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Do you think city employees should get year-end longevity payments?

Response Percent Votes
No, city money can be spent in better ways.
 
43% 520
Yes, city employees work hard and should be rewarded.
 
32% 385
Yes, but only when the city has the money.
 
23% 285
Total 1190

Comments

kubacker 4 years, 1 month ago

They ought to be paying the city for providing them jobs in the jobless environment we have in this country.

Al Deathe 4 years, 1 month ago

Its not the employees fault that this city has chosen to fund the riderless bus system, voted for a unneeded library, bought a money pit of an industrial park just to name three. This city just keeps wasting money then has the gall to want to take money out of the mouths of their employees families. I can understand not giving city employees more right now but to take what is already theirs for many year years just because of this cities bad budgeting and irresponsible spending, there are other areas that can be cut that don't effect the purse strings of employees. Start there!

2002 4 years, 1 month ago

Why is it that so many people expect government employees to be productive and intelligent and then don't think they need to pay to get and keep people that are?

booyalab 4 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone expect government employees to be productive and intelligent? I sure don't.

2002 4 years, 1 month ago

OK, so if you don't expect government employees to be productive and intelligent then you will never complain about service or the way government works right? I mean, you expect them to be stupid and unproductive right?

I want government workers that are held to a high standard, that can be paid based on merit and quality. And yes, I want the good ones to stay around, so I am more than willing to pay taxes to give them a little bonus for longevity. I also want the crummy employees to be removed from their job.

booyalab 4 years, 1 month ago

I don't expect them to be productive and intelligent because 1. There is no incentive for them to be productive. and 2. I don't expect ANYONE to be intelligent.

Longevity-based bonuses is the definition of bureaucratic m-word that i would get in trouble for saying so i'll let you fill in the blanks.

2002 4 years, 1 month ago

OK, so if you don't expect government employees to be productive and intelligent then you will never complain about service or the way government works right? I mean, you expect them to be stupid and unproductive right?

I want government workers that are held to a high standard, that can be paid based on merit and quality. And yes, I want the good ones to stay around, so I am more than willing to pay taxes to give them a little bonus for longevity. I also want the crummy employees to be removed from their job.

2002 4 years, 1 month ago

OK, so if you don't expect government employees to be productive and intelligent then you will never complain about service or the way government works right? I mean, you expect them to be stupid and unproductive right?

I want government workers that are held to a high standard, that can be paid based on merit and quality. And yes, I want the good ones to stay around, so I am more than willing to pay taxes to give them a little bonus for longevity. I also want the crummy employees to be removed from their job.

bigdave 4 years, 1 month ago

I see your working hard on surfing the net! Or is that a city job?

stlcards515 4 years, 1 month ago

OH SNAP! But really, I think they deserve something, however bigdave has a good point.

geekyhost 4 years, 1 month ago

Apparently working as hard as you are in your private sector job. Or do you just mooch off public assistance for a living?

ivalueamerica 4 years, 1 month ago

It is common business sense. Most city employees make less than their non government counterparts and can leave for more money. One incentive they have is more benefits than the private sector. If the city does not take steps like this to reduce attrition, it would cost a hell of a lot more money to replace and retrain and operate with less skilled and less experienced employees. It is called INVESTMENT, not expenditures.

oldvet 4 years, 1 month ago

Your argument makes no business sense in today's reality... The city has very few job openings, those that show up are filled quickly and with the first round of applicants... they must not have very high turnover because there is not a long list of jobs opening up... and in that environment, you do not have to overpay to keep people. In a robust environment, one not currently enjoyed, you would have to do the extras to keep the best people... in these times, when the city is suffering from lowered revenues, this is totally uncalled for.

And pay for performance, not longevity... woodcutters get paid for how many cords they cut and stack, not how long they spend in the forest...

ivalueamerica 4 years, 1 month ago

the reality does not back up your theory, sorry oldvet.

somedude20 4 years, 1 month ago

I will not say no, but like most of us, (well the ones who work) I too am asked to take on other jobs that become part of my new job description of which I do not get paid for but I see that as keeping a job. Does not seem like the city is doing all that well now but who am I to say no to those poor hungry city workers (they have to feed the monkey). If someone can retime the lights going up and down 9th street (so that you do not get stuck at every single one) or fixing the giant holes in the roads, I will throw in an extra $7.00

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 1 month ago

Some businesses that are in a lucrative enough their markets pay bonuses (like Wall Street firms and banks) to their employees based on productivity.Other businesses do not have a clue as to who is productive and who is not and pay a blanket bonus. Some businesses treat their employees like mushrooms. Keep them in the dark and throw (correct basic term for animal feritlizer not used to avoid removal) at them. We have an inordinate amount of the latter in Lawrence who operate marginally with their tax breaks.

