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Carrie Neighbors sentenced to 8 years in prison for selling stolen goods from Yellow House store

January 12, 2011

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A Lawrence woman who was convicted of selling stolen goods from the Yellow House Store, 1904 Mass., has been sentenced to serve eight years in federal prison.

U.S. District Judge Carlos Murguia on Wednesday afternoon handed down the sentence to Carrie Marie Neighbors, 49, who was an owner with her husband, Guy Neighbors, of the secondhand store. She was also ordered to forfeit more than $616,000.

A federal jury in Kansas City, Kan., in September convicted her of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, mail fraud and money laundering, 12 counts of wire fraud and three counts of money laundering.

The government had accused her of knowing or being deliberately ignorant that goods, such as tools and electronics, sold from her store were stolen. During the six-day trial, federal prosecutors presented witnesses who said they sold merchandise to Neighbors at the Yellow House that they’d stolen from other stores in the area.

Prosecutors found that from January 2004 to July 2006 Neighbors would pay about 50 percent retail value at her store for many items that were new and still in the box. She would resell the items on eBay for a profit. According to U.S. Attorney Barry Grissom’s office, she used some of the proceeds from the sale of stolen items to purchase others that were stolen and to make payments on her west Lawrence home.

The case also included conversations recorded by undercover Lawrence police officers.

Guy Neighbors’ trial is on hold because he has not been declared mentally competent to stand trial.

For nearly five years, the couple have accused police and prosecutors of corruption and repeatedly said they did not knowingly purchase stolen goods.

The couple also face charges in two other federal cases. In those, prosecutors accuse the couple of manufacturing marijuana and obstructing a theft investigation, but according to federal court records, assistant U.S. attorneys Marietta Parker and Chris Oakley on Wednesday moved to dismiss those cases against Carrie Neighbors.

Carrie Neigbors’ attorney has filed a notice to appeal the verdict.

Comments

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

Well smitty, there's your update, now that there is news for the JW to update.

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

dagnabbit, even the jumbo size ran out early. The milk duds are gone as well.

Do you need anything from the snack bar cause I'm gonna make a run. Smitty and user are posting some classic stuff still and I'll need some refreshments to carry me through.

doc1 4 years, 4 months ago

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

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JackMcKee 4 years, 4 months ago

well, yea they were cheaper. They were stolen.

jayhawkstalk 4 years, 4 months ago

Um, you do realize that she wasn't truly helping, right? That is not a very well thought out statement. Those were stolen goods, which is why people got such a good price.

evilpenguin 4 years, 4 months ago

You know you can usually buy that stuff at the Re-Store and support charity?

goodnessgracious 4 years, 4 months ago

The Salvation Army store or such stores can provide used appliances, clothes, tables, tv's and such, and it's all legal. I dont see the Yellow House in any kind of "robin hood" light at all. She profited from stolen merchandise and got caught. When anyone steals from a store, its costs ALL of us, because these stores pass the "cost of doing business" on to the rest of us that pay for our goods. You're not stealing from the store, really, you're stealing from anyone who shops there in the future, thru higher prices. What she did costs all of us, plus, I wouldnt want to buy something off of Ebay, and unknowningly contribute to this sort of thing.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Hope it's the jumbo version - you're gonna need it!

---Indeed! along with the Milk Duds.

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

LOL Guess they didn't like your first post.

Bladerunner 4 years, 4 months ago

Federal time is hard time. If you get sentenced to serve 8 years. You serve 8 years. No time off for good behavior.

I would like to know what her attorney is basing his appeal on. Because he doesn't like the verdict?

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

"I'm sure you would want to know" not really.

kernal 4 years, 4 months ago

Thanks, but will wait for news that is credible.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 4 months ago

Ahhh, yes...the "LPD machine" that convinced numerous Judges, Attorneys and others to all LIE just to get Guy and Carrie Neighbors....What a crock Smitty-but you keep on believin'.

nekansan 4 years, 4 months ago

So 8 years in federal prison means the prosecutor got nothing they wanted? That is hardly "flatly turned down"! Sounds more to me like a pretty serious stint in the can. We are not talking a few weekends in the Douglas County jail.

nekansan 4 years, 4 months ago

Still 8 years is 8 years. The prosecutor should seek a maximum sentence. I could just as easily say that the defense was "flatly turned down" on their claims of innocence. I'm also pretty confident the defense didn't view the 8 year sentence as a win. They likely argued at sentencing for no jail time or time served, for which of course, they were flatly turned down! At a minimum I would bet there were conditions/factors the defense requested that were also denied. It' not a fundamental misunderstanding of the sentencing process, but rather the overstatement of the reality that somehow only getting 8 years instead of 14 somehow is a massive win. I can't imagine they argued for the judge to sentence Carrie to 8 years. If so I guess they got what the wanted.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 4 months ago

As the once soon to be one time president once said, let's all of see in the light of day all the evidence.

The case also included conversations recorded by undercover Lawrence police officers.

Well, let's hear it.

Evidence, let's see it. This entire absurdity has yet to produce a say a 1998 Sears Dishwasher stolen from 3443 Main Street on Aug. 23rd, sold on Sept. 3rd by Left McGurkin and recorded by officer Jones.

All I ever read is allegations.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 4 months ago

the case was so botched by the police and investigators that there will appeals out the wazoo and I bet they will end up getting off.

