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Survey: More Kansans back tax hikes for the rich

November 24, 2011

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— The percentage of Kansans who support tax increases for corporations and high-income earners has been growing since 2009.

That's according to the latest survey from the Docking Institute of Public Affairs at Fort Hays State University. It finds tax increases for large corporations were favored by 63 percent of respondents. That's up from 54 percent in 2010 and 52 percent in 2009.

For top-income earners, 58 percent of respondents favored tax increases. That's up from 47 percent in 2010 and 41 percent in 2009.

Most respondents favor keeping current tax policies for the middle class and small businesses.

From June through September, 1,039 Kansas adults over the age of 18 completed the survey by mail and phone. The survey has a 3.04-percent margin of error.

Comments

Neomarxist123 3 years ago

The battle cry of the left: "Somebody Else Should Pay My Bills!"

KS 3 years ago

I don't find that dumb at all. It's the American way!

parrothead8 3 years ago

Right. Because most random samples of 1000+ Kansas adults are going to be REAL left-leaning.

kochmoney 3 years ago

Actually they were.

"Sample demographics were compared to known Census-based distributions (see Appendix A). The sample matches closely with all Census-based distributions except Hispanic origin and age. The survey had higher response rates among Kansas residents who are non-Hispanic and those over 50. Therefore, the overall population estimates are biased toward the opinions of non-Hispanic and older Kansans."

kochmoney 3 years ago

Actually they were.

"Sample demographics were compared to known Census-based distributions (see Appendix A). The sample matches closely with all Census-based distributions except Hispanic origin and age. The survey had higher response rates among Kansas residents who are non-Hispanic and those over 50. Therefore, the overall population estimates are biased toward the opinions of non-Hispanic and older Kansans."

Sean Livingstone 3 years ago

i don't think neomarxist is far from reality, though i don't think i like his name. china produces cheap goods for america... and yet we slammed them for being so hardworking.... military doesn't want cut, social security no cut...... poor people and middle class don't want to pay more taxes, 45% of the country don't want to pay any taxes, rich don't want to pay more taxes, welfare people don't want cut... everyone want free handouts, the poor, the middle class, the rich and the corporations... we're all doomed.

ivalueamerica 3 years ago

you would have a point if the facts supported you.

However, since the facts point out that the middle pay much more of their income to taxes than the wealthy, IF you were honest, the battle cry would be, let them pay their fair share.

However, no one would ever expect you to rely on any facts or honesty, so go ahead and continue blowing air. Just wanted you to know, is all.

pace 3 years ago

It is dumb, but odd. You are claiming the wealthiest do not owe the same bill for service, they for some reason, don't owe this country a fair tax. We all owe people. debts of service, kindness, education. Someone supplied your school, someone supplied the road to your home, Now you claim the wealthiest don't owe the bill. I sure didn't offer to pick up their share of the check, to drive on rubble so they can portfolio their share of the road toll . You seem to be saying let's buy the celebrity or wealthiest a man in the room a drink and maybe he will tip us. Your love of money lenders is a false church, one that will break our economy, is breaking our economy. Open up, listen to the argument presented. I will talk points but I am sick of someone preaching the church of lower taxes for the wealthiest. taxes. http://www.commondreams.org/video/2011/11/19#.TtFb2Xn1G9M.twitter

pace 3 years ago

Battle cry of the economic insane. Lower taxes for the wealthiest, so they can hire you to polish their cars.

KS 3 years ago

My bet it that there are some folks out there that would like to have a job polishing someone's car. Beats being unemployed.

pace 3 years ago

My bet, some of my tax money is directly used instead of Koch's to cover their cuts. I don't want to carry their water. You want me to. I consider that insane. Really, you arguing we should pay higher taxes than Koch so they will hire some of us to serve them in menial jobs is insane. All the tax cuts have not generated jobs, they generated fatter portfolios for a few. States are destroying infrastructure built by generations, to pay for the tax cuts to the richest. It is criminal insanity.

kochmoney 3 years ago

The Kochs have more money than ever, but they've been responsible for a net decrease in employment. Clearly this tax cuts = jobs thing does not work out the way they keep insisting it will.

kochmoney 3 years ago

Actually, the money is with the rich. The top 20% have 85% of all the wealth in the country. To think that you can get out of this mess mainly on the backs of the middle class is to believe exactly what those top percenters pay their politicians to tell you to believe.

