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Kansas tea party illustration of Obama draws racism claims

December 12, 2011

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— A tea party group in Kansas says its depiction of President Barack Obama as a skunk is satire, not racism as the leader of a civil rights group alleges.

Hutchinson-based Patriot Freedom Alliance says on its website that like the president, the skunk is "half black, half white, and almost everything it does stinks."

The Hutchinson News reports local NAACP president Darrell Pope sees no humor in the depiction, which he calls a blatant statement of racism.

Local tea party supporter Chuck Sankey says former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been the target of worse insults than what's on the website.

Patriot Freedom Alliance meets regularly and has hosted rallies in the Hutchinson Sports Arena.

Comments

labmonkey 3 years ago

There we go again, throwing the race card. All these false charges of racism will eventually blind us to true racism.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 3 years ago

Like the false charges of socialism, communism, Nazi and class warfare will eventually blind us to the true forms of them?

Orwell 3 years ago

No, this is true racism. If you can't (or won't) recognize that, guess what?

ivalueamerica 3 years ago

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lawrencenerd 3 years ago

So because somebody insulted Sarah Palin it is ok to be racist? Not seeing the logic there....

Don Whiteley 3 years ago

What an idiot! I'm no fan of Sarah Palin, but It is absolutely what I have grown to expect from a liberal to claim that disparaging marks made agains their candidate should be off limits and stricken, while it's perfectly acceptable for them to make far worse and far more prejudicial remarks against other candidates.

bklonnie 3 years ago

Did someone say she was a horrible politician because she's a woman? Please fill me in, I don't watch Fox News.

EarthaKitt 3 years ago

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pace 3 years ago

The tea party isn't racists, some of them just look and sound racist. I do agree, some tea party members aren't racists, homophobics or armed.

Liberty275 3 years ago

I see no reason to insult skunks by comparing them to a liar.

dlkrm 3 years ago

+1 trillion. No, +5 trillion, 1 for every $ of Obama debt.

akuna 3 years ago

I don't get it. Nobody is comparing a skunk to Bush or the Republican party.

kochmoney 3 years ago

That's the same reason I don't compare boxes of hair to you.

Liberty275 3 years ago

"I don't compare boxes of hair to you"

I compared your posting history to a bag of hammers and found them similar.

"I don't get it."

Nobody expects you to.

pace 3 years ago

No one was comparing anything to you. Lib

jonas_opines 3 years ago

"Local tea party supporter Chuck Sankey says former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been the target of worse insults than what's on the website."

I love this common logic. "Since somebody else did something bad, then so can I!" Daily occurrence here on the Journal World, just about. Hell, it's about all that one or two posters can ever bring themselves to say.

"half black, half white, and almost everything it does stinks."

People can criticize the President without being racist (although some seem, from time to time, to disagree with that statement), but when you follow with a line like that, it makes it pretty hard to see anything else. If you decide to throw colors in, then don't be surprised when people say you're being driven by color.

jonas_opines 3 years ago

And you, for your transparently empty one, as well.

Alexander Smith 3 years ago

wow.. who is being racisit.. BING thats you!

yourworstnightmare 3 years ago

The caption said "Half-black, half white, and everything it does stinks".

This is certainly a reference to Obama's racial composition. Racism is a difficult thing to demonstrate, but there can be a strong case made by circumstantial argument building.

If you don't want to be called racist it might be a good idea to avoid making racial references, even as a joke.

Racist or stupid? You be the judge.

jhawkinsf 3 years ago

I agree that there is a fine line. But racist or stupid aren't the only options, nor are they mutually exclusive. It could be racist and funny. Or stupid and funny. Or racist and stupid. Or funny and insensitive. Or racist, stupid, funny and insensitive. Or many other words.

verity 3 years ago

Racist or not, can we get past this ignorant stupidity (I was going to say childish, but then realized I was insulting children) and talk about the issues? We are in serious trouble. We need to figure out how we can clean up our political system to make it represent the people and how we are going to provide jobs so people can take care of themselves, among other vital things. Hurling insults at each other is going backwards, not forwards.

There are certain people who come on here solely to agitate. They never have anything of substance to say. By answering them you are only giving them what they want---attention and the power to upset you. Please just ignore them. They may not go away, but we can keep them from setting the agenda for our conversations.

Liberty275 3 years ago

Good idea! Our health insurance just went up by 40%. It hadn't gone up by 1/4th of that in the last 10 years.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

It was the 'half-white' comment that really made the race-baiters' heads spin.