I have no opinion on their guilt or innocence, but I have a lot of opinion about botched police work.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes, never in the history of our court system has a botched case been prosecuted.

wow., really?

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Botched? Yes. See the people v OJ Simpson for a first class botching (but F Lee Bailey says he has additional proof that the Juice didn't do it!!)

Botched yet still able to get a conviction and 8 years? Maybe, but I can't recall any off the top of my head. Perhaps you were wanting a longer sentence?

ivalueamerica 4 years, 4 months ago

well, your comprehension is limited, so I will choose my words carefully.

I do not have an opinion of their guilt or innocence.

I do, however, know the case was botched, and that leaves open a ton of openings for appeal.

The detectives should be ashamed of themselves.

However, a botched case does not preclude nor assure a conviction. There are other factors. I realize you see things as black or white, yes or now, but the real world is a shade of gray.

For example, I was once a juror on a drug possession case in Washington, DC. The cop flat out lied to us about the chain of events, however, we convicted the defendant anyway. We ignored the botched evidence, in this case, the lie, and the rest of the evidence was more than enough to convict. We sent our note to the judge of guilty, with an additional note suggesting an investigation of perjury for the police officer who lied on the stand.

In that case, the defendant did appeal on the grounds that the police officer lied. I was glad we had sent the note to the judge because it documented that we knew the cop lied and did not factor his testimony into our conviction and therefore the appeal was denied.

I suggest you take a moment to reflect before you speak next time, you look foolish.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Ahhh, see it is not my comprehension that is lacking, nor your arrogance.

See, you were asked to outline how investigation was botched and how a conviction was achieved.

Instead of answering that question, you made a snide remark stating - facetiously - that no botched case had ever been prosecuted.

I then replied -snarkily I admit - with what is probably the most famously botched case of our generation..

You then condescended even further with your reply to my post, but you still have not offered any proof of the Local LEO botching this particular case. Because smitty/yellowhouse/alex/glockowner/et al say so isn't proof.

Now who looks the fool?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Federal time is hard time. If you get sentenced to serve 8 years. You serve 8 years. No time off for good behavior.

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gccs14r 4 years, 4 months ago

If the Neighbors hadn't fought for so hard and so long to stave off the inevitable, Carrie would be half done with her sentence now, not just now going in.

doc1 4 years, 4 months ago

No they would have received probation if they would have cooperated.

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

Believe me, Multi will be upset she missed the fun.

kugrad 4 years, 4 months ago

Tom Delay gets 3 years for blatant corruption and this woman gets 8 years?

Jamea CallsHim 4 years, 4 months ago

how is it that she gets 8 years for selling stolen goods yet there are child molesters out there who only get months???

does anyone else see any problems in the system here???????

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

Nope, except maybe she could have gotten longer

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

You forgot the female version of Bubba.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Obsession...........it's not just a cologne from Calvin Klein.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 4 months ago

Somebody needs to write a book about this.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

And be sure to interview the victims whose property was stolen about how the loss affected them.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

what Victims ? the prosecutor did not call any Victims to the Stand there weren't any Victims.....

This is a Quote from the prosecutor "new items, most still in their original boxes, had come into the possession of the sellers legally"

where are the victims if the Sellers got the items legally ????? help me understand that.........

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Looks like Guy Neighbors already has been accepted into Appeals court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37357667/Appeals-court-to-hear-Guy-Neighbors-case

yes boys and girls. There is so much crap going on with this case its unbelievable

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

In the case at bar, the United States reasonably believes that the evidence will establish that the defendants knew or were deliberately ignorant of the fact that many of the items they were selling via wire transmissions on the e-Bay web site during the period of the conspiracy were stolen. Rather then refuse to purchase the items or require receipts to prove that the new items, most still in their original boxes, had come into the possession of the sellers legally, the defendants chose to purchase them for far less than retail value and to sell them on e-Bay without revealing to the purchasers that the items were stolen property.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778751/trial-brief-07912356458

.........So let me get this straight items were legally purchased by the seller who would bring them into the YH to sell... I fail to see where Carrie Committed A crime..... This is a Quote from the Prosecutors Brief. Somthin is not right with this picture........ do ya see it ?

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

more from the Prosecutor................

"The district court need not insist upon direct evidence of conscious avoidance of a fact before tendering a deliberate ignorance instruction. To establish a defendant’s “deliberate ignorance,” the Government is entitled to rely on circumstantial evidence and the benefit of the favorable inferences to be drawn therefrom.... The purpose of the instruction is to alert the jury that the act of avoidance could be motivated by sufficient guilty knowledge to satisfy the knowing element of the crime."

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

It's all a reading comprehension thing and where you place the emphasis. For ease of reading and clarification here is a slightly edited version giving the TRUE meaning of the quote - Rather then refuse to purchase the items or require receipts to prove that the new items had come into the possession of the sellers legally, the defendants chose...

Do ya see it?????

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

whens the last time you bought something off of Craigslist or Ebay or Pawn shop or yard Sale and demanded the Receipt ?

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't believe I've ever purchased anything new, in the box from anywhere other than a retail store.

Of course, if I did purchase something new in the box from one of those outlets I wouldn't be doing it as a resale shop subject to the requirement that I at least ATTEMPT to verify that the person I was buying from was the legal owner of those goods.

