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It's no surprise that (so far) the votes seem to go to President Obama. Those who regularly visit this site are predominately left leaning. Odd though, that even Bill Maher tweeted that Romney won the debate. Guess I'm not surprised at the vote here so far.
Romney didn't win squat. You don't "win" debates on the basis of lies.
Then Obama has no chance.
Bit of the old "sour grapes", cait?
Even the"fact checkers" said that they both lied pretty evenly.
It worked for Obama in 2008. He failed at everything he promised.
First he invented the internet, then global warming... and then established that changes in altitude cause candidates to do really bad in debates.
Is there nothing the great and almighty algore cannot make weak-minded people believe?
the president didn't show up, was unprepared, showed no emotion and just looked like he didn't want to be there, it wasn't pretty
As he has been since he took office
Romney was rude, arrogant and still telling the same lies. Lehrer was weak, wouldn't call him on speaking past time or over the President and it was obvious Obama didn't want to be there.Can you blame him,it was his 20th Wedding Anniversary.
And I bet Grandpa Joe rips Lyin Ryan a new one next week!!
With all due respect, you are so delusional. For the record, I think they both did fine. But I think PAUL Ryan will eat Joe Biden's lunch. Not really sure why Obama stuck with him...he is a liability.
Biden will probably lose his composure and try to bite off Ryan's ear.
Too funny. Ryan is articulate and has command of the details. Joe can't get through a single interview without saying something dumb. I can't wait. Let's pop some popcorn and watch the fun.
20th wedding anniversaries are for getting drunk and regretting your life, not for being talked down to by a Mormon.
This is the greatest post ever. Period.
All the news sources said that Obama had four minutes more talk time than Mitt.so that kind of fails.
WAS THAT A DEBATE ? THERE WAS NOTHING TO WIN OR LOOSE.
Nice Black Oak reference
"WAS THAT A DEBATE ?"
Not really. It was more like an assault.
talking over or railroading past the mediator certainly made me question if this is a man who can handle proper negotiating skills with foreign and domestic policies.
"As usual, nothing to add to the discussion. But when you have nothing to add to society you are better off watching cartoons."
You should preface your comment with the heading: "My Mission Statement". That way an uninitiated observer will properly categorize your posts.
Maybe Obama thought he was talking to Clint's chair.Obviously he wasn't.
No one won. Romney was an attack dog whose barking lies were far worse than his factual bite. You don't "win" a debate on lies. (Fact checkers are having a hayday this morning.) Obama was just....there. Lehrer should have his butt kicked and never be allowed to moderate a debate again. The only real good that came out of this debate was that Romney was given enough rope to hang himself.
If you look at the fact checking, both of them misrepresented things.
I find it very disappointing - if Obama and D would just tell the truth, I'd have a much easier time more strongly supporting them. As it is, I find them just a bit better, but not enough to get excited about.
When Gergen says "Romney was flat out lying" you better listen.
Emulating your star, Mitt Romney, consumer? You're bark is just as toothless as his. Go piddle in the neighbor's yard.
And the fact checkers are having as much fun with the President's lies. I thought it was a great debate between two candidates and one of them Presidential, in command of the stage, the facts and hopefully the future direction of this country. The fact that the current Commander-in-Chief needed a lowly reporter to bail him out is laughably weeeeak!
We all lose because these are the best that this country appears to offer. Gary Johnson had a nice commentary alongside the debate; too bad he was denied access to the stage.
The electorate that matters? The media? The Republican heads who don't want to give up power? The general public has no idea who he is because he's been marginalized by the idiots that control everything.
Either way, most Americans lose.
"By the way, to show how stupid polls are, I picked Obama and did not even watch the debate."
Yup, "polls are stupid" because they don't allow for jackasses or the dishonest.
"I didn't watch because it will not change my -- or anyone's mind one way or the other."
Nope. Never does. Had no effect on Lincoln. JFK vs. Nixon? Meant nada. Bush/Clinton/Perot? Didn't move the meter. "Debates are stoopid" 'cuz we should all just gobble the McNuggets and continue griping about how bad the food is...
"So, I watched Scobby Doo with my two kids and the world was a much safer place for it..."
