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Tiller’s family says Wichita abortion clinic to close permanently

June 9, 2009, 10:53 a.m. Updated June 9, 2009, 5:07 p.m.

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— The family of slain abortion provider Dr. George Tiller announced Tuesday that Tiller’s women’s health clinic in Wichita would be shut down permanently.

The decision prompted calls by abortion rights advocates for someone “to pick up the torch” in providing reproductive health services.

“While many anti-choice organizations may claim this as a victory, no person’s death at the hands of an extremist should be considered as such,” said Marla Patrick, state coordinator for the Kansas National Organization for Women.

“Our dedication to safe and legal abortion services remains unwavering,” Patrick said.

Tiller, whose clinic provided late-term abortions, was fatally shot May 31 while serving as an usher at his Wichita church. Anti-abortionist Scott Roeder, 51, is being held in Sedgwick County on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in Tiller’s death.

Gap in services

Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri said the closure of Tiller’s Women’s Health Care Services “creates a significant gap in access for women and families in Kansas — no one is providing that service between Kansas City and Denver.”

In 2008, a total of 10,642 abortions were performed in Kansas; 323 were at 22 weeks or more gestation, according to state records.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the closing of Tiller’s clinic will be a problem for women.

“Persistent harassment including violence, threats and intimidation, and legal restrictions on abortion, deter new doctors from entering the field and force skilled physicians out.

“The Center for Reproductive Rights hopes that other doctors will be brave enough to come forward and continue Dr. Tiller’s critical work of providing services to women,” Northup said.

Continue the probes

In a statement, Kansans for Life, which opposes abortion rights, said of Tiller’s Women’s Health Services in Wichita, “This facility was on the verge of being closed by the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts, so it is especially tragic that Tiller was murdered.”

KFL was referring to allegations made in a disciplinary petition filed by a panel of the Healing Arts Board.

The allegations were that Tiller failed to get referrals for late-term abortions from an independent physician, as required by law. Tiller denied the allegations, and had been earlier cleared of similar charges by a Sedgwick County jury.

If the full Healing Arts board had agreed with the allegations against Tiller, his medical license could have been revoked or suspended, but a hearing on that case had not yet been scheduled when Tiller was slain.

Kristi Pankratz, a spokeswoman for the Healing Arts Board, said the agency will close the petition in the Tiller case.

“With the death of Dr. Tiller there is no action to go against his medical license,” she said.

The allegations before the Healing Arts Board involved 11 late-term abortions in 2003 to patients aged 10 through 18.

Kansans for Life called on the board to revoke the medical licenses of other doctors who worked at the clinic. But Pankratz said there were no disciplinary petitions filed against those physicians.

Comments

local_support 6 years ago

If anyone thinks the end justifies the means then they don't truly respect life. It's as simple as that.

Music_Girl 6 years ago

I am glad the clinic is closing. However, I am very much pro-life and do NOT condone the actions of the man who shot and killed Dr. Tiller. Pro-life means respecting ALL life.

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

local_support (Anonymous) says…

If anyone thinks the end justifies the means then they don't truly respect life. It's as simple as that.

The murderer was a radical. Not the baby murderer, but the baby murderer murderer. The baby murderer murderer was a radical just like the unibomber, who was a left wing whacko.

MeAndFannieLou 6 years ago

Score a big one for the doctor-killers.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

And statements like your last one, TheOriginalCA, make you part of the terrorist support network.

ImTooOldForThis 6 years ago

Does anyone know if Tillers dumpster still there? Is it blocked off or anything?

notyourmom 6 years ago

This is sad to me. I believe that a lot of worthwhile services were provided at that facility. Like birth control, women's exams, prenatal care for women not looking for abortions as well as abortions, and other things in the field of "women's health". This truly is a loss for women. I hope another clinic opens in that area to provide these important services.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years ago

bozo,

Do you think you can shame and guilt the pro-life community into silence with ridiculous comments like that? If so, you are mistaken.

Kathy Getto 6 years ago

I agree, notyourmom, it is a sad day for women's rights.

Noweigh 6 years ago

Terrorism wins again. If you disagree with something, kill it or blow it up. Not much different than our friends in Al-Qaeda. So much for a nation of laws.

grammaddy 6 years ago

So the terrorists win???! Too sad, although I do understand the reasons behind the clinic closing. Just too sad.

staff04 6 years ago

It's disappointing that this whacko zealot, in concert with Operation Rescue and the rest of the anti-choice movement were successful in stifling lawful activity not only through the broader movement's thinly veiled threats of violence, but through several cases of actual violence.

