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Do you support the U.S. military using force against pirates?

Response Percent Votes
Yes
 
93% 824
No
 
3% 33
Not sure
 
2% 23
Total 880

Comments

thefez 5 years ago

It is well within a modern navy's means to prevent these pirates from leaving shore - drones, helicopter patrols, ships off coast, etc. Many boats leaving Puntland are legitimate fishing boats along with the pirates. If a patrolling nation, France, USA, etc. simply said that NO boats would leave the coast until the piracy ends, I expect there would be some pretty spirited discussions along the coast - fishing without piracy or total blockade: piracy or food to eat. It would take some effort. It would probably work.

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Danimal 5 years ago

I vote to kill them all, it's what the Law of the Sea requires.

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logicsound04 5 years ago

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if bearded_gnome voted "no" himself so that he could have a target for his anti-liberal rage.

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bearded_gnome 5 years ago

as to who voted "no" on the question, the propiriate position: Bozo-on-the-wrong-bus; Merrill; and maybe their families.

and remember, we're ultimately to blame for piracy. and also piracy is a totally valid political expression. all courtesy of the liberal Huffingtonpost.

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bearded_gnome 5 years ago

however, there's indication that Obama dilly-dallied risking the captain's life when it could have been resolved this way a couple of days sooner.


Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

You know you're a complete waste of human flesh when even the dolphins can and will stop you.

beijing, April 14 (Xinhuanet) — Thousands of dolphins blocked the suspected Somali pirate ships when they were trying to attack Chinese merchant ships passing the Gulf of Aden, the China Radio International reported on Monday.

wow, then it must be true, did you find that at the wire service called the Dissociated Press?

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Pywacket 5 years ago

Bea is right--and how refreshing it is that Obama, despite this actual victory, is not strutting around acting like he personally fired the sniper shots.

Every day in every way.... our country seems like a much better, more positive, more hopeful place than it was the past 8 years.

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beatrice 5 years ago

Jumpin_c, don't you hate it when your put downs don't actually apply to the situation.

Obama's first show of force: Mission Accomplished! (and we really mean it this time! Yippee!)

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jumpin_catfish 5 years ago

No, force is so George W. Bush. The military should send flowers and chocolates and have a talking circle. Everyone shares, everyone cares.

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Liberty_One 5 years ago

Sigmund, sure, but you know that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about having troops in 130 countries around the world and spending ridiculous amounts of money. Is that for defense or something else?

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Daniel Speicher 5 years ago

Man... Gonna have to quit downloading illegally, I guess. I mean, really... A $3000 fine is one thing... But, I can't have the military coming after me... These intellectual property laws are getting out of hand!

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compmd 5 years ago

gl0ck0wn3r said: "A 9mm round is more than up to the task. “Stopping power” when debating calibers is largely a theoretical debate held by old men in gun shops. I'll take a 9mm over 95% of the idiots at the range firing calibers with more “stopping power” and I'll happily bet my abilities against theirs."

I couldn't have said it better myself. I always chuckle when I see people at the range blasting away with their $1000 .45ACP 1911 knockoffs. It really annoys them when they see me picking off cans from 50 yards out with my $200 WW2 era 7.62x25mm Tula Tokarev. Also, "stopping power" is irrelevant if your gun doesn't go bang. A brand new Beretta PX4 .40SW I borrowed jammed 3 out of 50 rounds on me, whereas my Tokarev has never failed. I'll take reliability and my skills over a larger caliber any day.

In theory, a bomb has more stopping power than a bullet, right? I've heard stories about soldiers from Iraq that aren't as afraid of roadside bombs as they are lone, quality shooters with a 60 year old SKS.

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Sigmund 5 years ago

Liberty_One (Anonymous) says… "I don't think we need to spend so much money on the Navy where one carrier costs as much as other countries' entire naval force.That's the people's money being used to not to protect our country but to apply force to others."

Sometimes applying force to others is protecting our country. The purposes of Navies and Armies is to kill people and break things. This is not something you want to attempt on a budget or with the lowest cost bid.

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beatrice 5 years ago

Lib_One, that was our Navy protecting and saving an American captain of a boat delivering food aid to Rwanda, Uganda, and Somalia. They did exactly what they should have done.

Well done Navy, well done!

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Liberty_One 5 years ago

Simply have Congress issue letters of marque and reprisal so that the ships will have legal rights to use deadly force to stop the attacks. And yes, I don't think we need to spend so much money on the Navy where one carrier costs as much as other countries' entire naval force. That's the people's money being used to not to protect our country but to apply force to others.

