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Do you like having brick streets in Lawrence?

Response Percent Votes
Yes, keep all that we have
 
50% 530
No
 
35% 369
Yes, but they’re not worth the cost
 
12% 126
I don’t know
 
2% 22
Total 1047

Comments

irvan moore 3 years, 4 months ago

the brick street on the 2100 block of Vermont is the worst ever, they are not pavers and the street needs to be resurfaced, it is underlay brick that didn't get covered when they "fixed" the street.

rockchalker52 3 years, 4 months ago

No, nooo, no. don't believe i do. they ain't all that.

Dan Klamet 3 years, 4 months ago

The state of the brick paving is an embarrassment. ESPECIALLY the sidewalks, which are completely and utterly unusable if you are in a wheelchair/scooter. I work off of Mississippi and the paving is starting to degrade and show the brick underneath. Not exactly a great foundation for a road to last.

John Hamm 3 years, 4 months ago

Brick roads do last. They take less maintenance than asphalt - think about it a little bit. The asphalt is over the brick yet the brick is still drivable and providing a base for the asphalt which is more durable?

EarthaKitt 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes they need repair, just not as often. Sheesh.

RoeDapple 3 years, 4 months ago

Hitching posts and watering troughs downtown would be a nice touch.

bickpaul11 3 years, 4 months ago

Perhaps while we're at it, we can put swinging doors on the bars and remove the air conditioning.

rockchalker52 3 years, 4 months ago

bick, then we could open a joint that caters to cattle ranchers & exchange students; call it Cowboys & Aliens.

brutus 3 years, 4 months ago

I love them. I love the sound they make when the tires roll over it. They are like a built-in speed bump so no one speeds over them. Some of them need work but they are beautiful and last forever.

EarthaKitt 3 years, 4 months ago

Be sure you're not driving on my private street if I'm the one paying for upkeep.

gccs14r 3 years, 4 months ago

What part of brick being cheaper long-term don't you understand? Sure, asphalt is cheaper to lay than is brick, but then you're spending that asphalt money over and over again, whereas the brick goes down once and doesn't generally need to be touched again for decades. Also, if there is failure of the base or a need to work on pipes beneath the street, the bricks can be removed and set aside and relaid after the repair work is done, which reduces waste.

George_Braziller 3 years, 4 months ago

The brick streets in my hometown were put down about 1900 and they have never required any repairs. They were built to last. They were so well installed that after more than a century they still can handle semis and fully loaded wheat trucks.

EarthaKitt 3 years, 4 months ago

OWL did use some of its own money to restore two blocks of bricks a couple of years ago. They've not needed to have a pothole filled or a crack resealed yet!

EarthaKitt 3 years, 4 months ago

I take that back - my bad. The city contributed $134K and the rest of the project ($1 million for two blocks) was paid for by a KDOT grant. Apologies. However, the city will surely recoup its $134K investment by not having to maintain asphalt on those two blocks. Does anybody know how much it costs to overlay two blacks of asphalt and how often it needs to be done?

OWL was subsidizing brick sidewalk repair. Big difference. Again, sorry.

Cai 3 years, 4 months ago

The issue really ends up being moot, to me. We can't take care of our asphalt streets (see Arkansas Street between 9th and 10th for a really bad example if you don't believe me...)

We can't take care of our brick streets any better.

Yes, its a money thing. But where's the option for "I don't care, provided the road is well maintained?"

dogsandcats 3 years, 4 months ago

I answered "I don't know" because none of the other options fit. I would like them if they were well-maintained. They are not being maintained and, thus, I do not currently like them. I also do not like the shoddy job of spreading asphalt over the brick streets and allowing potholes to form and not filling them, or shoddily filling them so there are potholes again a short time later. In short, the streets in Lawrence suck.

Abdu Omar 3 years, 4 months ago

I drive the streets all day every day as I drive a bus. The streets in Lawrence have a lot to be desired and they put asphalt on West Clinton for no reason. We should prioritize our street repair and not do both ends of 6th street at the same time. Everywhere I drive, I have to take detours because a cement truck or a road crew is blocking the way. I take patients to the hospital and what a mess at 6th and Maine. Cars backed up for blocks on 6th street and our lovely students always turn where there is a 'no turn' sign. Why is that? You do know they are back!!!

akuna 3 years, 4 months ago

Here is a way to greatly reduce the cost of building and maintaining brick roads.

http://inhabitat.com/amazing-brick-machine-rolls-out-roads-like-carpet/

Kirk Larson 3 years, 4 months ago

That is cool, but it negates the purpose of a lot of brick streets. Back in the Depression, the WPA put a lot of people to work building brick streets.

gccs14r 3 years, 4 months ago

"This question really comes down to personal taste. Are brick streets practical? Not really-- properly maintained asphalt (sometimes a rarity in Lawrence) is obviously more practical and easier to maintain than brick."

How so? Asphalt needs all the roadbed prep that brick needs, then has to be laid with a special machine that heats and compacts the asphalt, then has to be rolled with a different special machine to finish compaction. Afterward, it has to have cracks sealed periodically to keep water at bay, and even then it's still subject to frequent warping, washout, and wear and has to be milled and overlaid every 7 years or so. After about four trips of mill and overlay, it has to be torn out and done all over again. With brick, after roadbed prep, the bricks are laid. If the roadbed fails, the bricks can be taken up in that spot, the roadbed repaired, and the bricks relaid. Regular maintenance is not required, and complete rebuilding is on a century interval. Bricks are the inexpensive option, but only if long-term maintenance is taken into account, something that is often left out of roadbuilding discussions. If you want roads to be even cheaper to own, use granite cobbles.

gccs14r 3 years, 4 months ago

Oh, asphalt is cheaper to put down, and goes down really fast. It's great for temporary paving, such as for construction detours. It just doesn't hold up. I do think the paving companies are more interested in selling asphalt paving, because they want the repeat business.

goodcountrypeople 3 years, 4 months ago

Brick paving can be nice in selected places as an accent, but it's easy to trip on, especially when upkeep is not the best.

gccs14r 3 years, 4 months ago

Or change the vehicle mix to 70% public (rail) transportation and 30% private, and make the private vehicles weigh 1500 pounds.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 4 months ago

Sweet jesus no. My sports car has an extremely tight suspension and it feels as if it is being vibrated apart. My weather car has a truck-like suspension and it's like riding ocean waves.

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