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Kansas reforming some welfare rules

September 16, 2011, 4:49 p.m. Updated September 16, 2011, 6:06 p.m.

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— Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services Secretary Robert Siedlecki Jr. on Friday announced a host of policy changes for programs that provide assistance to low-income Kansans.

“These changes represent a significant change in policy, in that they treat all households equally, and create fairness across the system,” Siedlecki said in a news release.

Siedlecki said the changes would help eliminate fraud and abuse, and save from $10 million to $15 million, which would expand SRS’ programs to get folks back to work.

“Getting people jobs is our first priority,” Siedlecki said.

The new policies will affect programs that provide tens of thousands of Kansans with food stamps, child care assistance and temporary assistance. They are set to take effect starting Oct. 1 and should be fully in place by Jan. 1.

Many of the changes will affect the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program. TANF is available to families earning less than 32 percent of the federal poverty level. The federal poverty level for a family of four is $22,350, so 32 percent of that is $7,152 per year. The average monthly benefit under TANF is $290 per month; the maximum is $429 per month.

Here are the announced changes:

• All those receiving help under TANF will be required to participate in a job search at the time of application.

• Families may opt to receive a one-time payment of $1,000 for emergency hardships and forgo entry into the TANF program for one year.

• A “soft” 48-month lifetime limit will be imposed on TANF benefits.

• People who knowingly and deliberately commit fraud will lose eligibility permanently.

• The income of all members of a household will be included in calculating food stamp eligibility.

• The income of an unmarried boyfriend or girlfriend as part of a household will be counted to determine eligibility for temporary assistance and child care assistance.

• People receiving temporary assistance must provide proof that their children are enrolled in school.

• Child care assistance recipients will be required to work a minimum of 20 hours per week. Students already are required to work at least 20 hours per week.

In 2010, the TANF program served nearly 37,000 families per month, including 1,067 in Douglas County. Child care assistance had an average of 20,319 people per month, including 626 in Douglas County and nearly 260,000 Kansans received food assistance, including 7,208 in Douglas County.

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incensed2011 2 years, 7 months ago

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

This is not a black or white race issue. Baby Daddies are a direct result of the welfare system, as noted by many here. These criminals in my mind come from all races.

Nowadays these creeps feel when the baby momma is rewarded by more welfare money, they have done the father thing. In other words that is all the responsibility they have to the child.

Welfare cheats, and not all are cheats of course, are not dumb. Repeat are not dumb. States have tried and failed by not rewarding pregnant welfare mommies. Child suffers. Prove the daddy, child suffers. Children born into some welfare households, child suffers.

Years, no decades ago, judges had the authority to enlist deadbeats into the services. The Marines hated this, but did so much good with hapless people. Is it time to start this program up again?

Judge: Do you have the child support money? Baby Daddy: No your honor, been looking for a job. Judge: You are now 3 years behind on payments, But you are in luck today, report to Fort Leonard Wood in 24 hours.

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pusscanthropus 2 years, 7 months ago

What about the men who are "baby-daddy" to several women? How are they going to work that one out? Or the baby-mama who has several kids from different "baby-daddies." Oh...I forgot...Sam's going to give them an incentive to get married!!!

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Kat Christian 2 years, 7 months ago

What is a "soft" lifetime limit mean?

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Kat Christian 2 years, 7 months ago

WHAT????? SRS already treats everyone across the board. And what jobs are these recipients to find - there are not enough jobs to find and when they do they don't pay enough to support a family to be completely off assistance. Heard of the "Working Poor" there are alot of them in Kansas, because of the low (and pathetic) minimum wage of $2.56 per hour where the rest of the country is 7.96 per hr. (or thereof). Kansas should be embarrassed. Guess the Repulicans with money are trying to get back at Obama for raising their taxes by hurting the poor.

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Jaminrawk 2 years, 7 months ago

The real victims of these changes are going to be kids that have no control over what their parents do. Foster care is usually a terrible experience too, especially when there are a lot of kids. This isn't a war on fraud, it's a class war. The Repubs of Kansas kiss the rears of the rich and increase the burden of the poverty class. I'm not even in the poverty class and I think it's disgusting.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

I suggest one set of rules. These rules would apply to everyone eating from the government trough. Not only would people on SRS assistance be caught in this net, but big business like the new MARS plant in Topeka. Do we really know that "but for" all those government incentives that MARS wouldn't have opened the plant in Topeka? Maybe farmers should demonstrate that their incomes are below a certain level before they get farm subsidies? Etc...

