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Governor urged to veto provision that would divert funds from Planned Parenthood

Parkinson urged to veto budget provision cutting $300,000 from organization

May 19, 2009

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Curt Brungardt, the stepfather of Jana Mackey, who was murdered in 2008 by her ex-boyfriend, speaks Tuesday to a group outside the Capitol in Topeka, urging Gov. Mark Parkinson to veto a provision that would divert approximately $300,000 in federal funds away from Planned Parenthood. The provision was put into the budget by lawmakers who oppose abortion.

Curt Brungardt, the stepfather of Jana Mackey, who was murdered in 2008 by her ex-boyfriend, speaks Tuesday to a group outside the Capitol in Topeka, urging Gov. Mark Parkinson to veto a provision that would divert approximately $300,000 in federal funds away from Planned Parenthood. The provision was put into the budget by lawmakers who oppose abortion.

— Gov. Mark Parkinson was urged Tuesday to veto a budget provision that would divert away from Planned Parenthood about $300,000 in federal funds for family planning services.

About 25 people rallied outside the Capitol and then delivered to Parkinson’s office a petition signed by 3,000 Kansans in support of birth control, sex education, family planning and emergency contraception.

Holly Weatherford, a lobbyist for Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, said that without the funding, the organization’s clinic in Hays may have to shut down, and its clinic in Wichita will have to turn away women from getting basic health care services.

Pedro Irigonegaray, a Topeka attorney, said the de-funding provision was an affront to equal rights for women.

“In order to have freedom, we need people to step up to the plate and say, ‘I’m not indifferent,’” he said.

Curt Brungardt, the stepfather of Jana Mackey, a Lawrence resident and avid women’s rights advocate who was murdered in 2008 by her ex-boyfriend, also spoke at the rally, urging a veto of the provision.

“What Jana taught me is that issues of women are all about equality,” said Brungardt, who is a professor at Fort Hays State University. The National Organization for Women also participated in the rally.

The proposal was put in the budget in the last moments of the legislative session by lawmakers who oppose abortion.

“There is simply no reason in the world why the taxpayer dollars of hundreds of thousands of pro-life Kansans should be used to underwrite abortion providers in this state, particularly those under criminal indictment and investigation,” said state Sen. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, one of the authors of the budget provision.

Huelskamp was referring to a case filed by former Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline against Planned Parenthood in Overland Park that includes 107 charges of falsifying abortion records and performing illegal late-term abortions. Planned Parenthood denies the accusations.

Those at the rally noted that the federal funding at issue cannot be used for abortions. The Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park is the only one that does abortions, and it receives no share of those federal funds, Weatherford said.

But Mary Kay Culp, executive director of Kansans for Life, urged Parkinson to allow the provision to become law, saying that it would redirect the $300,000 to public clinics and hospitals.

“Especially in an era of drastic funding problems for state hospitals and ‘safety net’ clinics, why in the world should a highly profitable private abortion business gobble up our tax money?” Culp asked.

Jeanne Gawdun, of Kansans for Life, said Planned Parenthood’s distribution of contraceptives encouraged sexual activity, and when the contraception failed, it resulted in more abortions.

“They’re in the business of selling abortions,” she said.

Weatherford, with Planned Parenthood, however, said the organization was a trusted provider of family planning and reproductive services. The group helps more than 10,000 low-income, under-insured and uninsured women per year in Kansas, she said.

Parkinson’s office declined to say what the governor would do about the provision. He received the budget bill on Friday and has until Monday to act on it.

Comments

logicsound04 4 years, 11 months ago

"Really, does Vokswagen hand out an Adolf Hitler award? PP's highest honor is the Margaret Sanger Award, most recently given to Hillary Clinton in March of this year."


Well, count me among those who think it's stupid to name the award after her, given her extreme views.

I'm sure they named the award such because she founded Planned Parenthood, but given her other views, maybe they should rename the award.

At any rate, my point, that Sanger's views on eugenics have little to do with Planned Parenthood's current-day mission, remains.

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Tex 4 years, 11 months ago

"Margaret Sanger's personal opinions have about as much to do with modern-day Planned Parenthood as Adolf Hitler's personal opinions have to do with modern-day Volkswagen."

