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bernard (Anonymous) says…

Amazing how desparate Republicans are to attack Governor Kathleen. Senator, get off your rhetorical duff and find something of value to work on. You are an embarrassment to the State of Kansas.

nettieb (Anonymous) says…

Wow.

Really Huelskamp?

How pathetic.

craigers (Anonymous) says…

I'm a republican, but people like this make me not want to claim it. Do something that matters. Who cares if the game was at the governor's house? Are you saying you never had your parent's hold some of your stuff? It's good to see some more wasting of our money going on in Topeka.

overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…

We are so doomed if this is what we are electing people to do.

Eride (Anonymous) says…

It is pathetic that our governor even had to make this statement.

The fact that our state legislature is blatantly wasting valuable time and funds on an issue that is obviously nothing more than a political attack with NO basis is asinine.

Welcome to Kansas, home to intelligent design.

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

I'd say Fed Ex tracking is a pretty confirmed basis.
If it's a crime to sell things out of the gov. mansion, then this has a point, board game or cars, whatever it could be.
If any other job place had restrictions, would the employer (or their insurance) allow it?
Now, do I think KS has a lot more important things to work on..of course.
i just hope he doesn't make a lot of 900 calls when he visits home, that wouldn't be good.

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

The three stooges of the Kansas Legislature:

Neufeld
Kinzer
Huelskamp

smgkag (Anonymous) says…

Is it appropriate for state employees to use their state-provided computers to run their Tupperware, Avon, or Amway business? If not, then why would it be appropriate for John Sebelius to use state property to run his business?

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

How about The Three Schmucks?

geekin_topekan (Anonymous) says…

Hey Dolly,when life deals lemons,make lemonade!!

I am happy that she is able to turn negativity into a tool of commerce.Shows her resourcefulness and diverse thinking.Good work Kathy,nothin' but love.

compmd (Anonymous) says…

I'm really curious how the senator determined the originating address. I have UPS and FedEx shipments coming and going daily, and the tracking does not provide an originating address. He must have called them up and asked for some detailed information about the package.

What's more troubling in my eyes is that the senator has dedicated time and effort to make a case against a person who happens to be related to a political foe.

This whole mess reminds me of the wonderful congressional investigations and hearings about baseball players taking performance enhancing drugs. We are fighting two wars, our economy and education are going to crap, and somehow congress has the time and resources to dedicate to juiced baseball players.

Nerf the neocons.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“I'd say Fed Ex tracking is a pretty confirmed basis.
If it's a crime to sell things out of the gov. mansion, then this has a point, board game or cars, whatever it could be.”

This isn't necessarily true. You can create your Fed Ex account with whatever address you want, but that does NOT mean that the item shipped from that address.

inklines (Anonymous) says…

Is the game illegal or is it just offensive? If it is illegal, then we have a state senator who has purchased, and is in possession of, illegal goods. If it is offensive, then he has contributed to the game creators profits and use of the state-owned residence/distribution center by purchasing
the product.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

So I guess it would be fine for all the legislators children to use the Capital building as headquarters for their private business? Or should they have to pony up for office or business property?

How many of your employers allow you to use company property for personal business use?

janeyb (Anonymous) says…

“Is it appropriate for state employees to use their state-provided computers to run their Tupperware, Avon, or Amway business? If not, then why would it be appropriate for John Sebelius to use state property to run his business?”

Is John a state employee? Is Kathleen's name on the business venture? Cedar Crest is the Sebelius's home while Kathleen is in office. I think a governor and his or her partner are even allowed to have sex there. Imagine!!!
******************************
Neufeld
Kinzer
Huelskamp

When you see these names listed like this they are kind of freaky. They read like a list of war criminals from WWII.
*******************************
Are you playing John's game on family night Huelskamp? Or did you draw the short straw when the conservative right got together at the Statehouse? They have you draw first Huelskamp, because all the straws are short.

RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…

“This whole mess reminds me of the wonderful congressional investigations and hearings about baseball players taking performance enhancing drugs - compmd

I suppose you would be opposed to senate investigation of the fluoridation of apple pies?
Its all about the decline of American values and the underlying communist subversion.

Damn people without lapel flag pins….

rdave13 (Anonymous) says…

Sen. Tim Huelskamp please go back to sleep ….you were much more effective. Thanks for everything you do.

Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

While we'd certainly be better off if extremist theocratic bullies like Huselkamp were run out of the state on a rail, it does not excuse the fact that Sebelius allowed her son to use Cedarcrest as the main address for his business. At best, it's shows a poor lack of judgement; at worst, it's inappropriate use of a taxpayer asset.

