Archive for Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Gov. Brownback signs into law concealed carry measure; campuses exempt for four years

April 17, 2013


— Gov. Sam Brownback signed into law a bill that loosens restrictions on carrying concealed weapons into public buildings, but don't expect any guns to be allowed on campus at Kansas University any time soon.

The law permits universities, community colleges and technical colleges to prohibit concealed guns in their buildings for another four years.

"Our students would rather not have them," said KU Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little. "There is not a group on campus as a whole that would prefer to have concealed carry on campus."

Kansas Board of Regents Chairman Tim Emert said the regents would start studying the issue of concealed carry and get input from experts and legislators. "That doesn't mean there will be any changes," he said. The current policy is no concealed carry at institutions of higher education.

Regent Vice Chair Fred Logan Jr. said the regents will probably discuss the issue further this fall.

The law, which takes effect July 1, also allows state agencies and local governments to continue banning concealed weapons through 2017, but it requires them to declare publicly that they've developed plans for adequate security for their buildings.

The law also won't make people with valid state permits subject to criminal prosecution if they carry concealed weapons into a building, though officials can direct them to remove the gun or leave.

State university officials have expressed strong opposition to allowing concealed weapons on campuses. If the regents wanted to maintain the no-guns policy for state universities indefinitely, they'd have to lobby lawmakers to rewrite the law again.

The concealed carry legislation cleared the Republican-dominated Legislature earlier this month with four-fifths majorities in both chambers. Brownback signed it the same day he signed another measure declaring that the federal government has no authority to regulate guns, ammunition and accessories that are manufactured, sold and kept only in Kansas.

"The right to bear arms has long been among those constitutional rights held most sacred by the citizens of Kansas," Brownback said in a statement Wednesday.

Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association, welcomed Emert's comments about the regents re-examining their concealed-carry policy. She said gun-rights advocates should be included in any discussions.

"We're not going to be satisfied until everybody is able to exercise their rights," she said.

But regent Dan Lykins, a Topeka attorney, said he saw no need to change the policy because campuses are now safe. Kansas State University officials don't see "any place" for guns on campus "with the exception of the police force," President Kirk Schulz said.

Legislators approved the gun-rights bills in the wake of discussions among federal officials about new gun-control measures following December's mass, fatal shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school. But Sen. Forrest Knox, an Altoona Republican who's a leading advocate for both gun-rights measures, said many of their provisions have been reviewed by state lawmakers for several years.

Lawmakers enacted a law allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in 2005 over then-Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' veto, and the state began issuing permits in 2006. Since then, some legislators like Knox have been frustrated because they believe the regents and local officials have been too quick to prohibit guns in their buildings, using the power granted to them to bar weapons simply by posting notices at entrances.

"Kansas citizens who are licensed to carry are law-abiding citizens. There is no danger from them," Knox said. "The problem is not guns."

Knox and Stoneking said they expect many schools, particularly in rural areas, to allow employees to carry concealed. They said if there is an attack on a school, students would be protected before law enforcement officers arrived.

"Those no-gun signs are a complete irrelevance to any criminal or mentally ill person," Stoneking said.

But former first-grade teacher Jennifer Johnson said she believed there were other ways to improve schools' security.

"And it would be very easy for faculty to have an accident with a gun or for somebody with mental instability to snap," said Johnson, 28, of Overland Park.


lawrenceguy40 5 years, 1 month ago

Thank-you Governor Brownback. This article is written from a liberal viewpoint and only focuses on one aspect of the law that didn't actually make it this time, this legislation is a major boost for the safety of the people of the now great State of Kansas.

We can also rejoice in today's news from the Senate in DC. toomey, collins, mccain and kirk had better start thinking about new vocations.

chootspa 5 years, 1 month ago

I take it you've never read the editorials on this paper.

Bobby Burch 5 years, 1 month ago

You realize The World Company is owned by several conservatives, right?

Gina Becker 5 years, 1 month ago

No, but it has been appropriated by dirty people. In the classical sense, it implies a people free of too much government control. Now, it implies control freaks and those who like to be controlled.