A couple of mantras that I've lived by - Buyer beware and If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Carrie's Appeal motion. (from pacer.gov)

Paperwork filled for Carrie's Appeal http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778988/Transport-Room-5 more paper work. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778982/Transport-Room-2

Appeals court response. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778985/Transport-Room-3

Smitty Whatcha Think !?

Alexander Neighbors 4 years, 4 months ago

I have read these posted motions and they are all provable. I am pretty sure that's inevitably why it has taken 6 years before the prosecution could take them to trial too much circumstantial Evidence no solid evidence. Oh and all of the witnesses, are convicted Felons with long rap sheets.(who by the way are out on the streets.....)

BTW. Guy is Still being Held with no trial and its been almost 2 years. The judge ordered that his evaluation and treatment take no longer than 160 days.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

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greenworld 4 years, 4 months ago

Question 1- If you go to a garage sale and buy something , how do you know its not stolen? Question 2- If you buy something on craigslist or Ebay, how do you know its not been stolen?

I think these people were targeted. Sorry, not saying what they did was wrong but everyday millions of immigrants jump the border and come over here and drink our water. You ask why?? Because its fresh and pure. Basically its not dirty.

Kash_Encarri 4 years, 4 months ago

You don't, but as I understood it, there are rules for the type of business they were running that required them to do kind of a due diligence check that they chose not to do in order to claim ignorance. There was also something in one of the ad nauseum earlier stories about the testimony against them where they instructed the "sellers" on what items they would like to "purchase" from them for resale.

Of course since the entire LPD, the FBI, the Federal Prosecutors and now apparently a couple of Federal Judges all had it out for these people, I'm sure you are correct and they were targeted.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

there are no rules to a second hand shop. The police will not work with you.

So lets say some one brings something into the store to sell if you call the police to ask if an item has been stolen matching the description. The police dispatch will flat out tell you "No we don't disclose that information over the phone.." what they will do is send a patrol officer out to your location to check for you but he will come out there at hisher convenience. So it could be All Day till they show up.

This is not a practical way to check.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

yes, LadyJ it is a mystery to me why they flushed my first post! lol. all I did was summarize the usual paranoid spoutings of smitty and the neighbors' princeling.
I also made ref to that roughly half $million from the top of the article/header, wondering if that "lot of money right thar" was even still around, or was squandered away on lawyers.

oh well, try try again. maybe this post will make it. I didn't mention the standard paranoid phrases.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Duma is to file the appeal before turning it over to another attorney per Judge Murguia's order. The 8 years is a vast misrepresentation of what the federal attorney's office wanted and had filed motions on. The feds asked for no less than 14 years and got flatly turned down by the judge.

---okay. I get it. this judge is also in on it, right?


misquoting the filing above. laughable. read your own quote of this up above, in context it has the opposite meaning to your attribution. it actually means seller failed to communicate that.

I'm so disappointed so far: luke warm from smitty. no appearance from the Neighbors' spawn.
c'mon! crank it up.

let's get this party started!

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

now, I wish to take the floor and make this formal proposal:

upon the conviction and jailing of Mr. Guy Neighbors, Lawrence needs a celebration.

not to celebrate the jailing of these two who apparently really deserve each other.

*instead, I am proposing that we organize a parade down Mass. starts at 1904 Mass and ends at the law enforcement center.

parade to celebrate the conclusion of the never-ending-story, the soap opera, that is called yellowhouse. that finally some decision has been rendered. that some conclusion hasfinally been reached!

all that would remain is: who's going to star in the movie?
Carrie played by Maridith baxter burney of lifetime movie fame; Guy played by Louis Black; Smitty played by ?.
et al.

BruceWayne 4 years, 4 months ago

Sondra Locke as Carrie Turner Gill as Guy Nicole Ritchie as Alex

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Smitty says: attorney's office wanted and had filed motions on. The feds asked for no less than 14 years and got flatly turned down by the judge.

---"flatly turned down" ... exaggeration, eh?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Kash_Encarri (anonymous) replies …

Smitty played by Erkle.

LOLZ!

Sigmund 4 years, 4 months ago

Carrie will get credit for time served and "up to '15%' reduction" in her sentence for "good time". "15%" (assuming she has any) of 8 years is around 3 years plus 5 years of credit for time served and she could be released this year, but almost certainly within 3 years.

(b) Credit for Prior Custody. - A defendant shall be given credit toward the service of a term of imprisonment for any time he has spent in official detention prior to the date the sentence commences - 18 U.S.C. § 3585 : US Code - Section 3585: Calculation of a term of imprisonment http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/II/227/D/3585

(1) Subject to paragraph (2), a prisoner who is serving a term of imprisonment of more than 1 year other than a term of imprisonment for the duration of the prisoner’s life, may receive credit toward the service of the prisoner’s sentence, beyond the time served, of up to 54 days at the end of each year of the prisoner’s term of imprisonment, beginning at the end of the first year of the term, subject to determination by the Bureau of Prisons that, during that year, the prisoner has displayed exemplary compliance with institutional disciplinary regulations. 18 U.S.C § 3624: US Code - Section 3624: Release of a prisoner http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003624----000-.html

xclusive85 4 years, 4 months ago

check your math! 15% of 8 years is not 3 years.

Sigmund 4 years, 4 months ago

Too true, it is 14.5 months. However add potentially 12 months of "Prerelease custody" and she could be out of prison this year. It was 1AM and I wasn't as precise as I would have liked. Good catch.

