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Beyond diplomacy, should the United States get involved in the Russia- Georgia conflict?

Response Percent Votes
No.
 
75% 493
Yes.
 
18% 121
Not sure.
 
5% 37
Total 651

Comments

gccs14r 6 years, 8 months ago

"On the other hand, the United States has about 2,900,000 available (1,428,000 active and 1,459,000 reserve) for combat."You really think all 2.9 million are combat troops? The last figure I saw was about 1.8 combat brigades stateside for every brigade deployed to Iraq. That means that we have maybe 250,000 combat troops that can be deployed to a new conflict. The Russians would chew them up in an afternoon.

Daytrader23 6 years, 8 months ago

Get involved in Georgia? No. However if Russia goes into Ukraine then yes. This would be an invasion not self defense and it is the duty of America to defend democracy. I don't agree with Iraq but I would agree with defending Ukraine and all democratic eastern European countries. Holy Crap! This sounds like the prelude to WWIII. Oil is about to skyrocket to $200 per barrel if this happens.Russia focuses attention on Ukraine(this article will appear next week in LJW) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=avnpoINDzcPU

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

it's good to see that the vast majority of people responding understand that it would be best for the American people if we keep out of that mess...but... a better question might have been:How involved do you think the U.S. is in the Russia-Georgian conflict?Not involved at all.Just a little bit involved.More involved than the government wants us to know.The U.S. is up to it's eyeballs in it.

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound....you are confused on this one. S. Ossentia is certainly Not a province of Georgia. In fact they broke away from Georgia in 1992 and consider themselves a province of Russia. Perhaps more importantly, when the Georgians first attacked S. Ossentia they not only killed civilians but also Russian peacekeepers.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

Who wants to enlist and go become involved in killing other people?

sourpuss 6 years, 8 months ago

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

woodenfleaeater 6 years, 8 months ago

Of course....how else can we take over the world and teach everyone The Bible?

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound04 so... you must be talking about serious sanctions against Georgia for moving their military into South Ossetia and killing dozens of Russian peacekeepers and a couple thousand Ossetian civilians...right?

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

Actually I just heard reports that Russian tanks are now moving further into Georgia. That is occording to the Georgian Premiere, so take it for what you will.

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

South Ossetia has been de facto independent for over a decade... (surely if Georgia has a right to be independent of Russia, South Ossetia has a right to be independent of Georgia)Russia has made no move to "annex" South Ossetia...Russian peacekeeping troops have been in South Ossetia for a number of years as part of a peace agreement which Georgia had signed onto...Georgia took aggressive military action into South Ossetia...Georgia bombed a Russian outpost and killed dozen of Russian peacekeeping soldiers...The Georgian military singled out ethic Russian separatists, who hold Russian citizenship in South Ossetia and killed an estimated 2,000 of them... thousands more were forced to flee to the north:this all happened before Russia took any aggressive military action against Georgia...Georgia's whack job president screwed up big-time... and now he is whining because "the West" (meaning the US) won't bail him out... he even criticized McCain for only talking support with his, "I know I speak for all Americans when I say were all Georgians today"I actually think it's funny as hell that Saakashvili threw that back in his face... because McCain sure as to hell wasn't speaking for me...and wouldn't ever try and make Russia out to be the "good guys":this isn't about good guys and bad guys: it's about actions and consequences:Saakashvili made his bed and now he has to lay in it:I can't imagine that the Georgian people are going to be please with him when this is all over:

nobody1793 6 years, 8 months ago

"Can you imagine if Texas declared their independence from the U.S. in a nationwide referendum, then when we sent the coast guard to get their fighters under control, Mexico sent in troops to assist Texas?"I've been saying for years that we should get rid of Texas. Let's nuke them too!

dweezil222 6 years, 8 months ago

We have far more business defending an ally like Georgia than we had invading Iraq.