Really, does Vokswagen hand out an Adolf Hitler award? PP's highest honor is the Margaret Sanger Award, most recently given to Hillary Clinton in March of this year.

"Everyone that keeps harping on making abortion legal needs to shut up unless they start adopting every unwanted child and make arrangements to adopt and cover all prenatal expenses for mothers that don't want to keep their babies. Unless you are willing to do that, then you need to just be quiet."

Fair enough. Will you promise to never say a word about people who beat or starve their dogs unless you're willing to take in every abused dog?

"And unless you have a uterus, you have no say."

First of all, can you spontaneously generate children single-handed? Second of all, debating the ethics of an issue doesn't require direct involvement. Did one have to know a slave to debate that slavery was wrong? How many people debating the ethics of our country's current military involvements are active duty military or citizens of Iraq or Afghanistan?

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 11 months ago

It's really telling that they had to "slip this provision in at the last moment" of the process. They really don't want to have a debate, since it will a) delay a much-needed budget, and b) raise the profile of the discussion to the point where their nonsensical, misguided approach to the topic won't cut it.

Gov, I think a veto is in order.

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kmat 4 years, 11 months ago

"Oh my gosh! You might have to actually practice responsible sexuality if funding for irresponsibility is cut. What a not new concept."

These are the ignorant comments that really make me steam.

What would end up cut is not funding for abortions. We fund education and basic female healthcare through PP. Those funds help educate and provide birth control to responsible people.

Everyone that keeps harping on making abortion legal needs to shut up unless they start adopting every unwanted child and make arrangements to adopt and cover all prenatal expenses for mothers that don't want to keep their babies. Unless you are willing to do that, then you need to just be quiet. Everyone has an opinion, but don't harp on others for their beliefs or actions unless you are willing to solve the problem by making sure that every child is wanted and has a safe home. There are thousands of children looking for homes. Go focus on them instead of the unborn.

And unless you have a uterus, you have no say. Yes, it is a double standard. Just like a guy getting some is a stud and a woman getting some is a slut. Double standards do exist. Those without female anatomy have no say in what we females can do with our bodies.

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greenlid79 4 years, 11 months ago

"They don't say one word about the children who die needlessly every day because of lack of health care coverage. They claim this title of “pro-life”, but it should really be termed pro-birth. After they are here, they don't care whether they are immunized or whether their familes are broke and devastated after an illness for which they have no coverage."

Very good point, getreal. It seems there are so many prolifers who really can't logically wade through a complex issue like this. They start with the idea that it's wrong. Period. Then there is no room to rationally discuss the issue. It's really a lost cause. Many assume EVERY thought of an abortion is just evil and selfish. There do happen to be instances where carrying to term shouldn't be an option because the life that comes will likely be full of suffering just because of circumstances. Certainly not every case is like that... and some people ARE very irresponsible about their choices. But to me, that is a valid (dare I say responsible?) motive for the procedure.

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KS 4 years, 11 months ago

porch_person - A miscarriage is a natural process and NOTHING can be done about that. A pregnancy should only be terminated in a natural way. If one doesn't want to be pregnant, think about that before hand. Regarding rape or incest, it is what it is. Sounds cold and cruel, but life is not negotiable. Regarding "salvage fetuses with no brains or water filled heads who somehow make it to term..", I suggest that some of them have made it in politics. That's also cold and crude, but it is what it is, as they say and in my opinion not negotiable. As I indicated earlier, this is NOT a political issue. This is NOT a democrat or republican thing. This is life. Without it, you can't be a democrat or republican.

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logicsound04 4 years, 11 months ago

"Anyone interested in Margaret Sanger's true mission, the one PP never, ever wants to talk about?"


Margaret Sanger's personal opinions have about as much to do with modern-day Planned Parenthood as Adolf Hitler's personal opinions have to do with modern-day Volkswagen.

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"you all have the prescription to treat the symptoms of the disease without going to the source of the disease…personal responsibility,"


So you're saying you would like to legislate personal responsibility?

Whose standard of responsibility should we use?