I echo the above comments that this is truly a loss for women in need of medical care--especially those unable to travel. Unfortunately, some will likely pay with their lives--lives of breathing human beings.

staff04 6 years ago

Silent or not, STRS, if you are not ashamed of your association with Scott Roeder, then you are truly shameless.

BigDog 6 years ago

People, people ..... don't you recall at all .... we can no longer use the word terrorist or terrorism .... it is a man caused disaster

Ernest Barteldes 6 years ago

It's a sad day for those who believe in freedom of thought. Remember, Dr. Tiller's practice was a lawful one. Protesters were exercising their constitutional rights as well. Some might argue that Tiller was a "baby-killer," but at least he was not -- in the eyes of the law - doing anything illegal.

KansasVoter 6 years ago

This is proof that terrorism works.

yourworstnightmare 6 years ago

Terrorism is effective. This is why people all over the world, who do not have the law on their side, resort to terrorism.

The pro-life terrorists have succeeded in preventing legal late-term abortions.

They could not achieve their goals by legal means, even with 8 years of the most conservative pro-life president ever and a GOP-controlled congress.

So, the pro-life movement has relied on assassination and terrorism to achieve their goal.

It was effective. The terrorists won.

yourworstnightmare 6 years ago

Not only is it a sad day for women's rights, it is a sad day for the rule of law.

What's next?

Think that teachers are corrupting youthful minds with evolution and sex education? Terrorize 'em with threats and acts of violence.

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

Pro-life terrorists have killed far fewer humans than the pro-abortion terrorists.

dweezil222 6 years ago

SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

bozo,

Do you think you can shame and guilt the pro-life community into silence with ridiculous comments like that? If so, you are mistaken.

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An ironic statement, since clearly the tactics of the pro-life community are intended to shame and guilt the pro-choice community into silence.

jonas_opines 6 years ago

Abortion as we know it is likely on the way out. Very few new physicians are willing to take on the huge stigma and obvious dangers of the profession. Something else will take its place. My guess is it will be of the chemical variety, since the rhetoric disguises a total lack in pursuit of real solutions to the real problems that cause abortion.

BigDog 6 years ago

These kinds of acts should never be okay in our society regardless or which side you may be on ... on this issue or other dividing issues

Whether it be abortion, environmental, gay marriage, war, imigration, etc. Violence toward others on the opposing side, threats to those on the opposing side, or destruction of propoerty of those on the opposing side ..... should never be okay.

And you can't condone it in one situation then condemn it in another.

I in no way agree with anything that comes from the Phelps family, but I will defend their right to express it .... without vandalism, threats or physical attacks upon them.

Hawk6643 6 years ago

Prove it prolifersforwar. Also, please prove the existence of Jesus as well, I am sure that is where you got your viewpoint from.

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

75x55 (Anonymous) says…

Oh, puhleeze, jonas - Tiller performed a relatively small percentage of late-term abortions.

Nice spin, what it really means is that out of the 60,000+ people that Dr. Killer murdered, only a few thousand were late term.

storm 6 years ago

I'm pretty sure this article means women's health care factility since Dr. Tiller didn't operate an abortion clinic. He did however provide abortions as one of many services offered. I wonder why the press doesn't call a podiatrist who operates a foot care facility, the toe-nail extractor. Hope the patients can get the help they need and deserve.

labmonkey 6 years ago

Whatever happened to women's rights being equal work for equal pay or bursting through glass ceilings? Why does it have to involve murdering the unborn? And why is this a bad day for women's rights, just because they can't carry an unborn baby to full term then decide to abort it?

I would like to echo what Music_girl said. Best post on this thread.

labmonkey 6 years ago

Storm-

Women can go to a doctor who doesn't have blood on his hands. The kind of services such as birth control can be obtained from about any gynocologist or many general practicioners.

remember_username 6 years ago

There was someone shouting "Hallelujah!" loud enough to be heard throughout the building a little while ago, and I thought they we just cheering the thunderstorm - now I know.