The “merchandise” in this situation is irrelevant. The game could be called “What Would Jesus Do?” and it would still be wrong.

Sebelius is out of line, telling legislators what to waste their time on. That's what voters are supposed to do at the ballot box.

livingstone (Anonymous) says…

compmd

“We are fighting two wars, our economy and education are going to crap, and somehow congress has the time and resources to dedicate to juiced baseball players.”

Well said!!!!! Who cares what those baseball players consume? I was puzzled why our congress even bother about this at all? Sure, what they did may amount to a crime, ain't that the job of a local judge or some sport industry's problems? The congress should dedicate their time to solve the problems we're facing right now, like catching OBL, improve our research facilities/capabilities, creating more industries to provide more jobs, how to deal with terrorisms in other countries that will affect US, trade negotiations, and even nuclear issues!

Oh, I forgot, Bush used to have some connections with a baseball team right?

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

I have not seen this game, are you sure it about prision life? It might be about life with his mother!!

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

I wonder if these three legislators would be having a fit if the governor's child were selling Girl Scout cookies and storing them at Cedar Crest. I doubt it…

blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

“This whole mess reminds me of the wonderful congressional investigations and hearings about baseball players taking performance enhancing drugs. We are fighting two wars, our economy and education are going to crap, and somehow congress has the time and resources to dedicate to juiced baseball players.”

Another big AMEN!

monkeywrench1969 (Anonymous) says…

I can't believe I am even responding, but why are people worrying about a game that should be labeled “look at me” or “I am edgy becasue I am shocking”. It is a self published game based off a school project. A Pretty lit weight version of “Oz”. The more attention it gets the more both sides of this “perceived issue” get press. With the whole Reality TV thing in full swing any attention is considered good attention.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Girl scout cookie revenue goes to a non profit orginization for children. Drop the soap is a for profit venture for a 23 y/o child. Big difference.

monkeywrench1969 (Anonymous) says…

BTW Mouse Trap has more creativity than this one. Look at the contact address.

http://www.gilliusinc.com/dropsoap.html

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

Maybe Huelskamp has experience with 'dropping the soap' and is therefore a bit touchy about the issue.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Girl scout cookie revenue goes to a non profit orginization for children. Drop the soap is a for profit venture for a 23 y/o child. Big difference.”

How so? George, please show where the law has been broken. If you cannot, then you have no point and it is time to stop crying.

coolmarv (Anonymous) says…

The other GW asks
“How many of your employers allow you to use company property for personal business use?”

Heck, I'm doing it right now.

toefungus (Anonymous) says…

Does the law really matter? This is nothing but politics, which is fair game.

acg (Anonymous) says…

Dollypawpaw (Anonymous) says…

Another sly back door endorsement of her son's game.

If its no big deal Kathy, why are you bringing it up? If you are such a big person, why don't you rise above the issue?

Is it because you can't ?

LOL. How dumb you are, dolly, never ceases to amaze me. I believe the article was quite clear. She wasn't the one to bring this up. Some sad little repubican who started the investigation is the one to bring it up. I don't find the game racist at all. If the morons in prison aren't smart enough to keep their moronic asses out of prison, then too bad. The rest of us have every right to make fun of them for being such worthless drains on society.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Defender if you can't see the difference maybe it is time to put down the bong and move out of your parents basement.

monkeywrench1969 (Anonymous) says…

This is a preemptive strike against the Gov due to rumors she may be a potential Obama running mate.

I like the advertising hook…Limited addition game and certificate of authenticity…like it is going like hot cakes.

monkeywrench1969 (Anonymous) says…

Sucker…

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dont-drop-the-soap-p…

Crossfire (Anonymous) says…

I hear that the game has been real hit in Lansing and that it is catching on in Leavenworth.

Mr. Huelskamp,
Conjugal visiting day is Sunday.
Anferney and Wheelz are waiting.

BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

Shouldn't everyone give the kid a break? He's 23 and still lives at home. That in itself should be telling about our state's economy.

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

“Defender if you can't see the difference maybe it is time to put down the bong and move out of your parents basement.”

––––––

Because, of course, if someone doesn't agree with you, they must be a pothead, right george?

I guess your douchebaggery isn't limited to the coal plant issue, huh george?

Perhaps you should examine your own irrational dislike of our state's Governor, george.

rachaelisacancer (Anonymous) says…

“How many of your employers allow you to use company property for personal business use?”

