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Wal-Mart trial delayed for five months

Mayor hopes to resume settlement talks between retailer, new commission

April 14, 2007

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Wal-Mart trial delayed until September

The case of the 6th and Wakarusa Wal-Mart will not go to trial Monday. Today, Judge Michael Malone set a new trial date for September 10th. Enlarge video

Settle in for a whole new round of Wal-Mart debate.

A trial involving whether the city illegally denied a building permit for a Wal-Mart at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive has been delayed until September to give the city and developers more time to explore a settlement of the lawsuit. The trial was scheduled to begin Monday.

"I would much prefer to have some conversation rather than litigation," Mayor Sue Hack said. "I don't see it as caving in or anything like that. I just see it as a chance to have some conversation."

Douglas County District Judge Michael Malone on Friday granted a request made by the city and the site's developers to delay the trial. It now is scheduled for Sept. 10.

Earlier this week, Hack sent a letter to attorneys for Wal-Mart and the property owners asking them to agree to the delay - to give new city commissioners an opportunity to consider the Wal-Mart issue.

Hack said the continuance would provide time to schedule a Wal-Mart discussion on the city's May 1 agenda.

Discussions

It would be the first opportunity for the City Commission to have a public discussion since Rob Chestnut and Mike Dever were elected April 3. Chestnut and Dever replaced Commissioners Mike Rundle and David Schauner, who made up two-thirds of a majority that opposed the most recent plan to build a Wal-Mart at the site.

Wal-Mart and the property owners ultimately agreed to the delay. Doug Compton and Bill Newsome, who own the development company that owns the proposed site, issued a joint statement saying they were interested to hear what the city had to say.

"While we were initially opposed to any delay in the trial, upon receiving the letter from the city, we decided in a show of good faith to concur with the city's request to delay the trial," they said in the statement. "We'll be at the May 1 City Commission meeting, and we're anxious to hear what the city has to say."

Attempts to reach a Wal-Mart spokeswoman were unsuccessful.

Hack said the May 1 agenda item would not include consideration of a specific development plan. Instead, it would be an opportunity for the city and the developer to openly discuss issues surrounding the project.

Hack also said that the commission will accept public comment from neighbors and others. She did ask that citizens consider mailing or e-mailing the comments to the city prior to the meeting.

Neighborhood leaders said they were glad they would have the opportunity to express their concerns about the project.

"I just hope commissioners will keep in mind that with the currently anticipated development in the area, we're going to have very heavy traffic loads," said Alan Cowles, president of the West Lawrence Neighborhood Association. "The risks to the children in the neighborhood are real."

Cowles, though, stopped short of criticizing the city for putting the trial on hold. He said he had to trust the city's judgment that delaying the trial was in the best interest of the city.

Not all city commissioners are convinced of that, however.

Commissioner Boog Highberger - who joined with Schauner and Rundle to vote against the last Wal-Mart plan in October - does not support the delay. He said previous efforts to settle the case have been unsuccessful, and that it should be settled "once and for all" in court.

The issues

At stake is how much development will be allowed at the corner. The city and Wal-Mart last year had reached a tentative agreement to allow a 99,990-square-foot store. But on a 3-2 vote, city commissioners ultimately rejected that plan after they did not like the specific design of the development. After that rejection, Wal-Mart restarted lawsuits that would allow the company to build a 132,000-square-foot store on the site. Lawrence's existing Wal-Mart store, 3300 Iowa, is 210,000 square feet. A 99,990-square-foot store would be just slightly larger than Wal-Mart's first Lawrence store - now the Sears store at 2727 Iowa Street.

Current zoning for the property - which was changed by the city in 2004 over the objections of the property owner - would allow for an 80,000-square-foot store and several smaller buildings.

City commissioners did not take a formal vote to send the letter seeking the delay in the trial. Instead, Hack sent the letter after commissioners had a closed-door executive session about Wal-Mart at their Tuesday evening meeting.