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Sigmund 5 years ago

ArumerZwarteHoop (Anonymous) says… "but we can prevent an invasion by sea with tactical nukes much more effectively than with a large naval force."

Invasion by sea? Tactical nukes? I doubt the EPA will ever let you use a nuke and I think you are missing the whole invasion by land. Still if you wanted to nuke someone I suggest you start filling out the paperwork now. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1170064/Whats-nice-girl-like-doing-arsenal-like-Police-seize-20-year-old-guarding-vast-weapons-cache--including-anti-aircraft-gun.html

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ArumerZwarteHoop 5 years ago

I am no expert, but isn’t naval superiority not what it use to be? especially when fighting other states? We do need some air craft carriers, but we can prevent an invasion by sea with tactical nukes much more effectively than with a large naval force.

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logicsound04 5 years ago

jaywalker,

I think you will find that Liberty would be quite happy with a major scale-back of the size of our military.

Our military is built to function as world police. If we didn't place ourselves in that position so often, we would be able to reduce our military budget by a large margin.

And honestly, this is one area I kind of agree with him on--at least, in terms of scaling-back our military presence and involvement in the rest of the world.

I do, however, think that defending U.S. citizens from pirate attacks is a reasonable use of our military. There is something to be said for protecting our ability to ship overseas and sending a message that anyone who attaks U.S. boats will be met with swift and uncompromising justice.

Sending a message to protect our ability to ship overseas is quite different from sending a message that we will rescue every idiot American who goes to a dangerous part of the world and gets captured by terrorists. One is protecting our collective commercial interests--the other is protecting the notion that Americans can go anywhere and do anything they want without consequence.

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Sigmund 5 years ago

You know you're a complete waste of human flesh when even the dolphins can and will stop you.

BEIJING, April 14 (Xinhuanet) -- Thousands of dolphins blocked the suspected Somali pirate ships when they were trying to attack Chinese merchant ships passing the Gulf of Aden, the China Radio International reported on Monday.

The Chinese merchant ships escorted by a China's fleet sailed on the Gulf of Aden when they met some suspected pirate ships. Thousands of dolphins suddenly leaped out of water between pirates and merchants when the pirate ships headed for the China's.

The suspected pirates ships stopped and then turned away. The pirates could only lament their littleness befor the vast number of dolphins. The spectacular scene continued for a while.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/14/content_11184581.htm

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jaywalker 5 years ago

Yes.

Liberty_one:

Surprised to see you take the 'isolationist' route. Not much point having the world's best navy if they're only patrolling the Outer Banks, the Keys, and the Golden Gate, is there?

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bobberboy 5 years ago

Only a moron would vote no. Or someone that's rotted their brain away with drugs.

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gl0ck0wn3r 5 years ago

"labmonkey (Anonymous) says… You don't think an M2 would do wonders against a speed boat? Also, 10mm handguns have much more stopping power than a 9mm (the only reason I own a 9mm is the ammo is much cheaper…and I really don't plan on shooting anyone)."

It is a question of bring adequate firepower to the party. A M82A1 might be super duper cool, but is it required to do the job? No. A Winchester Model 70 would be more than equal to the task if the idea is to simply stop the boat. One doesn't need to stop the engine to stop the boat particularly when dealing with low-skill bullies. Similarly, there are very few people who are comfortable with a 10mm round. Why bother? A 9mm round is more than up to the task. "Stopping power" when debating calibers is largely a theoretical debate held by old men in gun shops. I'll take a 9mm over 95% of the idiots at the range firing calibers with more "stopping power" and I'll happily bet my abilities against theirs.

Further, one's set of choices is heavily restricted by the amount of training a crew would realistically get on any weapon system. An average US military person fires their personal weapons in training on average under four times a year. It is unrealistic to suggest a Taiwanese sailor should be expected to do more.

A better choice is outsourced security to companies like MPRI.

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NavyVet 5 years ago

Irish's comment re: the pirates having lives we can't imagine amuses. if the pirates are so poor, how did they get the means to motor out over 300 miles from shore? they're not poor. they're well armed and well financed. poor people who have terrible lives do not have the smarts or 'stuff' to board major vessels and extort millions of dollars. terrorists do. And if the Somali people believed they needed government, there would be an effective, functioning one. Or at least some semblance of one.

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labmonkey 5 years ago

Glockowner-

I am also a glock owner and I do shoot every now and then.