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getreal 4 years, 11 months ago

There is no way to reason with these people who would deny poor women the right to family planning, they are the same people who refuse a national healthcare plan to provide coverage to millions of children. This is not about religion or they would be beating down the doors of Congress to provide healthcare to every single American in this country. This is all about using a political wedge designed to divide the American people and advance the Republican agenda of wealth and privilege for a few.

They don't say one word about the children who die needlessly every day because of lack of health care coverage. They claim this title of "pro-life", but it should really be termed pro-birth. After they are here, they don't care whether they are immunized or whether their familes are broke and devastated after an illness for which they have no coverage.

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

Oh my gosh! You might have to actually practice responsible sexuality if funding for irresponsibility is cut. What a not new concept.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

Tex,

Infants have already been born. I've seen this error in multiple posts around here.

KS,

Not all pregnancies create viable life. Over half of the terminations of pregnancy occur naturally. Naturally. More than half. More frequent than abortions. They are called miscarriages and they are quite common. I don't hear you crying out for the lost souls who aborted naturally. I guess there's no political capital in that.

I also don't hear you proposing programs to salvage fetuses with no brains or water filled heads who somehow make it to term. I also don't hear you weighing in on rape, incest, or those obstetric situations where the decision has to be made to abort a fetus to save the mother's life.

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barrypenders 4 years, 11 months ago

merrill makes a great post! Liberal men should take some responsibility and segment their ductus vas deferens. The modern liberal females they sweet talk that end up pregnant, need to avoid baby D&C's that could lead to infections or worse.

If the leading a horse to water is not going to assure that it drinks, water needs to be taken to it.

"Kids" for fun is no longer needed for the human population's best interest.

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Tex 4 years, 11 months ago

"The beauty part is, these are easily proven historical facts. Similar to those you are quoting. Are you ready to paint the Bush family, inc. with the same you use for the founder of Planned Parenthood? Don't want to further examine the deeper layers of hypocracy inherent to the direction you're taking this discussion?

Didn't think so."

Do you assume that anti-Planned Parenthood=Bush dynasty supporter? If so, you would be mistaken. I'm not even Republican. And, while I'm not an atheist, are you aware that there are many intelligent, rational atheists (liberals, even!) who are vocal critics of abortion? Nat Hentoff comes to mind. I'm not opposed to tax dollars being used to make basic health care services available to women (and men, for that matter). I am opposed to tax dollars being given to an organization who, as a large part of its mission, kills infants. That may be the other side of M. Sanger that PP doesn't want to discuss; some sources quote even her as being opposed to abortion.

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KS 4 years, 11 months ago

KansasVoter - This is not a Democrat or Republican thing! This is about life. Without life, one can nether be a Democrat or Republican. I have difficulty understanding why you think a political party should be involved in an argument about life?

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Since we are now exploring eugenics and are pulling away a bit from the topic at hand, Prescott Bush, father of George H. and grandfather of George W. Bush, supported the Nazi war effort with materials (steel), monetary aid (from the banks he ran and funds he was vested in, and the war planes he helped finance), therefore he supported the efforts of Hitler and the Third Reich in their use of eugenics and genocide in WWII. And this was nearly thirty years after the founding of Planned Parenthood. In fact, Prescott Bush was charged with war crimes(under the Trading with the Enemy Act) and the four corporations he was running had all assets seized, due to financially aiding the German war effort. He was never brought to trial or prosecuted due to a presidential pardon by Eisenhower, and managed to regain the ill-gotten gains after the pardon.

The beauty part is, these are easily proven historical facts. Similar to those you are quoting. Are you ready to paint the Bush family, inc. with the same you use for the founder of Planned Parenthood? Don't want to further examine the deeper layers of hypocracy inherent to the direction you're taking this discussion?

Didn't think so.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

ArumerZwarteHoop,

I thought people weren't supposed to go all "double dumba$$" in a rational discussion here. Does this mean we can ignore you now?

Did you get that date math problem solved or is that the source of your frustration?