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ralphralph 2 years, 7 months ago

Like it or not, the welfare state has brought about an ongoing cycle that encourages poor, young females to have babies that they cannot possibly afford to raise, sired by fathers who cannot possibly be counted on to participate in the child's upbringing, or even voluntarily provide any modicum of financial support to the child. Can you say, "Baby Daddy"?

Poor, young women --- particularly those of color --- are submitting to the servitude of bureaucrats and deadbeats. They see the programs which are designed to provide bare subsistence as the means to their independence, and they MUST have babies to get signed on. What they don't realize is that the funds provided by those programs are intended as a FLOOR, but when they decide to become single mothers, the program-provided standard of living also becomes their ceiling. Continuing that course is not compassionate, or intelligent, or progressive, or anything good.

Sam is a strange duck, and is cut from a cloth I don't care to don, but he is (perhaps inadvertently) onto something when he seeks to cut the cord of dependence that our welfare programs (perhaps inadvertently) have created and perpetuated.

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incensed2011 2 years, 7 months ago

LUV CRAZY KS-TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN THERE -RAISING 4 CHILDREN ALONE AND FIGHTING AGAINST THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL SRS PRACTICES HERE IN LAWRENCE & KS.IMPORTANT NEWS FOR EVERY WELFARE RECIPIENT;

I TOOK SRS ON IN THE COURTS AND WON IN 2007, SHAWNEE COUNTY DISTRICT COURT RULED THAT THE ENTIRE VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION POLICY HANDBOOK IS OF "NO FORCE AND EFFECT OF LAW"- NONE OF THE SRS POLICIES HAVE BEEN "PROMULGATED MEANINGTHEY OPERATE UNLAWFULLY AND DISCRIMINATORILY-GO TO KSCOURTS.ORG TYPE I N "MARTYNOWICZ" IN THE APPELLATE CASE INQUIRY BOX-NOT ONLY DID I WIN THE CASE-THE SHAWNEE COUNTY JUDGE REFUSED TO ENFORCE THE CASE, I WON THAT HEARING ON APPEAL-IT MEANT THAT ALL THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT THEY HAD BEEN STEALING CHILD SUPPORT FROM WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID BACK-THIS WAS AN UNPUBLISHED OPINION -WONDER WHY? CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS. TOOK THIS CASE ALL THE WAY TO THE US SUPREME COURT- BECAUSE THE KS APPELLATE COURT REMANDED THE CASE BACK TO THE SHAWNEE CO DISTRICT COURT THEY WERE LESS LIKELY TO HEAR THE APPEAL- THE US SUPREME COURT HELD A CONFERENCE ON THIS CASE BEFORE DENYING MY WRIT. GO TO WEBSITE AND TYPE "MARTYNOWICZ" IN UNDER DOCKET NAME AND CLICK ON THE CASE..WA LA..THE FUNNY- I HAVE NO LAW DEGREE BUT MANAGED TO EXPOSE THE LAWRENCE KS -KANSAS WELFARE SYSTEM FOR WHAT IT IS! YOU LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH A CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES YOU "EQUAL PROTECTION!" WHEN SRS REQUIRES YOU WORK-YOU CAN THROW YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS INTO THE RING AND LET THEM KNOW YOU DON'T WORK UNTIL DADDY WORKS..IF THEY REFUSE YOU BENEFITS APPEAL ..DON'T TAKE IT BRING CHARGES AGAINST SRS FOR CHILD ENDANGERMENT SUE -STAND UP FOR YOUR SELF! YOUR AMERICAN RIGHT IS NOT TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY . IN 1973 THE US SUPREME COURT RULED THAT WELFARE BENEFITS CAN'T BE TERMINATED FOR ANY ANY REASON PERIOD...WHILE YOU APPEAL YOUR CASE -THE GOLDBERG VS KELLY CASE READ IT-TREASURE IT-YOU DON;T NEED A LAWYER TO FIGHT BACK -YOU CAN APPEAL TILL DOOMSDAY -THIS IS YOUR DUE PROCESS RIGHT, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CASE LAW THAT WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN.