You don't think an M2 would do wonders against a speed boat? Also, 10mm handguns have much more stopping power than a 9mm (the only reason I own a 9mm is the ammo is much cheaper...and I really don't plan on shooting anyone).

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ArumerZwarteHoop 5 years ago

Or hot oil, we could go old school on them and use some middle ages anti-siege technology.

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Flap Doodle 5 years ago

Heaving bowling balls over the rail when the pirates pull alongside would be better than doing nothing.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 5 years ago

I’d say a mini gun would be effective against an unarmored vessel.

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gl0ck0wn3r 5 years ago

"labmonkey (Anonymous) says… Arm the merchant ships. A .50 caliber will do nicely against a speed boat. Arm crew members with 10mm glocks."

You don't shoot much, do you? Bigger =/= better.

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Liberty_One 5 years ago

natas, so if I do something stupid like trying to go sightseeing in a war zone, and I get captured, you are OK with the government forcing you to pay for my rescue? Not that I don't appreciate the offer, but the feeling isn't mutual.

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madmike 5 years ago

Irish is another gooney-goo-goo leftist woman that lives in the space bubble of Larryville.

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natas 5 years ago

I say if it involves US citizens that OUR military should be the ones intervening. (put the snipers to work)

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Flap Doodle 5 years ago

It's good target practice.

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Liberty_One 5 years ago

We shouldn't use our Navy to other than to protect our shores. Let the owners of these boats pay for the protection of them. Or stop going through pirate waters!

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farfle 5 years ago

These pirates are doing the USA a big favor. This is something actually beneficial that our military can do.

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Pywacket 5 years ago

Kill 'em all.

If ever there was a justification for lethal force--by TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, this is it.

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labmonkey 5 years ago

Arm the merchant ships. A .50 caliber will do nicely against a speed boat. Arm crew members with 10mm glocks.

Yes babboy. My punk ass questions the people who said no.

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XD40 5 years ago

Moral equivalency for pirates? Irish tell me you're writing satire.

There is no government in Somalia because of Islamic tribalism and fueding Islamic warlords.

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MyName 5 years ago

Who the hell voted no?

Hello? Doncha know about the small pirate community in Lawrence! Take them and their pro-pirate sympathizers and you've got a voting minority!

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Leslie Swearingen 5 years ago

The posters on here have no idea what they are talking about. These pirates live lives that you cannot even begin to imagine. It is not about not being held or being spanked. It is about starving and watching your family starve and die from horrible diseases. Does that give them the right to break the law? No. Does it make for extenuating circumstances? Yes. There are consequences for actions however desperate the person may be and holding a gun to someones head is a sure way to get attention-in the wrong way. Why is there no government in Somalia?

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BrianR 5 years ago

Of course. ABC is reporting that pirates just seized four more ships. This is an international problem and I hope there is an international response.

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madmike 5 years ago

Babboy calling someone else a punk. That is ironic!

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logicsound04 5 years ago

If pirates arrrrre going to attack our ships, then I see no problem with using our force of arrrrrrrrms.

We should feed them to the sharrrrrrrks.

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XD40 5 years ago

Destroy their bases of operation; sink their boats; hang any you capture alive.

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CLARKKENT 5 years ago

not only yes, but hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!

isn't that what you are doing babboy????????

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parrotuya 5 years ago

Even this Progressive g-- a-- Liberal supports killing them all so it wasn't me. HOO-YAH to the Navy SEALS!

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BABBOY 5 years ago

I did not vote no. But, who the hell are you labmonkey to question someone's opinion in such a piss poor mannor, punk.....

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Practicality 5 years ago

This pirate problem has gotten out of hand. Send a Naval fleet over there for awhile to patrol and the next attack on shipping vessels by pirates start a two day bombing campaign on coastal cities.

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autie 5 years ago

Aarrgghh! Blast them scurvy dogs out of the water! Let'em dangle from the yardarms!

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teacher101 5 years ago

The US military murdered those pirates! The pirates are just misunderstood. They were not held as a child. They were forced to clean their room. It is not their fault.

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Tony Kisner 5 years ago

I think a lot of pirates read the LJWorld, at least 5 and counting.

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tempting_butnothanks 5 years ago

ya, we need to hit that port with some seal teams and take out a few of these pirates where they sleep. Nothing deters crime like being waken up and shot in the head.

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grammaddy 5 years ago

Maybe they're afraid of giving this President too much power like they did the last one.

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Chris Ogle 5 years ago

Hey lab, we must have pirates here too.

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labmonkey 5 years ago

Who the hell voted no?

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