Not even close. No More Taxes. Period.

Sunny Parker 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes....punish everyone who earns more money than I do! They haven't worked for their dollars...make them pay more to take care of the lazy people!

purplesage 4 years, 7 months ago

Absolutely not. Anyone know how Tom Holland voted on this one? I'm getting the budget axe from a job I've had for 10 years at a school and I do not support increased taxation for schools or any other reason.

dogsandcats 4 years, 7 months ago

I support education and social services to get all the funding they need. But not to raise taxes to get it. How about some responsible government spending?

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

oneeye_

I think that Loring pretty much only receives funding. He's not that smart of a guy, actually, to know how to steal those funds.

Barbara Huppee's housing authority is the true source of the insane amounts of money, the welfare, the lazy people, the moochers, etc., especially the City itself.

Ask why and it's due, in part, to the HUD-allocated HAP (Housing Assistance Payments) that last year totaled $2,919,548.00 for the year. That's just the Section 8 program money that the LDCHA brought into Lawrence.

This makes two million + reasons for our City leaders (so-called, anyway) to bow to Ms. Huppee's every wish. The Section 8 program is only one of the housing authority's myriad programs, however. And of course, every year she wants more. And she will get it because for this sad, sorry town to survive Ms. Huppee must be made to feel as though life is Burger King. She can have everything her way.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

I thought the purpose of the housing authority was to help find homes for those without them in your area -- not a resettlement program.


You thought wrong.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

"Ethics" means zero, zilch, to the LDCHA. Take yet another example of their questionable conduct. Clinton Place (2125 Clinton Parkway) and Peterson Acres l and ll (2930 Peterson Road) are operated by the housing authority. Both house low-income elderly. Last year the housing authority fleeced these people out of a total of $925.00, that is $832.00 from Clinton Place tenants and $93.00 from the Peterson Acres site.
This is how the housing authority has achieved this type of theft: Since January of 1998 they have revised their MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE OF CHARGES a total of eight (8) times. This schedule is a two-page listing of maintenance repair items that had always been standard work orders. Now, however, the old writing is replaced with what the HA now refers to as "tenant caused damages," but they're not tenant caused damages. Only the maintenance schedule writing has changed. Low-income elderly folks are being ripped off in a way that they cannot possibly afford. Take just one item from the list: Bathroom vanity w/sink at a charge of $105.00. WTF!! In the first place, how in the world do they call this damage done by a tenant?? It's bogus! It's criminal conduct, and there is no excuse for this to go on and on.

Every Abe Lincoln of that $925.00 needs to be paid back to those tenants while the LDCHA needs to get out of the business of defrauding their tenants.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

I now have the name of the individual who has been stealing office supplies out of the housing authority's Resident Services Office.

The eyewitness to the above activity "dissappeared" this month on the 6th. The Lawrence-Douglas County Housing Authority, the Lawrence Police Department, and Bert Nash all wanted this individual "silenced" and all worked together to make that happen.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

When the Community Commission on Homelessness talks about housing they are talking about housing everyone who is "processed" through the Shelter going into the Lawrence-Douglas County Housing Authority. The people who attend the CCH meetings are predominantly LDCHA staff (Charlotte Knoche, Heather Hoy, Steve Cowan), Bert Nash staff (David Tucker, Brad Cook), and DCCCA "stakeholders." I haven't finished researching all names.

This is some scary "networking" that they're pulling off. For one thing, each person lured into this becomes a statistic. Those are the numbers that the LDCHA and social service agencies, etc. use to holler for money! more money! These people are just being used. The LDCHA uses its Moving To Work funds now to construct more housing. Their original MTW plan was recently amended by HUD so that they could use the money for this new housing.

But who in their right mind wants to live under government control? Well, the housing authority is exactly that! And growing! The Shelter is so important to them because it's at the shelter that people are "made ready" (at least to Charlotte Knoche) to occupy housing here in Lawrence. In other words, they will be assigned a case manager and will also be referred to either Bert Nash or DCCCA for "treatment." Because, like the caste system in India, the people being lured here are the very poor, the drunks, the mentally ill, and the users, hence, the lower classes. The Shelter is the Gateway - kind of like an Ellis Island.

Socialism = Communism (takes away the Commonwealth)

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

Barbara Huppee disdains the poor. Every bad thing that happens to a tenant happens with her approval.

IndusRiver 4 years, 7 months ago

by the way, India was named from the Indus River.

I am not from that part of the world. I am American, born in Texas.

just a little trivia : )

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