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

Russia TodayAugust 13, 2008"The United States has been providing military and technical support to independent Georgia for almost 15 years. During this period, the overall amount of annual aid from Washington has increased by more than several hundred times, and reached its peak in the financial year till 2006.It has meant that Georgia's army was well prepared for an attack on South Ossetia. RT offers a brief history of the preparation by the Georgian armed forces for the war.¢ 1994: Georgia received $63,000 under the programme of the International Military Education and Training (IMET).¢ 1995: Georgia received $85,000 under IMET.¢ 1996: Georgia received $302,000 under IMET. It purchased American military equipment for $66.000. Total: $368,000.¢ 1997: Georgia received $312,000 under IMET. It purchased American military equipment for $66,000. It received $700,000 under the programme of the Foreign Military Financing (FMF). Total: $1,068,000.¢ 1998: Georgia received $416,000 under IMET. It received $5,350,000 under EMF. Total: $5,766,000.¢ 1999: Georgia received $394,000 under IMET. It received $7,950,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $19,000. It received $9,227,040 under the programme of Additional Defense Expenses (ADE). Total: $17,590,040.¢ 2000: Georgia received $409,000 under IMET. It received $3,000,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $3,949,000. It received $575,000 under ADE. Total: $7,933,000.¢ 2001: Georgia received $481,000 under IMET. It received $4,490,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $5,171,000. It received $575,000 under ADE. Total: $10,717,000.¢ 2002: Georgia received $889,000 under IMET. It received $55,500,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $3,647,000. Total: $60,036,000.

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

¢ 29th April 2002: Pentagon announced the beginning of the Programme of Preparation and Equipment for Georgia (PPEG). The programme was implemented upon Georgia's request for assistance in order to enhance its abilities to fight against terrorism, in the Pankisi Gorge in particular. The program was planned for 18-20 months. It included special seminars and training as well as supplies of light armaments and other military equipment for the Georgian army. Total budget of the programme was $64,000,000. Also, at least 150 American military experts were sent to Georgia. The Programme of Border Security and Law enforcement, with a budget of $3,200,000, was implemented at the same time.¢ 2003: Georgia received $1,184,000 under IMET. It received $6,900,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $9,825,000. It received $4,525,054 under ADE. Total: $22,434,054.¢ 2004: Georgia received $1,040,000 under IMET. It received $12,000,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $7,405,000. It received $2,786,257 under ADE. Total: $23,231,257.¢ April 2004: Programme of Preparation and Equipment for Georgia was formally completed. The programme of operation for stabilisation and reinforcement began. It was formally intended for the preparation of Georgian armed forces to be sent to Iraq. The first stage of the program was planned for 18-20 months with a budget of approximately $60,000,000.¢ 2005: Georgia received $1,413,000 under IMET. It received $11,904,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $32,044,000. Total: $45,361,000.¢ 2006: Georgia received $1,275,000 under IMET. It received $11,880,000 under FMF. It purchased American for $106,714,000. Total: $119,869,000.¢ 2007: Georgia received $1,235,000 under IMET. It received $10,000,000 under FMF. It purchased American arms for $10,876,000. Total: $22,102,000.¢ September 2007: Beginning of the second stage of the programme of operation for stabilisation and reinforcement.¢ 2008: $800,000 was allocated to Georgia under IMET. $10,000,000 was allocated under FMF. $9,319,000 was allocated for purchase of American arms. Total: $20,119,000."

acg 6 years, 8 months ago

woodenfleaeater, that was awesome. Made me laugh out loud. And so true!

hail2oldku 6 years, 8 months ago

Georgia no, but if they cross over into Florida..................:-)

ronwell_dobbs 6 years, 8 months ago

"Can you imagine if Texas declared their independence from the U.S. in a nationwide referendum, then when we sent the coast guard to get their fighters under control, Mexico sent in troops to assist Texas?"Excellent news. Let's have Texas declare independence. We'll take back our nukes, let 'em have the land. Then we'll declare war on them and grind them back to red dust. I could think of nothing better to propel our nation forward.