KS 3 years ago

Well, dah! What else would one expect them to say? Just remember that it is very hard to get a job from a poor man. The "rich" are already paying a whole bunch of taxes and just remember that if we try to force more on them, they will figure out a place to put their money so it won't be taxed. For every rule that the Government enacts, they is always someone figuring a way around it. Human nature. What we need is MORE taxpayers in this country. Forty plus percent of the American people do not pay ANY! Now how is that right?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"What we need is MORE taxpayers in this country. Forty plus percent of the American people do not pay ANY! Now how is that right?"

Raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour, and that number gets cut by about 2/3. Would that work for you?

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

the notion that "Forty plus percent of the American people do not pay ANY" taxes is not accurate.

The truth is that they still pay lots of taxes—just not lots of federal income taxes. They pay all of the REGRESSIVE ones, like payroll, gasoline, utility and sales taxes,

According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, the poor actually bear a heavier burden than the rich in virtually every state except Vermont.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

Yea, folks like KS are primarily just repeating soundbites without any firm understanding of whatever kernel of truth may (or may not) be behind it.

But it is true that if the income levels of those at the bottom were raised enough, they, too, would be paying income taxes.

JayhawkFan1985 3 years ago

Nobody ever seems to have anything original to say on this blog. It's just the same people saying the same things talking passed each other.

headdoctor 3 years ago

Yup, no one wants to get beyond Democrats VS Republicans and the various spin between the parties. No one wants to touch on anything of real substance without back biting or throwing a temper tantrum about someone getting something they are not. I guess they come by it honestly. Congress is doing the same thing.

The bottom line is we are so screwed because the people who could fix this mess have no incentive or desire to do so. No one wants to go out on a limb and do what is needed.

headdoctor 3 years ago

If Brownback and company really wanted to set an example for for the rest of the US to follow he could start by working on restoring the various eroded bases that Kansas tax revenue come from. Done properly more tax revenue would start coming in without raising the tax rates.

An example would be reducing the amount of tax exempt land and cutting down on the loop holes in the tax code for both personal and corporate taxes. Out of 105 Counties well over half of them have 18 to 45% of their land as tax exempt. Things like this would result in the least amount of shock to the overall economy and wouldn't totally put the burden on the middle class, what ever that class is really suppose to be since no one seems to really be able to define it.

deec 3 years ago

They could also repeal all the corporate tax breaks for machinery and all the sales tax exemptions that have been granted over the last 20 or so years that were supposed to miraculously create jobs and grow the economy.

headdoctor 3 years ago

That would be more good examples of fixing the tax base erosion. Personally I do not believe raising the tax rate would do a bit of good if the loop holes are not fixed. It wouldn't hurt to give subsidies and corporate rebates a good looking over as well. Giving corporations breaks does nothing to create anything but more money for them to throw away or improve the stockholders bank accounts.

pace 3 years ago

liar, bet it made you feel almost an adult. Talking with the big kids. snapping your suspenders. liar.

pace 3 years ago

Oh, is that how you spin it. Sounds like wishful thinking, but seems more, just like lie. I know sarcasm, and baby, it isn't saying that the 95 % are just moochers, unless you know that is not true. That is spin, makes you feel good though. Sad. Your sarcasm machine is ironically, malfunctioning. I will go slow, sarcasm -lie, not the same.
Now snap those suspenders again, and say, I don't care about reality, I know what I feel. The 99% want to mooch, while the holy 1% don't want to pay taxes, so they can make jobs, someday. Now that is sarcasm.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"For top-income earners, 58 percent of respondents favored tax increases."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

You have a funny way of kissing and making up.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"For top-income earners, 58 percent of respondents favored tax increases."

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

It is pretty hard to stomach all of the complaining about how much the wealthy are taxed. The fact is that there are so many special interest loopholes that many of the many wealthy pay little to none in federal and state income taxes. An egregious example is that of hedge fund managers, who, if they pay taxes at all, pay at the 15 percent capital gains rate. Most likely, they leave their earnings as "carried interest" and pay no taxes whatsoever for years at a time. Any need for cash can be covered by borrowing, at ridiculously low rates.

There is no reason to increase tax rates. The solution lies in eliminating special interest loopholes and special treatment.

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

Many, in this context, is an adjective, and is necessarily a majority.

