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Basehor-Linwood teacher suspended

A second Basehor teacher has been suspended for an inappropriate relationship with a student.

May 29, 2009, 10:09 a.m. Updated May 29, 2009, 2:57 p.m.

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A Basehor-Linwood High School teacher has been placed on paid administrative leave as a result of allegations of an inappropriate relationship with a student.

According to Basehor Police Chief Lloyd Martley, a 16-year-old female student told school administrators on May 19 that she had been involved in a consensual sexual relationship with a 44-year-old district teacher. The teacher was suspended May 20.

Martley said the department was still in preliminary stages of investigating the allegation. He said police had been conducting interviews and hoped to send the case to Leavenworth County prosecutors within a week. No charges have been filed and no arrests have been made.

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Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 6 months ago

Don't reveal his name. The guy hasn't even been charged yet.

Jonathan Kealing

jaywalker 5 years, 6 months ago

I'm always surprised to hear about this stuff, even though the frequency is consistent.

doc1 5 years, 6 months ago

Too bad the teacher wasn't a girl and the student a boy. Nobody would care then. 16 is the age of consent anyway. Big whoop

KansasVoter 5 years, 6 months ago

This kind of thing has always happened, so why is it such a big deal these days? The only harm caused by these consensual relationships are the legal penalties for the person over 18 if they get caught, so I say let 'em do what they want.

curiosityandthecat 5 years, 6 months ago

doc1, May I remind you that there was a similar case in Lawrence about a year ago, where the teacher was a woman having relations with a male student...and she is in prison now. People did care.

KEITHMILES05 5 years, 6 months ago

On Thursday a female teacher in Junction City was arrested for being inivolved with a male student. Kinda weird how these things are popping up.

penguin 5 years, 6 months ago

Kansas Law changed a year or two to handle this situation. The age of consent does not apply for those who are teachers. In fact, the law I believe says teacher student contact is inappropriate up to 19 or after high school graduation...whichever comes first. Anyone who argues age of consent on this one probably does not have kids. The issue is not necessarily just the age, but the power that the individual has over the minor.

I have no idea why people feel that this is ever a viable option. Numerous examples have been given in this thread on those have been caught. Other examples exist throughout this state and country. Oh well I guess that is related to the neverending question of: why are people stupid? :)

KansasVoter 5 years, 6 months ago

It never ceases to amaze or disappoint me how scared of sex Americans are.

jaywalker 5 years, 6 months ago

KansasVoter's assanine entries are eerily familiar. New whacko or deleted-profile returnee? Who wants to play?

lawrence_kansas_usa 5 years, 6 months ago

How do we know it's a "middle-age man/young girl thing"?

It might be a "middle-age man/young boy thing"??

Who knows....

gogoplata 5 years, 6 months ago

Thats what I love about those high school girls...

Christine Anderson 5 years, 6 months ago

If a teacher had tried to have a sexual relationship with my daughter when she was still underage( she's now 20), he would have had to pray the cops found him before her Iranian father and I did!

sinverguenza 5 years, 6 months ago

Pywacket -

I have to agree. At age 16, I was taken advantage of by a 31-year-old. Wasn't a big deal at the time, I told myself. I was grossed out directly afterwards, but it took looking back years later to realize what a horribly disgusting and degrading situation it was. I'm still disgusted with myself, and most especially, disgusted with that horrible piece of sh*t.

Doesn't matter how mature you are at 16, you're still 16, and you have no idea how that kind of thing will affect you down the road. There's no doubt in my mind the grown up knew this was wrong, just like the man in my past knew.

No excuses.

jaywalker 5 years, 6 months ago

" I sometimes think they are pretending to be that dense, just to get a rise out of people. But then I think, no—they really are that stupid."

Actually, Py, I'd say it's pretty freakin' stupid whether they're frontin' or not. You'd be correct on both accounts.