(c) Prerelease Custody.— (1) In general.— The Director of the Bureau of Prisons shall, to the extent practicable, ensure that a prisoner serving a term of imprisonment spends a portion of the final months of that term (not to exceed 12 months), under conditions that will afford that prisoner a reasonable opportunity to adjust to and prepare for the reentry of that prisoner into the community. Such conditions may include a community correctional facility. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003624----000-.html

naturenut 4 years, 4 months ago

Why were they allowed to re-open Yellow House on 23rd Street under the name of Second Chance Appliances?

Will the new store's inventory be investigated and possibly seized? Was the old inventory ever seized, or merely relocated into a vacant building pretending to be a store?

BruceWayne 4 years, 4 months ago

if that indeed is YH operating under the bridge, they have partnered with one of the biggest snakes in Douglas county. (assuming said snake still owns the building)

BruceWayne 4 years, 4 months ago

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lionheart72661 4 years, 4 months ago

i am not saying what they did ( if it's true) is right, but 8 years when there are convicted felons committing armed robberies at places such as Burger King drive thru and getting probation or just a couple years in prison. Come on justice system. Yep, justice is blind!

Shardwurm 4 years, 4 months ago

Over-charging for shipping will nail you every time.

missmagoo 4 years, 4 months ago

I know it's kind of comparing apples-to-oranges, but I think it's disgusting that Carrie Neighbors gets 8 years and Natasha Brown gets 28 for being a pedophile and allowing her husband to rape little girls.

2002 4 years, 4 months ago

How this lady still has any local support is beyond me. She is a crook, plain and simple. And she will do the time a crook should do. To say that she didn't "know" that the goods were stolen is just crazy. The reality is that those that chose to steal things knew that they had a place to fence them. She enabled these thefts by making it clear that she would buy the goods. What is wrong with you people?

BlackVelvet 4 years, 4 months ago

Anyone who sat in the courtroom and listened to the witnesses testify would know this.

Alexander Neighbors 4 years, 4 months ago

Pretty Sure my name will be by my account.....

amesn 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree been there...I was just now trying to figure out where Alex went when gl0ck's comments seemed very familiar

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Tisk tisk I am not alex or smitty or Carrie or guy or anyone related to them I could care less about what's going on to them...... Sad issue is what is stopping th lpd from abusing your rights ???? As of today there is still no citizens review board.

I smell some Cop trolls on this forum......

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

"I am not alex or smitty or Carrie or guy or anyone related to them I could care less about what's going on to them"

Yet I'll defend them blindly and spout the same rhetoric.

You're right about one thing, something smells..................

Clark Coan 4 years, 4 months ago

Rules of criminal defense:

  1. Never represent yourself (go pro se) in a felony case.

  2. Always hire the very best lawyer you can afford (i.e. Pedro I. of Topeka).

  3. If there is a reasonable doubt, be sure to demand a trial by jury.

4, If there isn't a reasonable doubt, plea bargin.

She would have gotten 2 years if she had done the above.

Alexander Neighbors 4 years, 4 months ago

  1. If your innocent then plead not Guilty.

2.If your innocent and there is no Hard factual Evidence Plead not Guilty.

3.If your denied a trial for 5 and 1/2 years Plead innocent your rights have been violated.

4.If the prosecutor would rather continue to question your competency, than take you to trial plead not Guilty. (and not crazy too).

5.If your charges were dropped due to Speedy Trial Violations......

I am still waiting on 1 solid piece of evidence or Even 1 actual Victim to come forward... That is interesting the other (Federal) charges were dropped (again).

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

If you are innocent you don't dismiss one attorney after another to delay the trial.

If there is no hard evidence you want to get to trial as quickly as possible so you don't dismiss counsel and cause delays.

If you are the cause of delay, you have given up your right to a speedy trial.

If you can't pass the competency exam then your competency will continue to be questioned.

If you can't participate competently in your own defense your trial will be delayed further.

If the additional charges won't result in additional time to serve the charges should be dropped and the taxpayer's spared the expense of an additional trial.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

ROFL

They had a court appointed Attorney AND You get what you pay for$$$ C.A.A.'s are Free which means they are Crappy maybe you have not had a chance to read the links I posted earlier Carrie clearly shows her attorney was doing as much work as he was paid to do which was nothing

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Wrong again.

If I was a past YH attorney, I wouldn't be posting anything on a public forum. I wouldn't even be placing anything in an email or on paper about this case if I had anything to do with this case.

Maybe you should go spend a couple of nights at the Holiday Inn Express.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Nor any admission that I am an antagonist, female or an attorney.

So what's your point? You are wrong on your primary assumption that I have an ax to grind because Carrie and/or Guy fired me. What proof do you have of any of your other assumptions? (I've already admitted to being snarky) You've got as much proof of those allegations as you do of the mass conspiracy you all live by.

I do want to know one thing though. Since GWB is no longer the POTUS, did Obama buy in on the federal side?

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't care who you are, that there is funny.

Now smitty has the Federal Prosecutor on the case commenting on the little old LJW forums.

Better lay off the dutchie it's really causing you to lose touch with reality.

Oh, and using your line of logic from above, I'll take it that Barack has stamped his approval on the federal portion of your conspiracy. But of course I already knew that since I had to brief him on it my being the prosecutor in charge of the conspiracy.

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

Excuse me ma'am, but I'm gonna need to see your fishing license.

