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Club Magic manager says he’s trying to turn around a new business at an old, and troubled, location

May 25, 2013

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Sean Hall will be the first to agree that Club Magic has problems.

Sean Hall, who has been the general manager at Club Magic for two months explained that he wants to improve the image of the club and hopes to establish a better relationship with the community.

Sean Hall, who has been the general manager at Club Magic for two months explained that he wants to improve the image of the club and hopes to establish a better relationship with the community.

Two months after taking over as general manager of the club, he’s seen a shooting victim bleeding in the parking lot on the same night that security guards disarmed a man brandishing a gun at the bar. The two incidents together early Sunday morning — though apparently unrelated — drew the attention of police and the public to a nightclub that, while only about a year old, occupies a building in Lawrence long associated with such incidents. At least one city commissioner has called this week for the club’s liquor license to be revoked.

'I hate to see what's happening here'

Hall, 43, of Atlanta, said he knows about the history at 804 W. 24th St. and has been trying to turn the nightclub around. But those efforts were made more difficult when one victim in a double shooting in a nearby residential neighborhood crashed his car into Club Magic’s parking lot and, rightly or wrongly, linked the music venue with violence again.

“I’ve never seen so much blood in my life,” Hall said. “I hate to see what’s happening here. I would be upset too, if this was happening in my community. This was in our backyard, too.”

When Club Magic opened last year, it inherited a host of problems left behind by previous tenants, Hall said.

The most recent of those, Taste Bar and Grill, surrendered its liquor license last spring after a bouncer was shot and the owner was cited for liquor law violations, drawing unwanted attention from city officials. When Club Magic opened soon after, people already tended to associate it with those stories, Hall said, even though Magic LLC, registered in Topeka, has nothing to do with the former owner of Taste. “The guy left a bad taste in the community’s mouth,” Hall said. Even in his dealings with food and beverage distributors, Hall said, Club Magic has had to contend with that bad reputation. “Kansas is a small place, and I’m learning that fast,” Hall said.

Making changes

Hall and other managers at Club Magic made changes when they took over, replacing the club’s in-house security guards with a pair of professional security firms — one, unarmed to work inside, and a second, armed and licensed, to work outside. When Hall came to work at the club, first as a chef and now as general manager, his 19-year-old son came with him and works there now as a dishwasher, while pursuing a music career.

“I wouldn’t want my son around anything that wouldn’t be healthy for his well-being and his future,” Hall said.

Even so, there are troublesome elements among the club’s clientele, and Hall said he’s seen it. He and the music promoters who work with him are trying to shift the club’s following, and changing the music will be part of that. By moving away from a steady diet of raw hip-hop and rap acts, toward a more diverse lineup of other kinds of hip-hop, electronic, and even country-western music, Hall said he hopes to attract an older crowd, and one less interested in fighting.

The club is likely to also stop admitting patrons under 21, and may start to close earlier, no longer remaining open to serve food for hours after the liquor is locked away at 2 a.m. Hall said he is proud of the club’s menu — especially its burgers and the house special, duck butter wings — but he’s looking for ways to make the business safe and a good neighbor to the community.

But even as he makes these changes, Hall said he thinks the club is being unfairly blamed for a shooting that happened blocks away, and doesn’t want all of his customers painted with the same brush by those upset about Sunday’s incidents.

“They can blame Topeka, they can blame hip-hop, but the issue is deeper than that,” Hall said. The problems faced by youth in America, and a culture of gun violence, are bigger than Club Magic, he said.

A long, bloody history

The history of problems at 804 W. 24th Street goes back at least to the 1990s, and is only part of the city’s uneasy relationship with nightlife. While Taste was facing the revocation of its liquor license last year after a bouncer was shot by a patron, city officials and police studied crime hotspots associated with bars and clubs all over town. And before Taste, a club called Liquid was the scene of a double stabbing in 2006. Ten years before that, a 32-year-old Topeka man was found guilty in a deadly shooting outside the former club Langston’s, at almost the same location, 806 W. 24th St.

Some past nightclubs at 804 W. 24th St.

• Club Magic: 2012

• Taste Bar and Grill: 2010

• Liquid: 2002

• Langston's: 1996

• NiteOwls: 1995

The city has pursued other nightclubs in recent years for problems with violence. Owners of Last Call closed the nightclub in the 700 block of New Hampshire Street after a legal battle with the city. In 2009, owners of the former Club Axis, 821 Iowa, previously known as Moon Bar, also closed its doors and put the building up for sale and surrendered the club’s state liquor license.