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Tex 4 years, 11 months ago

"PP Mission Statement… “Founded by Margaret Sanger in 1916 — more than 90 years ago — as America’s first birth control clinic, Planned Parenthood believes that everyone has the right to choose when or whether to have a child, that every child should be wanted and loved, and that women should be in charge of their destinies.”"

Anyone interested in Margaret Sanger's true mission, the one PP never, ever wants to talk about? Google "Margaret Sanger" and "eugenics." I've actually been reading her book "The Pivot of Civilization." Here's a quote from her book: “More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief issue of birth control” Here's another Sanger quote:"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics..." PP's founder was a eugenicist. period. And in what way does PP ensure that only "loved" and "wanted" children are born? Furthermore, how many of the most accomplished, talented, brilliant people in the history of civilization were not loved or wanted, and how many of them would have never been born if PP had been around (read: a lot of famous folks came from large, "unregulated" families)?

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Original_Me 4 years, 11 months ago

Mary~I myself take condomns where they are offered, by the handful. Nothing to be ashamed about. The shame is in finding out positive test results from either an STD or even a positive pregnancy. Eew, I know girls who meet someone at a party or a bar & have sex with them that same night. Some used, some didn't. There are a number of places that have, "Free" or "Help Yourself" containers of condomns. Condomns rock!

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MaryKatesPillStash 4 years, 11 months ago

You're right, Original_Me--condoms are not difficult to carry around. In fact, I get mine at Planned Parenthood.

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Original_Me 4 years, 11 months ago

Get right in there. How can you determine a comfortable opinion to stand for if you don't know the facts? Imagine being invisible & being on the spot at various times with various people who ought to be using birth control or protected sex. Who are the ladies trying to get abortions? How old are they? Have they been spoken to by an adult about sex before? What led them to get pregnant in the first place? What were the circumstances at the time of conception? It isn't hard to carry around condomns. It isn't hard & does not take long to think, "All my choices have consequences. If I don't find out, I won't know." I'd rather be right here blogging & getting boo-ed at than to be the one people are arguing about because I don't make responsible intercourse habits. Last time I knew, herpes & HIV don't have cures & treatments don't help everybody (but do help to some extent). "I don't know if I love him/her." "He's/she's married." "We had sex only once." "I was drinking." "I was high." "I was so aroused." "I really wanted him/her." "He's/she's so hot!" etc.etc.etc. The talk afterwards? So predictable. Condomns are tough now days & all that crap about them "breaking" is such bull. Just be more responsible about your sexual habits in such a way that you are trying to avoid any bodily fluid exchanges & you will be fine. There. Problem solved. You bet I'm smug about this topic, because I know what it is like to be irresponsible & responsible with my body & my choices.

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beobachter 4 years, 11 months ago

strs, provide some facts for your claim.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 11 months ago

"prolifers,"

The irony of your post is that you indeed have the right to be outraged at your tax dollars being used to fund unjust wars. And I have the right to be outraged that my tax dollars are being used to exterminate 1/3 of every generation since January of 1973.

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prolifersforwar 4 years, 11 months ago

Let not the forceps of Injustice pinch our Values! Tax dollars should never ever ever fund things with which we disagree with Supersized Moral Certainty. When they asked me if I minded if my tax dollars supported the last two invasions that our country performed I said "Absolutely! I support those invasions fully! Here, let me check the extra 25 dollars box, to be used at Rummy's discretion!" Those are Just Causes. But how dare you support abortions with my tax dollars!?! That would be wrong. Case closed, you godless hippy communist femi-klingon metrosexual Broncosfan latte-sucking Frenchy freedom-hating liberals.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

I have five children. Lends no credence to anything of merit in this discussion.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

AR_

I am concerned at the broad strokes you are using in your posts. They insult the intelligence of those reading them. When they sound more like prosetylization than fact, it becomes much more difficult to render as logical, as well as sounding unduly moralistic and self-righteous in tone. Share facts without so much sensationalism and it will be simpler to discern the logic of your reasoning.

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TacoBob 4 years, 11 months ago

sandersen, do you have children?

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

sanderson "We must endeavor to create an environment where discussion, education and personal responsibility meld into an effort to build stronger, more well-informed and competent humans who leave shame and denial in the past in favor of communication and mutual respect for each other."