Bobby Burch 5 years, 1 month ago

Odd because, as a conservative, I would think that legislating a person's medical choices — such as if a mother must abort a child to live — would be considered "too much government control." Funny (actually depressing) how that works. Brownie is just as much into control as those liberals you're afraid of

elliottaw 5 years, 1 month ago

watch as the crime rate and gun related accidents rise

Jeff Rice 5 years, 1 month ago

I'd be willing to bet that it doesn't

elliottaw 5 years, 1 month ago

then you need to do some research, nothing point to more guns equaling less gun related crimes and accidents. there is a reason the US has more than 7x the percentage of gun related crimes then the next country.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 1 month ago

Across the country the data shows just the opposite. But you already know this I'm sure.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 1 month ago

Exactly. And when you can show me data that legal gun owners committed these will have a valid point. Until then your admission that "The crime rate rises every year" only justifies the need to uphold the constitution and continue to allow people to defend themselves. Thanks for making my point.

elliottaw 5 years, 1 month ago

the numbers of gun crimes continues to grow at the breakneck speed, what other stats do you need? Do you not think that this is because of more guns, or that gun owners are not responsible if their guns are stollen, or that is is legal to sell you gun to your neighbor that may have just gotten out of jail as long as you claim that you didn't know.

mdlund0 5 years, 1 month ago

Blind assertions without evidence to back them up are not helpful in this debate.

MyName 5 years, 1 month ago

Safe from who or what exactly? The last few incidents had the loonies wearing body armor FFS, and your pistol is going to do nothing for you when it comes to concealed high explosive bombs. This law is dumb, useless, and will have hardly any effect at all other than showing exactly how messed up the current GOP legislative priorities are.

This law is to School Safety what the photo ID law is to Elections Fraud: A solution in search of a problem.

skull 5 years, 1 month ago

How exactly is this article written from a liberal viewpoint? Because it is written in a newspaper? It contains nothing but a bit of history of gun legislation in Kansas and opinions on both side of the issue. Is it a liberal viewpoint because it actually shows that there ARE two sides to the issue?

JayhawkFan1985 5 years, 1 month ago

I like the way Brownbackward is for the US constitution when it align with his wacky agenda but belittles it when it doesn't. The constitution isn't an a la carte menu. We have a right to privacy, and health care should be solely between a doctor and patient. Lets also not forget the whole well regulated militia clause to the 2nd amendment...

Mark Currie 5 years, 1 month ago

The bill sent to the Gov. was veto proof. I can agree that there are students at KU I wouldn't trust with a squirt gun, some instructors too. I have a hard time telling a Veteran that just came home from Iraq & has a cch that they can't carry. I haven't called anyone names on here, ever, but many of those that don't agree with me don't have a problem calling me a redneck or uneducated, of which I am neither. I carry when I can, honor all posted signs, and don't carry into peoples homes, unless I know it is OK. Most of the time I still don't carry. I have had more training than just what is required by the State of Kansas for a cch, am very careful what I carry & how I carry it. To look at me, you would never know. That is the way it is supposed to be. If a madman wants to kill, they will find a way. I don't want them hurting my family or myself, or some other innocent person. And yes I am aware about the guy in Olathe that was dumb enough to carry in his pocket without a proper pocket holster. I have had my life threatened 3 times by students with mental problems. The current law says a person with mental problems cannot buy a gun. In the case of that wacko in Newtown, his Mom bought the guns, then didn't keep them in a safe. I don't mean a cheap security cabinet, I mean a gunsafe. Yes they are expensive, but worth every penny. Something in that whole Lanza family seems wrong to me. I would like to see more security in all of our schools, and public buildings. We don't seem to have the money for this, but we can spend 25 million on a rec center at 10 highway & plowed ground, a library in the day of electronic books and info. Our high schools have finest available sports complexes, but in building security is a joke.

kernal 5 years, 1 month ago

I'm all for people being allowed to carry concealed. The part that riles me about the gun control debate is those who don't want to include background checks. Leaving that step out of the equation is naive and irresponsible.

