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How would you have voted for the debt deal passed in Congress on Tuesday?

Response Percent Votes
No.
 
51% 266
Yes.
 
43% 222
I don’t know. (Tell us why in the comments)
 
4% 25
Total 513

Comments

JustNoticed 3 years, 8 months ago

Yes, knowing that it will make the recession worse (we should be stimulating the economy with more debt, not strangling it) because these lying, thieving frauds - or ignorant tools of the oligarchy (plenty of both), left no other choice.

Steve Jacob 3 years, 8 months ago

KC Star had a great editorial, ripping congress for taking so much time to come up with such a basic deal it could have been done in a day. Got me thinking, what has Congress voted on this year?

kujayhawk7476 3 years, 8 months ago

A lot of people say just what you did, but aren't willing to sacrifice entitlements or eliminate federal spending that will be transferred to the wallets of individuals. Are you? How do you feel about additional revenue, i.e., tax increases on income or other tax increases?

Tax reform is vital...flat tax with no deductions seems fairest to me!

Alexander Smith 3 years, 7 months ago

Flat tax will not work. you have to remeber lets say there is a 25% sales tax on a family that makes 60k a year and has 3 kids in daycare which adds to around 9 to 13k in daycare a year that leaves 45K left. start putting in house payments,, car payemetns, bills of all kinds. Thats a struggling family at that point.

NOW if you have someone that makes 300k a year after that the taxes that same family has over 220k left. these people most likey do not have house payment, car payments.

With this knowledge its the middle and lower class that keep the economy going. With this class struggling they can afford less, so less is purchased and invested and the economy plummits.

The more one makes the more taxes they should contribute. The issue is in the loopholes. Close those and our current tax system will work just fine. Also apply heavy tax fines on the people that put their funds in other countries to avoid taxes. Remove the penalities when they keep the funds in the USA.

Fossick 3 years, 8 months ago

Nope. This generation needs to pay its own bills and stop passing the cost to their children. The result of 'no deal' would have sucked for us. The result will suck worse for the next generation, who must now shoulder the cost of their own choices plus ours.

Fossick 3 years, 7 months ago

They were correct a generation ago, or has it escaped your notice that had they dealt with the problem then, we would not be dealing with it today?

Fossick 3 years, 7 months ago

There is a bipartisan consensus against it, as was demonstrated yesterday.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

I'd have followed Dear Leader's example from his time in the IL legislature and voted "present".

grammaddy 3 years, 8 months ago

I was hoping he'd invoke the 14th so he could thumb his nose at the GOTP and leave the entitlements alone.

Eileen Jones 3 years, 8 months ago

It's immoral that everyone lost something except the super-wealthy. It's unpatriotic for them not to pay their fair share.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

No, how about if you define the share. How much of their incomes do you think the super wealthy should pay in taxes?

In other news: "Blah blah blah".

Fossick 3 years, 7 months ago

Which pretty much goes to show that 'fair share' doesn't mean anything. It's a mantra, a little snippet of voice or typing that makes Moonbats feel like they've contributed to human knowledge and moral improvement.

David Reynolds 3 years, 7 months ago

Then promote a change to the tax code. Scrap the existing system and go to either a Flat Tax or a National Sales Tax.

2002 3 years, 7 months ago

The problem is that there are two extremes in America that are ignorant and two parties that are catering to those extremes. One extreme wants to fix every spending problem immediately even though it took us several years to spend ourselves to death. Those extreme Republicans, forget too soon that the GW Bush administration was a main culprit in out of control spending partly by dragging us in to a stupid and unnecessary war. The other extreme thinks that everything can be fixed if we just tax the rich and corporations. This, of course, is foolish because the richest 20% pay over 70% of all taxes and corporations that are over taxed will either raise prices and pass the cost on or move to another country (see the California model).

As for a vote on the deal? You had to vote yes and only the jerks voted no. I'm a pretty conservative guy, but I learned all I needed to know about the "Tea Party" in the past two weeks and have no intention of ever supporting them. The market implications of not raising the debt limit were clear and much of the tea party leaning electeds didn't seem to care.

To let this issue get to the 11th hour shows how little Congress cares about the average American and how little leadership there is right now in the Executive branch.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

"To let this issue get to the 11th hour shows how little Congress cares about the average American and how little leadership there is right now in the Executive branch."