I'm w/ya on deleted profile. That's 2 - 0.

beawolf 5 years, 6 months ago

misplacedcheesehead (Anonymous) says…

"If a teacher had tried to have a sexual relationship with my daughter when she was still underage( she's now 20), he would have had to pray the cops found him before her Iranian father and I did!"

Interesting. If I'm not mistaken, any pre-marital sex in Iran is illegal.

roger_o_thornhill 5 years, 6 months ago

I wonder how many times I've typed out all sorts of responses to various ignorant, depraved morons here before I just erased it all and shook my head in disbelief.

What a species! What a country! Woo Hoo! The price of "free" speech!

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

How oh how did I know that KansasVoter would be defending this? Oh yeah - read through his comment history and you'll see how he is always quick to defend sex offenders. I guess the subject hits a little too close to home? It scares me that this clown is a voter...

So KansasVoter - I know there is no changing your opinion. But, you know what? Teachers are in a position of authority. Any teacher who has inappropriate relations with a teenage student is violating this authority and the trust parent's put in the teachers to give their children - yes CHILDREN - a quality education. It's wrong pure and simple to violate this trust. If a teen consents to someone closer to their own age who is not their teacher...then big fat deal. I don't care if it's a sl*utty Lolita who actively pursues the teacher. It's an adult's responsibility to firmly discourage/end this behavior. Teenagers are kids in a grownup's body. They're still trying to figure out how the world works and don't need predators screwing with their mind. Adults who get off with children are pathetic.

It's not that "American's are scared of sex." Gimme a break! But whatever...I've got you pegged as a perverted pedophile (educated guess). So, obviously you're a bit sick in the head. I'm not sure why I'm bothering to waste a single breath on you. I'm sure you have a teenie weenie and you go after kids because you assume they won't know any better.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

roger - I probably should've done the same.

Kirk Larson 5 years, 6 months ago

I agree that circumstances where a person of authority is involved, there should be consequences. However, I urge people not to rush to judgment. For example, my nephew is a JR HI boys' PE teacher. He was accused of peeping at girls in the showers. Fortunately, the girls' PE teacher's office is situated such as to make that impossible and the girls' teacher spoke on his behalf. Turned out the girls just thought they had a way to get a teacher in trouble. It could have ruined his career. I think each case should be investigated, but don't think that kids' spite can't be a factor.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Cappy - I agree with you completely. It just makes me sick though, that KansasVoter feels that if it is true - that it's perfectly a-okay.

KansasVoter 5 years, 6 months ago

Thanks to everyone who posted and proved my point. You people are terrified to death about sex.

kthxbi 5 years, 6 months ago

I subscribe to the Dan Savage school of thought on this. If at the end of the relationship, the older person has left the younger person in "better condition", than live and let live. By better condition, I mean with more money.

KLATTU 5 years, 6 months ago

What do school employee's contracts say about sexual relationships between employees and students? Even if the pervs could possibly justify sex between a 16 year old and a 44 year old I'm guessing the 44 year old signed something saying that he wouldn't sleep with students. I don't have to ask my kids' school if they allow sex between teachers and students; it's a given that it's a no-no.

KansasVoter- are you sure it's not you that's terrified of dating a woman your own age? I have a very healthy sex life, and there is nothing wrong with me not wanting adults to sleep with my minor children.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Ok, you troll - I'll bite again. Exactly how do these posts prove anything? Nope, we're just disgusted by people in positions of authority who will take advantage of CHILDREN. Consenting adults - screw away. Personally, I'm a huge fan of sex!!! But, I'm just not attracted to little kids like you are.

Lemme guess - you also thought the dog rapist was in the right, too.

Alright - I won't encourage anymore of your pathetic rants. Just know that your "proof" wouldn't stand a chance in the courts. But, logic seems to evade you. I pray that you don't have any children.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

what Py said!!!

sexual relationship with a 44-year-old district teacher. The teacher was suspended May 20.

yeah, article gives no info as to genders. we're basing some of the reaction on postings of posters here.

it is illegal for teachers to take advantage of their power position to have a "relationship" with a student. explicitly illegal under kansas law.

apparently Kansasgoater has a serious sexual problem. hope not to be his neighbor!