BTW - remember the dense flurry of funny pics going around the internet from 2000-2008 depicting comparisons of GWB's funny little chimp-like face to a funny little chimp? Can anybody explain why I can't do that today without getting a bunch of R-words* flung at me?

  • R-word: The use of the term 'racist' as a slur in lieu of a real argument. Similar to the N-word (nazi). Often used by frustrated ideologues who are unable to muster cogent arguments to support their otherwise inarguable positions

kochmoney 3 years ago

Being a white, rich New Englander who learned to talk like a Texan doesn't have historical baggage of being oppressed by being called a monkey or ape or being compared to an animal.

I'm afraid he'll have to live with the oppression of having to work half as hard as everyone else for his position in life, and one of the things he'll have to live with as he clears brush on his fake ranch, is that it's ok to call him a monkey if he really does have an uncanny resemblance to one. I know, it's a heavy burden. He can cry about it to his taxpayer funded secret service detail. At least he doesn't look like a loaf of ham with glasses, like Rove.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

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kochmoney 3 years ago

Using science fiction monkeys doesn't make it less racist.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

Yeah just as I thought. You've got a pullstring coming put of your back just like Suzy the Talking Doll.

kochmoney 3 years ago

Right. I couldn't possibly think that the comparison is a stretch at best and really is only there to dog whistle. You could have gone with Klingon or Feringi. Still not particularly accurate, but at least not racist.

Liberty275 3 years ago

"historical baggage of being oppressed by being called a monkey or ape or being compared to an animal. "

LOL. We are all animals and we are all primates not far removed from chimps. Why are people ashamed of what they are?

Liberty275 3 years ago

Help help! Darwin is oppressing me!

kochmoney 3 years ago

Did you get lost when you were looking for your bridge?

jonas_opines 3 years ago

So. . . since you've talked about something else entirely, are you not going to spend any time on this actual occurrence or the stated, rather loaded, artist's statement?

I mean, otherwise we might just think that you're trying to divert attention to something else that has only a nominal relationship with this actual occurrence.

jonas_opines 3 years ago

It didn't sail over my head, you simply offered up a false-equivalency, which appears to have sailed over your head, so to speak.

Kind of a weak joke to find so witty, regardless of whatever undercurrents may or may not be implicit. Not a lot of thought got put into it, I fear.

Alexander Smith 3 years ago

Dude..I am republican and I am offended by this. I read this article and the first thing I thought of was Fred Phelps... thats sad. This form of expression with the skunk is connected in history with racisim. This is another reason why the GOP and Tea Party are going to fail in 2012. They can't come together and get stuff done, all they do is throw slander. GOP has done nothing for us since they took over congress. The candidates are a joke and full of skeletons in the closet. Its a clown fest. They are mixing religion into politics. Conservatism ....sad to say... to the extend that the current GOP is pushing is dead. We are a global economy and we as the USA is falling behind..big time.

I don't agree with a lot of Obama's ideas, but he is our President and he is trying to work with both sides to get our country back on track. He has achieved a position in success that neither YOU nor I will achieve. I respect that and the Tea party morons that did the skunk... are a blemish on our American image. Its one thing to do freedom of expression..its another to do a racisit expression.

hedshrinker 3 years ago

People with big ears ordinarily don't get lynched, told they can't live in certain areas, denied employment other than poorly paid work that nobody else will do, etc. People with skin color other than white, as well as people of certain faiths, sexual orientation, and even women do have those kinds of experiences solely based on that characteristic. Please don't trivialize the horrors of racism by comparing it to political cartoons poking fun at more benign attributes.

oldvet 3 years ago

Funny that nobody here complained about these demonstrations that were held in the United States...

http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html

Jan Rolls 3 years ago

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mudnuts 3 years ago

Why is anyone amazed? This is how the Tea Party behaves and conducts business. They haven't a chance in 2012!

vuduchyld 3 years ago

Keep your tea away from me You've been drinkin, I can see I think I'll have a glass of lemonade Your slash and burn democracy Is not good public policy That tea is causing your intelligence to fade

(watch the music video here!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSh2q...

vuduchyld 3 years ago

You want to improve the economy? through nothing but fiscal austerity? You've got it backwards, even the blind can see balanced budgets don't fix an economy

we need JOBS and GROWTH to heal the country and the deficit shrinks with more activity Like we balanced a budget under Billy C. Look at the facts, study history!

It's time to make public policy That's based on a realistic philosop Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you're not free So please put down that effin glass of tea

(watch the video here!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSh2q...