Ummm… aren't we all at work? I am…

chemegirlie (Anonymous) says…

What if the govnor had a teenager that decided he/she was going to make some extra money in the winter by shoveling snow. He/she stores the snow shovel in the garage and has customers call his house (the govnors mansion) when they want their walk shoveled.

Would there be the same uproar?

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says…

gl0ck0wner,

That issue becomes cloudy when the “public” building in question is essentially a private residence.

gogoplata (Anonymous) says…

I agree with Sebelius on this one.

dumas (Anonymous) says…

I think Huelskamp is just jealous he didn't have the idea for the game. He also is still bitter that he was picked last for dodgeball in the first grade.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Defender if you can't see the difference maybe it is time to put down the bong and move out of your parents basement.”

Is that why you're crying so much George, that your bong is empty? Wow, sorry you lost the argument, but there is no reason to be a complete jerk.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

compmd (Anonymous) says…

“This whole mess reminds me of the wonderful congressional investigations and hearings about baseball players taking performance enhancing drugs. We are fighting two wars, our economy and education are going to crap, and somehow congress has the time and resources to dedicate to juiced baseball players.”

“Nerf the neocons.”

Maybe you're a few years behind in the news. While I agree that the investigation into steroids in baseball is a ridiculous use of Congress' time (what on earth does the House Committee on Oversight and Government have to do with freakin' baseball???), you just *might* remember that this is a Democrat-controlled congress wasting their time, not the “neocons.”

As for this particular issue, as a former state employee (in a different state) and a former federal employee, I know there are usually pretty strict rules in place governing the use of state property for personal reasons, especially for running any kind of a business. It doesn't matter if he's not a state employee, he's still using state property - when I worked for the government, I couldn't let, say, my wife use a state-owned laptop to run an E-bay business.

And on top of everything else, it's pretty cheezy to run a retail operation selling boardgames out of our chief executive's home.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Defender, why would a 23 y/o man be selling girl scout cookies from anywhere? And yes there is a difference between raising money for a non profit youth orginization and selling a game to put money in your pocket.

I hope he makes a million with this game, he just needs to not use taxpayor assets to house his private venture. Yes it is his parents temporary residence but the citizens of kansas pay the taxes, utilities, and up keep. If he wants to live there he needs to rent some space zoned for business.

I have not lost anything, nor do I own a bong.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Notajayhawk is now calling Henry Waxman a neocon. LOL

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Logic writes
“Because, of course, if someone doesn't agree with you, they must be a pothead, right george?

I guess your douchebaggery isn't limited to the coal plant issue, huh george?”

Thank you logic, this is more fun than a child can have at Disney World. I seriously cannot quit laughing, that was good.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

“Notajayhawk is now calling Henry Waxman a neocon. LOL”

Having trouble in your English as a second language course, george? The word “not” pretty much should have given you a clue that I was disputing compmd's linking of the “neocons” to the Oversight and Government committee's wasting time on the baseball investigation, not agreeing with him. Please do try to keep up.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Sorry its hard for us western Kansas douchebags to keep up.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“I have not lost anything, nor do I own a bong.”

Uh, yes you did, and apparently you do. You think you're going to foist that kind of crap on me and not get it right back?

Once again, show me what law was broken. Also, show me proof that the games were stored at the mansion. Not only that, but did this make the taxpayers pay more for the bills on the mansion? No, it has not, even if the games were there. But it is costing us for this moron of a representative to waste his time on partisan bullcrap. Of course, you have no problem with wasting money on partisan bickering as long as it supports your view. Not a sign of intelligence, george.

Ever stored anything at your parents house before? Sorry, but this gripe of yours is stupid, absolutely purely stupid and nothing but partisan foolishness.

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

“Sorry its hard for us western Kansas douchebags to keep up.”

Clearly it is, as your focus on my use of Girl Scout cookies as a reference has clouded your ability to see that I am making a broader example. For the mouthbreathers posting on this story, the quote below is where you lose this argument.

“Huelskamp last week called on the state attorney general to investigate the marketing and sale of the prison-themed game called Don’t Drop the Soap.”

The three moronic state legislators, along with many posters here today don't seem to get this? Huelskamp isn't going after him for any of the other stuff he sells on his website, just those that he finds offensive? It's fine to be offended, and it is fine to want to investigate, but the disingenuous nature of this effort is as clear as day. And you're going to sit there and say this isn't politically motivated? Gimme a break.

merrill (Anonymous) says…

YES! to Governor Kathleen Sebelius

The Bush PNAC Neoconservative wannnbe's are worse than the originals. Losers is the word.

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

No, what I will sit here and tell you is if the gov had let Bremby approve the air permits this would not be happening.