Mark English 5 years, 1 month ago

I completely agree with you. I am a CCH holder and I would not want someone Joe Shmoe off the streets that has zero instruction on how to shoot or someone who has a criminal history above speeding tickets to be carrying a weapon along side me or anyone else for that matter.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 1 month ago

Here's the problem Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little and the unwise students with the same juvenile opinions: Constitutional rights do not change with the winds of public opinion. Who cares what people on campus want? It's not about them. It's about an American's right to protect themselves. That's it.

elliottaw 5 years, 1 month ago

They have the right to say what things are welcomed on their land

Jonathan Fox 5 years, 1 month ago

It's not their land, it's my land; state property.

Bobby Burch 5 years, 1 month ago

Haha you're an idiot. The students pay to Kansas i.e. just as much theirs as it is yours.

vuduchyld 5 years, 1 month ago

Ha act as if it's unconstitutional NOT to carry!

Of course, that may be what it is coming to. "Welcome to KU. You'll need a laptop computer...and if you don't have a gun, one will be provided for you."

kuguardgrl13 5 years, 1 month ago

Excuse me, I believe my out of state tuition is close to or more than what you pay in taxes. If the student body is in agreement, then of course we should be allowed to ban guns on our campus. Don't like it? Don't come to campus. If you're not a student, faculty member, parent, or alum, you have very little reason to come up here anyway. Knock on wood we haven't had an incident with gun violence while I've been a student. I commend the administration and the regents for putting the safety of students and faculty above politics. I worry for the other public buildings that will now be subject to this law, especially the schools.

skull 5 years, 1 month ago

"The law also won't make people with valid state permits subject to criminal prosecution if they carry concealed weapons into a building, though officials can direct them to remove the gun or leave."

Nothing like protecting criminals with know, that thing we all need guns to protect us from.

chzypoof1 5 years, 1 month ago

You totally misread that. People with VALID they aren't criminals. You might want to go to the local $18 million library and brush up on your reading skills.

skull 5 years, 1 month ago

Actually poof, I can read just fine. Anyone carrying a gun where they are not supposed to would be violating the law, whether their permit is valid or not. If it doesn't protect criminal activity, why would the amendment protect the perpetrator from "criminal prosecution?"

See you at the library.


chzypoof1 5 years, 1 month ago

You contradicted yourself there. If they are not subject to "criminal prosecution", then they aren't charged with a crime. Again, you prove my point. You ignore the fact that CRIMINALS that want to inflict harm, won't follow the law. This bill gives Law Abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves.

Dam the logic....

skull 5 years, 1 month ago

Actually you don't have to prosecuted to be a criminal, just break the law. Lots of criminals are never charged with ANYTHING. I've broken many laws I've never been charged with.

The amendment itself is written to neuter existing limitations on where one could carry a gun legally. Basically, even though everyone knows that I'm not allowed to carry a gun on campus, including me, I will. And when I'm found, for whatever reason, to be carrying a gun where it is obviously posted and general knowledge that it is prohibited, I'm protected.

Why are we so worried about protecting "responsible" gun owners if they can't even be held responsible for their gun? I can legally drink, but not on a public sidewalk. If you consider yourself responsible enough to carry a loaded gun capable of ending someone's life, shouldn't you also be responsible for knowing where you can lawfully do that?

Jonathan Fox 5 years, 1 month ago

Finally! Now I can defend myself on my campus and not just the store across the street, or walmart across town. The magical imaginary illusion of being safer on campus than across the street ends in Kansas.

Someone should let Kansas Board of Regents know that Pittsburg State University surveyed students and the majority of them want to be allowed to carry.

Paul Wilson 5 years, 1 month ago

Your family is asleep. I break into your house and am creeping around with a gun. Are you justified in shooting me? Of course you are. No sane American, police or judge will say no. Then what is the difference if I am walking through KU's campus with my family as an armed criminal opens fire on civilians? (Va Tech) Why does the logic somehow change and that I can't defend my family wherever I go?

voevoda 5 years, 1 month ago

Because when you are in a public space, Pork_Ribs, you are not in your own private space. In your home, you can know for sure whether someone is an invited guest in your private space, or an intruder. And yes, you can shoot to kill there.