I also believe you are over your limit on lunkers.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

Guilty as charged.

It really kind of stopped being fun once I realized just how pathetic and completely lost he was though. I won't get the pleasure of seeing his face once he finds out I'm a 6'2" 255lb male.

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

You're killing me.

You're no where near that tall, that heavy and definitely not that sex.

I can see where it would grow old though. You can only continue to play with someone for so long once you figure out they are that slow.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

Kassie Liebsch is looking at 20yrs for selling tickets and she struck a deal to testify. 8 is not enough.

Larry Miller 4 years, 4 months ago

I've known Guy and Carrie a long time. I've seen the good they have done for this community. I've seen Carrie make deals for people that could not afford to pay a reasonable price. They made no secret about buying stuff and selling it online. The stuff I saw was definitely used, not new. If there had really been a problem it seems to me it could have been found a lot sooner. As I understand it, pawn shops are given a list of stolen items. They would not give the list to Yellow House. I'm not sure why not. I think this smells.

2002 4 years, 4 months ago

What smells is the Yellow House. How can anyone in town support this Robin Hood mentality? The reason that Carrie could help these people out is that she sold stolen items that she got cheaper because they were stolen. If she cared so much, why didn't she give up her profit. She profited off of things stolen from good hard-working people.

Larry Miller 4 years, 4 months ago

I just don't think she knew they were stolen.

Richard Payton 4 years, 4 months ago

Lawrence local mom makes $77/hr online could this be C. Neighbors?

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

if she is going away that long..she might want to have a party....gonna be tuff being around all those female convicts....no more snitizel grubers

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

mb she will share a cell with Kassie the ticket scandal queen

Clark Coan 4 years, 4 months ago

Congress eliminated federal parole c. 1984. She's in Club Med for the long haul and will come out a bitter, broke, old woman.

Sigmund 4 years, 4 months ago

Not talking about "parole" but "Pre-release custody" (aka halfway houses, community corrections centers, work release programs and residential reentry centers) and "good time" which are both still available c. 2011.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Sondra Locke as Carrie Turner Gill as Guy Nicole Ritchie as Alex

---I like the Sondra Locke!! could we get Turner Gill paid enough though?


Payton, $77, that was derned funny right thar buddy!!! LOLLOLLOLZ!


I'm just glad Alex showed up.
for a while there I was afraid that the aliens were in on the conspiracy and that they'd picked him up and carried him off to the planet blorph for some probing.

still, the Blorphian aliens might be behind the conspiracy?

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

she had that much money 616K..and they stuck around town..."boneheads"..oh well....greed does that to people....

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

you know this is still an Estimate amount They did not even make close to that, IF I remember correctly back in 2005 The lpd claimed it was 36 million dollars worth of merchandise. Then the figure changed to hundreds thousands of dollars, then tens of thousands then they had a hard time figuring out what the Figure was supposed to be.

To help you understand this Delima in the Sham ran by the LPD. All you have to do is look at the Evidence log.

[Evidence Log in the case] http://www.scribd.com/doc/46873891/18373322-Case-No-07201240102CM-Warrants Here is the 1 and only evidence log in this ENTIRE worlds largest fencing operation. most of the items were person items taken from the neighbors home.

In which the prosecutor claimed earlier this year in a motion that the neighbors could take the items back.

Please Help me find the $600,000.00 reason why she must pay this money to the DOJ ?

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

I think they Were using income figures for the last 10 years. the prosecution was claiming ALL business done for the last 10 years was all illegal.

Everything....

all of the used appliances Sold was an illegal activity. all of the wigs sold was an illegal activity. all of the second hand electronics sold was an illegal activity. Running a small business in Lawrence is apparently illegal.

don't you think if Carrie Had made that money in 1 year the store would have been in better shape than it was... it doesn't even have flooring ? She is not Greedy. To find greed all you have to do is look at the LPD. Ask yourself why they don't they want a citizens review board......

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Just curious... does anyone know where one might find the entire trial transcript without any creative editing by the Neighbors clan? After all the local drama, I'd be curious to read the actual transcript. Perhaps I'll recreate it using sock puppets on Youtube.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Which transcript They have been to over 230 Hearings in a span of 6 years and there are more than 340 Documents in 6 different cases against them. Well I guess now that some cases have been dismissed its down to 1 case.

you can either go to the Pacer.gov document site to get them or you can go here http://www.scribd.com/jw2004 and view most of the ones that were not sealed documents.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Ok, I've scanned through the stuff on scribd and although it brings a level of crazy to the whole thing (especially: http://www.scribd.com/doc/35898971/07912331561), there isn't a transcript of the main hearing. I'm not going to pay for a pacer account because, frankly, I don't care that much, but the scribd stuff is just a compilation of filings. Surely there is an actual transcript somewhere?

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

You shouldn't talk about your friend glockuser like that.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

I guess Guy isn't the only one needing a psych evaluation.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

The whole thing has pushed smitty over the edge.

Kash_Encarri 4 years, 4 months ago

You mean TalM has been holding out on us all this time?

Whodathunkit? A federal prosecutor taking the time, not to mention placing her career on the line, to inform us all personally, so to speak, of the process involved. I am curious about one thing though. Why are you persecuting this poor family? At first I thought maybe the inter-racial couple thingy, but since President Obama has signed off on it that can't be the reason. Is Ron Olin really that powerful? Should I be worried since my kid tp'd his house back in the day?