I am familiar with the IRS data. In 2009, 13,000 returns with an initial adjusted gross income of over 1 million resulted in zero taxes. From my perspective, that is a lot of wealthy people that are not paying their fair share.

I am also familiar with the "Citizens for Tax Justice" report that demonstrates 30 large and profitable US companies that ended up paying zero in taxes.

My point, again, is close the loopholes.

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

Agreed, not a majority. It is still a lot of wealthy individuals and corporations not paying their fair share.

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

Oh, come on. This is yet another "argument-in-a-vacuum" that has no foundation in reality. Why do you bother?

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

Oh...I'm referring to your "fair share argument", Liberty.

pace 3 years ago

Actually your idea that the state has no jobs to do and people should not pay any taxes is unique but not very workable. I believe we do, as a society, have jobs to do. We should have a cooperative education system, roads, health and safety regulation. Your theory that each person should buy and build their own roads is not practical, maybe not sane.

pace 3 years ago

Straw man ?So what did you mean, when you said "Their fair share is zero," ? You seem to be saying all taxes are illegal confiscation. If I had any idea that was your premise, I would not of even debated with you. I was talking about rather the richest should be taxed at a fair rate. Your idea is different than the question in topic. I was discussing the deep tax cuts and loop holes for the wealthiest should be ended. You were discussing some sort of netherworld fantasy. No wonder, neither reason nor fact breaches your argument. You are talking about a society you dream of , One I have trouble and no interest envisioning. I was talking about the one we live in.

pace 3 years ago

That was a great link. Thanks Tange.

voevoda 3 years ago

In a democracy, the majority should be able to set tax policies, provided that the rights of the minority are upheld. I don't see how setting higher tax rates for the very wealthy--such as we had under Eisenhower--in any way infringes the rights of the wealthy.
Would raising taxes on the wealthy hurt the economy? Probably not. They aren't creating more jobs with their wealth, anyway. If the goal is to create jobs, why not tie tax breaks directly to job creation? The trickle-down method clearly isn't working.

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

Race, gender, national origin, and religious affiliation are all "protected classes" under the civil rights act of 1964 and thus are fully protected under the law from being treated differently by the tax code. Being of a higher economic status is not a protected class and folks in this situation can indeed be taxed differently.

progressive_thinker 3 years ago

Evidently you missed the point that your previous argument had absolutely no merit.

And yes, requiring the wealthy to pay higher taxes than the poor is well within the moral standards of a civilized society.

pace 3 years ago

Now you are arguing the opposite, That it is immoral for the wealthiest not pay their share of taxes? Boy you must of read some links.

pace 3 years ago

You said ". It is morally wrong to tax one group of people at a higher rate than others. " and since the top 400 are paying around 18% and many of the middle class are paying at 30%, you are either disagreeing with yourself, and gosh darn why not? Or you have no consistent reason. What ever, don't blame me for your lack of arguement. That is your dime.

pace 3 years ago

So you are saying the hidey holes and special cuts don't contort the basic tax structure? The top 400 are paying around 18% and many of the middle class are paying at 30%, If you profess that is not the case, you haven't done your research. Calling me a liar because you said something contradictory to your own argument is a flag that doesn't fly. Don't you feel dizzy? Spinning so much.

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

The fallacy upon which this entire argument has been based is that taxes are levied based on human characteristics...like being Jewish or being a women or being an immigrant...or being black or being short or being blonde...or being wealthy.

The fact, though, is that taxes are assessed on "things". Like income, investments, goods and services, and property. And the type and amount of tax assessed is determined by the type of "thing"...not by a characteristic of the person "holding" the thing.

pace 3 years ago

lol, not if you look at the entire picture. Comparing Billionaires to indigents, children and retired is not cased closed. No one in their right mind says billionaires should get deep tax cut because poor people pay less taxes. No justification that billionaires should only pay 18% , while middle class pays 30%. Nope. too goofy, if you aren't going to use reason, then just type. blah blah blah.

pace 3 years ago

I don't consider a flat tax system as moral or immoral.

jhawkinsf 3 years ago

Sixty three percent of Kansas residents are in favor of raising taxes on the wealthy. One hundred percent of Kansas residents are in favor of raising taxes on non-Kansas residents.

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

Actually, I've given no thought whatsoever to raising taxes on non-Kansas residents, so it's not quite 100% :-)

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