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House committee approves bill that requires candidates for state and federal offices to prove citizenship

February 16, 2012

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— Candidates for state and federal office in Kansas would have to prove their citizenship under a bill approved by a Kansas House committee.

Critics say the bill approved Wednesday by the House Elections Committee is inspired by the so-called birther movement, which has questioned President Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship.

But Rep. John Rubin, a Shawnee Republican who voted for the bill, says if the state is going to ask its citizens to prove they are U.S. citizens, candidates should face the same requirement.

The Topeka Capital-Journal reports that Rep. Ann Mah, a Democrat from Topeka, said called the bill "silliness to get at the president."

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bigtoe 3 years, 3 months ago

Good move. No one who wants to represent the citizens of Kansas should have any objection to demonstrating they are lawful citizens.

chocolateplease 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, we should really be worried about this. Foreign politicians masquerading as our own beloved born-in-america politicians is a major concern! Thank god we have hard-working republicans in this state who know when a new law is needed and don't mind spending countless hours and taxpayer dollars to get it on the books. Now I can sleep at night.

Alyosha 3 years, 3 months ago

There should be a requirement that there be an actual provable need for a law — not just the childish fears of lawmakers that something might happen — before it can be put before a committee, let alone enacted by the legislature.

Or do legislators have nothing better to do than spend time — and tax payer money — creating laws based on nothing but their fears / fantasies?

What's next, laws that deal with monsters under beds, or monsters in closets?

dcap 3 years, 3 months ago

The answer to a problem that does not exist.

globehead 3 years, 3 months ago

Absolutely GREAT! That's a major issue the legislature needs to tackle right away. We are currently over run with folks sneaking into the country in the dead of night, running for elective office. Perhaps we could even hire Donald Trump or one of the other merry band of mental pygmy birthers as consultants as they were so remarkably successful in exposing Obama to have been born in Kenya. Just when one thinks it couldn't get any dumber, an article appears about an idiotic proposal in the Kansas legislature and some turnip truck reject from Shawnee trying to talk it up as a good idea.. Geesh, my tax dollars at work again!!!

tomatogrower 3 years, 3 months ago

First, Trump would have to prove to me he's a citizen. How do we know he's not Canadian?

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

Well we already know his hair isn't :P

Many years ago I read a piece on graffiti found in Pompeii preserved by the erup tion that buried the town. One of them, translated said this: "Sulla says her her hair is hers Whoever would have thought it. Tis true, tis true, I know it's true For I know where she bought it!"

In 2000 years people will be translating something similar about the Trump's hair.

Bill Lee 3 years, 3 months ago

Everyone on the House committee needs to be defeated in their next run for office. They've proven how unfit they are.

Jan Rolls 3 years, 3 months ago

It should be retroactive. Why do we allow racists to get away with this stuff.

realisticvoter 3 years, 3 months ago

Why don't these idiots work on solving real problems?

somedude20 3 years, 3 months ago

Wow, all of this for little ole Obama. Imagine if President Obama was 100% African American, these racist zealots would start a war in our own country (which they kind of have) or they would just spontaneous combustion.

Your Jesus was a non-white, love your brother of color!

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

Are you being facetious? because if you're being serious, that's just sad.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

"Are you being facetious?"

The other possibility is pretty scary-- and hundreds of similarly idiotic posts indicate that we should be very afraid (because the legislators that voted for this are just as idiotic.)

jayhawk70 3 years, 3 months ago

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meggers 3 years, 3 months ago

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kernal 3 years, 3 months ago

"Why don't these idiots work on solving real problems?"

Some of these legislators, like some of our Congress, lack the knowledge and expertise to solve the tough problems that many of their predecessors didn't have to face, or created. So, to hide their inadequacies they keep throwing up camouflage such as this bill. Makes them feel useful and they hope to God their constituents don't notice.

WilburM 3 years, 3 months ago

Let's see -- income tax reform, aid to education, water policy, medicaid, KPERS -- and these clowns (Rs in a totally R-dominated house) spend their time and efforts on this malarkey. They want to tell us that they're serious, but they're not. Not at all. Is this what the Tea Party's fervor has produced? Pathetic.

jayhawks911 3 years, 3 months ago

Another unnecessary regulation from the anti-regulation party.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

Can I use your line in a letter to my congress person?

dwendel 3 years, 3 months ago

Hillbillies rejoice! We're all saved!

ksjayhawk74 3 years, 3 months ago

This plus the bill allowing religious people to discriminate against gays and lesbians will definitely get jobs rolling back into Kansas.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 3 months ago

Bob Dole can only provide the same proof of citizenship that Obama could provide.