As for terrorism? I must frequently remind myself that I live in a state that was born in terror, fought no small number of terrorist campaigns against a neighbor, and idolized a hanged terrorist so much that his image is immortalized in the state capitol. Let us call out this Roeder fellow for the publicity seeking murderer he is, and not elevate him to the position of terrorist.

motocross 6 years ago

Who is worse? The man who killed 60 thousand babies or a man who killed one? Kind of a point to ponder...

wordgenie8 6 years ago

Blessings to the family of this precious, slain doctor.Tiller's family made this announcement in a very classy, respectful, and professional way. Someone at least cares about serving women and meeting their healthcare needs and protecting their privacy.

motocross 6 years ago

that makes me sick... yeah, 60,000 women had their needs met by having legal murder done. THEY WERE AT LEAST 5 1/2 months pregger too! Wake up

9070811 6 years ago

Abortion Clinic?

Women's Health Care clinic is the correct title for his facility in the headline. Seeing as they did not just abort fetuses but also provided other services.

Good point, Storm.

Lab Monkey--

Do you really think that all women can afford a lbgyn or even a general practicioners?

In case you didn't realize... Dr. Tiller was a doctor who chose to help all women, regardless of income, or lack thereof.

jonas_opines 6 years ago

75x55 (Anonymous) says…

"To claim he was the “only one” or “only one of two or three left” is inaccurate at best, and more likely purposefully deceptive. He provided a lot of cover for a lot of people."

Could you kindly show the logical links that took you from my post to your own, because they seem to only have a casual relationship to each other.

snoozey 6 years ago

Another dark victory for the ignorant, uneducated, intolerant and a sad loss for those of us who believe in freedom and thought.

Music_Girl 6 years ago

Extremism is bad regardless of the issue. To generalize that all pro-lifers are terrorists is absurd. It would be equally as absurd to say that all pro-choicers are terrorists. It's simply not true. This man was a radical extremist, not the poster child for the pro-life movement. I have read many statements from several hardcore pro-life organizations condemning what Mr. Roeder did.

Thats_messed_up 6 years ago

Awesome news! Tiller 60,000 Babies 1 Good to see these accomplices unemployed like most of you LJW bloggers LOL.

Imastarr 6 years ago

For all the people who seem to think this is the only place for women in Wichita to get health care, you’re wrong. Wichita is the largest city in Kansas. This is definitely not the only place low-income women could obtain health care. Abortions, yes. Everything else is still available here.

Steve Jacob 6 years ago

"a victory for all the unborn children." Scott Roeder

Giving a terrorist the fear he wants, I just shake my head.

missmagoo 6 years ago

a sad day for women's rights.... this is a shame.

vega 6 years ago

Prolifersforwar: "So much hate to give. Where is the new fight? "

maybe just continue old fights: put creationism and guns in schools, keep death penalty, no health insurance for all, lots of great causes instead of building things up!! just name any of them and keep these little fingers busy typing their hate.

jjt 6 years ago

Would somebody from the anti abortion view please explain why they feel that a woman whose baby has died in the womb say 2 months prior to birth should carry to full term?

dweezil222 6 years ago

Hey anti-abortion crowd, no one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to go seek an abortion. Don't like it? Don't do it. But you have no right whatsoever to enforce your moral views upon those who have no desire to have them. We've declared that abortion is NOT murder, so calling it that is nothing more than empty rhetoric without the force of anything meaningful behind it. The law regards life as beginning at birth. If you don't like it, change it. But given that you've had 30+ years to do so, and haven't been able to convince a majority to change the law, democracy has spoken, and the will of the majority is evidently that life, legally speaking, begins at birth. At some point, you're going to have to accept that the law is what it is.

justthefacts 6 years ago

For those in or near Wichita who need medical help but cannot afford it, here you go: http://www.wichitawellness.org/

If they cannot help someone, they'll help you find the help you need.

ClaroAtaxia 6 years ago

It's REALLY simple everybody:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE!

Give other's the respect to make their OWN decisions. If we all would just learn to respect each other, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I don't like abortion, and I don't think anybody really does, but if you take away someone's right to have one, then maybe we should take away your right to practice religion? It's called personal liberty, GET OVER IT!

Amy Heeter 6 years ago

The clinic is closing because there is no one to perform the money making late term abortions. You see there isn't much profit in passing out low cost birth control.

jonas_opines 6 years ago

4125: Sorry, all the profiles I have had on this site have had jonas as their root. I think our citing, or my posted topic must have thrown OriginalCA for a loop, because I can't think of any other reason for him to agree with me.

jonas_opines 6 years ago

So perhaps I was taking your post as a representative sample of my own, as it seemed to be intended, with mine as the original source material.

