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Kansas officials outraged by Ariz. shooting rampage

January 9, 2011

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— Kansas officials say their prayers are with the victims of an Arizona shooting rampage that killed at least five people and wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

Republican Congressman Kevin Yoder called the shooting a "senseless tragedy" in a statement and said it was a "horrifically sad day."

Republican Congressman Jerry Moran said in a statement that Giffords "understands the value of listening to the concerns of her constituents." The shooting happened outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents.

Republican Sen. Pat Roberts, said in a statement that he was thinking about the congresswoman's friends, family, staff and all those affected.

Police say the shooter is in custody. The dead include a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl.

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huskerpower 3 years, 7 months ago

"The dead include a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl."

Couldn't have worded that just a little bit better?

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

grow up grandma. The game has nothing to do with what happened. You are very simplistic.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

You are claiming, violent games, violent hate language, unfettered access to guns. have nothing to do with the murderous assault? I don't know how your would know that without intimate knowledge of the assailants life? You claim parents have no responsibility to protect or restrict their kids from hyper violent games or activities, that politicians have no responsibility for courtesy in debate, that you have no responsibility in courtesy in debate? That mob behavior does not affect individual behavior.

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Liberty275 3 years, 7 months ago

"You are claiming, violent games, violent hate language, unfettered access to guns. have nothing to do with the murderous assault?"

Men were killing one another long before they had any of the things you list.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

So you claim all violence is just random acts that have no relation to how a person is raised, no relationship with what the community supports , that a violent culture has no effect on the persons in the culture? A person just suddenly acts violently with no provocation or stimulation, they go off. That a community has no weapons to reduce violence, it just happens and nothing affects the level or can stop it. I don't agree. While derangement can hit any family , any community, i don't agree that environment , family, culture, have no effect on levels of violence.

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Liberty275 3 years, 7 months ago

Did I claim all violent acts are random?

I do believe a psychotic person can act violently in a completely random manner, and I also believe a person can be exposed to every type of violent game, rhetoric and language, additionally having access to guns, and never harm anything.

We have to endure the occasional psychotic outburst because we aren't a society that pins scarlet letters on people lightly, and we certainly must risk violent games and language because those things are protected by the constitution.

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llama726 3 years, 7 months ago

The connection between violent media (particularly video games) and violent acts is tenuous at best, though. There's a lot more that we don't understand, including genetics and other psychological factors.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Maybe you should have a clue about the goings on with Mental Health in this country and leave the platitudes alone.
That is just an easy way to sound thoughtful, and say nothing at the same time.
Which wind? Which whirlwind Cait?

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Cut the platitudes Cait. It is a good way to sound thoughtful without saying anything. You don't know what you are talking about.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

So you are claiming the biblical reference to "sow the wind and reap the whirlwind" has no relevance to the issues of violence or political assassination? It seemed apt to me. It seemed more thoughtful to me than your silly denial that atmosphere, climate, family, rhetoric, racism, hate, community environment have any influence. The man probably is deranged, but it was sure easy for him to get a semiautomatic. The community stood up, an old woman and two men tackled the man stopping the carnage. Community, people, environment all play a factor in violence and stopping violence. With your stand, you stand and watch while the shooter reloads.

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raw 3 years, 7 months ago

Republican and tea party outrage rings hollow.

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KayCee 3 years, 7 months ago

The facts are that it is an outrage, but the perp is a leftist and a mental nut. This shooting has nothing to do with Rebs or TP.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, the perp was not a "leftist". In fact, given his choice of reading matter no one is very certain just exactly what this kids political leanings are. He pleaded the fifth and asked for a lawyer (an indication he may not be as crazy as people think) but prior to that he said the shooting was over health care legislation.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

See how you guys fundamentally misunderstand mental illness?
You can as psychotic as the day is long. It does not mean that you don't know what day it is or that you are in deep doo and you need a lawyer.
Jeez you guys just don't have a clue.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

You can be psychotic as the day is long and still be sane enough to know right from wrong and to participate in your own defense. This kid is screwed for an insanity defense.