Sunday morning

Until recently, Club Magic has avoided those kinds of problems. Police confiscated a gun from a car in the club’s parking lot in February, and on Sunday morning, the security firms hired by Hall successfully disarmed a man who sneaked a firearm into the bar.

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“They’ve done a stellar job,” Hall said. Police were called, and a 21-year-old Lawrence man was arrested.

Apart from that, things seemed fine at Club Magic as Saturday night turned into early Sunday morning, Hall said. Then, a car driven by a badly wounded man crashed into a police car in the parking lot. Hall said two customers at the bar brought ice and helped perform first aid on the man as ambulances arrived.

“It’s tragic,” Hall said. “I know that there have been issues at the facility before, but never of this magnitude.”

The wounded man was likely driving to the bar for help, police said, after being shot along with another man three blocks to the north in the 800 block of Greever Terrace. The two wounded men, both of Topeka, were taken to area trauma centers in critical condition. Hospital officials have not released information about them since Monday, but Douglas County prosecutors said Wednesday that they remained hospitalized with life-threatening injuries.

Two Topeka men, Erick Shakeel Smith, 20, and Steven Michael Gigger, 29, have been charged in the shooting and remain in Douglas County Jail. Hall said it’s not clear that the men involved had even been to the club before. Police said they are investigating the shooting, but have not publicly linked it to Club Magic aside from the location where the second victim was found.

Proof in the pudding

But Hall is aware that some see Sunday’s incident as part of a pattern, and he is redoubling his efforts to rehabilitate Club Magic’s reputation.

“We want to show the community that we’re not that stereotypical club,” Hall said.

To that end, beyond changing the music and the age of entrance, Hall wants to reach out to his neighbors. He said that even before Sunday, he and other employees started a program to cook meals for Lawrence’s hungry, and has signed up four families so far. Next, Hall said, he would like to sponsor some youth league sports and put on more family-friendly events.

On June 1, Club Magic is planning an outdoor fair in the parking lot, with art exhibitions, fire-eating performers and rides for children.

Hall’s effort to change things at Club Magic began to show Friday, when he hosted a public meeting for anyone, including the public and police, who wanted to talk about how the nightclub can work with the community. Afterward, when the party started, Club Magic debuted a new event: “30 Something night.” Only those 30 years of age or older were admitted with ID, and performer DJ Nasty promised a “great time with no drama.”

Hall said he didn’t have all of the answers, but hoped Club Magic was moving in the right direction. “We’re going to try it, but, you know, the proof will be in the pudding.”

Comments

q_ball2kand1 2 years, 2 months ago

Sorry Mr. Hall. Too little, too late, I can't speak for everyone but I feel confident saying the people of Lawrence don't want the business your location draws.

Tim Quest 2 years, 2 months ago

"I can't speak for everyone so let me go ahead and speak for everyone."

Bob Forer 2 years, 2 months ago

As long as the business continues to cater to the gangsta rap clientel, there will be problems at the club, despite management efforts. The Last Call took a number of measures, but as long as the same type of crowd kept coming, the problems persisted.

I appreciate Mr. Hall's efforts, but it's clearly a losing battle.

Currahee 2 years, 2 months ago

Give him a chance, it's not like he has a sign on his business saying "VIOLENCE IS WELCOME!" ... besides I'm sure the violent people will migrate elsewhere if this thing closes down.

Scott Morgan 2 years, 2 months ago

In the late 1990s I did a research project for my own information on suburban gang life. For some odd reason my work is on the Lawrence Police Web site. Never given permission, heh.

I wanted to know why a rich kid would suddenly change into an angry, pants around knee, authority defying, violent, even changing speech patterns, and last but no least get themselves involved with the law to a point where it follows them lifelong.

But, to the point. Violent non-stop rap does not discriminate. You will find hard core believe they live in the ghetto kids from Mission Hills or any upper scale suburbs in our nation. Gather a group of folks, some who are disenchanted, play angry music, mix in some drugs/booze and you will eventually have trouble.

Then all it takes is an accidental bump, a spilled drink, or even a glance taken the wrong way.

Hard core violent rap is taking an entire generation from us.