IMPORTANT -IF THEY SEND YOU A LETTER OF DENIAL-CUT YOUR BENEFITS APPEAL TIME IS CRITICAL-DON'T LET THIS LAPSE-DON'T GIVE UP YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN CAN RETAIN YOUR FOODSTAMPS, CASH CHILDCARE AND MORE- IF YOU NEED HELP SEND ME A MESSAGE AT INCENSEDINCENSE@.COM

THE REAL WELFARE-CADILLAC QUEENS ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WE THE PEOPLE ALLOW IN OFFICE- KNOW HOW MUCH POOR TAXPAYERS SPEND ON ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS STATE-ARE THEY DRIVING THE CADILLAC OR ARE YOU...

THEY BLAME THE POOR, CUT THE POOR, PUNISH THE POOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE POOR DON'T HAVE A VOICE IN PUBLIC, CONGRESS, ELECTIONS-WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD A POLITICIAN WORRY ABOUT THE :LOWER CLASS" THE RICH ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY STEAL OFF THE BACKS OF THE POOR-HEARD OF MINIMUM WAGE... WELFARE'S BROTHER. FIGHT BACK THE US SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THESE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS ARE NOT ENTITLEMENTS BUT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN'S RIGHT AS AMERICANS!

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

The American Dream..........Gimme

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1983Hawk 2 years, 7 months ago

Time for some "reform" measures for the corporate welfare recipients like drug testing of all management, clawback provisions for failing to adhere to promised "job creation" for all the tax breaks, and personal liability of CEOs and corporate officers for all jobs outsourced.

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Alceste 2 years, 7 months ago

notorious_agenda (anonymous) says… This has nothing to do with the wealthy. This has everything to do with the welfare recipient.

The two are inter-related just as the moon is to the sun. The true welfare recipient is bleeding the country dry with USDA subsidies; 15% capital gains tax and an income structure that begs the obvious in corporate, personal, and effete, wealthy WELFARE.

However, we're "discussing" Kansas.

In Hard Times, Kansans Like to Blame The Poor.....

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notorious_agenda 2 years, 7 months ago

This has nothing to do with the wealthy. This has everything to do with the welfare recipient.

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Alceste 2 years, 7 months ago

wissmo:

Do you "hate" so hard against the WELFARE the Brownback family reaps via USDA price supports? How about the WELFARE capital gains tax affords....locked at 15%? What about the Federal income tax structure which is so out of whack it's surreal??

"Over time, the United States has expected less and less of its elite, even as society has oriented itself in a way that is most likely to maximize their income. The top income-tax rate was 91 percent in 1960, 70 percent in 1980, 50 percent in 1986, and 39.6 percent in 2000, and is now 35 percent. Income from investments is taxed at a rate of 15 percent. The estate tax has been gutted."

"High earners should pay considerably more in taxes than they do now. Top tax rates of even 50 percent for incomes in the seven-figure range would still be considerably lower than their level throughout the boom years of the post-war era, and should not be out of the question—nor should an estate-tax rate of similar size, for large estates."

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/can-the-middle-class-be-saved/8600/

35% at present for the wealthy. Now THAT's WELFARE!

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

My hometown a thousand miles from here had to close a beloved city park last spring. Call it fluff I guess, always loved driving by, or just stopping in for a few minutes though.

The little park built during the Great Depression always had some animals all which were injured at one time. Our racoon was just as good as big time zoo ape to us. Fluff I guess, but so many happy pictures taken by the residents over the decades. Make some sandwiches, and let the kids play, cheap Saturday fun.

Most of the male residents sucked a few brews and told lies during the coming of age times as well at the city park. Even heard the girls were doing the same lately.

The little town closed the park due to budget problems, mainly due to the number of new "assistance" cases being filed.

Sad in my mind built during hard times, closed due to ?

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

One of the many government training programs for welfare to work is childcare. We taxpayers have paid millions to train childcare workers and nurses aides. More than you realize still sit in Section 8 housing and watch t.v. all day.

A great money saving idea of course would be having unemployed "childcare" experts form at least some type of system so others could work. At least we can have a daycare center run by welfare recipients. Get a little bang for our tax dollar. No, too logical.