The tone of your first line in the response lacks respect that you speak...watch your hippocracy. I agree with this to the point that you will have to read between the lines of what I wrote to go deeper into the meaning of them to understand...don't limit yourself to the possibility of a great truth in what other right. You must show respect to get mutual respect.

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Chris Golledge 4 years, 11 months ago

"Jeanne Gawdun, of Kansans for Life, said Planned Parenthood’s distribution of contraceptives encouraged sexual activity, and when the contraception failed, it resulted in more abortions."

Right, because the first thing that people think of before a hot date is, "I'd better run down to the clinic, just in case I get lucky." I suspect it's more of a, "I'm going to do this anyway; I might as well take some precautions."

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Igby_

Yikes. Reading that was painful, sheer torture...

Coherency is obviously out of vogue.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Absolutelyridiculous.... An apt moniker.

Respecting one's self does not equate to being asexual. Sexuality is a natural fact of the human experience, as natural as breathing! We must endeavor to create an environment where discussion, education and personal responsibility meld into an effort to build stronger, more well-informed and competent humans who leave shame and denial in the past in favor of communication and mutual respect for each other. Regardless of our personal differences, it cannot be possible to state the clear logic of embracing tactics that add to the problems rather than solving them.

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igby 4 years, 11 months ago

Grim is always been in fashion, just go down town and look around! Freaks are everywhere, a lot of freaky looking metal faced and tattooed up freaky chic's.

Why they don't want to look like sexy women is a fact! They don't want to attract the wrong type, someone normal.

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

madameX...This IS the reality. Grim?...yes. Even more grim, is children that aren't loved and wanted, and children that are aborted. Reality...sex is for procreation and it carries a huge responsibility. We've lost respect for the most basic of life. We've become very hedonistic.

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madameX 4 years, 11 months ago

So in your world women only have sex to make men like them, not because they want to? That's a pretty grim view.

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

PP Mission Statement... "Founded by Margaret Sanger in 1916 — more than 90 years ago — as America’s first birth control clinic, Planned Parenthood believes that everyone has the right to choose when or whether to have a child, that every child should be wanted and loved, and that women should be in charge of their destinies."

Margaret's thinking didn't go far enough...if we strive toward the highest ideal...women will not allow themselves to be treated as sperm collection systems, men will own up to his responsibility of being masculine, both will chose when to have a child together in a loving, supported environment of a father and mother, a child–no matter the fiscal situation–deserves to breathe it's first breath of oxygen and should be loved inside as well as outside the womb. Women SHOULD be in charge of their destinies and that destiny is in jeopardy when they think they have to perform sexually to be loved by a man.

If you want to truly empower a woman...tell her to respect herself. If you want to see a man understand his responsibility of being masculine...teach him to understand it.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 11 months ago

Many couples talk about "we're pregnant". Yes Mary and Joe can be pregnant is some sense.

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kmat 4 years, 11 months ago

The award for most ignorant comment goes to (drum roll please and hand over the envelope) - Original me!!!!!! Congratulations!

"You provide a place that distributes ways to avoid contracting std's & unplanned pregnancy's, it contributes to people thinking, “Oh well if I get an std I have some place to go get tested & treated.” Or, “Oh well if I get pregnant I can go to the free clinic & get an abortion.”

I'm still sitting here with my jaw dropped.

The comments on here show that most of you have no clue what PP really does. The tax dollars they are given help to provide basic medical exams to women with no insurance and very low incomes. You pay PP based on your income.

I recently went there for a regular exam because no OB office could get me in for over two months. They saw me within a couple of days and were actually better than the OB I usually go to.

And for those saying that because they will give a referral for abortions so they should be shut down - guess what? OB's give referrals for abortions. Regular doctors do to. Should we shut down all practicing doctors offices? When I found out I was pregnant a couple years ago, without me asking I was given a form by the OB's office listing abortion providers in KS, if I had an interest in that.

Ignorance rules the right!

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Original_

Reality, meet denial.... Many sexually active people who have unplanned pregnancies are in monogamous relationships.

And the structure of your sentence is baffling... Which proves my point that sex-ed and english class are both very important prerequisites in school...