Tim Quest 2 years, 2 months ago

There is more poverty in suburban areas than urban areas. I guess your "research project" is out of date or, more likely, was never very good in the first place.

Tim Quest 2 years, 2 months ago

Thank you for making my point for me.

windjammer 2 years, 2 months ago

Give us your figures on that. Or is your reseach out of date? I don't think you have figures to back any of this post up.

Jayhawk_4_Life 2 years, 2 months ago

suburban neighborhoods are poorer than urban areas? surely you can't say that with a straight face.

jack22 2 years, 2 months ago

In the late 1950's I did a research project of my own to see what was corrupting our youth. I found it was blues, then jazz, then rock and roll that we called the devil's music. Now it's rap. Have no doubt, there's one thing that's for sure, the devil is an American music fan.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

An entire generation? Not likely.

Good one, Jack, and if I am not mistaken they said the same thing about Mozarts music. Go figure. Music has always heated up the blood. I hear tom-toms!

Tradways 2 years, 2 months ago

I say keep them open so the police can be at the door running everyone for warrants. I you want to stay open prove to the community they're kind of music and club doesn't attract criminals.

workinghard 2 years, 2 months ago

Maybe they should require an ID (no matter what the age) that is scanned and kept in a data base. Knowing this might keep some less desirable people away and also help identify someone if there is trouble.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

It all comes down to what clientele they are trying to attract and what clientele they are actually attracting. If the new manager and the new owner (if the owner is in fact "new"), are trying to attract the same clientele as the previous manager and owner, and the one before that, then new security and all the rest won't solve the problems.

Light that place up and bring in some chamber orchestras every Friday and every Saturday and your clientele will change. That may not be a good business model, but neither is having shootings and stabbings.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

I like that idea :-)

You don't hear about these sorts of thing happening at classical music venues, do you?

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

Do I really have to point out that those are movies???

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

How about when at a recital, Jack Aubrey almost smacked Stephen Maturin, but manfully restrained himself? Eh?

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

I have no idea what you're talking about.

tomatogrower 2 years, 2 months ago

Give him a chance, but if it doesn't change, close him down. At least he is willing to admit there's a problem, unlike the guy who owned the bar on New Hampshire.

Keith 2 years, 2 months ago

Speaking of the bar on NH, I see Barrel House is closed. What's next?

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

Van Swearingen's fabled White Lightin' out at...oh, never mind, forget you heard that.

Deb Engstrom 2 years, 2 months ago

These guys were all from Topeka. Probably had a beef before they ever came to Lawrence.

patkindle 2 years, 2 months ago

thugs with drugs and guns, attract more thugs with drugs and guns

lhs96299 2 years, 2 months ago

Regardless of the business name, the location or the age of the patrons, the problem will continue because crime, drugs and violence are cultural normalcy for that segment of the population.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

Would you like to tell us just what segment of the population you are writing about?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

The answer to your question is right there in his/her comment. The segment of the population being referenced are those people who think crime, drugs and violence are normal.

Why? Did you assume something else?

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes, I did. The argument is that the rap music is fomenting violence because of its content. Now who are the majorities of rappers and the majority who go to this club and take a good look at the picture of the manager. I challenge people to honestly acknowledge if they believe or not that poor, blacks listen to rap with images of violence and react to them.

Maybe because that group has a lot to be angry about.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

Well, you're reading more into it than I did. When I look at the manager of that club, just like when I look at the President of the United States, I see a man. One man. That's what I read into it. Now if these shootings didn't happen, if the other instances of violence didn't happen, none of this would have been brought to my attention. I've never stepped foot inside that club. I have no idea who goes there or why they go there. As long as they obey the law, as long as they are not a public nuisance, none of this is my business. Who they are, what they look like, what music they listen to, none of that is my business. Until they become a public nuisance. And when that happens, they are not blacks creating a public nuisance, they are not rappers creating a public nuisance, they are not angry young people creating a public nuisance. They are people creating a public nuisance. And if that club cannot or will not control that, they need to be shut down.

bearded_gnome 2 years, 2 months ago

Two months after taking over as general manager of the club, he’s seen a shooting victim bleeding in the parking lot on the same night that security guards disarmed a man brandishing a gun at the bar. The two incidents together early Sunday morning — though apparently unrelated — drew the attention of police and the public to a nightclub that, while only about a year old, occupies a building in Lawrence long associated with such incidents. At least one city commissioner has called this week for the club’s liquor license to be revoked.