Armstrong 3 years ago

@mudnuts

Nazi's, neocons, my personal favorite hatemongers, Tea baggers, wing nuts, I'm sure I left a few out. That's how the left rolls. You don't need to be amazed just open your eyes this is the daily vocabulary of the left. What is amazing is nobody crying about but...but... it's freedom of speech. So how many of the enlightened out there are ready to stick up for freedom of speech for the Tea party

Armstrong 3 years ago

Just making an observation that's all

kochmoney 3 years ago

Gee, I'm so glad you found a reason for racists to be the victims here. Nobody was trying to oppress their freedom of speech by pointing out that they shouldn't have said it, but don't let that get in the way of playing the victim card.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 3 years ago

Their right to freedom of speech, I have personally made my contribution to defend and will ultimately lose my life from having done so. But that does not preclude what they say from being judged by anyone upon whose ears their words fall. It is their right as well.

bklonnie 3 years ago

Thank you for your service, and opinion. I agree with you.

I'm sure Armstrong will be back on here with some smart-alecked remark back to you though.

bklonnie 3 years ago

So sad that you're not intelligent enough to see the difference between your scenario and the skunk one. 1977? Did you flunk out of high school, or even attend? My guess is no to the latter.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

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Alexander Smith 3 years ago

Remeber.. it was your lovely GOP that created this economic mess. Sadly, Obama got stuck with it when all the hidden stuff by the GOP did fall a part. Granted I don't agree with all that Obama had done..but at least we got a president now with balls and said..You know what.. we got to fix ourselves first.

As for dark times.. lets take a look.. how many GOP controlled states STILL ban gay marriage? Discrimination..what Discrimination?

pace 3 years ago

It is better to know them as sick racist bstd than those that pretend not to be and are. Sad that they want other people to pretend their denial of racism is accurate. In this case, it is racist. Instead of deny it's racism, it would be better if they denounced it themselves. If someone in my home did such a thing, they would know the outside of a firmly closed door. Let us call it another word, hate based on ethnicity.

bklonnie 3 years ago

But you see, that is the problem. They are pretending to not be racists. They say that it's just a "satirical" piece. Apparently they have a room temperature IQ, just like rockchalk1977.

For those that still can't figure out: the satire lies within a skunk stinking, like obama's politics stink (I agree with that assessment). That is where the satire ends. Period. Throwing in the black and white comment is pure racism. Is it protected under Freedom of Speech? Sure it is. But, don't make comments like that and then whine when people call you out on it. And if you're going to make statements like that, then have the sack to admit that you're racist.

Armstrong 3 years ago

Racism or fact ? If Obama is half black and half white ( he isin fact ) how can that be construde as racist. The rest poor taste yes but I remember tons of posters who support poor taste like Emma the poor taste poster girl for freedom of speech

pace 3 years ago

Racism or fact ? Answer racism.

jafs 3 years ago

Racism is the belief that somebody is inferior simply by virtue of belonging to a certain race.

Since it's a belief, we can't know unless somebody shares it openly whether somebody is a racist or not.

However, we do know that the attitude exists, and has existed in this country for a long time, and that for many years black people were enslaved, beaten, lynched, etc.

Just a question - how often is somebody's ethnic background discussed when they're not obviously in part a minority?

I don't recall folks talking about somebody's Hungarian American heritage, for example.

pace 3 years ago

I understand you are saying you don't think it was racist, and you don't want me think it was obviously racist. Just to clarify. it was racist. Get a grip. Because racism falls under freedom of speech, doesn't mean it isn't racist. Polishing the apple doesn't mean it ain't rotten.

pace 3 years ago

No, Musrun80, not only do I NOT think only republican/conservatives are racist. I never said anything like that. You are out of your mind.
Nor do I think all republican/conservatives are racist. I just said "Instead of denying it is racism, it would be better if they denounced it themselves. If someone in my home did such a thing, they would know the outside of a firmly closed door." I have shown people my door, some were republicans, some democrats, some I don't know or think they voted. I have shown two deadbeat Dads out, someone brought them as guests. I was told it wasn't my business. It is my business, you don't eat my canapes and stiff your own children, I kick out drunks, (not with their keys) and yes I would call a racist a racist.