No, we pay for childcare at government rates I may add, while our welfare culture trains for another career. Also if a recipient can do this, they can do a real job.

Catch 22. Can't work because they can't afford daycare, won't do daycare because it takes away the excuse of why they can't work.

Thanks LBJ, good intentions gone wrong.

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 7 months ago

Cut the aid back to zero, then the freeloaders move to another state. Our costs go down, and hopefully the taxes with it.

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

The biggest loophole and always will be until we as a nation decide no more is of course phantom chronic pain.

Before it’s assumed my thinking is if doesn’t swell up, blood pouring out, or a broken bone there is no disability please consider this.

My life partner has suffered through a hard to diagnose severe illness for the better part of two decades. Have nothing but respect for folks with these types of illnesses. In our situation she loved her job and worked until retirement. Thankfully there are millions like her.

Now the fakers.

Welfare swindlers often go through long expensive job training sometimes taking years. We foot the bills, including transportation, housing, money for all bills. This often the entire family, sometimes a family growing during the welfare days. Most young couples plan children as they can afford them. Not folks on the dole. In some states, not sure here, but in some cases we even buy vehicles for the process.

All along the process bleating how they just want a chance, a job, a career.

Of course the problem is some simply only desire to stay home and eat food stamp chow. This desire is strong. The day comes when they are asked to now join we smucks who actually work and pay taxes.

Then something comes up. Headaches, back pain, shoulder or lifting problems, transportation, you get the drift. Employment is out of the question.

The truth is these fakers absolutely despise the concept of working an entire day, let alone weeks and years. They will and do find a way to end employment.

Welfare support has continued during the whole process. In most cases, the process begins again in another vocational training setting. Sometimes the slackers win, and SRS gives up paying them forever.

We need the collective guts General Motors or Firestone demonstrates. If they feel a employee on disability leave is faking, they have it professionally checked out. Companies as Equafax ? provide these detective services.

General Motors as all businesses understand money they play with is real. They can not afford to drag along slackers and thieves who drain the system resources for the honest workers.

Shouldn’t the government operate this way too?

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 7 months ago

End result,

More Kansas children going to bed hungry.

God bless them, every one.

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Alceste 2 years, 7 months ago

Here's a wunnerful loophole for all those interested:

All a woman (and, ostensibly, a man; yes, men are single parent's and sometimes require a helping hand....) has to do is holler "ABUSE!!!! I BEEN ABUSED BY MY MATE!!!!" and they are excused from the mandated work requirement; job training; get a G.E.D.; job search, etc.

It be called O.A.R.S. matey.....as in rowing a boat....exactly to where....I dunno....but what I DO know is that a whole phat industry has been built around it and with it.....I kid you not....

http://www.kcsdv.org/OARS.html

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Scott Morgan 2 years, 7 months ago

Look how far we have fallen. There are people who believe for every dollar spent in the welfare system another one is spent on fraud.

There is nothing wrong with the changes. Required to look for a job. Wow, what a strange idea. So, most of you are saying it's just duck soup to take free money and not even look for a job?

Count all income? Daaaaa You bet. I as a taxpayer hate the fact I am giving freeloaders a dime.

Think about it, laws are made to make recipients keep children in school. I say make sure the kids attend well too.

You libs amaze me.

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Alceste 2 years, 7 months ago

Oh, good grief, sunny. You have no clue what you're talking about. http://www.anitra.net/homelessness/columns/anitra/eightmyths.html

"...vendors committed 93% of welfare fraud. This aspect of the welfare system drastically needs reform: it is harming recipients as well as taxpayers. But all of the political attention is on limiting the amount of money going to recipients.

And although the fraud by welfare vendors is terrible, it is a drop in the bucket compared to the burdens on the American taxpayer of military fraud, government waste, and corporate welfare. The Savings and Loan bailout alone cost $132 billion."

But, then again:

In Hard Times, Kansans Like to Blame The Poor......

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sunny 2 years, 7 months ago

Wake up Alceste! 'occasional' cheaters. Remove the blinders sista!

I wish I could be in charge of this department! People might have to actually take some personal responsibility for themselves and the family they created!