Comments

plumberscrack 7 years ago

Posted by blackwalnut (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

458casul stop yelling, if what you say has merit people will pay attention.

I for one skip over your posts - because you are childish and predictable, not to mention repetitive. Your tireless cheerleading and mudslinging, without logic or intelligent argument, give you away. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You mean like this one:

Posted by 458casul (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SMART GROWTH YIPPY KI YA OH SMART GROWTH WRAP YOUR HAIR AROUND YOUR NECK AND HANG YOUR DREADS

Or this one:

Posted by 458casul (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BLACK YOU RAD IT,,SMART GRWTH NO ANY THING

Or this one:

Posted by 458casul (anonymous) on April 15, 2007 at 5:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BLACKWALNUT BACK AWAY FROM YOUR BONG ding ding ding SMART GROTH little hitters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Without logic or intelligent argument, give you away."

Give that man a cigar! He hit the nail on the head.

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Bud Stagg 7 years ago

Locusts? These are the people who are going to grow lawrence and provide jobs and bring in business. Unlike the previous commission. This will in turn hopefully lower our taxes. A business pays a lot more taxes than a citizen. They collect and pay sales tax, property taxes, provide jobs for employees who then do the same.

In order for them to bring in those companies, somebody has to make money, otherwise why would they do it? It's AMERICA you idiots. The american way is to make a profit.

There is very little profit in Lawrence right now, Let's fix that. That is why Russia failed, there was no profit. You fools that can't figure out how to make a dime from Lawrence and therefor help it grow, should move.

It's how the Economy works. I make a buck and spend a buck, you make a buck and spend a buck. The government taxes that buck and they spend a buck.

IT'S AMERICA work with it! It's fun. It's how people get rich and become evil in the eyes of people from Lawrence. Well I want to be as evil as possible. Bbbbwwwwwwhhhaaaahhhaaahhhaaaa!

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roger_o_thornhill 7 years ago

458 is as reliable for good wit as the long gone "vito" used to be.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

BLACKWALNUT BACK AWAY FROM YOUR BONG ding ding ding SMART GROTH little hitters

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by blackwalnut (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 12:47 p.m.

"The locusts are here and their names are Dever, Chesnut, Fritzel... Bye Lawrence. It was sweet."

I second that.


I see Chicken Little and Turkey Lurkey are still carrying on.

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by merrill (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 11:33 a.m.

Snapper has always had a great machine for home owners. The Wal-Mart version would NOT be the same machine that Snapper has advertised for 40 years. Same with the Wal-Mart low end Levis.


I can't remember the last time I saw a Snapper anywhere. Nobody sells them anymore, with the possible exception of a Fleetwood's (read: grossly overpriced).

Looks like the company CEO is going to hold his line right into oblivion. He may get a nice margin, but how many people can he employ by selling a couple of hundred machines a year?

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Will be be allowed to put the heads of the offending barristers on pikes affixed to the Massachusetts Street bridge?

wait

The lawyers on only doing the jobs which they were hired to do, much like prostitutes.

How about reserving pike space for those whose mismangement made the lawyers necessary?

Hmmmmm..........................................................

Could be "HATE CRIMES" might be involved if we do that so we'd better not!

Thanks.

Marion.

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DonQuipunch 7 years ago

5 months should be plenty of time for the city to order body bags for its attorneys.

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doesnotplaywellwithothers 7 years ago

Bozo- #5

Here is the Washington Post's Mensa Invitational, which once again

asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition.

Seems like a better use of your time than playing Sukudo.

The 2006 Winners are: 1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying (or building) a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

  1. Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an a-----e.

  2. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize that it was your money to start with.

  3. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

  4. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

BLACK YOU RAD IT,,SMART GRWTH NO ANY THING

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

SMART GROWTH YIPPY KI YA OH SMART GROWTH WRAP YOUR HAIR AROUND YOUR NECK AND HANG YOUR DREADS

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macon47 7 years ago

Official notice to 458casul Your all caps posts annoy the fragile marginally employed hippies that lurk on this form. Most of them are just larry villains than Quit posting on their own site since no one reads their triffles. You have been warned. PS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK YOU ARE A KEWL DUDE

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Godot 7 years ago

Wilber_Nether wrote about Goverment Worker's and Teacher's Unions.