Ken Miller 6 years ago

I always figured the act of abortion would be driven underground again at some point in the future, but I figured it would have been caused by actions of our federal government. Never ever thought the fringe elements of the pro-life movement would succeed - but apparently the "success" in Wichita has shut down one late-term clinic. How long before the next shooting?

Katara 6 years ago

Did_I_say_that (Anonymous) says…

ClaroAtaxia (Anonymous) says… “…I don't like abortion, and I don't think anybody really does…”

Why not? What don't you like about abortions? Why do you think others don't like abortion? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Most likely because it is a medical procedure. I don't think anyone enjoys open heart surgery either.

Katara 6 years ago

jjt (Anonymous) says…

Would somebody from the anti abortion view please explain why they feel that a woman whose baby has died in the womb say 2 months prior to birth should carry to full term? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That is an excellent question.

Perhaps they could explain it for us after they read actual stories from women who had to go though a late term abortions.

http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/t18main.html http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/maternalrenal.html http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansasdelays.html http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/digeorgesyndrome1.html http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/garrettanen.html

and others... http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/personal.html

notajayhawk 6 years ago

Music_Girl (Anonymous) says…

"Extremism is bad regardless of the issue. To generalize that all pro-lifers are terrorists is absurd. It would be equally as absurd to say that all pro-choicers are terrorists. It's simply not true. This man was a radical extremist, not the poster child for the pro-life movement. I have read many statements from several hardcore pro-life organizations condemning what Mr. Roeder did."

Amen.

I've been trying to stay out of these threads, I just feel there's nothing good that can come out of saying anything at all. The use of a man's murder, in church, in front of his family and friends, being used as an excuse for nutjobs on both sides to rant and rave and try to push their political views, really, really, really sickens me.

daddax98 6 years ago

"First, a dead baby (and thank you for admitting that it is a baby) will usually cause the mother to go into labor shortly after the baby’s death."

and if the mother does not go into labor? what then what if the baby has only a brain stem and will die immediately after birth? Half a heart? under developed skull? what if what if what if when is an abortion ok in your mind?


"I don't like abortion, and I don't think anybody really does…” I again ask, Why not? What don't you like about abortions?

By the way, I would imagine that most everyone “likes” open heart surgery - it is a life saving medical procedure; albeit true that they may not enjoy it.

I don't like root canals. they hurt, they are expensive, there is bleeding, it is invasive and it in the vast majority of cases they are done to improve quality of life not save a life. Now you can insert "Abortion" for root canal and you have your answer

Katara 6 years ago

Did_I_say_that (Anonymous) says…

Katara (Anonymous) says… “Most likely because it is a medical procedure. I don't think anyone enjoys open heart surgery either.”

ClaroAtaxia did not say that she did not “enjoy” abortions. Your answer is irrelevant to her statement, which was, “…I don't like abortion, and I don't think anybody really does…” I again ask, Why not? What don't you like about abortions?

By the way, I would imagine that most everyone “likes” open heart surgery - it is a life saving medical procedure; albeit true that they may not enjoy it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And an abortion can also be a life saving medical procedure, in particular late term abortions.

Katara 6 years ago

Did_I_say_that (Anonymous) says…

jjt (Anonymous) says… “Would somebody from the anti abortion view please explain why they feel that a woman whose baby has died in the womb say 2 months prior to birth should carry to full term?”

This premise is a straw man; few, if any “from the anti abortion view” would hold this view. First, a dead baby (and thank you for admitting that it is a baby) will usually cause the mother to go into labor shortly after the baby’s death. Second, there is no harm done to a dead baby by removing it. The argument may be made against a D&E abortion due to the dismemberment of the baby; but, that is due to the gruesome nature of it. I doubt that most people “from the anti abortion view” would view an IDX, in this instance, as unacceptable abortion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Actually, when the fetus dies in utero, a woman's body does not always go into labor. There are many times where the hormones are still strong enough to fool the body into thinking that it is still a viable pregnancy even though the fetus has died. And then you have the instances of "false" pregnancies where the woman's body does everything but there is no fetus. There is a placenta, an amniotic sac, etc. Those woman usually undergo an abortion.