Agreed, but let's place blame based on facts and not on false equanimity that both parties are bad.

The teapublicans made this an issue in the first place by demanding debt reductions as a part of raising the debt ceiling, unprecedented in history.

Obama quickly compromised and removed any tax increases and increased the amount of cuts.

The teapublicans then moved the goal posts and kept saying "no". no matter what Obama did.

Finally, Obama dug his heals in at an extension though 2012.

While one can certainly criticize Obama about his tactics, it is clear that he wanted to avoid this showdown and so compromised. The teapublicans would have none of it, and forced the showdown.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

No. Any debt reduction plan that does not include increased taxes on the wealthy is not serious about reducing the debt and should have been DOA in my opinion.

think_about_it 3 years, 7 months ago

There aren't enough rich people:

"This year, Congress will spend $3.7 trillion dollars....If Congress imposed a 100 percent tax, taking all earnings above $250,000 per year, it would yield the princely sum of $1.4 trillion. That would keep the government running for 141 days, but there's a problem because there are 224 more days left in the year."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=286217

jafs 3 years, 7 months ago

Nobody said we should only increase revenue.

The plan with the most likely chance of success would be to both cut spending and increase revenue.

think_about_it 3 years, 7 months ago

But surely you understand that the "tax the wealthy" crowd is all just rhetoric.

What I am trying to point out is that as stupid as taking everything over $250k is it still wouldn't even make a dent. Even if we matched all of that new found tax money dollar for dollar with program cuts it would still leave us $1 Trillion short. That is just the spending for one year!

And believe me if you confiscate everything over $250k you'll only get to do it once.

Increasing the already ludicrous tax rates can do no good. What we need are more people paying Federal taxes. 1/2 don't pay anything. The only other thing that will work is spending cuts and you see how much it took to get that little paltry amount passed just this week.

There aren't enough rich people to pay for your entitlements.

jafs 3 years, 7 months ago

They aren't "my" entitlements.

And, a combination of revenue increases and spending cuts is the only reasonable way to get to fiscal sustainability.

About 47% of people don't pay federal income tax - they do, however, pay FICA.

heygary 3 years, 7 months ago

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words; redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends, because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked , “How is your friend Audrey doing?’ She replied, ‘ Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She Is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.” Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA, and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.” The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!” The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the conservative movement.” Maybe that will cause some real critical thinking in the minds of some liberal college students.

jafs 3 years, 7 months ago

The obvious and critical flaw in this story is the idea that somebody who has a lot of money got it through hard work.

And that people who don't have much money don't and haven't worked hard.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 7 months ago

that is the worst analogy I have ever seen. Only a moron would compare a grade point to the ability to feed a family. The daughter is smart the father is on some bad juju. The one point you fail to understand is that its the hard working middle and lower class that allows the rich to be rich who waste money likes its water. You also fail to understand that since we are no longer a self sustaining economy the GOP theory no longer works. The bailouts and scandles prove that.

heygary 3 years, 7 months ago

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words; redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends, because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked , “How is your friend Audrey doing?’ She replied, ‘ Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She Is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.” Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA, and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.” The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!” The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the conservative movement.” Maybe that will cause some real critical thinking in the minds of some liberal college students.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

This is a facile fable.

First off, much government spending benefits all socioeconomic groups including the wealthy, such as streets, bridges, police, fire, defense, medicare, and social security. Not to mention corporate subsidies and bailouts.

Second, a GPA is earned by individual effort and excellence. Wealth is often inherited, or is the direct result of government spending (e.g. oil, railroads, internet).

While such fables appeal to the simple mind, they are pretty stupid when analyzed further.

I say: "Welcome to the intelligence movement".

David Reynolds 3 years, 7 months ago

Sorry "yourworstnightmare" my tax money comes from my individual effort and I resent paying it to a government that does not hold frugality & individual liberty as values. They waste my money. My family can put it to better use.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

So, you resent using roads and bridges and being protected by police, fire and military? You resent using the internet?

You need to realize how much government spending you consume each and every day. Like posting on this site over the internet.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

Oh, and citizen1, before I believe anything you say, please tell me how you make your money. We need to ensure that no government funding is coming into your coffers.