"Not true at all, though. These unions are entirely paper tigers."

Well, that explains Schauner's performance on the city commission.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

458casul stop yelling, if what you say has merit people will pay attention.

I for one skip over your posts - because you are childish and predictable, not to mention repetitive.

It is obvious you are one of the few who will make money off the new commission's rubberstamping. Your tireless cheerleading and mudslinging, without logic or intelligent argument, give you away.

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macon47 7 years ago

THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN LIBERTY MO. the city was heming and hawing about letting wallyworld build, so walmart went across the highway and kansas city missouri gets all the tax dollars Liberty is still close enough to hear that giant sucking sound of dollars leaving thier pockets, ha ha ha ha so much to be said for being politically correct

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Wilbur_Nether 7 years ago

Sigmund wrote "The only unions with any clout anymore are the Government Worker's and Teacher's unions".

Not true at all, though. These unions are entirely paper tigers.

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

HOP SKIPPY HOP ITS SMART GROWTH TO THE RESCUE

NO LET THEM SMOTHER IN ALL THERE SMART GROWTH

I LOVE THIS FORUM

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

I LOVE TO SEE THE LIBS WHINE AND CRY,THE SKY IS FALLING BIG BAD EVIL WALMART

I LOVE THIS FORUM

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

Put a big Walmart on the south side of K10 off Church st...and watch everyone on the East side of Lawrence,..leave town. Then Eudora will have lots of sales tax to squander and they can save their downtown and build a homeless shelter, and an ice rink and playing fields....and the new POO PONIE store will open there. Lawrence needs a POO PONIE store and a big one.

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TheStig 7 years ago

If Snapper chooses not to do business with Walmart I have no problem with that no matter the circumstances. Oh and by the way you may want to check what their reputation for quality products at http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm Snapper isn't even rated! Honda, Toro, John Deere, Lawn-Boy round out the Top Ten in their tests published June 2006. But that is neither here nor there, buy what you like. You might asked that illegal worker mowing your lawn what he prefers. Everyday low priced lawn care. Just be careful of the local union thugs who will call them scabs and bomb their homes and cars because they are taking American jobs, not! You all are first rate ideologues and hypocrites.

You cannot force Lawrencian's to shop where you want them to. Buy organic garlic from the Merc at inflated prices (what a joke) or expensive lawn mowers if they don't want or need them.

Jan 2006: Eighteen months after the Chicago City Council torpedoed a South Side Wal-Mart, 24,500 Chicagoans applied for 325 jobs at a Wal-Mart that opened in south suburban Evergreen Park, one block outside the city limits. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060126/ai_n16041867

Then realizing the idiocy of their ideology the Chicago City Council approved a Walmart in Chicago.

April 2007: Chicago's Wal-Mart store has produced $2 million in state and local taxes and 443 jobs for West Side residents since it opened in Austin six months ago, the world's largest retailer said Wednesday. http://www.suntimes.com/business/337911,CST-FIN-walmart12.article

Walmart should build in Eudora and send all those taxes and jobs there because you and the GLC/GRA grocers want to protect The Merc from competition? Just say so plainly and quit pretending this has ever been about anything else. You will look less the idiot.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

And so the plans are being made for the new shopping center................and maybe the Walmart Neighborhood grocery store east of town..Hard to stop that one..

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lunacydetector 7 years ago

i'm surprised that the letter sent didn't have ALL of the commissioners' signatures - since the "progressives" made all the commissioners sign their goofy letters they sent out in the past - like the 'don't build the coal plant 400 miles away' letter, etc.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

"Most CEOs want to get a bubble on the bottom line, then take the golden parachute and run. Snapper's CEO cares about the long-term health of the company."

