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McCain was relentless. He was the most agressive I have seen since his parties primary. That being said, he didn't do enough to topple Obama. He showed some fire, but it was too little, too late in the campaign to hope for a hail mary. I would like to have seen this McCain from the onset. It would have made for a more interesting general election.
He is, Kansas Person. But don't tell the right-wingers. They're enjoying their little rant. It's all they've got left.
I'm also tired of these left wing in the bag for obama reports doing the debates. Lets have Rush do a debate.
My take exactly, preebo. I'll be surprised if BO doesn't win.
I'm tired of the facial expressions of hatred and disgust and derission which McCains displays. He is a disgrace to the public and doesn't deserve the office he even currently represents. He is despicable and petty.
I thought I had read that tonight's moderator is actually a McCain supporter.
friend of terrorists...? What terrorists? Convicted? none.so what about friend of people who steal us blind like Keating, or the friends of J. Gordon Liddy? Or a whole list of convicted or indicted miscreants living on the hog in the top 1% of the population?
The moderator is a very conservative republican and likes John McCain. He could not help McCain.McCain becoming a BUSHCO war machine person did himself him when he became not a supporter of veterans and military people in a variety of ways. He also became a blind supporter of an illegal war and occupation:http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/14/james_bamford_the_shadow_factory_the
Is anyone really surprised ??!! McSame has been falling in the polls for a couple of weeks, now. Ever since people started realizing that Sarah Palin was just a pretty face with no substance. Aren't we all just a little tired of the politics of fear.That's all this "palling around with terrorists" crap is, a big hot steamy pile.
4thgencowgirl, did you even watch the debate? Paid any attention to anything except for the commercials? If you have a hard time figuring out what candidates "stand for" after 3 debates and 3-4 months of relentless news coverage, then perhaps you shouldn't vote, anyway.
autie,at least glenn beck would have made the debates interesting and asked the questions that everyone wanted asked
The event that McCain spoke at (in favor of ACORN, saying it's "what makes America great") occurred at a pro-immigration rally!So, McCain was for ACORN before he was against it!And, also, I was amazed (yet not surprised) that McCain did not know the difference between Down syndrome (could also be spelled as Down's) and autism. VP candidate Palin has a child with DS, not autism. I have worked with autistic and DS adults in the past. In my experience, Downs and autism were mutually exclusive. McCain doesn't care--to him, Downs, autistic, they're all retarded. I know the mindset. McCain lost the debate to me right there. Note to McCain, Palin, and any other sub-educated electoral candidates: if you're not fully sure of what you're talking about, shut up.
My mama always said, "keep you friends closer, but keep your enemies closer." that way you'll always know what their next move will be.
N_Trenched, us "Dims" have a governor, plus two state reps on our side. Most people outside Kansas do not realize we have a "D" Governor. Within ten years, Kansas will once again be "blue" in regard to our contrarian past.
you forgot to drop the "g" off the word "palling", grammaddy. ;)mcflailin's demeanor would turn me against him even if i were a staunch supporter. the rapid blinking, the sneers that bordered on grimaces, his butting in when obama was trying to speak, the eyerolls...gawd. it just astounds me that he has no more self control, class, or presence than that. and some want this hot tempered nasty demeanored old man to be prez???? yikes.
Just when I could not believe the McCain strategy could be dumbed-down any further by the likes of "Joe Six Pack", now we have "Joe the Plumber". I find it remarkable that a plumbing business could exceed 250k in net income after properly deducting all business expenses. If so, the tax system has graduated rates, so only the net income above this amount would be taxed at the higher rate. The additional taxes would be far more minimal than the fear-mongering McCain would leave you to believe. Keep in mind 1st year businesses can also take advantage of accelerated deductions on equipment investments. Unbelievably weak that they are using this as a major part of their campaign.
Things have gotten so bad that Palin just assumes people are protesting her...http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/13/palin-mistakes-supporters-hecklers-rally/
Does anyone get the impression that McCain has just sort of given up? I genuinely get the feeling that he just doesn't care anymore and that the debates with Obama were more of an inconvenience that he just wanted to finish so he could get on with his life. I tend to think that the old McCain was a reasonably honorable man, but the new McCain has sold out all of his principles and he doesn't seem comfortable with that. I wonder if he thinks being president in the current mess is even worth it? Just a thought...
We may even amend it to twelve, by then.
rckansas,McCain at one time supported ACORN. In fact, he was the group's keynote speaker at an event in 2006. So ... maybe he abandoned ACORN on the side of the road with the Straight Talk Express?