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Original_Me 4 years, 11 months ago

Getting an std, hiv, or pregnant is not an accident for irresponsible, sexually active people.

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cthulhu_4_president 4 years, 11 months ago

"Porch person you may be the very dumbest person I have ever had a discussion with."

Funny, I have thought the same thing about you once or twice, given your hatred for facts that contradict your baseless opinions.

"..Your father should have pulled out."

Now, now, Arumer, play nice. This doesn't sound like the attitude of someone who "values and protects all human life".

You must love how your foot tastes, because it ends up in your mouth whenever you try to have a discussion.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 11 months ago

Porch person you may be the very dumbest person I have ever had a discussion with. Your father should have pulled out.

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Ray Parker 4 years, 11 months ago

Planned Parenthood is proven to be involved in a nationwide criminal pattern that is shielding from law enforcement the rapists that abuse and exploit our children, in addition to illegal abortions. I demand that my tax money go to a worthwhile organization instead. We're watching you, ex-RINO Parkinson.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

Oops, I stand corrected. I didn't see the last line. Absolutelyridiculous, my apologies.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

absolutelyridiculous,

Before someone else beats me to it, some forms of birth control involve men.

Merrill said nothing about men becoming pregnant but nice try.

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TJ_in_Lawrence 4 years, 11 months ago

Karrin:

Who said anything about politics? I said the money is better spent in a public clinic that benefits all the medical needs of low income people, not just the "reproductive" needs. Health Care Access and clinics like them can treat men, women & children, including "women's reproductive" health issues.

I say give the money to a public health clinic like Health Care Access who can provide the same services and more, and benefit a larger population of folks who need it.

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Original_Me 4 years, 11 months ago

I hope they stop giving money to those planned parenthood places at all, forever. "Build it, & they will come." isn't any different than "Provide it & they will use it." You provide a place that distributes ways to avoid contracting std's & unplanned pregnancy's, it contributes to people thinking, "Oh well if I get an std I have some place to go get tested & treated." Or, "Oh well if I get pregnant I can go to the free clinic & get an abortion." Pawleez! Help people make better sexual encounter choices rather than contribue to the "after-the-fact". If those planned parenthood folks want money, then they need to change their services to just providing free birth control methods for both men & women. C'mon ladies, the smartest women (& the strongest) are the women who don't make excuses!

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

merrill...pst, before they jump all over it...men can't get pregnant yet.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 11 months ago

Jeanne Gawdun meet Planned Parenthood and note that abstinence is among the methods of birth control:

Birth control allows us to prevent pregnancy and plan the timing of pregnancy.

* Abstinence
* Birth Control Implant (Implanon)
* Birth Control Patch (Ortho Evra)
* Birth Control Pill
* Birth Control Vaginal Ring (NuvaRing)
* Birth Control Shot (Depo-Provera)
* Birth Control Sponge (Today Sponge)
* Breastfeeding
* Cervical Cap (FemCap)
* Condom
* Diaphragm
* Emergency Contraception
* Female Condom
* Fertility Awareness-Based Methods (FAMs)
* IUD
* Outercourse
* Spermicide
* Sterilization for Women
* Vasectomy
* Withdrawal (Pull Out Method)

People have used birth control methods for thousands of years. Today, we have many safe and effective birth control methods available to us.

All of us who need birth control want to find the method that is best for us. And each of us has different needs when choosing a method. If you are trying to choose, learning about each method may help you make your decision. Use the list of birth control methods above to read about the methods.

Only you can decide what is best for you. And we are here to help. A staff member at your local Planned Parenthood health center can discuss all of your birth control options with you and help you get the birth control you need.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control-4211.htm

Education = fewer pregnant men and women

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

sanderson...government funding of corporate organizations is corporate welfare...I thought you guys were against that?

Like most issues...you all have the prescription to treat the symptoms of the disease without going to the source of the disease...personal responsibility, self-control and respect for others. A female is not a fun bag and shouldn't be treated as such. Man up boys...you are not a tool...if you go get loaded and knock up some girl, you are scum. Girls...have some self-respect...you are not an object, don't let guys treat you as such.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Walmart and Home Depot are not 501(c) not-for-profits, and they provide no services to indigent and low income women and men. They do not provide reduced-rate healthcare or contraceptives.