Secondly, many anti-abortion groups want to outlaw ALL abortions which includes the same procedures used to remove a dead fetus. These are the same people who want abortion outlawed completely. No exceptions for the life or health of the mother. No exceptions for rape or incest. No exceptions, period.

Now if you want to argue that most pro-life people would not find it unreasonable to allow abortion for the above situations, I would agree with you.

Doug Fisher 6 years ago

This is just further proof Kansas just keeps getting backwards while the rest of the country is moving forward. It's no wonder whole towns are dying as the smart people leave for better locales.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

nomansland;

By "this," are you referring to the murder, the decision to close the clinic, or the comments posted on these message boards?

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

75x55 (Anonymous) says…

Are you also posting as TheOriginalCA, jonas? 75x55 (Anonymous) says… porchie, porchie, porchie.

You've become unhinged, I believe. I believe you may have been trying to communicate with TheOriginalCA, or some other spectral entity

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75x55 is a regular Internet Rambo I see

ClaroAtaxia 6 years ago

Lol, pro-lifers are hilarious. What I meant by "I don't like abortions" is that 1. they aren't exactly fun; 2. they are somewhat expensive; 3. I wouldn't personally want to have to have one; but if I did, I better be given the respect to decide for myself when autonomous life begins. If a bunch of bigots are going to try to make me feel bad, just because they think differently, then perhaps it's best they aren't given religious freedoms. Maybe the government should go ahead and decide which religion is 'right'? IMHO, early term abortions aren't anymore of a waste of life than masturbation. Should masturbating be illegal?

Learn to embrace and respect personal liberty, or lose your own. It's that simple. Welcome to America!

KLATTU 6 years ago

This situation doesn't change anyone's mind on abortion. It doesn't change the law on abortion. It does show everyone that terrorism can be an effective way of enforcing one's own beliefs, and it will inspire some people. Expect more of the same and worse from extremists of all political and religious persuasions.

wlwoofie2009 6 years ago

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Left_handed 6 years ago

Operation rescue has suggested they might buy the clinic. Let the pro-abortion "haters" start shouting....NOW.

sinverguenza 6 years ago

I'll be the first to shout, Left_handed.

OR is a disgusting organization, and the less space they have to spread their hate and misinformation, the better.

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

sinverguenza (Anonymous) says…

I'll be the first to shout, Left_handed.

OR is a disgusting organization, and the less space they have to spread their hate and misinformation, the better.

Please define the word Hate then tell me where you see pro-lifers hating in this regard...

sinverguenza 6 years ago

Did I mention "pro-lifers"? Nah, I didn't. Thanks.

TheOriginalCA 6 years ago

porch_person (Anonymous) says…

The OriginalCA,

I'd say shooting someone in the head while he's being an usher in his own church qualifies. That enough hate for you?

So, are you applying that to all prolifers or just the radical individual member of OR?

Deja Coffin 6 years ago

Dweezil says: We've declared that abortion is NOT murder, so calling it that is nothing more than empty rhetoric without the force of anything meaningful behind it. The law regards life as beginning at birth.


Then why is it that in some states if you murder a pregnant women past a certain point in their pregnancy it's considered double homicide. i.e. Scott Peterson was charged with two counts of premeditated murder of his wife and unborn child. Sounds like the first step in the pro/anti-abortion debate is a clear definition of a life.

dweezil222 6 years ago

Dejacrew, I agree with you that a clear-cut definition of where life begins is where the issue will ultimately be decided. But I don't think we're ever likely to get there. Some of the greatest minds ever to walk the earth have been debating just that issue for centuries without coming to any kind of uniform response. And I'm not encouraged by the fact that we can't even come to that kind of bright line in areas of the law with far less import than defining life. Take, for example, the vast disparity of treatment in determining whether or not one is an "adult" for purposes of how the law will treat them. Is it 16? 18? 21? Does it even matter because in many places even if you're under the "age of majority" the law can still arbitrarily decide you're an adult if you commit a crime? If we can't even come to a legal consensus on that more simple issue, I have little hope that we'll ever reach one on when life begins.

Katara 6 years ago

Did_I_say_that (Anonymous) says…

Katara (Anonymous) says… “… I would agree with you.”

Thank you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I hope you understand the distinction I am making between pro-lifers and anti-abortions groups.

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