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monheim 3 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry, but you don't get to just call people "leftist" because you feel like it. No, he was not a "Republican" nor was he a member of the Tea Party, so it is wrong of people to flat-out claim he was, if that is what your comment was meant to argue against.

However, if you go do some research on the types of things this guy was supposedly posting on his YouTube account and other places, he was very much a mix of schizophrenia and sociopathy and paranoid, anti-government very right-wing ideas.

I'm not going to try to claim that he was in any way representative of any other conservative moments like the tea party but come on...don't just call him "leftist" because it's a word you've seen other people you agree with use to talk about your opponents.

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Mike Ford 3 years, 7 months ago

If Yoder and the other chameleons distance themselves from the tea party clowns where will they get the anger from that got them to office. They have no substance, without harnessing anger, they have nothing. They went to the circus, they recruited the clowns, they answer to the clowns. Run, chameleons, run.

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KayCee 3 years, 7 months ago

The real clowns are those posters in Lawrence who can't understand that the Tea Party are ordinary citizens who are sick and tired of the direction the government is headed. I support their aims, and it ISN'T a gun we are aiming.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

Maybe it has to do with all of the guns that people openly bring to their rallies that give people that idea, Kaycee.

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blindrabbit 3 years, 7 months ago

Part of the vitriol of the Arizona situation was a result of our illustrious new Secretary of State Herr Kris Kobach meddling into Immigration issues that were whipped up by McCain, Kyl, Palin, Brewer and that idiot Maricopa Sheriff. Kansas ain't far off either with Brownback, Jenkins, Roberts and Kobach; we'll reap what we sow.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Blindrabbit, you are truly blind. Jeez.

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bd 3 years, 7 months ago

sounds like a sore loser

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verity 3 years, 7 months ago

Zaid Jilani, ThinkProgress: "As Egyptian Copts attended mass at churches across the country, 'thousands' of Muslims, including 'the two sons of President Hosni Mubarak,' joined them, acting as “human shields” to protect from terrorist attacks by extremists. The Muslims organized under the slogan 'We either live together, or we die together,' inspired by Mohamed El-Sawy, an Egyptian artist."

Muslims make up 80% and 90% of the population with 10% and 20% of the population belonging to the native Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, an Oriental Orthodox Christian Church.

It looks like we could learn something from them.

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purplesage 3 years, 7 months ago

Why have we heard noting about the others who were killed? And the conditions of the hospitalized remain a mystery.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 7 months ago

HIPPA. Your government protecting their medical information privacy.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 7 months ago

The news services have been noting that this disturbed individual was influanced by the poisonous atmosphere created in the country mainly by the teabag loons and their godess, Sara Palin. The sheriff in the county gave his opinion on this and I concur with him and others completely. But while Palin and the tea loons arecertanily deserving of this tag, I have heard no one mention the main culprit, the most vicious rabble rouser of them all, who has made a corporate enterpise and cash cow out of his definations of "conservative" and "liberal". Rush Limbaugh is the most despicable and degenerate of the herd and yet no one has mentioned his culpability to my knowledge. And those morons who send him money for his t-shirts, ball hats and newsletters are supporting him in much the same way the disturbed idiots who support the Phelpses.

Why does this son of Satan get a pass? He has been formulating rhetoric and assinine dialog with his callers for many years advocating the destruction of elected officials, legal government, and anything that will earn him a buck or two from his dysfunctional admirers.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

dumb dumb dumb dumb. To be sung to the tune of Dragnet.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

You are claiming, violent games, violent hate language, unfettered access to guns. have nothing to do with the murderous assault? I don't know how your would know that without intimate knowledge of the assailants life? You claim parents have no responsibility to protect or restrict their kids from hyper violent games or activities, that politicians have no responsibility for courtesy in debate, that you have no responsibility in courtesy in debate? You claim that mob behavior does not affect individual behavior. You take no responsibility for even your own opinion. that is a bit weak.