But in public, who appointed you the guardian of public safety? How can you tell who is dangerous and who is not? Maybe that young man grabbing that shopping bag from an old lady is her grandson, trying to relieve her of a heavy burden. Maybe that person brandishing a weapon is just another wanna-be hero, like you, who nominated himself to do crowd control. Unless you have police or military training so you can use a firearm safely and react properly in an emergency, and you are part of a well regulated militia to ascertain that you haven't gone paranoid or weirdly attracted to guns and death, you aren't making anyone safer by carrying a weapon. If you are truly worried about your family's safety on the street, you'd be 100% in favor of strict gun control.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 1 month ago

Best comment, voevoda, and I thank you. You nailed it, well and truly.

greatgatsby 5 years, 1 month ago

He never said he was the guardian of public safety. He said why can't I defend my family? I don't think he said anywhere that he wanted to go charging into a situation guns a blazing.

mom_of_three 5 years, 1 month ago

BUT there was an assumption that they could tell who the bad guy was. If many people are carrying, and thinking the same as pork_ribs, and whip out their weapon, how does anyone know WHO the bad guy is? How do police know who the bad guy is if they see a bunch of cc holders carrying guns, hiding or running around? Is anyone gonna be able to differentiate between the criminal and the holder, besides, hopefully, the police?

Carol Bowen 5 years, 1 month ago

Where's the money for beefed up security? This looks like an unfunded mandate.

elliottaw 5 years, 1 month ago

the city can't afford to give money they have promised it to the Chamber of Commerce

dabbindan 5 years, 1 month ago

let's think about this for a moment kansas lawmakers and governor...

all cops carry. they're good people mostly. sometimes, however good cops can become unhinged. they have acted on impulse and have done pretty ugly things. or really go off and premeditate some pretty ugly things. and their service revolvers have been involved.

if you look at the group of cops and the group of concealed carry permit holders, i'd say it's likely that the cop group is more likely to be stable and unlikely to do bad things, so, now we have a group of gun toters who are likely to have SOME members who will at some time become unhinged and have the right to carry their firearm into any frickin' public building or courtroom or senate/house chamber if it is their wish to do so. if i was a judge/public official who potentially could create some ill will among the public, i'd sure like to feel safe from confrontation with a firearm in my office where anybody can find me.

does anyone remember news out of colorado or texas recently where public officials have come face to face with a firearm? yeah, i know it happened at home, but plenty of people have met their makers seated at their office desk when a disgruntled person with a gun came to get them. i lost a childhood friend to that very situation.

what it comes down to is there is a basic assumption that concealed permit holders are not vulnerable to the human frailties that beset us all. this is a false assumption.

kansas officials will likely come to regret this legislation. '

dabbindan 5 years, 1 month ago

i fear any class of people who are given a blanket free pass to carry a firearm into a building with public officials. public officials have to do unpopular things. it was a justice of the peace in texas who became unhinged and killed those officials and one's wife. wouldn't you think you have nothing to fear from a justice of the peace? anyone can become unhinged given the wrong/right combination of circumstances. our public officials don't need to become more vulnerable than they already are.

chzypoof1 5 years, 1 month ago

Angelus, your comment is the logical one, but people don't want to think logically for themselves anymore. They just spew the crap they see/hear on tv as truth. They don't want to know that crime drops when Conceal/Carry is implemented. They don't want you to defend your family, just wait for the cops to show up in 10 minutes. And the ultimate truth: Unstable/Criminal people will KILL regardless of Gun Laws. Lanza did it. Aurora guy did it. The Obama Gun Bill wouldn't have changed any of those shootings.

Conceal/Carry at least gives you a chance to defend yourself and your family.


skull 5 years, 1 month ago

Thanks, nobody spouted out the NRA talking points they saw/heard on tv yet. And the "Obama Gun Bill" was actually a bipartisan bill.

chzypoof1 5 years, 1 month ago

You can find the data Skull. I'm not a member of the NRA. I threw in the Obama part for fun. I figured someone would bring it up...and completely ignore the point.

Good job.

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 1 month ago

This is an authoritarian, big government law, telling universities that they will be forced to allow concealed carry of firearms on campuses.

This takes the decision away from university authorities and places it with the government.

Big government at its finest.

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