Your point was?.........

One irony of this debate is that those least likely to support assistance for those families who had no access to birth control and have an unplanned pregnancy are those most resistant to funding family planning, scientifically accurate sex-ed and easy access to contraception.

Logic flies out the window when unfettered opinion wanders in...

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

ArumerZwarteHoop,

If you don't know the meaning of the words you string together, find an editor.

Infants are outside of the scope of a discussion on abortion or am I going to have to explain what stage of development an infant is in to you?

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. If you can, do the date math and then tell me who is on the wrong side of history.

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karrin 4 years, 11 months ago

TJ- Low-cost reproductive healthcare providers are limited in Kansas. There is only one other "safety net" clinic in the Hayes area & they refer patients to Planned Parenthood because they can offer their reproductive healthcare services cheaper than they can. Why should we make it harder on people to get this low cost healthcare...because of politics?? I would like to think that the health & well being of Kansans is worth more than a political statement. Please veto this amendment Governor Parkinson!

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 11 months ago

My tax dollars should NOT be funding Planned Parenthood just like it should not be funding WalMart or Home Depot.

In 2008, Planned Parenthood received 34% of it's funding from government grants.

The IRS classifies the Planned Parenthood Action Fund as a 501(c)(4) not-for-profit organization. Contributions are not tax-deductible. So those who contribute are not doing it for the tax right off...they have blood on their hands.

Go ahead...let the squeeling begin.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 11 months ago

I said nothing about women as property, I am commenting on father’s rights, which are constantly trampled on.

Do you see infants/fetuses as the private property of women? to do with as they please?

One day when all human life is valued and protected that will be considered an archaic feminist ideology. You are on the wrong side of history.

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abw2102 4 years, 11 months ago

For several years I was without health insurance from my employer and Planned Parenthood was the only women's health center that would accept me and provide an annual pelvic exam for a reasonable fee. I called an area hospital and they tried to refer me to their indigent care department. Uninsured women need to have a clean, safe place to receive basic health care.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

Sandersen, showing surprising power, delivers a souvenir to the cheap seats.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Cure for abortion = education, access to contraceptives, open family dialogue...

Except in the case of rape/molestation. Every woman should have the right to abortion in those cases. No exceptions.

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

ArumerZwarteHoop,

Men don't make that decision. Women do. Women aren't property in this day and age.

No wonder you guys have lost this issue with thinking like that.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 11 months ago

What percent of men will have their child murdered while in its mother’s womb. Men have reason to be concerned with laws that allow the murder of their children.

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KansasVoter 4 years, 11 months ago

porch_person is right. The republicans are desperate right now. They're at their lowest point in over two decades, and they're forced to use the only tricks that will still work on their gullible followers--guns and abortion. They're not going to convince anyone to join the party with that crap, but their base absolutely loves it.

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cthulhu_4_president 4 years, 11 months ago

"this sudden push for one of their bread and butter issues becomes all too clear."

You got that right. It's entertaining, also, how abortion never was a "bread and butter" issue until they really, really, needed that evangelical push at the polls a couple of decades ago, isn't it?

Any true conservative would celebrate the right of a woman to do what she wants with her body. Ironically enough, the modern conservative party has sold it's soul to the church!!!

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porch_person 4 years, 11 months ago

Since the conservatives have lost almost every other social issue they've had control of for the last eight years, this sudden push for one of their bread and butter issues becomes all too clear.

It's fallback time to the tried and true. Because nothing else is working.

In other news, the law of the land is STILL Roe v Wade. Has been for two generations now. Likely to be overturned. Nope.

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cthulhu_4_president 4 years, 11 months ago

"Abstinence is the only pregnancy and std prevention technique that is 100 percent effective when it is applied."

You are also 100 percent sure to never die in a car accident if you never step in a car......ever.

However, if you still want to drive, and are satisfied with a pithy %99.9 percent chance of not getting pregnant, then simply apply a condom.