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Liberty275 3 years, 7 months ago

"You are claiming, violent games, violent hate language, unfettered access to guns. have nothing to do with the murderous assault?"

I play violent video games (but I like Forza better), I support anyone using any language that doesn't call for a specific act of violence, I have unfettered access to guns. I also would prefer a smaller government. Given all that, I would never consider harming any creature to achieve any ends outside of protecting myself and my family from immediate danger.

I refuse to accept the path of censorship, even if you believe it leads to the nirvana of peace.

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LloydDobbler 3 years, 7 months ago

It's not about censorship, it's about using good judgement in how you engage in political discourse. Take Bachman from Minnesota for example. During the election, she actually called for investigation of Democratic candidates for "un-American" activities. Now, you might not agree with Reid or Pelosi, but do they really rise to the level of "un-American"? I think not. McCarthy is dead and so to should be the concept of vilification for political gain. I can sit across from people with diametrically opposing views and can hold a civil discussion. That had better become the norm, or we have serious problems ahead.

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bd 3 years, 7 months ago

Another sore loser! Get a clue dude!

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Ralph Reed 3 years, 7 months ago

His comments were quite appropriate. He was making a statement of fact and you know it. Law enforcement officials deal with the results of the vitriol and poisonous rhetoric on all sides almost constantly. If you can't see that, you need to open your eyes.

Too bad if he happened to be a little emotional when he made that statement. Are you now going to fault him for doing his job when one of his friends (Judge John Roll), 9-year-old Christina Greene, 30-year-old Gifford aide Gabe Zimmerman, 76-year-old Dorthy Murray, 76-year-old Dorwin Stoddard, and 79-year-old Phyllis Scheck, were all killed? Tell me, what would you have done, been stony and emotionless - I seriously doubt that.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Ralph- statements like the Sheriff made are always inapropriate. It is not proffesional..not his job. One, it is under investigation, and two whatever happened to "Just the facts ma'am" Now it is "just the conjecture Ma'am." It just goes to show the basics in life that you don't get.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

Mein Kampf is "left leaning"? Wow. Just wow.

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Shardwurm 3 years, 7 months ago

lol

Amazing isn't it?

I guess if he followed both political philosophies he'd be a moderate!

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Liberty275 3 years, 7 months ago

Mein Kampf illuminated Hitler's plan to form a national socialist state.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

"National Socialism" as defined by Hitler was not "socialism". Hitler hated and despised socialists and Communists. In fact, they were sent to the so called "work camps" as enemies of the state along with Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals. But somehow I think you already knew that and were just trying to be a male donkey.

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Mike Ford 3 years, 7 months ago

I've never read Meinkempf. It sounds to me like the readings of a fascist. Here's an identification list for the thought deficient: 1. Creating a sense of superiority through religion and patriotism to judge others as loons and not worthy .2. Trying to constantly influence others to think like them through name calling judging and shaming, 3, trying to hammer through the same pointless social issues over and over, 4. Never admitting they're wrong. Having said this you know who you are, we know who you are, and why do you persist in great denial at what you do?

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independent_rebel 3 years, 7 months ago

If you swap "religion and patriotism" with "atheism and American guilt" your entire identification list describes liberals perfectly.

Both far-left liberals and far-right conservatives are close-minded sheep.

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Viper1962 3 years, 7 months ago

You haven't read Meinkampf either.

It's Mein Kampf.

LOL?

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

You are trying to apply logic to an illogical situation, it does not work. So.....stop. You know nothing of which you speak.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Both parties are guilty as hell. Read my post below.

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Mike Ford 3 years, 7 months ago

who did the shooter listen too? who has acted nuts to win elections on nothing but fervor and anger....not us...again it's on the loud people...who have I been calling loud people since barry penders was on here. you own it.

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independent_rebel 3 years, 7 months ago

I'm glad nobody has listened to far-left nut, Alec Baldwin. Remember this gem Baldwin gave us about conservatives, and Henry Hyde in particular, on national TV?

Baldwin said, "if we were in another country... we would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families, for what they're doing to this country."