---I recall at this address/place on that block even in the 80's and not hip-hop there was violence then too. something weird about that location. think was called the Playhouse then for a time and was a country bar?

bearded_gnome 2 years, 2 months ago

^^jafs 46 minutes ago

I like that idea :-)

You don't hear about these sorts of thing happening at classical music venues, do you?

---uh, you might wish to require those orchestras to avoid playing any pieces written by Wagner though if you wish to avoid inspiring violence! lol

jack22 2 years, 2 months ago

Stravinsky's Right of Spring? The one hundred year anniversary is right around the corner, look it up.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes, because there have been numerous shootings outside of concerts that Wagner has been played at, of course.

I assume you're referring to the use of Wagner's music by the Nazis?

You do realize that Wagner's music and operas have been played over the last 60-70 years without any sort of problem, I hope.

bearded_gnome 2 years, 2 months ago

Rap music cleary includes much music with lyrics which inspire and glorify violece in general, violence against women, the sexual objectification of women, and specifically violence against women.

... "DJ Nasty?" there's an obviously responsible individual so clearly things are now under control!

smileydog 2 years, 2 months ago

They should have a Playhouse reunion. It could be labeled a meat market for the now geriatric folks and fit in nicely with the "Lawrence wants the old and decrepit" marketing scheme. They could run T-Bus party shuttles.

trinity 2 years, 2 months ago

Only if the band "Network" would reunite&play it! (my fave band back in the Playhouse days)

timebomb66 2 years, 2 months ago

In Topeka, there is heavy distro of flyers and hand bills for this place.

Mark Currie 2 years, 2 months ago

I agree with some of you, give him a 2nd chance. If that doesn't work, take a track hoe and several dump trucks to the place.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

Why are we even considering punishing the owner, manager, employees and patrons because people they have no control over break the law? None of you can actually believe punishing Joe for Jack's crime is fair of constitutional.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

Interesting that you mention Constitutional. When a bar is granted a liquor license, a condition is the forfeiture of certain rights and the implementation of certain responsibilities. An ABC agent or the police may enter a bar at any time, day or night, and search the premises. A bar waives it's Fourth Amendment rights as a condition of getting the liquor license. The owner must maintain certain records on site for a period of time and must be made available to the ABC immediately upon request.

If you don't like waiving those rights, best not apply for a liquor license, which, of course, is not a right at all. It's a privilege.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

What has the bar done to lose it's "privilege"?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

I assume we're talking about allegations that the business as operated constitutes a public nuisance. And I assume that losing one's liquor license or one's business license does not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, as in a criminal case. Allegations like that coming from public safety organizations like the Lawrence police or Douglas County sheriff's offices, along with elected officials such as the city commission might be enough to sway whatever bureaucracy in Topeka that handles these licenses that a good enough case has been made. If the owners then believe that their rights, Constitutional or otherwise, have been violated, the courts would be the place to seek a remedy.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

The business is not the nuisance. People they have no control over are the nuisance. What do you expect them to do? As long as they have reasonable security they have met the bargain, and the county or whoever should hold up theirs and abide the establishment as long as they are not in breech of the contract.

A bar has no control over you except forbidding you to enter. They can't do anything else. So how do they decide who can enter? By their clothing? Their necklace? Their color?

Are we going to make Lawrence a rap-free town? How will you decide whose mouth gets the duct tape at the city limit?

If the business is in compliance, making them shut down is an assault on freedom.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 2 months ago

Maybe you believe bars should not be responsible for the behavior of it's patrons. Well, that's not the system we have. Bars are responsible. And this bar is failing in it's responsibility.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

I've been to enough bars to know that they have no control over me beyond not allowing me in. How can a bar be responsible for patrons they have asked to leave? Or that went home to get a gun over a beef?

There is violence when KU wins some sports game. Are we going to take away KU privilege of playing in the big 12 because when the win people destroy property and fight downtown?

Isn't KU responsible for the violence their product incites just the same as any other venue?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 2 months ago

I never patronize thise sort of establoishmentslso I speak from ignorance.