It always fascinates me that those who traditionally want smaller government are lining up waiting for the government to tell them what to do on this matter. Frankly, your communist agenda disturbs me.

It is estimated that %78 of anti-abortion proponents are men. It is known that %100 of those men will never be pregnant.

Leave this one up to the ladies, and get your noses out of their business.

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TobiasFunke 4 years, 11 months ago

Left_handed (Anonymous) says…

sandersen,

Abstinence is the only pregnancy and std prevention technique that is 100 percent effective when it is applied.

This abstinence thing you speak of has been a real popular and successful lifestyle thus far, so why not make it the only option we provide our youth. That's the problem, it's never 'applied'. Maybe there would be less unwanted pregnancy, and thus less opportunity for abortion, if kids were educated with a nod to reality and prepared for certain situations.

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TJ_in_Lawrence 4 years, 11 months ago

I think that 300k should be funneled to an organization like Health Care Access that benefits all low-income people. They could help many many people with that amount of money. It seems like Planned Parenthood only helps a small portion of the homeless and low income and only with one area of their need. Public clinics are a better use of tax payer money and benefit a larger segment of low income Americans.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Health departments do give referrals for abortion providers to women who are considering it. They are required to, as it is a legal procedure under the law.

Anything we can do as a society to help reduce unplanned pregnancies, as well as abortions, is an important task. However, ending funding for family planning and contraception is at odds with the end goal, and is an illogical leap, regardless of your personal feelings about the legality of abortion in the United States.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 11 months ago

"That clinic doesn't provide abortions- only family planning, healthcare and contraception." - sandersen

But that clinic provides referals for abortion, so they're slime.

"I suppose you want to shut down all our local health departments as well? They also provide those services…" - sandersen

Our local health departments do not perform abortions. Planned Parenthood does. You're comparing legitimate healthcare services such as pregnancy testing, STD screenings, and cancer screenings with the single most egregious component of modern society, i.e. legal abortion.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 11 months ago

As most of us know, Planned Parenthood is the largest, most successful, most prolific aborter in the nation. Astonishing, then, that it receives million$ upon million$ in taxpayer funding every year. Of course, Planned Parenthood will say that your and my tax dollars can somehow be segregated from its abortion business. But that's impossible because money is fungible. The government enables the continuation of abortion by funding Planned Parenthood's annual budget.

Any co-mingling of taxpayer dollars with the abortion business is a moral outrage. If Planned Parenthood wants to be respected for the few legitimate health care services it offers, such as cancer screening, it must get out of the abortion business. End taxpayer funding of abortion in Kansas.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

Left_

Also an ineffective policy of education, in an imperfect and non-clinical setting called our world. It has never been a working practice, which is why earlier generations were married off between 12-15 years of age. Sexual behavior is an innate aspect of our humanity, one that cannot be shut off or altered, but can be balanced with education, open communication within families and by education that provides accurate scientific data and focuses on personal responsibility.

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loudmouthrealist 4 years, 11 months ago

KS What you are saying is( SEE FIRST POST):

Uninsured and under insured Kansas women should NEVER receive basic reproductive health care paid for by tax payers money.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

That clinic doesn't provide abortions- only family planning, healthcare and contraception. I suppose you want to shut down all our local health departments as well? They also provide those services...

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Left_handed 4 years, 11 months ago

sandersen,

Abstinence is the only pregnancy and std prevention technique that is 100 percent effective when it is applied.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 11 months ago

"...without the funding, the organization’s clinic in Hays may have to shut down..."

We can only hope.

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sandersen 4 years, 11 months ago

How ingenious! Let's lower the amount of unplanned pregnancies by cutting funding for contraception and family planning!

This makes as much sense as abstinence-only sex ed, and would be just as ineffective. I find it amusing/troubling that the skyrocketing teen pregnancy rate throughout the Bush era of "virginity rings" and such illogical programs is so quickly forgotten. A well educated population with easy access to family planning and contraception are the most effective means to a drastically reduced rate of both unplanned pregnancy and abortion. Period.

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KS 4 years, 11 months ago

Planned Parenthood should NEVER be funded with tax dollars, PERIOD!

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