dwendel 3 years, 3 months ago

Fear and hate! Fear and hate! All I've got is fear and hate! Better watch out, or the boogie man might get you. Better pass a law against the boogie man. I heard he's a liberal loon and coming to get chu and take away your guns. Sebilius was born in Kenya too, you know, after she was aborted by her own mother (abortion runs in the family -- all the libs do it). Hillbilllies rule, libs drool! It's Obama's fault (sorry, I almost forgot that part). He's a king clown -- I saw a picture of it on the internets so it's true. Trump for president! Oh yeah, I'm not a racist either. I just say a lot of hateful stuff about immigrants, brown people, asians and women (as far as I know they're a different race too). Better pass some laws to close the gap... God bless birthers and Real Americans!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

Again, it wasn't a racist comment at all, but rather a comment on the irony of hypocritical individuals who refuse to recognize their own (selective) racism.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

No terms of denigration were used.

And, really, who knows who reads these things?

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

Ummm guys, the only office requiring citizenship in the Constitution is the Presidency. Wouldn't any requirement for other Federal offices enacted by states be unconstitutional? I mean states can make that requirement; that's their right. But requiring it at the Federal level as well? I see a lawsuit in the future of this bill,(one more in a sea of lawsuits).

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh wait. My bad. They are just saying they have to be citizens, not natural born citizens. OK, go ahead and have fun. Although I do have to wonder how this will effect people currently serving in the legislature who are Native Americans as they are citizens of their tribe first and citizens of the US second. Hmm...could still trip them up.

deec 3 years, 3 months ago

Does babies born by Caesarian section count? Everybody knows that ain't natural.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

Legislatures in every state waste time and money all the time. They debate what the state dog should be. They honor past and dead residents. They do all sorts of things that are a waste. Even if you believe this is a waste of time, what the heck. It's done all the time in every state. When Obama welcomes the N.Y. Giants to the White House, will there be outrage because he's not doing his job, fixing the economy, etc.?
Much ado about nothing.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

So when are they going to get to that sticky ,"How many angels can dance on the head of s pin?", question.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

They can debate that if they wish. It's right up there with state dog, state flower, etc.

Kendall Simmons 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh no...we're going to argue about who should be our state angel now???

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

I vote for MIchael Row-The-Boat-Ashore.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

Although, on further thought, Lucifer might be more appropriate.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

When they debate the state dog, or entertain football teams, they know they aren't doing anything that needs doing-- just having fun (which, on second thought, also needs doing.)

But this bill is pure demagoguery, which does no one any good whatsoever.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

"Pure demagoguery" - isn't that a prerequisite for all politicians?
"does no one any good" - nor does it do any harm. Much ado...

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

When I returned to Kansas, I needed to bring my birth certificate with me when getting a drivers license. Is that requirement xenophobic? It was a very minor inconvenience, but not xenophobic. It wasn't racist, sexist, classist or any other form of discrimination. The same is true with this proposal. It would be xenophobic if it were required of people who had accents or were of a specific ethnicity, but it's not. It would be racist if it were required of members of certain races, but it's not. It would be sexist if it were required of one gender and not the other, but it's not. What this is is a requirement that a person prove what is already a requirement. Much ado.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

What is middle ground about making excuses for this idiocy?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

What about a loyalty oath? Would that be OK with you?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

Do you mean like the oath office the president takes, swearing to uphold the constitution? I'm O.K. with that. You?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

No, that's not what I meant. Apparently in your view we need McCarthyite witch hunt right here in Kansas.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

No, that's not right either. The article and this thread was about requiring proof of citizenship for those seeking elected office. That's quite different than for the general public. Yes, I'm O.K. with an oath being taken when an elected official takes that office, much like the President of The United States. No, I'm opposed to a member of the general public being required to take a loyalty oath. There is a difference in my mind. You?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

The point is that none of this has any practical value. It's nothing but warmed-over McCarthyism, and you approve. Pitiful.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

This makes twice you've said I favored McCarthyism and this makes twice I've denied that. Please stop trying to distort my opinions. I've drawn a clear distinction between elected officials who are required by law to be citizens in order to hold public office and the general public who are not required to be citizens in order to hold their jobs. Do you believe that elected officials need not be citizens? If so, then work towards that end within the political process we now have. However, if you don't believe that, if you agree with the requirement that elected officials do indeed need to be citizens, then proof of that citizenship is not xenophobia nor is it McCarthyism. No more than me needing to show a social security card when applying for a job.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

Sigh. It's a witch hunt. There is no problem with non-citizens running for elected office, and almost no chance they could get away with it if they did. For the legislature to get its panties in a twist over a non-problem is a version of McCarthyism.