...and we should denounce them while alluding that one might get so angry as to cause harm. Excellent.
Romney undoubtedly won the debate last night, but I'd contend that he should have; which man had more time to prepare? One's the President of the United States, the other's just campaigning. I'd say only one had a schedule that included 5 twenty hour days for each of the last two weeks.
My guess is that this going to be Romney's strongest stage and that things will even out considerably in the next two. I haven't read the fact checker reviews yet, but if he pulled a Ryan-esque play w/ the truth Romney will certainly be facing a double-barrel Obama next time out.
Is that right? So you can speak definitively on how the President spent his time, huh?
and you can?
Yes, just like I did. "The President is busy." Is that something you'd like to debate? Pretending one know's the Prez wasn't prepared because he was too busy doing talk shows is eminently debatable.
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Or too stupid to care.
What lies about Romney exactly, please?
Just face it, OBUMMER lost!
He stumbled and bumbled his way thought it just like his first 4 years!
WHAT A LOSER!
Is that right? So you can speak definitively on how the President spent his time, huh?
October 4, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
You seem to think you can.
I'd guess the President may well have been preoccupied with the Libyan investigation and Turkey firing on Syria, or it could have been dyspepsia, but none of us can know right now what's going on behind the scenes. He looked drawn and distracted. What bothered me most was hearing Romney refer to the President of the United States as a lying boy and not have that gambit flame up in Romney's face.
let me fix this for you...I'd guess the President might well have been preoccupied with figuring out out to cover up the details of the Libyan investigation and writing up what he wants the MSM to report.
Only in regards to being moderately busy running the country or dealing with any of the myriad foreign policy nightmares sunflower alludes to, i.e. 20 hour days. I'm confident my generalization concerning how busy our President routinely is doesn't stand up to claiming he didn't spend time preparing because he was doing talk shows. If you can't see the difference, that's a "you" problem.
At any rate, it was just an observation. I'm bettin' I'm right, and we'll see for sure at the next debate.
What debate did you watch?. The one I saw had Robme acting childish, whining about whose turn it was, and repeating the same lies the fact checkers debunked weeks ago. Definitely YOUR kind of guy, though.
What bothered me most was hearing Romney refer to the President of the United States as a lying boy and not have that gambit flame up in Romney's face.
October 4, 2012 at 9:10 a.m
The vast majority of the time the word "boy" means exactly that. A boy. An adolescent male. Quit race baiting. Although I'm sure Pitts will make a big to do about it in his next oppression piece.
Yes, exactly. Referring to a full grown man, the President of the United States mind you, as an adolescent male is precisely what I am objecting to here. I am not race baiting, although using "boy" referring to a black man is an intentional act and hardly inadvertent. I object to the insolence and disrespect of calling the U.S. President a boy, regardless of his race. If Romney's intention was to call Obama a liar, then do that. But to call him a lying boy in a carefully prepared phrase (as the father of five boys, I am used to being told what isn't true...) was emphatically intended to diminish and discredit him as an adult. Disgraceful disrespect for the office and the man.
"although using "boy" referring to a black man is an intentional act and hardly inadvertent"
Puhleeze. I agreed with what you posted earlier, but the above is ridiculous without specific context, in ANY case. That notwithstanding, the quote you're referring to :
“Look, I’ve got five boys,” Romney added. “I’m used to people saying something that’s not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping I’ll believe it. But that is not the case.”
... proves this conversation moot. And anyone that tries to turn that around into some discussion on racism is out of their mind.
Baloney back at you. I'm talking about comparing the President of the United States to a lying child. Romney dropped that canned phrase into it last night to express his contempt for the President by calling him a lying child. Not a lying man, but a lying child. I object to the deliberate disrespect of that.
Sorry, that's just plain silly. If you're willing to parse every phrase that way, then anything can be turned into a slight.
My "boy"Mitt did pretty good,ok?
And over on Slate: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/03/mitt_romney_beats_barack_obama_first_debate_is_a_decisive_victory_for_republican_challenger.html
Well Romney did do well, not sure what was up with Obama. He did not have his game face on at all.
Eitherway, from the latest poles and reviews. The first debate has had zero impact on either side. People are still sticking to their guns on who they are voting for.