dweezil222 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says: Its seems that the answer to the question of WHY S. Ossetia is regarded as a band of resistance fighters while Georgia is given legitimate sovereign nation status is an important one. I would think that there is a reason behind it.=======================================A country has a right to try to maintain the integrity of its own territory. I dare say a lot of Americans, even some of the more liberal who push national sovereignty, would be relatively pissed if the Sioux suddenly decided they were going to turn their corner of South Dakota into a completely sovereign and independent country.

cdcass 6 years, 8 months ago

Larger scale and closer look at not only why the US needs to stay out of this combat in Georgia, but what the US possibly faces if they do take the leap (which they cannot); About two or three years ago, Time Magazine reported China and Russia had paid Iran three billion (I believe that was the amount), to produce nuclear energy for China and Russia. The US threw an absolute fit because that interfered with the US plans on getting their oil lines (after the under water lines failed and they lost a whole lot of money - namely Haliburton), to reach Delhi, India. For us to accomplish this fete we would need to not only begin the scheme in Iraq, through Iran, then Pakistan, where the border terrorists were and are still active. Now that we have nearly accomplished the first stage, through Iraq - we are selling them nearly nine billion in military weapons, that even includes rocket launchers, helicopters, you name it. Remember the deal with India on the nuclear technology provided to them by the Bush administration? China, Russia and Iran represent a pact, a huge threat to the US; so the US has now, Iraq (with all nine military bases) protecting the pipelines that lead to? IRAN. We have on our side, along with Iraq, India and Israel. I am not sure where the Saudi's fit into this, but they were in the US prior to the bombing in Iraq and were told of our strike on Iraq before the American's were told! Daniel Pearl, remember him? Wrote some very interesting articles on this pipeline plan before his sad story was made for a sideshow and unfortunately ended in a tragedy. Even Pearl's friend knew he was onto a major story before he was murdered. He got too close to the truth and some people?? didn't like it. How nice does this all fit together. And what about Osama Bin Laden, conveniently, being protected by a very rogue place, Pakistan, how does that happen if Musharraf is truly our pal whom we have given billions of dollars to.

blessed3x 6 years, 8 months ago

I think 18 or 20 UN resolutions are in order. They work. Don't they?

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

John McCain, taking full partisan advantage of the Georgia/Russia dispute, published an editorial in the WSJ and meddled in international matters today in order to better his election odds. I wonder whether the "liberal" mainstream media will be commenting on the matter and noting how presumptuous McCain is acting. After stating yesterday that the Georgian crisis should not be used to score political points he has dispatched those Phil Gramm and Joe Lieberman to the region. Lord knows what they will contribute to the resolution of the dispute. Further, the media reports that McCain has been making several calls a day to Georgian President Saakkashvilli. And still the media does not comment on McCain's breathless desire to return the world to the cold war paradise he understands and can manipulate. We've seen this media laziness previously, unfortunately, and 4,000 plus US soldiers and countless thousands and thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead as a result of foolhardy US policy. Here we go again.,,,,and on the eve of the election. I am shocked....shocked, I say.

dweezil222 6 years, 8 months ago

Das_Ubermime (Anonymous) says: Logicsound,I understand your position via your 12:12 post and I agree with your reasoning even if I am not convinced of the conclusions (perhaps a stronger word than I intended: perhaps postulations?) you have taken from that reasoning.I do not agree with the territorial integrity argument. If such were the case, why would the international community recognize Eritrea or Bangladesh? Further, even framing this conversation in the context of territorial integrity is to implicitly take Georgia's side on the matter. If one were to view it from the side of South Ossetia, this is a question which has it's roots before Georgia was even a country to have had territory. One of the links you referenced yourself talked of disputes and attempts for separation from Georgia back when Georgia was still a Soviet state. It is a question of why South Ossetia did not get a voice in determining which country they would belong to.===================================Your history is a little flawed. Prior to the Soviet era, Georgia, with boundaries resembling the modern ones, existed as a sovereign nation for over 900 years.

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