The parallels to what has just happened in Lawrence are so obvious, I don't need to add a comment to explain them.

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coneflower 7 years ago

The CEO of Snapper lawnmowers refused to make a crap model for WM because his company had spent a lifetime earning a reputation for quality. The Snapper name means something.

Smart move. But rare. Most CEOs want to get a bubble on the bottom line, then take the golden parachute and run. Snapper's cares about the long-term health of the company.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

It's not okay for those associated with the Merc to run for office?

It is okay for the real estate/development industry to flood candidates with money and oddly enough Wal-Mart is suddenly pulled from the possiblilty of a trial? Based on legal advice from whom? Some of you enjoy the inflated tax increases of the last 20 years.

Nobody is forced to buy a John Deere or a Mac or a Snapper but they do for a reason. When paying 30%-50% more for a product elsewhere it is likely not the same low end Wal-Mart product. Apples and Organic Garlic I would say.

Are consumers really saving buying a lower quality products?

Aren't all unions concerned about any movement that lowers wages and takes jobs from members?

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macon47 7 years ago

WALMART IS FOR THE WORKING CLASS The mercs for the marginally employeed hippies

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KsTwister 7 years ago

OMG,I thought I was going to have to boycott Walgreen's ???!!! Whew, thanks.

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Bowhunter99 7 years ago

In Merrill's deranged mindset, it's PERFECTLY OK for John Deere to enforce price fixing and over charge customers.... but it's not ok for a company to try and seek a better price for their customers....

Wal-mart passes the savings to the consumers.... which is a lot more than what the Merc and Fleetwood do. But on Merrill's parallel universe, it's OK to pay 30-50% more for everything as long as Walmart is not involved.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

The unions for the most part were busted years ago and good riddance. The only unions with any clout anymore are the Government Worker's and Teacher's unions and they may be losing ground. But I didn't realize the local unions were concerned about illegal workers from Mexico taking American jobs at lower wages, please provide one of your patented cut-n-paste jobs to support it.

An while you are at it, why not disclose that the last loser in the last election might have had some financial conflicts of interest w/re to Walmart.... Steven Maynard-Moody, President, Board of Directors, The Merc. http://communitymercantile.com/board

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macon47 7 years ago

REDNECKS , NASCAR FANS, AND PO FOLK SHOP AT WALLYWORLD THIER AINT MANY OF THEM IN NW LAWRENCE THEMS ALL THE BIG BUCKS HI FALUTIN" FOLKS

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

"Sigmund (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal) "Name one product made in China sold at Walmart and not sold elsewhere. If you are worried about wages and workers in America as you are about China then you obviously are concerned about the "everyday low wages" being exported from Mexico into the US daily. Thirty (30) million at last count. Talk about growth not paying for itself."

Millions coming in and while jobs going abroad hmmmmm. Right again on all counts. China and Mexico paved the way for union busting. Trade Unions seem to be active in Lawrence.

For Wal-Mart to say that all be swell with an additional store is not quite truthful although what else would they say .... BUT for local politicans and/or developers to jump on that band wagon is yet another can of worms.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Everybody realizes every company makes a whole line of goods, some higher priced with more features some lower priced with less features. Typically the lower end models are sold at discount stores for less money. You did realize that right?

Where did you people grow up, the Soviet Union? "We make one lawn mower and only one lawn mower, get on a list and when your name comes up three years from now you'll get one! We make one type of bread and you can only buy one loaf. Stand in line all day to get yours!"

Sometimes I WANT the cheaper less well made item either because I don't need the high end model or because all I can afford is the cheaper one. It is something we like to call Capitalism. By offering the consumer choices those companies whose products and prices are preferred by consumers make a profit so they can keep meeting consumer needs. Those that don't go lose money and either make better products people are willing pay for or go out of business.

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i_tching 7 years ago

Wal-Mart has no future. Their business model is entirely based on cheap fuel and distant easily exploitable cheap labor.