I wonder if in all the examples that moron Keith Olberman has been sprouting about hateful messages he remembered to include Baldwin's rant on national TV. Has Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, or Palin said anything similar to this?

Sorry, but the neither the right not the left has a monopoly on fervor and anger. The right does not "own" anything on this one.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

Here's the deal. About twenty yrs ago. Gov Graves and Rachelle Chronister the director of SRS at the time decided to close a lot of state hospitals.
Republicans were all for this as they thought they would save a lot of money. Democrats were all for this as they thought it was important to save the "dignity" of the mentally ill.
Problem is that with the revolving doors at the MH agencies-like Bert Nash, and the abuse this has led to at ER's, and short term treatment facilities, there is no money being saved. And their is no dignity in sleeping an a refrigerator box under a bridge.
So no one wins. except the slap-happy politicians that don't care abour reality. They can hide behind their lies and smoke and mirrors.
And in the meantime, people just keep dying.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

And this happened all over the Country. I have worked in Mental Health for over thirty yrs. I say it happen, I lived it. So don't even try to argue with me.
And to all the liberals out there. You guys don't even ask the right questions. And the Sherriff should have kept his mouth shut. Giving out your personal opinion in situations like that is totally unproffesional, and he should be recalled.

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TopJayhawk 3 years, 7 months ago

ooops....should be "saw" it happen.

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bondmen 3 years, 7 months ago

I dare say there are some leftists posting here wishing to use this tragedy to benefit their desired expansion of government and they don't care how many dead bodies it takes to move their radical agenda forward!

Have they not bothered to read the information available about this lunatic shooter to understand he had serious personal issues unconnected to the real world of modern political discourse. Look at his videos. Read his poetic rants and ravings. Read what his fellow students and teachers had to say about his very strange behavior in the college classroom. See the UK story about the devilish shrine in his backyard. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html

Remember it is Obama who said "if the opposition brings a stick then we'll bring a gun" to community events! Remember transformational Marxists, via Sal Alinsky's teachings, purpose to never waste an opportunity of tragedy to advance the leftist cause! Watch as they try and stifle free speech and impose more gun control on law abiding citizens.

The People must stand up and say NO, no lunatic used by the left to advance their cause will take these freedoms and rights from US!

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ignati5 3 years, 7 months ago

I' d like to see a reference to the statement you have attributed to Obama

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

Obama's comment was a stupid one. But it just demonstrates how much closer he is to being a Republican than Republicans want to admit.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

By some accounts, the guy smoked a lot of weed. Connection to his mental state?

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

The perp lived about 5 minutes from the scene of the shooting. He was keeping it local.

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yankeevet 3 years, 7 months ago

Five american soldiers died a few weeks ago; and the media coverage was nothing; compared to what is going on now with this Arizona shooting.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 7 months ago

It seems that the issue here is how much the vitriolic political rhetoric influences people to act in a manner that is not normal or appropriate. Another question is how to measure which groups are most effected and how.

Looking at the behavior of Congress and some sections of the media over the last 2 years, I think we are starting to understand that there is definitely a cause and effect. The actions of our nation's leaders and the junk that comes out of their mouths does have a very negative effect.

Most business owners that I know are Republicans. What their representatives in Congress say and do has a direct bearing on how they run their businesses and how they purchase, hire and expand their operations. If the Republican leadership does not want the economy to improve for political reasons, it generally does not not.

We just came out of the worst economic debacle since the Great Depression and all Congress did was fight for 2 years. We still do not have the kind of financial reform most Americans are looking for. We still know that Wall Street does about whatevery they want and the banks are gambling with our money and investing in our overseas competition. Nothing has changed.

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yankeevet 3 years, 7 months ago

Well said; and so true...........

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

How unfair it is to quote examples of the vein-popping rage from the sinister side of the aisle! How you must be suffering. Poor, poor ag.