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

as long as there is no Citizens review board for the police Department they Will be free to do what ever they want with no Consequences.

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 4 months ago

What's this have to do with the President signing off on the conspiracy?

BorderRuffian 4 years, 4 months ago

Isn't that the choice she made when she became involved in criminal activity?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

A black hole of ignorant formed at larryville from the accumulation of merrill and creative_mind's posts. It was amusing to watch a certain poster quote himself as an authoritative source.

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

How about Holly Hunter, using her character personality from Saving Grace, as Carrie.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

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gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Ljworld are you going to cover the appeals too ?

Kash_Encarri 4 years, 4 months ago

Hey, would you two please get your story straight!!

One of you claiming the appeals paperwork has been filed (see WAY above) and asking if the LJW is going to cover the appeal and the other holding a countdown on whether or not the appeal will be filed on time.

Maybe I'm just missing something because your arguments are all Area 51and Elvis is living upstairs at Graceland.

Kash_Encarri 4 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, you're right. How could I not comprehend -

"gl0ckUser (anonymous) says… Carrie's Appeal motion. (from pacer.gov)

Paperwork filled for Carrie's Appeal http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778988/Tr... more paper work. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778982/Tr...

Appeals court response. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46778985/Tr..."

I mean, why would I think this was related to Carrie's appeal

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

So yeah, is anyone going to post a link to an actual transcript of the trial? I would think the YellowHouse people would be anxious to have that transcript online instead of a bunch of random filings at scribd. And yeah, no, I'm not going to get a paid account at pacer.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm crying on the inside. I am shocked - indead shocked - that the YH fans can't produce a simple transcript of the hearing despite frequently writing about witness testimony. If I were in your position, I'd want everyone to read a transcript and I'd post it everywhere I could to prove my point... unless, of course, a full transcript isn't helpful to your cause.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

lol I have things to do and frankly I do not care enough. I am shocked, however, that YH's supporters can't offer a simple transcript. I would think, given the nature of the comments here, that YH would want everyone to have very easy access to the transcript so Lawrence residents can read what happened during the trial.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

You have To request it from the court. It will cost over $350.00 for the entire transcript, the trial was a week long

somebodynew 4 years, 4 months ago

G#3 - Well if the transcript were actually posted then there wouldn't be the need for all the "interpreters" to be able to pick and choose which sections they post. You know - the sections that taken out of context make the conspiracy thing sound (a little) legit.

Why heavens, this blog would actually go away !!! We can't have that now can we.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

So you don't actually have a copy of it?

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, that must be it. Educate me. Surely you have a full transcript that you can post given your intense level of interest in the trial.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Man that's tough, considering that "hit and runs" in this town get you almost NO time even when the victim dies.

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

neither is police corruption..........

BlackVelvet 4 years, 4 months ago

Police Corruption is NOT another way of saying "damn, they caught me"!

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't particularly remember having an opinion on that situation, but that doesn't mean I didn't. So that is a no then? You don't have a transcript from the YH trial? Fascinating.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

"For ten years (10) the Neighbors were foster parents as the SRS turned to them for stable, loving, psychologically prepared to love abused and damaged children."

As was pointed out before, some of these kids surely must have aged out of foster care by now. Why have none of them, or their relatives, come forward to say what great foster parents they were?

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

What "stable" and "psychologically prepared" foster parent grows marijuana in the house? "always in good standing with the SRS criteria and oversight until the LPD case" So the SRS criteria allows growing marijuana? Maybe SRS's oversight was a little lacking. Maybe that is what needs a citizen's review board not the LPD because someone was not doing their job.

been_there 4 years, 4 months ago

When someone has to result to insults it means their arguements and reasoning are flawed.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 4 months ago

Michael Milken probably acquired over a billion dollars illegally and was indicted on 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud. He negotiated a settlement where he agreed to pay back $200 million and was convicted on 6 counts. He served less than two years in prison.

He was as guilty as sin.

There is something wrong with this case and this sentence. It stinks and it sounds political.

There is injustice in this world and there is more injustice in the justice system than we care to admit. This is a country where the rich get special treatment.

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

"He negotiated" He plead guilty, in other words, admitted what he did. That is why he was able to negotiate a deal plus paid people back. Big difference here. Just pointing this out.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Those three of four plants didn't fall within the federal statutes but were only held as a intimidation factor. They were dropped once and reinstated a second time for three to four immature plants for personal use. Personal use for medical purposes is what it was. No more, no less. Kansas is behind the majority of states who allow medical use.

---doesn't change current law. *how stupid are you if you grow pot when you know you are already the target of multiple law enforcement investigations?!?

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

I believe a few years ago there were 2 white boys that had a house next to the Alvamar golf course and they had an entire house of Weed (it was a mega huge grow operation) they both plead guilty and got probation........ They had more then enough for the charges to be federal.........

an ENTIRE HOUSE

BruceWayne 4 years, 4 months ago

I have read most of the documents on Scribd...I am still wondering if Jessica ever finished that GED?