" thought I had read that tonight's moderator is actually a McCain supporter."Add to that Brokaw wasdownright subserviant to McCain in the debate he "moderated." And poor Gwen Ifill was brow beaten in to irrellevance by pre-debate bullying. And even with all that help McCain and crew couldn't kick "his you know what" last night.
grammaddyIs anyone really surprised ??!! McSame has been falling in the polls for a couple of weeks, now. Ever since people started realizing that Sarah Palin was just a pretty face with no substance. Aren't we all just a little tired of the politics of fear.That's all this "palling around with terrorists" crap is, a big hot steamy pile._______Grammaddy may I have some of whatever you are smoking? You are deluding yourself if you believe that McCain has fallen in the polls because of Palin, The main reason McCain has fallen in the polls is the economic situation ...... his falling in the polls coincides with the economic downturn.The economic crisis is Barack Obama's best friend ..... sad thing is Democrats pushed the changes that helped bring this about.
Obama's judgement is what I'm looking at. Obama working with a terrorists,Rev.Wright, and ACORN! Then he throws them under the bus so they won't hurt him in his campaigne. Is this who you want has a President?I do not!
Here are some other points that bothered me in no particular order:1) He was extremely discourteous and even mocking when referring to or addressing his opponent. Obama, on the other hand exhibited patience and calm.2) After Obama made a point, McCain on two occasions tried to deride it as eloquence. I read into it as Obama skillfully being able to answer the question and express his view.3) After complaining about the negative tone of the campaign, he brings up the William Ayers thing...also after making bizzare comments about the Town Hall Meetings, and trying to settle some score about some criticism he received by someone other than Obama. And then asking Obama to repudiate it! Weird.4) Misusing the word Federalist (as mentioned above).5) While talking about the hatchet he mocked the scalpel. If he really wants to use the hatchet why doesn't he pull us out of Iraq right now (I don't necessarily support this), but he is unwilling to admit this war has been draining our resources.I read up on McCain and understand that he is a highly honorable man (and courageous) but it is somewhat displeasing to see him descend like he is.About Obama, I give him courage for calmly standing his ground with decency. To my knowledge he has not brought up the Keating five controversy. Nor has he bothered to find another "telescope" or something like that in a McCain supported budget.
Big Government won the debate. It positioned itself well by having 2 out of 2 candidates from its camp in the debate. A no lose situation.It is like the school bully giving you the freedom to choose a punch in the mouth or the gut. I challenge all who are caught up in partisan politics to question your allegiance to whichever party you have been following. Try to stop thinking in terms of Republican vs Democrat or Liberal vs Conservative for a while. What if there was a political process that could benefit all people?
jimincountry, how about McCain's association with ACORN and his praise for ACORN as something that "makes America great"???Please respond. There hasn't been a right-winger yet that has responded today re: McCain's association with ACORN.
I recommend factcheck.org.It points out errors and falsehoods on both sides and conducts independent analysis to give voters more information.
I have yet to hear what they both stand for. All the mudslinging on these commercials just doesn't get it for me, and that is my opinion and I will stand by that.
jayhawkframer (Anonymous) says: I'm also tired of these left wing in the bag for obama reports doing the debates. Lets have Rush do a debate.This Rush?http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rush-limbaugh-says-blacks-are-angry-andThat would go over really swimmingly.
I somewhat agree, rodentgirl. The idea of the old McCain (the one that was around in 2000) running during this election scared me. He used to have a great capability of drawing in moderate votes. He used to be easy to listen to. Now, he just seems bitter and is unable to put together a solid answer without some sort of insult, major stumble, or "friend." I don't know if it's age, or the fact that he's under tremendous pressure now that things aren't looking so optimistic for him.
I just heard that McCain was going to vote for Obama.
Hands down, I thought this was the best part of the debate (warning: you'll only like it if you're an Obama supporter).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynXjVu...
Did anyone else notice that McCain said that he was in favor of letting the states control their abortion laws because he's a Federalist? Someone should tell him what a Federalist is.
If Mccain knew how to speak he would win the debates and election hands down but the guy sucks at talking. I believe Obama knows how to speak clearly and not like a boring old 79 yr old sounds coming from an old war veteran. Say goodbye to Mccain regarding this election.
Hey, Kansas, there's no question... Obama will be the next President... and whether you believe it or not, you will benefit from that outcome. So, why not surprise yourself-and the rest of the nation-and go BLUE this election. I assure you that no event will capture as much National attention as the reappearance of that mid-American "ocean" now millions of years departed.( Hey, the Jayhawks have already made the commitment! )
Hi Mike Blur,We thought the same thing while watching -- is he seriously confusing Down syndrome with autism? But I did look it up just in case, and I saw online that Palin's sister has a 13-year-old boy with autism. So that may be what he was talking about.On the other hand, it may have been a mistake by McCain. I don't know. Frankly I'd be surprised if he even knew she had a nephew.(BTW the trend nowadays (in medical literature and in the AP Style Guide) is to remove the apostrophe and "s" from syndromes. So: Down syndrome, not Down's syndrome. The reasoning goes: eponymous diseases or syndromes are named after the doctor who described the condition, but the doctor does not actually have the condition. Losing the apostrophe-s gets rid of that connotation of ownership or possession.)