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bondmen 3 years, 7 months ago

Anybody recently been to the Democrat Underground website to read the rantings and ravings of leftists lathering up a poisonous, putrid foam on their lips? You talk about some lefty loonies on the loose! But I digress. We should focus on progressive hate to see the genesis of deconstructive, deleterious debate:

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

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bondmen 3 years, 7 months ago

Oh yea these right wingers are in control of comments made on Democrat Underground? What are you smokin' over there Agnostick?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php

Read it only if you can stand it.

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whats_going_on 3 years, 7 months ago

With all due respect to all parties involved and greatest sympathies to family and friends, I'm getting really tired of this story. Well, mainly the finger pointing going along with it. He's liberal-He's crazy-He's on weed-He's a Republican-WHATEVER!! Bring him to justice, and once we find out (IF we find out) that it was politically motivated, then we can work out what really happened. There's no point to assume anything at this point.

Ugh.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 7 months ago

Wouldn't it be nice if Palin and Gifford's opponent would just come out and say, "if our ads and websites helped to incite this nutcase, then we are very sorry". I'm pretty sure they didn't really mean to incite real violence. I may not agree with their politics, but I don't think they are evil people like this guy. I would be nice if Beck and Rush would do the same, but I can't see that ever happening.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

He appears to be a wacko, for sure, but he also appears to have specifically targeted Giffords, and even appears to have been planning this attack for an extended period of time.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Giffords is the rep for Loughner's district. The effect of propinquity shouldn't be ignored to give you a simpler narrative that fits your world view.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

You don't want to stand up for what you post? How sad for you......

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

"Wouldn't it be nice if dopers, pot smoking anarchists were banned from buying firearms?"

I guess that'd make your target practice much less risky, eh?

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Jonathan Kealing 3 years, 7 months ago

Yes, the AP bureau for Kansas and Missouri is based out of KCMO, so KCMO picks up the dateline. Typically this sort of story would come out of their Topeka bureau, but evidently AP had their KCMO staffers pull this together.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

"Is KCMO the city listed because that is where the AP has an office?"

That sounds like a reasonable assumption.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

"Felling" the same heat? I did like the comment that "AZ has morphed into Mississippi circa 1964."

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

One of Giffords' favorite charities creates special fund,Those wishing to donate can log on to: www.communityfoodbank.org . I thought it was nice of the family to direct support for them n this way. It is the old neighborly, bringing a dish to the family, in this case to the community table. I feel that any donation to local food banks in honor of her service and in reaction to the attack would be appropriate.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 7 months ago

"What we can tell about the AZ shooter: He was a pseudo-intellectual (look at his list of fave books. Nothing surprising, it's all very obvious) with mental illness who didn't have the ability to face the truth of the government without some sort of ability to 'shake it off' and live his life. Among his faves were high-school classics like Animal Farm and Fahrenheit 451 and "let's ps off people" classics like Mein Kampf and The Commie Manifesto. I claimed to like those books in HS too, to ps people off. He could only be more cliche if he'd included Catcher in the Rye. "

This is the take on the shooter of a very good friend of mine who is in his twenties. I think it's pretty spot on.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 7 months ago

I seem to recall a political event about a year ago where people walked around with semi-automatic rifles as a kind of protest or political statement of some kind.

Given this week's event, do you really think they would try to do the same thing again without getting an extremely negative reaction?

My guess is they would not care and they would do the same again. That is how stubborn some of these guys are. I think it is definitely time for the brats in Congress to start acting like responsible adults and tone down the rhetoric. And I would definitely be ready to pull the plug on some talk shows if they don't do the same.

At least go after their advertisers and ask them to pull the plug.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

And then another twist: "This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8. The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda. Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name. Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability. Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more..." http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

I don't know what motivated the shooting, if he acted alone, if he was mentally deranged and if he was influenced by politics and which side. One of Giffords' favorite charities now has a special fund,Those wishing to donate can log on to: www.communityfoodbank.org . I thought it was nice of the family to direct support for them in this way. It is the old neighborly, bringing a dish to the family, in this case to the community table. I feel that any donation to local food banks in honor of her service and in reaction to the attack would be appropriate.

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