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Try again. This is just the hearing on revoking bond, not the trial itself. It's a pretty good read, but where is the transcript of the trial? I think the judge has the best quote toward the end:

"My hunch is, based on what's been submitted thus far, without benefit of any oral argument you all want to submit, is that these two defendants are very possibly mentally ill and cannot control their behavior. I mean, for the life of me, I'm sure this has been made clear to both of these defendants by their very experienced criminal defense counsel, to make these kind of statements during the pendency of a criminal case, seems to me potentially to be tantamount to legal suicide…

So I suspect what you've done is take a very bad case and make it worse. And the fact that you've probably done that in violation of the advice that you're getting from your lawyers is one of the things that makes me wonder about whether you are, from a mental perspective, competent to stand trial. And I say that not to be uncharitable, that's really more an observation than a criticism."

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

This comment pre-removed because somebody's awful touchy.

2002 4 years, 4 months ago

When Police Officers Lie

Maybe more like, WHEN FENCES GET CAUGHT

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

From the Judge in the bond hearing, stating the obvious:

"My hunch is, based on what's been submitted thus far, without benefit of any oral argument you all want to submit, is that these two defendants are very possibly mentally ill and cannot control their behavior. I mean, for the life of me, I'm sure this has been made clear to both of these defendants by their very experienced criminal defense counsel, to make these kind of statements during the pendency of a criminal case, seems to me potentially to be tantamount to legal suicide…

So I suspect what you've done is take a very bad case and make it worse. And the fact that you've probably done that in violation of the advice that you're getting from your lawyers is one of the things that makes me wonder about whether you are, from a mental perspective, competent to stand trial. And I say that not to be uncharitable, that's really more an observation than a criticism."

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

Here was a formal Request for Evidence that was never answered and actual hard Evidence was never produced........

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31014104/07912235160

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

You do realize those weren't my words but a quote from the judge and directly from the only transcript - the bond hearing - that I actually read. I assume you will now post the trial transcript... Or do you not have that?

gl0ckUser 4 years, 4 months ago

**QUOTE*** 7). K.U. Detective Michael Riner testified on 08/13/08, he had destroyed his field notes, in which now constitutes a violation of the fourteenth Amendment's due process and bad faith tampering with exculpatory evidence to a case, (documents involving an ongoing investigation), and or recording a true and accurate document of the events during the investigation, or perjury, due to the fact that his notes have never been produced. Detective Riner was aware of the ongoing Federal investigations, was being directed by involved Federal Prosecutors and officers, whereby he had an extenuating duty to preserve any and all possible relevant evidence. [See ref. Henning v. Union Pacific Railroad Co., 530 F.3d 1206 (lOth Cir. 2008)],

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

The railroad? They were selling stolen locomotives at YH?

LadyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

Is that the real reason they put a fence around the engine in the park at 6th and Tennesssee?

hail2oldku 4 years, 4 months ago

Thanks LadyJ. This is easily the best post on an already entertaining thread.

justsomewench 4 years, 4 months ago

every time i see a smitty post, i can't help but envision an armchair Nancy Grace shrieking, "BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!"

maybe all you're missing, smitty, is a calling card (a TV show, a shrewish scowl, and the ability to interrupt anyone who disagrees with you). just a thought.

somebodynew 4 years, 4 months ago

Well if you are correct all she needs is a TV show.

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

how do u tell if a washing machine is stolen? is this anything like voter fraud.... so did the bad guys break into house and just take your appliances?

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Smitty: transcripts of the actual trial or gtfo.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

lolz transcripts or gtfo.

Maybe you don't actually have the transcripts? That would be interesting.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

smitty, are you accusing McAtee of committing a crime?

lgreen17 4 years, 4 months ago

People in Lawrence kill others by drinking and driving and get probation or a couple of years. The reasons that this case was sent to the feds, is that our elected prosecutor is aspiring to be a federal prosecutor himself by giving the feds cases, and that the Neighbors would get longer sentences. He's also lazy and doesn't like to go into the courtroom (Amy can you do it for me?) What a shame. I don't think eight years is appropriate for the crime.

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

Carrie thx for selling me my washer's and dryer's....in the past, i think of u everytime i use them. call me when ya get out of the can.

lucky7brand 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't know the whole story on this but I do know one stole item that was reported to the police and the Neighbors cooperated with the police and showed them who sold them the stole the item. They had the guys signature that had sold it to them. Which the police were previously aware that this person was the one suspected of stealing it. The police did nothing to the guy who had been reported stealing items by several people and charged in the past for burglary/theft (felony level). I don't think that there is anyway the YH or pawn shops are able to know if an item is stolen. If they are prosecuting them why wouldn't pawn shops who sell stolen itema be prosecuted? Not saying anyone's "corrupt" just wondering in general...where's the line? Why target them?

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 4 months ago

Is smitty actually a police informant?

kernal 4 years, 4 months ago

Will someone please put this thread to bed? Smitty, enough have you said as you beat the poor horse dead.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

"The Mock Turtle is a fictional character devised by Lewis Carroll from his popular book Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Its name is taken from a dish that was popular in the Victorian period, mock turtle soup.

Then the Queen left off, quite out of breath, and said to Alice, "Have you seen the Mock Turtle yet?" "No," said Alice. "I don't even know what a Mock Turtle is." "It's the thing Mock Turtle Soup is made from," said the Queen. (Alice in Wonderland, chapter 9)

Carroll enjoyed such puns on Victorian fashions and etiquette, and showed this frequently. The description and drawing by John Tenniel gives comedic value to the Mock Turtle, as he is clearly an assemblage of creatures, therefore not a real turtle as his name rightly suggests.