I think the real debates that will start swinging voters either way is on the 11th with the VPs. Biden I think will win this one bascially because he has the upper edge on being a vet in the political field for longer and has a major upper hand on Ryan with foreign policy. Ryan has little to nothing on dealing with foreign policy. Also, Biden is well respected politically then Ryan is. BUT we shall see.
The next one is on the 16th which is a town hall meeting and not scripted like the first. This I think is were Obama will most likely take control. This will be in front of normal people asking questions form swing states and undecided. These people are by average more educated on what is going on and have done more of their homework. rather then just go with the flow like the states that are dominate one way or the other. Also were Romney is going to get hurt is he has built his campaign on negativity and in the swing states.. negativity is not a good thing for them. They are looking for positives and reality checks and willing to get hands dirty and willing to make sacrifices to make things better.
However,.. even after last nigh. latest polls still show Obama taking it for a 2nd term.
Obama did have his "game face"on which is one of thinking that this was all beneath him.He was not prepared,not educated on the facts,and thought he could just get by on personality,and repeating his campaign speeches,it just didn't work.
I cringed every time Romney tried to defend himself against Obama's accusations of him being conservative. However, the fact that centrist Romney appears conservative next to Obama just highlights how far left the president really is.
As far as who won....just ask Chris Matthews.
it wasnt obambas fault he did such a poor job
it was his anniversary, and he had other things on his mind
it wasnt his fault, blame it on george bush or the republicans
In other news: http://minx.cc/?post=333489
I didn't bother to go to your link, snap. Your "in other news" is always an indication of a desperate attempt at a strawman that has nothing to do with the topic. You should really change your modus operandi.
You need to broaden your horizons, cait.
i wonder how many New Black Panthers stories Fox will run.
How is the Mope going to avoid spanked again in two weeks? Obviously, that's not enough time to get him up to speed and weaned from the teleprompter. Will he come up with a crisis at the last second? Stay tuned......
He has NO foreign policy experience,that's how.Zero, zip,nada.
And how much did the President have 4 years ago?????? What Gov. Romney has is debate experience and it clearly showed. Unless, as Al Gore suggested, it was the altitude!
I just finished watching it, I can tell you one of the likely reasons Romney so substantially has polled as winning the debate is he finagled the last word on EVERY SINGLE QUESTION which is contrary to the format of the debate, which was supposed to be alternating the first and last word between the two candidates. That gives the appearance (regardless of whether Romney had the superior argument or not on that question) that he won the debate on every single question.
Cross posted from another thread.http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-approval-rating-gallup-debate-romney-2012-10?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=politics
While all of you right wing types are having a good time jump high fiving and slapping each others fannies, I have some very sobering news that just may bring you back to earth.
Obama's approval rating today (as in post debate today) was at 54%, the highest it's been since 2009. It's a post debate "bump" that no one expected. Now, how much of that has to do with true approval of Obama VS. disgust for Mitt Romney, no one knows. But it's definitely not a good sign for Mittens.
32%? Gallup says 54%. Gallup isn't exactly "left leaning". Well, unless you wear a tinfoil hat, it's not.
Romney was so aggressive, he not only attacked Obama, he even went after Big Bird!
He might have won the debate (okay, not "might have" -- he won), but he probably lost the vote of undecided mothers across the country. What kind of bully attacks Big Bird in a presidential debate? Next thing, Romney will be taking sippy cups away from babies born to mothers on welfare!
I do hope Obama STOPS doing practice debates with John Kerry. If his trainer is Kerry, of course Obama was lackluster! Compared to Kerry's style, Obama probably thought he was on fire last night.
Gee, that was an intelligent retort.
What dishonest crap? Did I call him a Muslim, or say he was born in Kenya, or is a Socialist, or the anti-Christ?? Trust me, nothing a liberal can write would be close to that sort of embarrassment.
However, are you saying Romney didn't go after PBS or that he didn't actually use the words "Big Bird" in one of his early statements? Of all the things driving the debt makes you think that PBS is the first thing on the chopping block, then Romney is your man. Plenty of mothers won't be joining you.