Liberty275 5 years, 6 months ago

"imn"

You just slandered a person you dont know by labeling them a pedophile because they spoke contrary to your beliefs concerning a subject we have limited information about. That is far over the line. In fact it is sickening.

Liberty275 5 years, 6 months ago

"t is illegal for teachers to take advantage of their power position to have a “relationship” with a student. explicitly illegal under kansas law."

That is the hinge. Was he/she a student of his? Did he have control over the student. Not every teacher in a school teaches every student. I'm not even sure from the reporting that the student went to the school the teacher was teaching at.

rainyday50 5 years, 6 months ago

I was wondering...if the student is now 16, was he/she possibly 15 when the relationship started? That would significantly change the outcome, as it would then be a relationship with a child.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Liberty, is it really slander on an anonymous forum? I don't know who KansasVoter is and neither does anyone else.

I DO believe KV has some serious issues. On a previous article from February, KV said that it is wrong that it is called rape if an 11 year participates in consensual sexual acts with an adult. Um....I'm not making any assumptions about the guilt of the person in the article. But, someone who isn't a pedophile does not say stuff like that. It's not just a difference of opinion. I'm done.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Bottom line - don't say that sort of crap if you don't want to be labeled.

BigPrune 5 years, 6 months ago

Public school teachers having sex or "inappropriate relationships" with minor students is uncontrollable nationwide.

It seems like every few months there's some local teacher getting their jollies with one of our kids. What kind of evaluations do the school districts do to weed out these pervs?

This pales in comparison with the priest scandal.

http://karisable.com/crsssstr.htm

Liberty275 5 years, 6 months ago

Rape and statutory rape are different acts, at least according my understanding, so given your side of the story, he was correct. Words have meanings. When you water down the meanings or use them interchangeably you are contributing to the decline of our language.

As for labeling people based on what they say or think, that puts you in the realm of the mind police. Thats a really bad crowd to be in.

As for it not being slander because of it being on an anonymous board, there is no such a thing as anonymity. Even on the internets. Besides that, there may be people that know him IRL that also read/post here.

denak 5 years, 6 months ago

".....It never ceases to amaze or disappoint me how scared of sex Americans are......"

No, it is because we like sex that we don't condone sexual relationships that have been shown to damage individuals when they are young and impressionable.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Statutory rape is by definition a type of rape.

KansasVoter says: "As long as no physical force or intimidation was used, I don't think that it's really that big of a deal."


Okaaaay. He was talking about an 11 year old child! Consensual or not, it is a form of rape. And if KV is of the mindset that it is okay for an ADULT to have sexual relations with a child, I stand by my original statement that it's an educated "guess" that KV is a pedophile. So, "Liberty," if my guess or opinion which was not stated as factual, I ask again - is this slander?


Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community.


Let's pretend someone makes this statement on the forum: "I don't think it's really that big of a deal to discriminate against black people as long as we don't lynch them."

Would it be slanderous to say "hey, its my educated guess that this person is a racist."


Liberty -By your logic, I could just as easily label you a slanderer for calling me one - just because you don't agree with my opinion.

Sigmund 5 years, 6 months ago

logicsound09 (Anonymous) says… "Age of consent only applies if the two people in question are at least within 4 years of each other, I believe. So, 16 may be the age of consent, but by law they are only allowed to “consent” to a partner no older than 20."

Incorrect. A 16 year old can consent to sex with anyone who is also over 16 (including a 44 year old) no matter how "icky" anyone may find it and there is no crime. The ONLY reason this particular relationship is illegal is because of their teacher/student relationship, not age differences.