pace 3 years ago

So to pose your argument, you say that I said something opposite of what I actually said. You are having a conversation alone in a room. You are ranting so loud you can't hear what another person actually said. That is, well, plain stupid. If you want to rant about something and not the topic I was discussing, try your own dime. Don't lie, use my name and pretend to your self or others that it is a conversation. Really stupid.
Present your argument, I could imagine a lucid argument you could present, I am tempted to. But I leave you responsible for your own, leave your mouth, your reasoning (?) off of my name. Practice typing, I think, not Pace said, unless you actually can follow what I actually say. Do not, - I am imagining what you would say if you said the opposite of what you said. Really stupid.

pace 3 years ago

Is your room padded? I hope you are comfortable.
I think there is a lot of racism, I could list several off the top of my head. It would not be my argument, the symbolism presented as President Obama was racist.
If you think your argument is pertinent , you have the right.
My questions is the tea party serious, in it for the long term? What are they standing for? Excuses or will they eventually come out or evolve as an openly racist party? Are people in the tea party afraid to confront the racists in their group?

pace 3 years ago

so you are claiming the tea party has always been openly racist and wants to start Helter skelter but with different music?

Bob_Keeshan 3 years ago

So to recap: Obama, racially, is half black and half white. So that makes him a skunk.

If he were all black, he would be a monkey or perhaps a tar baby..

None of these, of course, is at all racist. Which is why white southerners used to use "skunk" to describe individuals classified as mulatto.

And everyone knows the last place one would ever find racism is in the American south.

Alexander Smith 3 years ago

LOL..growing up in the SOuth... I know what your talking about. LOL

Liberty275 3 years ago

I lived in the south (sc and florida) 35 years and never hear of any person being described as a skunk.

jhawkinsf 3 years ago

I've heard people called skunks before. It was defined as a "cheat", or "dishonorable" person. No racial connotation.

Bob_Keeshan 3 years ago

And as everyone knows, a "cheat" is half black and half white.

question4u 3 years ago

"Local tea party supporter Chuck Sankey says former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been the target of worse insults than what's on the website."

Sankey was unable to elaborate on his statement, apart from adding "neener-neener," because he had to finish his paper route then work on his spelling homework before supper.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

Watch out, I'll call you a racist if you say that again. If you try and tell me how stupid that is, I'll call you a nazi, too.

Shelley Bock 3 years ago

Any more of those redneck jokes out there?

kochmoney 3 years ago

There, there. I know it's so hard being a victim like that. Thanks for coming in and reminding us. Poor you, boo hoo, such a victim.

kochmoney 3 years ago

There, there. I know it's so hard being a victim like that. Thanks for coming in and reminding us. Poor you, boo hoo, such a victim.

Mike Ford 3 years ago

what would one expect from the ethnically cleansed prairie......no Pawnee, Comanche, Kiowa, Kaw, or Osage mentioning....just the musings of the greatest offenders of all....those who say "Who Me???" say such things to get a rise because they have no intellect or any kind of intelligence to contribute to the conversation. For the record Mr. Obama's grandparents had a repair shop in Central Topeka and lived in Augusta and El Dorado and worked at Boeing. Mr. Obama's Dunham ancestors were Cherokee. I have Dunnam ancestors who went from the Carolinas to Mississippi in the early 1800's and were on the Dawes Rolls as Mississippi Choctaw rejected because they were actually Cherokee. The intelligent part of Kansas is always embarrassed by these people but what can one do...dumb people just don't listen....they keep embarrassing us....

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

While we are being distracted by ancient and irrelevant history, perhaps you'd like to openly share some of the of Native Americans' rich cultural practices of raiding, pillaging, raping and enslaving each other in acts of tribal warfare.

Oh, that's not the kind of embarrassment you had in mind because it happened so long ago? Sorry I brought it up, then. How about we go to the rez in NE Arizona and look at some of the inter-tribal racism going on there between the Hopi and the Navajo today? Oh, that's not relevant? Thanks for clarifying.

kochmoney 3 years ago

Hey, thanks! That makes white racism totally ok.

jaywalker 3 years ago

While I hope we all hope there will come a day when the mentioning of colors doesn't devolve into a racism debate, I don't believe one can argue effectively the connotations in the 'satire' were not deliberate. Some might argue it's a true description or that the President himself utilized his ethnicity during his campaign, therefore it's a double standard; sorry, doesn't justify the depiction nor free it from the back-handed smear.
There have to be dozens of ways to illustrate a metaphor that ONLY says the President "stinks". In this day and age, may all hope soon it will pass, injecting race in any way was unnecessary unless you wanted to deride the race. This was most certainly racist.