In other words, you can't pinpoint where I was dishonest because I wasn't.
What part of Romney saying he would cut the funding to PBS and "Big Bird" is untrue? Why does it bother you so much that Romney is gunning for Big Bird?
Or does it bother you that I wrote that Romney won the debate? Is that what you see as dishonest? And no, my butt doesn't hurt, nor should it. It was a debate, and I didn't actually take part. The sofa on which I sat while it was on is actually quite comfortable.
So quick to the histrionics, bea. First a deluge of off-the-subject crappola, then jumping the shark to pretending PBS is the FIRST "thing on the chopping block", while wholly ignoring what Romney actually said in that statement?
Anyone who has read my posts know I am for Romney, and I am definitely excited about him roasting Obama last night. Now is not the time to get too cocky though... I am willing to bet that last night was a wake-up call for Obama and he might just be on fire in two weeks (a historical precedent is Mondale whipping Reagan in their first debate only to have Reagan steemroll him in the next debate and the election). Obama will be backed into a corner after last night and after the beatdown Ryan will put on Biden next week. You can bet Obama will be on his game in the final two debates so Romney better be on his.
bill clinton is the only incumbent president that has ever won the first debate.
The first debate was what I expected. The president and Mitt jockeyed for position and set themselves up for the next debate. Neither one showed their true position. Mitt lied about some key issues he had said in the past. The President was not clear on the direction America was going go in the next four years.
Unemployment is a key issue and the effects of globalization and foreign economies is part of the problem. How America handles countries like Spain, Greece, Libya, Egypt, etc is important because we have financial investments that are not bringing a return and can help lower the deficit.
How these two men answer the financial crisis is key to winning the election.
Why support Mitt Romney? He's lying to republicans as well.
Think Progress / By Igor Volsky
Fact Check: Romney Told 27 Myths in 38 Minutes During the Debate
Romney won praise for his performance but only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers.
October 4, 2012 | Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
How about a bit more respect in the poll, LJW? President Obama vs Mitt Romney does not respect Mr. Romney's elected title as Governor. Either make it President and Governor or Mitt and Barak.
We lost. Governor Romney said what people wanted to hear. President Obama was not articulate.
And then: "..Liberals hurriedly searched for scapegoats as the edifice collapsed. They closed in on Obama and Lehrer. Even the most diehard Obama defenders did not accept the ridiculously self-serving spin, put out by the president’s employees, that somehow Romney, the buttoned-down Mormon grandpa, won on “style” over the global celebrity Obama, winner of the Grammy Award and friend of Jay-Z and Beyoncé and Anna Wintour. The president, liberals said, lost the first debate not because his economic record is indefensible and his second-term agenda is nonexistent, but because he was not sufficiently nasty...." http://freebeacon.com/on-the-cannibals/
I'd like to be the first to note the similarity between Romney talking down to Obama and Clint Eastwood talking down to the empty chair. Quite a nice metaphor.
I credit The New Yorker with the idea. They are working on it for a cover or something.
The new campaign song for Barry. Nice touch tange
This city just keeps on giving when it comes to comic relief on all things political. You have a complete and utter failure as a president who is nothing more than a Marxist through and through. His goal is the the destruction of capitalism and the installation of socialism. He has been doing a masterful job as far as socialism, aided and abetted by a complicit media, the National Socialist Democrat Party, and nearly half the country. 16 trillion in debt, headed for Greece and riots in the streets due to forced austerity. That is where we are headed, and real quickly if he gets another term. But you liberals just keep on heading "forward" with your blinders on and see what happens. It won't be pretty, I guarantee you.
From across the pond: "Obama 'believed he had BEATEN Romney' in Denver debate - after ignoring advice of top aides on preparation
Obama believes he'd got the better of Romney as he walked off stage to the dismay of his aides, according to a Democrat close to the campaign
The President failed to prepare properly, opting instead to visit the Hoover Dam the day before the showdown
Democrat claims he was so disdainful of Romney that he didn't think he needed to even engage with him
Had one-liners on 47% prepared but chose not to use them..."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215173/Obama-believed-beaten-Romney-Denver-debate-ignoring-advice-aides.html#ixzz28psV5UYm
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