21-3520. Unlawful sexual relations. (a) Unlawful sexual relations is engaging in consensual sexual intercourse, lewd fondling or touching, or sodomy with a person who is not married to the offender if: .... (8) the offender is a teacher or a person in a position of authority and the person with whom the offender is engaging in consensual sexual intercourse .... (c) Unlawful sexual relations is a severity level 10, person felony. http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=11796

You may be thinking of the "Romeo and Juliet" provisions that applies to those who are 14 or 15 years of age. "The Romeo and Juliet statute applies to voluntary sexual intercourse and other sex acts if the act involves a child 14 or 15; the offender is less than 19 years of age and less than four years older than the victim; the victim and offender are the only ones involved, and the victim and offender are members of the opposite sex. The statute would have applied to Limon except for the provision limiting its application to acts between members of the opposite sex." http://www.kscourts.org/cases-and-opinions/supreme-court-summaries/2005/20051021-85898.asp

Sigmund 5 years, 6 months ago

lmn (Anonymous) says… "Statutory rape is by definition a type of rape."

All rape is "statutory" as are all crimes. Here is the Kansas rape statute:

21-3502. Rape. (a) Rape is: (1) Sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances: (A) When the victim is overcome by force or fear; (B) when the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or (C) when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug or other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender;

(2) sexual intercourse with a child who is under 14 years of age; (3) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a medically or therapeutically necessary procedure; or (4) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a legally required procedure within the scope of the offender's authority.

(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of rape under subsection (a)(2) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.

(c) Except as provided further, rape as described in subsection (a)(1) or (2) is a severity level 1, person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(2), when the offender is 18 years of age or older, is an off-grid person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(3) or (4) is a severity level 2, person felony.

Sigmund 5 years, 6 months ago

lmn (Anonymous) says… "Statutory rape is by definition a type of rape."

All rape is "statutory" as are all crimes. Here is the Kansas rape statute:

21-3502. Rape. (a) Rape is: (1) Sexual intercourse with a person who does not consent to the sexual intercourse, under any of the following circumstances: (A) When the victim is overcome by force or fear; (B) when the victim is unconscious or physically powerless; or (C) when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug or other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender;

(2) sexual intercourse with a child who is under 14 years of age; (3) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a medically or therapeutically necessary procedure; or (4) sexual intercourse with a victim when the victim's consent was obtained through a knowing misrepresentation made by the offender that the sexual intercourse was a legally required procedure within the scope of the offender's authority.

(b) It shall be a defense to a prosecution of rape under subsection (a)(2) that the child was married to the accused at the time of the offense.

(c) Except as provided further, rape as described in subsection (a)(1) or (2) is a severity level 1, person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(2), when the offender is 18 years of age or older, is an off-grid person felony. Rape as described in subsection (a)(3) or (4) is a severity level 2, person felony. http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=11778

oohmgrover 5 years, 6 months ago

Fire that skeezy jerk, there are about five hundred people who could take his teaching position in a heartbeat. Speaking of, I'd love to know at least what subject he taught, I need a teaching job myself.

Ralph Reed 5 years, 6 months ago

I'm not defending, but right now it's allegations. Regardless, the teacher's career is toast in Basehor-Linwood. Might be time for him or her to look for a new job, perhaps even profession.

Thanks for the statutory quotes Sigmund.

In any event, the teacher is (was) in a position of authority over the girl. That in itself is coercion and emotional force placed on the student; this, by any definition is wrong.

I do find it interesting that we, here, have already convicted the teacher based simply on a very short article in the LJW. (Is it right to do that without knowing everything?) However, that being said, if the teacher is charged, tried and convicted, then I see nothing wrong with letting him/her go in an open field while making the announcement of the release time and specific location. It would be terrible if he/she met with a hunting accident, wouldn't it?

Tom, check your pm.

daschie88 5 years, 6 months ago

If the girl was 16 and said it was consensual then the only thing he's guilty of is having an inappropriate relationship with a STUDENT. Had she not been his student and it was consensual then there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Unfortunately the same thing happened in my high school a couple years ago but the girl happened to be fifteen at the time and so the mother of the girl pressed charges. Its too bad that there are not more protective laws for students against icky teaches. Hopefully things work out for the best.