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Alceste 2 years, 7 months ago

Here's some OLD news, but it appears it's NEW news to some:

SRS has been broiling internally for years upon years with respect to the state's view on how it "views" it's public assistance programs. Inside the belly of the beast, the anti public assistance mid level "managers" have been thumping their bibles and babbling about the "welfare Cadillac family" despite the fact such families simply don't really exist. With Brownback in place, they're coming out of their rat holes and thumping their chests at their perceived "victory". It is a crime to be poor in Kansas. Too, let us remember, In hard times, Kansans like to blame the poor. These R.O.A.D. (retired, on active duty) Warriors are now in the driver's seat given Brownback's housecleaing vis-a-vis the "leaders" of SRS. They've been waiting a good deal of time for the opportunity to drive the dirk into the "cheats" and "save the state money". Right. Uh huh... These fools don't understand Brownback is coming after their KPERS pension and find it easier to pitch and moan about "welfare"!

Yes, there IS the OCCASSIONAL cheat on Public Assistance. But the instances simply are so few and far between, it's obscene to discuss it. Corporate Welfare is too complex a topic for these SRS "manager" types, now in the light of day....due to the fact they've opened up their little rat hole doors. Too, walking about the halls and bowels of SRS Central Office with their niffty gold crosses in just the right place, Bibles now proudly displayed for all to see and shudder lest the wrath of Jesus comes....along with the Rapture.

The fact is that 1996 ENDED "welfare" as it was once known. A time limit is in placed on all recipients of Public Assistance (a RIGHT to Americans). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal... will outline just exactly what the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (PRWORA, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105, enacted August 22, 1996) is all about.

The state of Kansas is OBLIGATED under Federal Law to provide all manner of training opportunities to participants in the TANF program. The state of Kansast has failed miserably at this task. It's the good, ole WIN program all over again (Work Incentive Program see http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=54&articleid=298&sectionid=1968 ). TheSychophant is correct.....what jobs?

Read the facts: "State maintenance of effort: To receive their full allocation, states must demonstrate they are spending on activities related to TANF 80% of the amount of non-federal funds they spent in FY 1994 on AFDC and related programs. If they meet minimum work requirements, their mandatory state effort is reduced to 75%." http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/aspesum.htm

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Commentor 2 years, 7 months ago

So where are these folks going to work?

Making food stamps harder to get reduces 100% federal funding coming into Kansas. Small community grocery stores lose bunches here.

Wow, let's see Siedlecki and Brownback live on welfare benefits.

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thebigspoon 2 years, 7 months ago

I see this as a positive step in that this requires those who have not tried to work will now have to attempt. However, the point made above by The Sychophant is still valid, and overwhelmingly germaine. The facts are that this administration has now experienced higher unemployment, cut education funds, is fighting reasonable health care reforms that will take away from the many the paying of uninsured medical exenses for the few, is spending state money in out-of-state areas and hiring out-of-state personnell to staff Brownback-created jobs which, at the least, could and should have been given to in-state people, and, at worst, unnecessary and politically dominated positions. Social welfare programs have been made to be labyrinthian by the closing of SRS offices, people who worked for the state have been let go, but no improvement has been seen in any area except that revenues are $100 million ahead of projections. Well, where is that money going?

The whole thing is that there are holes in our SRS system, but, again I say, throwing out the baby with the bathwater is not the way to fix them.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

The great thing about the Republicans is they know how to market their message. Who would be opposed to greater efficiencies and reduced fraud? Nobody. That's why they dress the pig up in that silk purse. What they don't talk about is how the social safety net is truly needed by people who literally live next door to all of us and how their proposals will impact the delivery of those services. Another step in the Great Leap Backward! Let's also not forget the firm Accenture that the Brownback Administration hired to help reduce fraud and improve efficiencies just settled with the US Justice Department for $64 million for guess what....wait for it...fraud...but that was by no means an admission of guilt. Get real!

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Jan Rolls 2 years, 7 months ago

Always on friday afternoon with their new releases. I can see it now in the middle of the night sam and his goons raid a house to see if a man is asleep there. Everytime you think they can't get stupider there they go again. Just because someone gets welfare doesn't give anyone the right to bust into their house without a warrant let alone srs.

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Bob Forer 2 years, 7 months ago

Where are the jobs that folks are supposed to search for/. The same jobs you said that you would create, Governor?. A little news for you: The unemployment rate has increased since you took office. You haven't created jobs. On the contrary, you have lost us jobs.

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