And I will sit here and tell you that if the permits are not issued Western Kansas with the leadership posts that it holds will kill the Manhattan Airport Project and any other economic devlopment for Eastern Kansas that comes up.

Yes this is all politically motivated, thats the way the game is played. You vote for mine, I vote for yours. And to prove it the coal plant legislation is very close to veto proof. So now it is your turn to tell me your name calling is not politicallly motivated.

In WK we are paying 8-10 cents a kw for power. We currently have one coal generator that supplies power to half of the state. We are using it all and need more, and are trying to build more, and to keep the cost/kw low need to sell power to cover all the fixed cost associated with the plants. We get 15% of the power and Colorado pays for it. If not our cost per kw goes to 20 cents or higher.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Richard, I have a funny feeling you'd feel quite differently if Kline's daughter was selling a creationist board game out of a public office space.”

So you have proof that these are being sold out of the mansion, glock? And when did the mansion become public office space? While the mansion is paid for by the taxpayers, it is not 'office space', it is a home. This is just political grandstanding, pure and simple.

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

“And I will sit here and tell you that if the permits are not issued Western Kansas with the leadership posts that it holds will kill the Manhattan Airport Project and any other economic devlopment for Eastern Kansas that comes up.”

Typical Republican that believes that quid pro quo attacks are A-OK.

“So now it is your turn to tell me your name calling is not politicallly motivated.”

My name calling is not politically motivated, it is intellectually motivated.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Not only that, but did this make the taxpayers pay more for the bills on the mansion? No, it has not, even if the games were there.”

It doesn't matter if it cost more for the mansion. Again, if I had a government owned laptop I was allowed to take home, and a family member used it for an internet business (or if one of my kids used it to get to PBS kids online), it wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything, but it's still a prohibited use.

The fact is that by using a state-owned property to operate a business, he is deriving personal economic benefit (i.e., he doesn't have to pay for rent on a storefront or home of his own to operate the business) from that use of state-owned property, and he's not someone who's even entitled to use that property - except to live there - for anything, since he was not the person elected to office. What if the governor's son was an attorney instead of a board game designer, and there happened to be a vacant office in the state office building? Would it be okay if he set up shop there?

“While the mansion is paid for by the taxpayers, it is not 'office space', it is a home.”

Okay, it's his home (actually it's not his, it's his mother's, for now). But it's still owned by us, the taxpayers. A government official may have a state-issued car they're allowed to use for personal transportation, such as commuting back and forth to work. Can their kids use it to deliver Domino's pizzas or newspapers or otherwise engage in a profit-making business?

georgeofwesternkansas (Anonymous) says…

Who did I call a name(other than myself)??

Intellectual arguments do not include name calling. Maybe you could try to get over yourself, I am quite sure you are not the smartest person in town.

napoleon969 (Anonymous) says…

The suggestion that calling the three legislators the 3 Stooges was wrong because they were really quite intelligent is good. How about Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest?

SWGlassPit (Anonymous) says…

I love it!

Sebelius to Huselkamp: STFU and GBTW.

fletch (Anonymous) says…

“he just needs to not use taxpayor assets to house his private venture.”

You mean his bedroom? Seriously? You're all mad because a kid is sitting in his bedroom making board games by hand? That really ticks you off? You need a flippin' government investigation of this? You're really that small and petty?

I'm just going to call this like I see it: If this whole story is an actual issue for you, then you're just a persnickety curmudgeon with an ax to grind. Grow up.

merrill (Anonymous) says…

“Huelskamp said he purchased a copy of the game recently. He said he found out through FedEx that his order was picked up at Cedar Crest. He said the governor’s mansion should not be used to store the game.”

Huelskamp the detective whoaaaaaaa.

I say it's time to quit storing Huelskmp in Topeka on the state payroll.

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“It doesn't matter if it cost more for the mansion. Again, if I had a government owned laptop I was allowed to take home, and a family member used it for an internet business (or if one of my kids used it to get to PBS kids online), it wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything, but it's still a prohibited use.”

Show me the law. If you cannot, then you have no point.

“The fact is that by using a state-owned property to operate a business, he is deriving personal economic benefit (i.e., he doesn't have to pay for rent on a storefront or home of his own to operate the business) from that use of state-owned property, and he's not someone who's even entitled to use that property - except to live there - for anything, since he was not the person elected to office.”

Is that a 'fact'? I don't see where anyone has shown it to be a fact that the games were stored there. And please provide links to the restrictions on use of the governers mansion.