When oil prices rise it will be far less profitiable for them to continue with their lowball prices for cheap Chinese-made junk and Lawrence will have a big, empty, and ugly box to deal with.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Name one product made in China sold at Walmart and not sold elsewhere. If you are worried about wages and workers in America as you are about China then you obviously are concerned about the "everyday low wages" being exported from Mexico into the US daily. Thirty (30) million at last count. Talk about growth not paying for itself.

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blackwalnut 7 years ago

"The locusts are here and their names are Dever, Chesnut, Fritzel... Bye Lawrence. It was sweet."

I second that.

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Eileen Emmi Jones 7 years ago

"Which is why Snapper deserves a big time hats off!"

That is a great story, everyone should Google it up.

Some people don't realize that cheaper items at Walmart are often just that more cheaply made versions.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

It is NOT the job of the city commission or the taxpayers to insure that the local real estate/development industry is successful at their land investment business.

However Sigmund on this we are in complete agreement: "not one company is forced to sell to Walmart and not one consumer is forced to shop at Walmart."

Which is why Snapper deserves a big time hats off!

Fleetwoods can bring in most any mower on the market to meet budgets if that is what's necessary.

Cottins has access to great lines of power tools at competitive pricing.

Keifs can do the same.

All stores are customer oriented.

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Eileen Emmi Jones 7 years ago

WM has had a positive impact on the economy - OF CHINA.

Human rights abuses there, too, courtesy of WM.

Old man Sam is rolling over in his grave at the damage his airs have done. Alice "Swift Boater" Walton may be the worst.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"You have not read any of the briefs and you think the City will "win" by reducing the size because "you think so"

No, because I have experience on the topic. (Something you might try.)

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Eileen Emmi Jones 7 years ago

Hack has revealed herself as a political hack for those who want to make money off Lawrence, no matter what is destroyed in the process.

The locusts are here and their names are Dever, Chesnut, Fritzel...

Bye Lawrence. It was sweet.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Tsk, tsk, Merrill. And of all those people not one found a better job and not one found insurance? Let's not mention the positive impact Walmart has had on the US economy, let just ignore the lower prices for goods (not to mention prescription drugs) freeing up extra income of hundreds of millions of US consumers so they can afford health care, or Snappers, or pickles by the gallon. No company Levis and especially not Las Merc, have a right to stay in business, not one company is forced to sell to Walmart and not one consumer is forced to shop at Walmart.

Don't be fatuous, Merrill.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Posted by Sigmund (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal) Its about consumer choices Merrill. You can't force us to shop at La Merc or Fleetwoods (although I do shop at Fleetwoods, good service nice people) no matter how hard you try if we don't want to. If I want a low end Snapper or Levi's or pickles who are you to tell me I can't buy them?

It's more about the negative impact Wal-Mart has on the american work force such as Levi's shutting down 7 USA factories. Levi's was once considered a great USA employer and now thousands are out of work with many out of a good medical program which only adds the cost of care to those with current medical coverage. Cost of social services probably increased somewhere. Low end less expensive imported products do not come for free but at a loss to the american economy.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

September is great. Just enough time to get a BIG shopping center STARTED elsewhere in town...good job SUE.

Be sure to include 50,000 sq feet for the POO PONIE store franchise.

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Sigmund 7 years ago

Its about consumer choices Merrill. You can't force us to shop at La Merc or Fleetwoods (although I do shop at Fleetwoods, good service nice people) no matter how hard you try if we don't want to. If I want a low end Snapper or Levi's or pickles who are you to tell me I can't buy them?

The only competition for grocery in the area is Dillons, HyVee, and El Merc. This case has always been about protecting Le Merc from competition. The bought and paid for Kommission of yesteryear is gone as will Das Merc, if they can't compete, once Walmart comes in and offers Lawrencian's a choice. You're Pro-Choice aren't you Merrill?

Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes, well, he eats you.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Snapper = high quality and can be found at Fleetwoods. Excellent quality seldom comes for less however lasts for decades with proper maintenance which translates in savings instead of replacements.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Posted by Bowhunter99 (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal) Snapper's lack of a solid distribution model has reduced its market share to next to nothing.... Wal-mart offered them a huge distribution model and exposure to MILLIONS of customers that would otherwise not consider them as an option but Snapper was too greedy to offer their products at a discount....

On the other hand, John Deer is selling mowers at HUGE markups and forcing Home Depot and JD dealers to not discount their products... and I'm sure that's perfectly OK on Merrill's deranged mindset....

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If company can bring in a good price for their products while at the same time keep american workers employed I say go for it. That is healthier for the USA economy and keeps demand down for Social Services.

Snapper has always had a great machine for home owners. The Wal-Mart version would NOT be the same machine that Snapper has advertised for 40 years. Same with the Wal-Mart low end Levis.

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

If it never goes to court for a decision what grounds would 6WAK have for suing? their loss would merely be speculation.

It's more about how many existing concerns are still in business because Wal-Mart is not there. Kohl's, Old Navy,Bed Bath and Beyond etc etc may shut their doors if fewer impulse buyers drive buy? Then Lawrence will be out more revenue dollars.

How much money do Wal-Mart shoppers truly save IF they buy more items than intended aka impluse buying? No doubt Wal-Mart has the impuse buying manipulation system down to an art.

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Bowhunter99 7 years ago

Snapper's lack of a solid distribution model has reduced its market share to next to nothing.... Wal-mart offered them a huge distribution model and exposure to MILLIONS of customers that would otherwise not consider them as an option but Snapper was too greedy to offer their products at a discount....

On the other hand, John Deer is selling mowers at HUGE markups and forcing Home Depot and JD dealers to not discount their products... and I'm sure that's perfectly OK on Merrill's deranged mindset....

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ASBESTOS 7 years ago

Geez< James. You have not read any of the briefs and you think the City will "win" by reducing the size because "you think so". That is the definition of "Delusional"

The Judge will throw this out in a heartbeat. The City already allowed Wal-Mart to go throuth, then the # member "Kommrad Kommissioners" changed the rules in a midnight meeting!

That is not legal and also indicates ex parte communications, highly illegal!!!

There neds to be come criminal sanctions on some of the parties that inhibited this process illegally and caused the City to be Sued by Wal-Mart bib box inc.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"Lawrence has no chance to win this lawsuit."

While I can't say I've bothered to read the filings on this case, I'd say that that the City has a reasonable chance of winning (and of losing).

The issue is whether the City can keep the size restricted -- 99,990? 80,000 s.f.? -- and whether the City has really any say over the design aspects - parking lot, building configuration, etc.

Given the City's poor (incompetent) zoning history here, there's a reasonable chance matters could go either way. But that includes a chance that the City could not only "win" but get all the way down to 80,000 s.f. And the design aspect go even further in the City's favor.

What's really going on is that, in classic negotiation strategy, W-M has decided that they aren't going to get their way - including the critical aspect of time (time is money) - by playing along with the last Commission, so they decided to go "all hard core" and demand 100% of what they want and sue to make it happen right now. The fact is they will settle for 50% especially if that includes the City facilitating a speedy construction and opening.

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smitty 7 years ago

Word is Walmart has already prepared the bronze plate honoring Hack and the new city commission.

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buffalo_star 7 years ago

predators have been around a few million years they win some and lose some, sometimes you eat the bear sometimes the bear eats you. i try to be the eater not the eatee ;-)

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Bud Stagg 7 years ago

Welcome to America! It's called business. To the Victor go the spoils. If you are going to play the game, play it well. It's not for amatuers. Wal-Mart is very good at the game.

I hope none of you whiners ever set foot in Walmart, Target, Kohls, Sears, Famous Footwear, Old Navy, etc. All those big chains use the same Tactics as Wal-mart. Wal-Mart is just much better and bigger and therefore they get the negative press.