BigDog 3 years, 7 months ago

Wrong again ... yourworstnightmare ......80% of those considered affluent are first generation rich ..... not inherited. Spend a bit of time thinking about it .... all the next technology and other companies created in the last 20 years

billbodiggens 3 years, 7 months ago

All it did was again raise the debt ceiling - did not solve any problems. There is absolutely no one in congress or the administration that is willing and able to govern. All of the news programs and guest interviews centered around who gets to take the blame or the glory from any deal. There was absolutely nothing about solving anything. The Kansas delegation is as bad or worse as all of the others in congress, no matter what their party is. Throw them all out. They are all just sitting there making themselves rich from the "opportunities" presented to them because of their elected positions. They all end up being citizens of Virginia and only laughingly talk about being from Kansas while they turn themselves into millionairs. Bums and Scums, the lot of them.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

I post my comment from above in response to Heygary:

This is a facile fable.

First off, much government spending benefits all socioeconomic groups including the wealthy, such as streets, bridges, police, fire, defense, medicare, and social security. Not to mention corporate subsidies and bailouts.

Second, a GPA is earned by individual effort and excellence. Wealth is often inherited, or is the direct result of government spending (e.g. oil, railroads, internet).

While such fables appeal to the simple mind, they are pretty stupid when analyzed further.

I say: "Welcome to the intelligence movement".

Charlie Bannister 3 years, 7 months ago

Good analogy Heygary. Heard it before and still true today. All they did with this debt deal was kick the can down the road yet again. It is more than beyond me how anyone can justify this out of control spending. I thought it was bad when Bush ran up 1.3 trillion in 8 years. Chairman Mao Bama has run it up another 5.5 trillion in just two and a half years, and will run it up an additional 2.4 trillion before he is voted out in 2012. Let us now add this all up. National debt was 9 trillion when Bush left office, it will be just under 17 trillion when Chairman Mao Bama leaves office. Does this resonate with you liberals? I doubt it.

heygary 3 years, 7 months ago

“Both the government and its debts will continue to grow faster than the American economy, primarily because the new law does not address federal spending on health care.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/us/...

When this liberal rag finally starts deviating from the company line, you know things are serious!

blindrabbit 3 years, 7 months ago

Vote however it would bring a quick demise to the T-Party. Us former GOP'ers are running from the party as quickly as possible; thanks to Smilin Sam and his ilk!

Alexander Smith 3 years, 7 months ago

The T-Party is very scary group of people. I am Democrat and I am running with you.

2002 3 years, 7 months ago

What separates me from other conservatives on the spending/debt issue is this: stop whining about debt when you supported Bush in his mythical chase for WMD's and you still support war against a foe that will never be beat. Obama has carried that foolish spending forward. Afghanistan is a freaking rat hole. We are never going to establish a democracy or stability. Iraq was trillions for nothing except deposing a evil dictator. Most or you conservative support this spending because you are worried about Muslims taking over the world.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

When Bush came in in 2000, debt was just under $6 trillion. When Bush left in 2009, it was just under $10 trillion. Bush's debt contribution was ~$4 trillion.

Obama has added about another $4 trillion, but some of that, especially in 2009, was carry-over from Bush's corporate bailouts that Obama continued.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 7 months ago

The thing is that Obama had to continue. People don't realize the economic devistation that would be caused if he didn't. State budgets would crumble and chaos would ensue.

Clara Westphal 3 years, 7 months ago

It is too bad we don't have real leaders. It doesnt't make sense that they care so little about the rest of us.

camper 3 years, 7 months ago

Yes. The raise to the debt ceiling is to make it possible to pay the obligations we already owe. Since when does the United States not pay it's bills? The debt ceiling should never have been tied to the debt ceiling.

This is what should have happened: 1) Raise the debt ceiling without any debate. 2) Once #1 is accomplished, pass a budget, wher much debate should be allowed. Where tough decisions are made. This is where you make your cuts. This is where you try to balance the budget. This is where decisions are made to cut budgetary spending.

I'm surprised by the poll results thus far. I guess most of us are just busy doing what we got to do to pay the bills....not really knowing the difference between the budget and debt ceiling, or knowing the consequences a default would have accomplished.

jumpin_catfish 3 years, 7 months ago

The debt deal debacle, welcome to the bowel movement.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 7 months ago

Need to grab a bunch of farmers, sent them to Washington, and let them fix this mess. No more politicians. We need more regular common people up there who will take care of us. Not those that are totally in it for personal gain.

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