If you can't see that, you are also infected with at least a mild case of it yourself.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

A witch hunt against whom? By definition, since the only people who can hold public office are citizens, and by your own admission, non-citizens running for public office is not happening, then the only people this could possibly apply to are citizens. Is that who you believe is being discriminated against with this proposal?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

"A witch hunt against whom?"

Huh? Do I really need to define for you the meaning of the phrase.

Hint-- look up Salem Witch Trials. Further hint-- there were no witches.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, define who, other than citizens running for public office will be effected by this proposal.
You know what this reminds me of, a person who pays income taxes throughout the year in the exact amount that they will owe at the end of the year. They will owe no additional tax nor will they get any refund. But we still require them to file an income tax form each year. A waste of time, maybe. But does it discriminate against anyone or any group in particular? No.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

No matter how often you try to make it so, apples will never be oranges.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 3 months ago

You've failed to show how this has any effect on anyone other than those seeking public office, who by definition are themselves citizens. You keep trying to expand this to a group that be definition cannot be included. Apples and oranges implies two groups. There is only one.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, but I'm fifth-generation Kansan on two sides of my family. I won't let this sort of idiocy run me out of the state.

JackMcKee 3 years, 3 months ago

Obama's might not win Kansas'6 EV! I'm sure that news just ruined his day.

kochmoney 3 years, 3 months ago

Man, it's like you're a cartoon character. A walking, talking parody.

dwendel 3 years, 3 months ago

He's just jealous that little Barry grew up and did great things with his life, while he's still stuck in two-bit Kansas trolling the internets. Little Barry was just a poor, one-parent bi-racial kid-- probably didn't have many of the the advantages that RC77 grew up with. Just shows the difference a little ambition and a good education can make. Class envy -- some have it, some don't.

ksjayhawk74 3 years, 3 months ago

Impressive list, but the other hand just about everything you mentioned is total BS.

Just to pick an a few...

More people were on food stamps under GWB.

What does Chicago not getting the Olympics have to do with Obama?

Israel has gotten lots and lots of support from Obama.

Acorn is not the scandal you think it is and had nothing to do with Obama.

Flea Party movement? What?

The Gulf oil spill was caused by BP oil and policies written under GWB.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

Oh and he thinks Little Ricky Santorum is a lot better.

KansasVoices 3 years, 3 months ago

How about legislation related to how long a resident has lived in the area they want to serve? Missouri says "One Year." Not so in Kansas. Do you want 125 State Representatives or 40 State Senators like Ben Hodge? Have Ego, Will Travel.

kochmoney 3 years, 3 months ago

Ah, poor Ben Hodge. There's a reason he's never been elected for two terms, anywhere.

Kirk Larson 3 years, 3 months ago

So when the President presents his birth certificate for the umpteenth time will these people shut the F* up?

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

(gasp!) No! Never! There's tear marks on that page that his long form certificate came from. See? There? No, no those aren't wiggly marks from security paper, they're tear marks, I tell ya! Besides I have it on very good authority that his step cousin twice removed, by marriage, swears he was born in Kenya. Whadaya mean she's never seen him and she's younger than he is and wasn't even around when he was born? She swears it, man! That's good enough for me!

camper 3 years, 3 months ago

In other news, there is a bill going around to name a state dog, and one for welfare recipients to be subject to drug tests. Then there is the tweeting incident (where an official got involved by contacting a high school), the house speaker passing along a bad e-mail, the voter id law, then the meetings at the mansion, then there was the decision to not greet the President when he came to Kansas, the SRS closings. The list is going on.

Seriously, there have to be some true Republicans that thinks there is a lot of baloney going on. Even if I were a Republican, I'd have to say I'd be ticked off.

Joe Hyde 3 years, 3 months ago

This Bill saddens me. Kansas could really use the services of some South African legislators hand-picked by Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela, then sneaked into the state by crop duster aircraft flying under radar.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

They should also have a clause to make sure that all candidates are pure human. Wouldn't want any candidates with Neanderthal or Orangutan genes slipping through.

verity 3 years, 3 months ago

I will support this bill if they also have to prove their sanity.

camper 3 years, 3 months ago

Things could be worse. The govenor of Wisconsin is starting to quote "Hannity" in public. That would be Sean Hannity.

TinmanKC 3 years, 3 months ago

I think there should be a law that requires candidates and office holders who claim to be called by God to be able to prove it. Something notarized in heaven, preferably. Oh, and let's require that candidates prove their sanity?

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 3 months ago

Pompeo? Sounds ethnicky to me. Better check.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 3 months ago

Yoder? That reeks of old Europe. Better check there, too.

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