The Mock Turtle is a very melancholy character, it is thought because he used to be a real turtle. He tells Alice his history of going to school in the sea, but cannot understand the school system that Alice describes to him- least of all the poetry she recites. Ironically, she cannot understand it either. This is a pun on the two meanings of "school", referring in the turtle's usage to a school of fish or marine animals, and by Alice to an institute of learning (see school). He says teacher was an old Sea Turtle called Tortoise and when Alice asks him why he was called Tortoise if he was a Turtle the Mock Turtle answers "We called him tortoise because he taught us!"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_Turtle

somebodynew 4 years, 4 months ago

And after that Smitty, - - - who is in JAIL and who is not !!!!!

BlackVelvet 4 years, 4 months ago

"David Nitz of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service brought no charges against the YH but Nitz did testify for the KUPD who illegally posted on the forum against the gag order."

exactly how did he testify "for" KUPD?

sr80 4 years, 4 months ago

she should of gone undercover and help bust all these thieves .then work out a deal.nothing to lose as far as i'm concerned.

kansanbygrace 4 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for following through, smitty. These issues are important and they influence every person in Lawrence, especially those too naive to realize it.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 4 months ago

for someone who wasn't in the courtroom, Smitty seems to "know" a lot about the cops involved and what they said/didn't say

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

actually, i was NOT at the prosecutors table

kansanbygrace 4 years, 3 months ago

No, it doesn't seem so. The perspective smitty presents is pretty well explained and many others are of similar experience. You don't have to agree.

Note the references to specifics smitty includes, and references to other works.

I don't see those in sot's reactions, just ad hominem generalities and nyah nyah.

If it's that upsetting to you, sot, why not just read something else and skip this thread?

Take_a_letter_Maria 4 years, 3 months ago

"smitty (anonymous) replies… kansanbygrace is proof positive that my struggle to expose civil rights by the majority of the legal system or at least that most all are complicit by turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to their career path is fruitful. We live in a very sick society."

Even your own copy and paste doesn't back this up. The HIGH end of any of your articles is an estimated 10% wrongfully convicted and in CHICAGO (never any questionable politics there) up to an estimated 20% of LEO committing perjury. None of this comes close to a majority or most. You missed your calling by about 45 years smitty. You would have been one hell of a 60's protester.

Cooky_the_Cook 4 years, 3 months ago

I googled "sevier murder," and there was nothing about the Lawrence Police Department. Are you referring to the justifiable homicide of Gregg Sevier back in '92? I could not find much about it. Did Gregg have a weapon, or did the police just walk in and shoot him?

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

ahhhh...once again, it is a crooked or ineffective lawyer to blame for CN's fate...damn are there ANY honest lawyers???

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

It would seem that according to Smitty, everyone EXCEPT CN has broken the law. How odd is that...

gl0ckUser 4 years, 3 months ago

Smitty That's because an Honest investigation would put a few retired LPD Cops In prison..... Why else would the chief of police Olin "Retire" then take a job at Ku as a security Person.....?

Was this a Jump from a sinking ship ?

Guy Neighbors is Still being Held with no Trial and its been almost 3 years. So 5 years with no trial, now he has been detained for 3 years with no trial. And the supposed Drug charges have been dropped.........(whats going on here ?)

Oh yea corruption at its finest.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

What exactly is your link supposed to be, glockuser? I went there and it appears to be several pages of documents, all overlaid one on top of the other, and you can't read hardly any of it.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

Nervous? Not in the least. I have nothing to be nervous about. I did not break the law. I am just a local citizen who is curious how so many lawyers, judges and cops could all be conspiring together against Carrie Neighbors. Why would so many risk their careers and reputations, not to mention prison, to frame Carrie? No one has yet answered that question.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

Well ya know, Smitty is smarter...er knows more...than anyone else. So if Smitty says it's so, then it must be so.

somebodynew 4 years, 3 months ago

You can call it "faith" if you want to, but most people (including some doctors) call it paranoia when you believe the "world" is out to get you despite even the people on your side saying you are wrong. And, excuse me, they HIRED some of those people so they would be looking out for them (oh, I know they were part of it too.)

somebodynew 4 years, 3 months ago

I do NOT mean to make it a personal attack. I have nothing against you or CN. But I try to be realistic - the entire world is not out to "get" YH, but yet whenever anything does not go the way they WANT it to, everyone is against them (even the attorneys they hired to help them).

Sorry, this song and dance is very, very, very old.

Amy Heeter 4 years, 3 months ago

So you are now saying that you expect law enforcement to be mind readers and somehow know that guy and carrie would sell stolen goods. Guy and Carrie should have declined to purchase stolen goods from all their relatives.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 3 months ago

Talking to Smitty is like debating the Phelps clan....a total waste of time

gl0ckUser 4 years, 2 months ago

HAHAHAHA .............seeker_of _truth you are funny. for those of you who are Grossly misinformed. Guy and Carries cases are currently in the

10 circuit court of appeals.

the briefs have been filed in the case against guy, they make the Gov't look really bad . The Ljworld should do a fallow up story.

BTW Guy still has not had a trial in 6 Years and he has been detained for the last 2 years with out a trial.

BruceWayne 4 years, 2 months ago

very time this comes up I ask the same question and never get an answer. Did Jessica ever finish her GED?

Flap Doodle 4 years ago

smitty, you may have set a record for most consecutive posts removed without being completely disappearededed. Woo hoo!

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