It seems that the sort of music that is played is blamed for the problems her, maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains, something about the operation of this business causes violence, lawlessness, and general disturbance to the community. Businesses that cause this sort of problem should be closed. There is no plausable reason that this sort of thing should be allowed to exist in our community. The presence of liqyuor, angry young people, and gun culture that seeems to be so rife is our modern enlightened civilazion is a hands down guarntee tor problems and should not be allowed.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

"something about the operation of this business causes violence, lawlessness, and general disturbance to the community"

So do sports events.

kernal 2 years, 2 months ago

No wonder the same criminal types are showing up at this club if flyers are being distributed in Topeka. That's an open invitation to trouble. Ditto Kansas City area.

Scott Morgan 2 years, 2 months ago

McHeath, tell me why upper middle class white kids in this particular area of JO-CO, boys and girls, many top notch students in middle school suddenly change into what they believed to be like the rappers they listed to 24-7.

Of course the music did not cause this horrid problem, but certainly often served as a banger "road map." Still does today.

This was in the 90s, I do some some progress in this area. . Still see the types around Lawrence everyday. Change? This specific group of kids transformed themselves into walking, talking, eager to prove they were for real bangers. Nothing to do with race, many fine minority families share this unfortunate problem.

Oh, during this study I interviewed former and current Crips and Bloods. Even had them to my home, one in particular was heartbreaking. He had changed, moved to Olathe from the West coast in hopes of getting into law enforcement. Nice kid in my presence. Not a chance for him unfortunately.

I interviewed kids (some inside Juvie) who were involved in this metamorphosis. I will always remember the wailing and weeping from the so tough acting kids when evening lock down began. Also chatted with court ordered psychologists, private psychologists, off the record JO-CO cops/ deputies, teachers, parents, probation/diversion staff, and more.

Not sure why you chuckle, do you have the answer why pampered kids would consciously walk away from a chance for a real life?

BTW.....I found very few suburbanite bangers who were really in an organized gang. Very few. I found the term, at least in this specific group of "wannabe" to be wrong. Most I interviewed did not want to join a gang. .

Maracas 2 years, 2 months ago

I like the approach Mr. Hall is taking. He's not becoming obstinately defensive or calling names. He seems genuinely to be proactive in finding a way to make it work for everyone, by inclusion. I applaud that. He deserves a chance and we, as a community, should give him that chance.

ksgardener 2 years, 2 months ago

I am with Maracas, and I live a few blocks away. Give it a chance.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

Excellent comment Maracas, Mr. Hall is simply trying to make a living. However, since the regular customers are used to coming there, they will continue to do so until they are convinced that the club has changed and that certain behaviors will not be tolerated. That is the word that needs to get out.

Thank you, Mr. Hall for your efforts in making this club a good place for people to have fun. I hope very much that you succeed.

ksgardener 2 years, 2 months ago

Here, here, have fun, no problem here, thanks for responding to the communities concerns. Wish you the best.

ksgardener 2 years, 2 months ago

What is the relationship of the shooters and the shot from last weekend? This might not have anything to do with the business.

Thinking_Out_Loud 2 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if allowing concealed carry inside the bar would solve the problem....

kernal 2 years, 2 months ago

Probably just get the blood all over the bar instead of out in the parking lot. Then they'd have to call Paul Davis Restoration. (No, that's not the same Paul Davis who is a politician.)

bearded_gnome 2 years, 2 months ago

^^jafs 6 hours, 13 minutes ago

Yes, because there have been numerous shootings outside of concerts that Wagner has been played at, of course.

I assume you're referring to the use of Wagner's music by the Nazis?

You do realize that Wagner's music and operas have been played over the last 60-70 years without any sort of problem, I hope.

---JAFS, you're right about my ref, but as to being out of date, naw. think current skinheads/neoNAZIs too.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

So, how many shootings have there been outside of classical music concerts at which Wagner has been played in the last 60-70 years?

I'd say the answer is zero.

bearded_gnome 2 years, 2 months ago

Ben Carson would remind us that a substantial number of those violent young men who are rappers come from fatherless families. so yes, this is at least in part asymptom now of the condition of our culture's decay.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 2 months ago

Our culture is not decaying. All across America, and yes, in Lawrence, culture is doing very well and hip-hop and rap is a very important part of that culture. Don't be so quick to dismiss an aspect because you don't like it.