Sears is no different. I am no different. I own a small company and as I have grown I have used my leverage to get better deals from suppliers, I have put competitors out of business, I have bought out competitors.

Grow up people, Quit whining, it's America, not Russia! If you don't like it, don't ever set foot in their stores, that is the only way you win, hit them in the wallet.

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Lifelong_Lawrencian 7 years ago

Posted by Bozo: The "discussion" will be about how to make it appear that letting Wal-Mart build a 132,000 sq. ft. store is a "compromise."

Bozo, you need to get over your hateful, belittling, fear mongering, Orwellian, negativity! Not everything is a conspiracy. Lawrence has no chance to win this lawsuit. The only thing they have going for them is that it is not in Walmart's best interest to take its customers to court. I would bet that if Lawrence will accept the latest 99,000 sf. plan, Walmart may just let them off the hook for their legal fees. The question is, what will 6-Wak want for the city delaying their deal for all these years?

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

Yes Wal-Mart should locate in the Gobi Desert as a real test of their business skills. Wal-Mart is not pioneer only a predator. More Wal-Marts=fewer choices!

Hats off to Snapper Mowers who pulled their product from Wal-Mart stores after the Wal-Mart went to pull the same move on Snapper as they did on pickles and Levis. After being among the successful Wal-Mart product line for awhile Wal-Mart offered Snapper THEIR price if they wanted to stay in the store. The CEO said NO. He decided it would not be in the best interest of Snapper and their USA employees. Wal-Mart suggested offering a less quality Wal-Mart model with the Snapper name all over it but the CEO maintained a no way jose for the same reasons.

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Lifelong_Lawrencian 7 years ago

Posted by merrill: "How can Wal-Mart succeed without drawing retail from existing operations surrounding the location?

Wal-Mart locates where retail has been established by other vendors who have put their capital on the line only to have it threatened. 6th and Wakrusa is of this nature."

You can say this about every new retail business put in anywhere. Do you expect Walmart to locate in the middle of the Gobi desert? The fact is that a new Walmart will attract many other retailers and restaurants who want to be located close to them.

Merrill: "Not a lot can be gained by removing some existing revenue generators in order to create space for one larger which is how the scenario will play out as this is a long time established pattern. It is these small business vendors that made the area attractive to new home buyers not Wal-Mart. Respect is due."

You must be referring to Dillons and Hyvee since there are no businesses nearby that sell anything besides groceries. These are hardly "small business venders". Those of us that live in west Lawrence must drive all the way to Target, Walmart, or downtown to buy anything you can't buy in a grocery or hardware store.

Walmart wouldn't have been my first choice, but there is no doubt that this part of town desperately needs some retail.

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News_to_me 7 years ago

Welcome to your Walmart Lawrence. Home of falling prices and falling property values everyday.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

It's not mind reading, Pilgrim. It's a prediction. Time will tell if I'm right.

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by merrill (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 7:17 a.m.

RULES:

NEIGHBORHOOD

Brookside - Kansas City, MO In November 2000, the Kansas City Council voted to approve two new ordinances that will protect the Brookside neighborhood from large-scale, suburban-style chain store development. The first creates the Brookside Business District as a special zoning district, with its own rules and requirements. The second restricts retail uses in the area to 10,000 square feet, except for grocery stores, which may be as large as 25,000 square feet; prohibits drive-through restaurants and other rules. http://www.newrules.org/retail/size.html...


That's fine, Richard, as long as you do it well before the fact, not in the middle of the process as the city tried to do here. It is the city's failure to follow its own zoning regs (already established by Judge Malone) that got it into court in the first place, and the reason the wise choice of action will be to settle this thing and get it over with without a huge, expensive judgment.

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Pilgrim 7 years ago

Posted by just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) on April 14, 2007 at 7:58 a.m.

Mayor Hack-- "I don't see it as caving in or anything like that. I just see it as a chance to have some conversation."

Pure BS. If she didn't intend to let Wal-Mart do whatever the hell they want, then she would have gone to trial and let the courts decide whether the city has any control over it.