John Hamm 3 years ago

I'm really getting tired of, "If you don't like Obama you're a racist trash." I don't care what color he is. I only want him to do a better job than he has been.

pace 3 years ago

I am really tired that when racist trash mouth off or exhibit themselves there are apologists that deny it is racist because they dislike Obama and they feel their dislike is not racist. You are probably right, you dislike him for political reasons. But excuse me, why would that make someone who denigrates him with racial smears not a racist. Are you claiming that Obama is not hated by racists pigs? If the tea party stopped tolerating the racist remarks and imagery, they would be a better voice in the conversation. I agree with some of the tea party ideology, but I do not condone their tolerance of racism.

Mike Ford 3 years ago

gee rivercrow....been listening to Andy Rooney and his correct assumptions of history... or maybe George Will....old white guys always put up the I know everything front... couldn't be Bill O Reilly right.... why don't you study the Gnadenhutten Massacre of Christianized Munsee Indians in March 1782 by a Pennsylvania militia that didn't have the courage to attack the Shawnee, Delaware, and Wyandot warriors to the west and instead attacked pacifist Christian Munsees and tied their hands behind their backs and beat them to death. This was documented by the diaries of David Ziesberger who was the Moravian missionary who worked with them. Oh.... the descendants of these murdered Christian Indians live in this area so I'll put a face to the carnage. Sure... Americans know history....their mythical Apple Tree and Puritan history.

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

No, I haven't been listening to any of those people. I think for myself. Granted, it is not as easy as having some PC schmuck spoon-feed me pabulum like others on this forum do, but the need for honesty exceeds the need for comfort. And NO, I don't give care about what happened in 1782 because whatever happened way back then is not my fault, nor yours, nor anybody else's that you have ever met.

Would you like me to get out my family tree and then dredge up every atrocity committed by some other group against my ancestors and then go on and on about it like it was yesterday? How tiresome do you think that would get for myself and everybody else after awhile. Doesn't your obsessive fixation with the such a remote past ever get old to you? Don't you ever have a little voice in your head yell "SHUT UP AND GET OVER IT ALREADY"? I suspect you have, but frankly, if you listened to it, you would be forced to deal with the many more pertinent and pressing matters facing the NA communities today, and you would be hard-pressed to solve them without plain old self-accountability for the 'here-and-the-now' state we all live in.

Sorry that I'm the one who has to come out and spell this out for you letter-by-letter and word-by-word, but clearly, someone has to do it.

KS 3 years ago

If it is a racist remark, which race is being insulted? The white one or the black? Hummm?

Mike Ford 3 years ago

People with no conscience and no concept of history make uninformed comments like yours. The history you so summarliy dismiss like an American immigrant is not that far in the past. Maybe you should try to get a tribe restored by an act of the US Congress with it's plenary powers vested in the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution as I've done with this tribe for almost a decade now. Maybe you should try to reach and educate this class of gop dimwits on what the US Government should be doing instead of what a denialistic uninformed misguided soon to be minority of people by 2050 want done in their race back to 1955 or 1925 or 1895. Your comment is typical of uniformed conservatives. Oh well....

kawrivercrow 3 years ago

Your comment is typical of uniformed (sic) conservatives."

Ironically, I have a doctorate in a hard science and a registration card for the Democratic Party in my wallet. What I don't have are the pseudo-intellectual thought processes of a script-reading regurgaton.

Isn't it stereotypically funny how stereotypical stereotypes end up stereotyping the stereotypist?

TopJayhawk 3 years ago

And not a soul said a word about oldvets post of all the posters by the goofballs in San Francisco...

Typical...Oldvet nailed 'em, so of course they do what they always do...ignore it, and not answer.

Libs are so cowardly. they cannot debate fairly, they call you names. Or just won't respond, happens to me all the time.

jonas_opines 3 years ago

"Libs are so cowardly. they cannot debate fairly, they call you names."

Lmao. That's a. . . great line. Much more so that it doesn't seem that you can understand why.

Pretty sure we ran the gamut of those pictures a Loong time ago. You know, back when they first occurred, and were still relevant.

So the response now to them stays the same as above. If you have to bring up stuff that happened somewhere else, it usually means you're just trying to divert from the topic at hand.

Only a few on here would suggest that needless, shameful vitriol is not a hallmark of some members of all groups of people. But the fact that others have, in the past, done the same does not in any way excuse or justify another occurrence. Sorry.

Darrell Lea 3 years ago

A friend who shared the article on Facebook said the following -

"Stop calling them the TeaParty...they are Republicans."

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