Mike Blur (Mike Blur) says: The event that McCain spoke at (in favor of ACORN, saying it's "what makes America great") occurred at a pro-immigration rally!So, McCain was for ACORN before he was against it!And, also, I was amazed (yet not surprised) that McCain did not know the difference between Down syndrome (could also be spelled as Down's) and autism. VP candidate Palin has a child with DS, not autism.I have worked with autistic and DS adults in the past. In my experience, Downs and autism were mutually exclusive. McCain doesn't care-to him, Downs, autistic, they're all retarded. I know the mindset.McCain lost the debate to me right there. Note to McCain, Palin, and any other sub-educated electoral candidates: if you're not fully sure of what you're talking about, shut up.I agree with you! I am a special education teacher and was wondering exactly why having a child with down syndrome would make her an expert on autism. I would wager that she is not an expert on anything concerning special education yet. Furthermore McCain does not have a platform for special education on his website. He does mention autism but that is all I can see. Obama does have a platform to address the needs of people with disabilities. I would have thought McCain/Palin would have bothered with addressing special needs on their website given she is an expert.
Bigdog,where do you get this mess that the dems are responsible for the financial mess we are in now?! We may be the majority in congress right now, but we are nowhere near having the majority it takes to override a veto. Maybe some day really soon we will, though. NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN!! OBAMA/BIDEN 08
Why do the "Dims" even vote for prez in this state. It is such a waste of time. Go back the holes you crawled out of.
KansasPerson, McCain was referring specifically to Sarah Palin and not her sister Heather. McCain had no idea what he was talking about, and he should have shut up.I spent two years working with developmentally disabled people. One time, I pulled an 18-inch length of string out of an "client's" anus, on nurses' orders (she was on the phone, and the client was at risk of consuming the length of string again.) I know, through personal experience, the "difference" between types of DD persons, and I know when politicians such as McCain are blowing smoke up my backside (no pun intended.) McCain and Palin should not hold her DD baby up as an electoral prop. That is just sick and insane.
Obama won the debate but McCain could have done better at informing people about Obama's associations on his way up the politcal ladder in Chicago. Years ago I remember the admonition of those trying to persuade radicals like Ayers, the terrorist-bomber-turned-liberal-professor in Illinois, to stop the violence and work to change "things" by working within the system. They did and they are Indeed within the system, especially places like Columbia, Obama's alma mater. Ayers is doing his "professoring" within the university system in Illinois where Obama found his way to the US Senate though his community organizing endeavors, and I think his association with ACORN is not a coincidence in that regard.
Not every person is as partisan as those that post in these forums. I'm unaffiliated and I didn't see any bias on the part of the moderators. I thought Bob Scheiffer asked tough questions of both candidates. I even recall reading that he is a fan of McCain.I don't think the moderator is the source of McCain's bad polling. I think McCain cooked his own goose with his inability to control his contempt and hostility. It baffles me that his campaign advisors haven't told him to chill out on the odd facial expressions. They are getting tons of play on YouTube.
Obama is a socialist! Come on people! The Congressional Democrats are running the country, taking over and nationalizing banks. I wonder what you'll have to say 2 or 3 years after Obama wins the election, is taxing us into food lines and is sending us our "economic stimulus" checks. Wake up. Pelosi is already talking about another "stimulus package". Go out and do something people! Long live capitalism!
Does it matter who won the debate?Obama has won the election.
Ummm. Wasn't it Bush who proposed the bailout? Didn't both McCain and Obama support this package? Wasn't it Bush who gave us a stimulus package last year?I agree with you on Capitalism. But Capitalism can benefit by partnering up with Governemnent. This also creates jobs in the private sector. Sometimes it is taken to the extreme (ie Haliburton) but it does create jobs, especially if they are infrastructure and technology project ventures. I call it keynesian economics......not Socialism.
Obama drew 100,000 in St. Louis today. McCain is off hunting for Republicans in North Carolina. The photo of 100,000 people gathered from the Arch to the old Capitol in STL says it all. The only thing we have to get through now is whatever October surprise bush and McCain are cooking up. Then I get to have my say on McCain's tactics, Sarah Palin, and eight long, miserable years of bush's unAmerican rule.
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