Sigmund 5 years, 6 months ago

sinverguenza (Anonymous) says… "At age 16, I was taken advantage of by a 31-year-old. Wasn't a big deal at the time, I told myself. I was grossed out directly afterwards, but it took looking back years later to realize what a horribly disgusting and degrading situation it was. I'm still disgusted with myself, and most especially, disgusted with that horrible piece of sh*t."

I am sure lots of people have similar feelings about their past partners no matter their ages. No offense but broad generalizations from your past experiences is little more than your personal prejudice and bias.

RalphReed (Ralph Reed) says… "Thanks for the statutory quotes Sigmund."

You're welcome. I got tired of reading loads of nonsense from the usual suspects. To turn a phrase, ignorance of the law is not an excuse for ignorant posting about the law.

daschie88 (Anonymous) says… "Had she not been his student and it was consensual then there is absolutely nothing they can do about it."

Nor should "they" as the couple has done nothing illegal.

daschie88 (Anonymous) says… "Unfortunately the same thing happened in my high school a couple years ago but the girl happened to be fifteen at the time and so the mother of the girl pressed charges."

Technically not true, the State can and will press charges regardless of the wishes of the mother or daughter.

daschie88 (Anonymous) says… "Its too bad that there are not more protective laws for students against icky teaches."

What more laws do you want, it is already illegal. Make it double-super-duper illegal?

sundancewierdo 5 years, 6 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"My boys have been telling me about this for at least a week or more. I don't suppose I should say who it is, should I? Better not. How dim-witted do you have to be to think you wouldn't get caught.

Jonathan Kealing, is it out of bounds to reveal his name?"

Wow, so much for innocent until proven guilty.

lmn 5 years, 6 months ago

Sigmund - I too, appreciate you posting the statutory information for clarification. Thanks!

Christine Anderson 5 years, 6 months ago

Hi Beowolf: To answer your curiosity, yes, any premarital sex in Iran is illegal. My point in my earlier post was that my ex's culture is also very protective of their children, esp. daughters. That's why I said that IF anyone had tried pulling that with our daughter, God help him. He and I would have teamed up to "take care of things", and that's why he would want the cops to catch him first.

kugrad 5 years, 6 months ago

Teacher contracts don't say anything about this sort of thing other than the employee abide by Board policies and that would include sexual harrassment policies. Coming on to students would be mentioned in those policies whether illegal or not. I think one poster made an excellent point - make sure the person is guilty first, because kids now know that they can get adults in trouble by making claims. That being said, I don't want to diminish the validity of the student's claims - I have no knowledge of the facts of the case. It is hard for victims of rape and/or sexual harrassment to come forward as it is.

Christine Anderson 5 years, 6 months ago

Forgive me, fellow posters, but just to add a bit of levity to Beowulf's comment that premarital sex is illegal in Iran. On the "books", yes. That is, of course, post 1979 Islamic revolution. However, trust me; premarital sex does still go on over there. Whether or not it is prosecuted would depend on how religious or not the families of both partners are, and whether or not the Islamic government found out about it. The "funny" thing is, my ex told me tales of his adventures as a teenager in Iran(before the revolution). He lost his virginity at 15, with a girl his own age. Yes, by their standards, naughty boy. Says he walked into his home afterward, and his mother somehow just "knew", and let him have it verbally! Also, even though it is illegal, not all Iranians are against premarital sex. I know; our 20 yr. old daughter being born just shy of nine months after our wedding was proof.

GucciMama 5 years, 6 months ago

This male teacher has been doing this since my freshmen year of high school, which was back in 1997. Everyone knew about it, including the administration. I'm just surprised it took this long for him to finally get caught.

daschie88 5 years, 6 months ago

Well, sigmund, the state would only press charges if there was evidence. The mother is the one who found the suicide note stating that the girl would rather kill herself than live without the teacher. So had the mother not found that note signifying that the relationship was really taking place, then the state couldn't do a darn thing about it.

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