So now among bozo's (severely limited) skills we can add mind reading. What a clown.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years ago

Mayor Hack-- "I don't see it as caving in or anything like that. I just see it as a chance to have some conversation."

Pure BS. If she didn't intend to let Wal-Mart do whatever the hell they want, then she would have gone to trial and let the courts decide whether the city has any control over it.

The "discussion" will be about how to make it appear that letting Wal-Mart build a 132,000 sq. ft. store is a "compromise."

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

How can Wal-Mart succeed without drawing retail from existing operations surrounding the location?

Wal-Mart locates where retail has been established by other vendors who have put their capital on the line only to have it threatened. 6th and Wakrusa is of this nature. Not a lot can be gained by removing some existing revenue generators in order to create space for one larger which is how the scenario will play out as this is a long time established pattern. It is these small business vendors that made the area attractive to new home buyers not Wal-Mart. Respect is due.

The "New Urbanism" project is also on the table. Where will the retail dollars come from considering Placemakers declared Lawrence 30% over built in retail? There have been no retail or economic impact studies challenging this figure only speculation by some that Lawrence cannot possibly be overbuilt in retail. Not a good way to do business.

Mayor Hack will be referencing Placemakers for the aspects of the study that she accepts...."Traditional Neighborhood Design" a very cool concept. However more residential will continue to increase our Cost of Community Services thus higher taxes.

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plumberscrack 7 years ago

Hack: Just let this go to court and get it over with!

You are costing the taxpayers $$.

Let it go to court and be done with the damn thing!

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Richard Heckler 7 years ago

The existing store is 207,000 sq. ft.

RULES:

NEIGHBORHOOD

Brookside - Kansas City, MO In November 2000, the Kansas City Council voted to approve two new ordinances that will protect the Brookside neighborhood from large-scale, suburban-style chain store development. The first creates the Brookside Business District as a special zoning district, with its own rules and requirements. The second restricts retail uses in the area to 10,000 square feet, except for grocery stores, which may be as large as 25,000 square feet; prohibits drive-through restaurants and other rules. http://www.newrules.org/retail/size.html ================================== http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/nov... ================================== Council decides to limit store size By ANN S. KIM - Portland Press Herald August 16, 2005 WESTBROOK - The neighbors were relieved, the property owner was disappointed and Wal-Mart was noncommittal about its plans after the City Council approved rules Monday that would cap a proposed store at 160,000 square feet. The size limit is part of a package of rules that will govern the proposed Wal-Mart Supercenter site - the former Saunders Brothers mill between Larrabee Road and Forest Street - and other big-box retail development in Westbrook's Gateway Commercial District. The rules, which govern issues such as buffers, operating hours, noise limits and the building's appearance, apply to development on a parcel in the district that is larger than 10 acres and within 500 feet of a residential area. Opponents of the project say the traffic, noise and pollution generated by the store would be directly linked to its size. Supporters, meanwhile, say strict size limits could hamper economic development.

Councilor Gary Groves said he never viewed the development of the rules as a negotiation between the city and Wal-Mart.

"We'll welcome anybody who wants to come in," he said. "However, you're going to have to live with the standards we've presented."

The proposed Supercenter has generated opposition from residents in the adjacent neighborhood, who formed a group called Westbrook Our Home. They were relieved that councilors did not opt for the 180,000-square-foot limit but still worried about development of the area.

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LogicMan 7 years ago

Looking at a recent site plan, it's obvious that Wal-Mart wants to eventually build a full size store (about twice as big). But the high traffic, and excess grocery stores near that corner of town would result.

Here's a compromise that kills two birds with one stone:

Build a small Wal-Mart on half the site, and a connected Sam's Club on the other half.

The Sam's Club part does would have a bulk-goods type grocery, but should have noticeably less traffic than a Wal-Mart grocery. People like me do big, infrequent shops at Sam's Club, so we only go there ~once a month, rather than every few days or so.

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