Both rappers and hip-hop artists are communicating what they think and they are individuals just like the rest of us. They have a variety of opinions. Since the extremists of both do put their ideas out there openly the question should be why that message is so appealing to certain people. What does it offer them that they are not getting from another source?

germx 2 years, 2 months ago

Let's just name it Lawrence's sexiest most dangerous club.

FactsB4Fiction 2 years, 2 months ago

This article has certainly brought forth opinions that are interesting, to say the least.

In reading this article and the others which are related to this, along with the Channel 6 news report, it is obvious that Mr. Hall is well educated, business savvy, a great communicator and extremely level headed. All of these things are important when dealing with a situation as this. I too agree that Mr. Hall deserves a chance to make the appropriate changes needed to turn this club/situation around. I hope that this community and his clientele will support him in doing so. this change will take a bit of time, so allow for that while you're watching in hopes to see the progress we all desire.

With that being said, I don't understand the following: 1. Did LPD ask the suspects if their shootings were related to the club? A particular incident at the club? This simple question (if suspects were asked and responded) would answer the burning question most of us are asking. 2. Who is the owner of Club Magic? Not the owner of the building. Who does Mr. Hall report to? Why isn't this person or persons stepping forward to assist the GM (Mr. Hall) in his efforts rebuild the clubs image? This I do not understand. Mr or Mrs owner of Club Magic, please step forward.

I personally do not want to get into the dispute of hip/hop, race, where someone is from (Lawrence vs. Topeka), who is holier than thou type discussion. Because if we really stop to think, there have been many shootings in theaters, schools, home invasions, robberies of convenience stores...the list can go on and on which was committed by persons who were not part of a culture that listened to hip hop, nor we're their pants sagging, they were not considered thugs or in gangs or of a particular race. Have you read the national or international news headlines lately? Oddly enough, the violence being reported is indifferent than the blame going on here. Do you get what I'm saying?

So please people, stop with the madness of blaming a culture that listens to hip hop, stop tying to point the fingers to Topeka thugs/ gangs, and whatever else makes you feel warm inside when placing blame. NRA to blame? I think not. What about knife manufacturers? Are they responsible for stabbings? Pillow manufactures? Are they responsible for suffocations?

I ask that you think about the big picture and that HUMANS are responsible for their own poor decisions to hurt other HUMANS, to make bad decisions that affect a community, and so on.

Bottom line, yes give this place another chance. Hopefully nothing will happen in the meantime. Let's only hold them responsible for what they are responsible for. Again, let's hear from the actual owner, so we know they care as well. Kudos to Mr. Hall for being a stand up guy! Kudos to the journalist who has displayed fair journalism, as you don't find that often in reporting these days!!!

FactsB4Fiction 2 years, 2 months ago

'Smitty' my comments were not in regards to what Mr Hall was implying, it was in regards to a portion of the 80+ comments within a multitude of the articles, as I referenced in the beginning of my non-confrontational comments.

Olin? I have no idea who this person is, nor am I familiar with the delusional ex-chief, the fiasco's or anything else you're referring to in your last paragraph. In reaity, I'm not from Topeka or Lawrence and have no biased opinion about either town. In addition, your reply comments seem angry and have absolutely nothing to do with my statement. If you read my comments again, you'll find they are in favor of the club and Mr. Hall. I was simply asking why the person(s) that OWN Club Magic (persons on the lease/paying the taxes), not the owners of the building that it resides in, step forward and show the same support in image change as Mr. hall has. Never did I reference previous club owners.

In regards to LPD patrolling inside of the clubs prior to Club Magic, is not my concern nor did I address it originally. I asked a simple common question (because i do work in the professional field of LAW), did the LPD ask during their questioning of these shooting suspects, was the reason for your shooting(s) in anyway related to Club Magic? The suspects have the right to answer the question, or not. Do your homework, please.

If you are trying to defend the place, or Mr Hall and it seems that you are. You should tone it down a notch or two, and stop being so defensive...especially to my statement. If I was choosing 'sides' it would be for Club Magic to have another chance, and ONLY by way of Mr.Hall being so proactive to a situation.

You my friend, have issues....you can tell by your writings. Good luck in YOUR venture. Good thing your not the GM or their PR person, if so, I would not be so favorable. If Mr Hall knows you, if I were him I would demand you stop trying to defend and halt your rants. As we all can see, this rant isn't the first one. At least make them intelligent and worthy!

Nighty night 'Smitty'

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