City government is a bit different where there are plenty of employees who's productivity is infanthomable or indistinct, therefore invalidating the "prodictivity" metric. But the one thing that most businesses must have in order to offer any sort of extra pay is profitability. The city is not in the profit making business, just the business of raising taxes to pay for those whose usefulness is very problematic and suspect. Hence they choose the "longevity" route where it is difficult to argue with the amount of time a person is employed, not just how useful or productive that employee might be to city business. And given past experience, and given our non-functioning city commission members, I do not expect anything to ever change.

booyalab 4 years, 1 month ago

How about longevity pothole repair. Each city worker gets one pothole repaired for every year they've worked there. They've worked hard, they deserve better streets.

sickofdummies 4 years, 1 month ago

We are in a recession. Many businesses are barely managing to stay open, let alone pay their employees a bonus this year. Why should city employees be exempt from this situation. I know plenty of people who would gladly work those jobs without a bonus. Also, is it fair to use tax-payer money (the same ones who are struggling) to give city employees payment that is not negotiated in their wage?

Triton21 4 years, 1 month ago

Since when did the City goverment become a for profit entity? The only bounses that should be administered are lowering the taxes for the people. Bonus payments are generally for high performing type jobs. I'm not saying the city doesn't fit this model but when our taxes keep going up I find it hard to support this initative. Mabey they should have used this money to invest in the Library versus us paying for it.

jayhawks911 4 years, 1 month ago

It is a principal than has been agreed to in negotiated contract for decades. Yes, it is a part of the employee pay package. If it the seniority pay isn't issued it will be a breach of good faith between the city and it's public safety officers.

xclusive85 4 years, 1 month ago

What public safety officers are you referring to? The police and fire departments are not included in this payment. Also, why shouldn't they start to negotiate in the contracts a merit based raise or bonus? That makes the most sense. Reward those that do a lot of good work over those that do almost nothing? Maybe it would motivate the employees to be doing the best job they can do instead of just enough to get by without losing their job.

ravenjayhawk 4 years, 1 month ago

Great, but taxes on property and sales should better not raise if the city has that kind of money.

Matthew Del Vecchio 4 years, 1 month ago

Splitting the yes votes with what I perceive to be a rhetorical question makes your graph misleading.

geekyhost 4 years, 1 month ago

It's almost as if this paper has some sort of conservative bias.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 1 month ago

It has already been announced that property taxes will go up this year (again). The notice of the mill levy increase was announced in this newspaper a few weeks ago.

Tax bills are due to be sent then end of this month. Last year, they wanted their money by December 21.

Great scheduling!!

I am holding my breath.

kernal 4 years, 1 month ago

I never heard of "Longevity Pay" until LJW brought it up the past few days. Is staying at a job longer than ten years so rare now, that we think it needs to be rewarded? Merit pay raises, or a year end bonus because the employee's job performance exceeded requirements, etc., then yes, as long as the business can afford it. But just for staying on the job, no way! Then you'd have people just sliding by and hanging out on LJW and fb while at work. Nope.

jumpin_catfish 4 years, 1 month ago

Should be based on outstanding performance only

canusayduh 4 years, 1 month ago

What about all of us other workers, such as KU, who haven't gotten raises at all for the last 2 years? I don't say just no, but HELL NO!! What's fair is fair. City workers knew what they were taking on when the began employment there.

Al Deathe 4 years, 1 month ago

So if you didn't get a raise then nobody should that makes sense.

farva 4 years, 1 month ago

Non-Higher Ed state workers haven't received a raise in 4 years, we've had one 1% cost of living increase during that time. I think one 2.5% pay raise in the last decade actually. Would be nice, since KU take so much state money, that they would be held to the same standards as any other public state employee. Many state agencies are not even run with state tax money, it's user fee based, and they are held to the same standard as other state agencies run of tax dollars...so if KU and the universities are exempt, why not those other agenices too? I have many friends in the private sector who have still gotten COLA and pay raises annually, albeit smaller than normal.

Topknot1 4 years, 1 month ago

I feel that if not for the good employees of the city; that work so very hard, our city would suffer. That said though, the question put to the public is" are the city workers entitled to a bonus for years worked." My feeling is a flat NO! Not now. Our city can't afford it's debt to need ratio as it is right now. Soon, and mark my words; Lawrence city chauffeurs will be empty and furloughs, or cuts, a increase to taxation will follow. Maybe if the city made changes to it's policy on hiring. Some noted examples would be, those employees that are not degreed, but in a place of management' only to have some sort of mediocre class completion to fulfill their job description should be designated to complete at least a minimum required Business Management degree. City vehicle usage should be only while on city business and kept at the cities garage. Who wouldn't like to have the perk of using someone's car to drive back and forth to work, or go to lunch. Some employees make a income of $6000.00+ per month with no real formal schooling beyond high school. Let the city garden property grow for 6 months There are civic groups that can help, Boy Scouts, Girls Scouts,College Groups just to name few.Civic pride can grow and go a long way. I have many feelings on these issues. Maybe folks can tweet to gather friends to take care of a park or a street.

Best Regards to all. T

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