“What if the governor's son was an attorney instead of a board game designer, and there happened to be a vacant office in the state office building? Would it be okay if he set up shop there?”

Once again, that is a public office, not a home. Now, if he were using any public supplies whatsoever, then yes, it would be a problem.

“Can their kids use it to deliver Domino's pizzas or newspapers or otherwise engage in a profit-making business?”

I don't see how storage can be considered the same as wear and tear on a car, along with the associated gas and insurance costs. This is completely different, not a good analogy.

jayhawklawrence (Anonymous) says…

This is just the same old game for these Kansas Republicans.

State of Kansas vs. Melvin Neufeld

(Blackmailing fellow legislator)

http://www.kscourts.org/cases-and-opinio…

I imagine Huelskamp and Nuefeld and getting a big laugh over this waste of our time.

BrianR (Anonymous) says…

Huelskamp, Neufeld, and Kinzer are on the verge of triggering an epidemic of coulrophobia. George hits rock bottom and starts digging. There are people seriously talking about coal. Coal. JHC on a stick.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Show me the law. If you cannot, then you have no point.”

You wouldn't know a point if it was stuck in your eye.

For those who don't already have their minds blindly made up like Defenseless, I'll just note that the rules regarding the use of state property are generally part of employee policies. While her son may not be subject to those, the governor is, and it's her responsibility to ensure that family members that have access to state-owned property are in compliance with acceptable use, no different than if he had been using her state computer to do his shipping with FedEx.

“Is that a 'fact'? I don't see where anyone has shown it to be a fact that the games were stored there.”

At the moment the information available says the shipment was picked up there. Do your whining to FedEx. Or maybe you can tell us the governor's son has a home or storefront someplace else? Gee, didn't think so.

“And please provide links to the restrictions on use of the governers mansion.”

Why, sure, moron, I'll just “provide links” to the governor's personnel file so you can see what she signed.

Can you possibly be that obtuse?

“Now, if he were using any public supplies whatsoever, then yes, it would be a problem.”

So state-owned supplies are a problem but state-owned facilities and equipment are not?

“I don't see how storage can be considered the same as wear and tear on a car, along with the associated gas and insurance costs. This is completely different, not a good analogy.”

Oh, and storage is free for other businesses in this state? I'm sure they'll be happy to know that.

Geez you're a troll.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Basically this is not too different than the Lincoln Bedroom hullabaloo. And no, I'm not picking on Clinton, it's my understanding that presidents of both parties let large contributors spend the night in the White House, and I'm not happy when any president does it. If they're going to rent out a room in a building that belongs to the taxpayers, then the money contributed shouldn't go into the coffers of either political party or to one person's campaign fund, it should go into the federal treasury.

If the governor's son is operating a profit-making business from state-owned property, and those profits are enhanced by free use of that property for storage of his product and as a base of operations (that he would otherwise have had to pay rent for somewhere else), then he owes the taxpayers money. And yes, it's up to the governor to ensure that the use of state property by her family is permissable under state employee policy, and it's somewhat improper for her to tell a state legislator who has reasonable cause to believe those policies are being abused to forget about it and “get back to work.”

jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

I'm sick of do nothing and do nothing constructive policos. This is a non story, listen to the governor and get back to work for the people or we will replace you.

Eride (Anonymous) says…

“If the governor's son is operating a profit-making business from state-owned property, and those profits are enhanced by free use of that property for storage of his product and as a base of operations (that he would otherwise have had to pay rent for somewhere else), then he owes the taxpayers money.”

I don't see a citation for your opinion that you so eloquently stated as a fact.

1. You don't know for sure what the exact classification of the governors mansion is. Stating it is state-owned and that it can't be used for anything other than state business sounds ridiculous considering the point of the mansion is to act as a private residence for the governor. So for you to state that as a fact without citing anything that actually *shows* it is a fact makes your entire post pointless.

2. You don't cite any relevant statutes, case law, administrative codes, etc supporting your basis that he owes the tax payers money if he did indeed keep a few boxes in storage at his mothers place of residence.

The list goes on. I am not meaning to pick on just you since several other people stated the same opinions erroneously as facts as you did, you just happened to be the last post so I quoted you.

The reality is, a political hack with a grudge accused the governor of improprieties in public with no proof, no bases in law, etc. Stating that the situation is illegal, or that the governor owes the tax payers money in a way that implies that your opinion is actually reality is helping that idiot get exactly what he wants from his personal smear campaign.

If you believe the situation is wrong feel free to make that opinion known, but try to avoid stating your opinions to the legality of it as if it is a fact.