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City, Wal-Mart make no move to settle

Lawsuit heads for trial April 16

April 7, 2007

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Lawsuit between Wal-Mart and the city of Lawrence is still a go

Attorney's for the two sides met in court Friday to discuss the upcoming trial over Wal-Mart's plans to build a store at 6th and Wakarusa. Enlarge video

Oh yeah, it's still on.

There were no indications Friday that city and Wal-Mart leaders are looking to settle the lawsuit over a proposed Wal-Mart at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive. Attorneys for both sides met Friday in court and exchanged a few sharp words as they prepared to go to trial April 16.

There's been some question whether the two sides would try to settle the case, now that the makeup of the Lawrence City Commission is set to change considerably since it last denied a plan for the Wal-Mart store in October.

On Tuesday, Commissioner David Schauner failed to win re-election, and Commissioner Mike Rundle chose not to seek re-election. That leaves Commissioner Boog Highberger as the only member of the five-member commission that voted against the Wal-Mart plan.

Bill Newsome, a member of the development company that owns the property at the northwest corner of the intersection, has said his group has no plans to settle the lawsuit. Wal-Mart officials, however, have made no comment - including after Friday's hearing - on whether they have an interest in opening talks with the city.

Wal-Mart is seeking a ruling from the court that would allow it to build a 132,100-square-foot store on the site.

Attorneys spent much of Friday morning answering questions and making motions to Douglas County District Court Judge Michael Malone.

Wal-Mart attorneys made the most significant motion by asking Malone to broaden what they are allowed to argue in the case, which centers on whether the city illegally denied a building permit for a Wal-Mart store. That request brought a strong objection from Scott Beeler, an Overland Park attorney representing the city.

"I'm ambushed and surprised by these arguments today," Beeler told Malone after Wal-Mart attorneys made their case. "I think it is inappropriate."

The gist of Wal-Mart's argument Friday was that the court should use a more stringent standard of review in determining whether the city's Board of Zoning Appeals acted appropriately in upholding a decision to deny the issuance of a building permit.

Malone previously ruled that it only had to be shown that the Board of Zoning Appeals acted "reasonably" in denying the building permit. But Friday, Wal-Mart attorneys said they had found a 2005 Kansas Appellate Court decision that would indicate Malone should require that it be shown the Board of Zoning Appeals had examined and correctly applied the facts of the case to a specific set of ordinances and laws.

Beeler said he had a hard time believing that Wal-Mart attorneys had just now discovered the 2005 court decision. He said if Malone allowed the scope of the trial to be broadened, it "will completely change the trial approach" the city must take.

Malone said he would rule on the issue by the middle of next week.

The city also was unsuccessful in blocking an attempt by Wal-Mart to call Newsome as a witness in the trial. Beeler argued that Newsome's name wasn't on a list of witnesses delivered to the court earlier this year and should not be allowed to be added now.

But Timothy Sear, an attorney for Wal-Mart, said it had been clear that Newsome would be a witness in the case because he is a party to the lawsuit.

Sear also confirmed to Malone that he still plans to call former City Manager Mike Wildgen and former Lawrence-Douglas County Planning Director Linda Finger to testify in the case.

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Godot 7 years, 8 months ago

I cannot wait to read the testimonies of Wildgen and Finger.

Will Rundle, Schauner & Highberger be called to testify?

history 7 years, 8 months ago

Merrill, dont you ever get tired of yor nonsense. Is that what you do all day, worry about yourself. LET IT GO

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

That does not mean that once the two new commissioners that accepted campaign donations from the plaintiff, as have Commissioners Amyx and Hack, will not pull the lawsuit once all four are officially in office. This news article is somewhat misleading. We already are aware that existing commissioners Rundle,Schauner and Highberger had no intentions of pulling out which is best for the city and some existing retailers at that intersection. Not ot mention the neighborhoods in the area that challenged this bad planning decision initially.

Too bad the retailers who signed on to make the retailing a success at 6th and Wakarusa aren't shown some deserving respect from many citizens,Compton and Newsome as well as certain members of the city commission to include those former commissioners who approved the oversized request in the first place. Another bad planning decision from those influenced by the development industry.

It is not like the property at that intersection would not ever make a profit for the owners. It has become an issue of influence and ego.

Not only would a westside Wal-Mart pull business away from the largest Wal-Mart in Kansas at 33rd & Iowa but also from every business in that area because the impulse buyers will not visit that intersection near as often. Yep bad planning.

Sigmund 7 years, 8 months ago

They certainly can be called and I would guess they will be called.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

Free Markets are a joke. The truth is: MEGA CORPORATIONS USE THE GOVERNMENT TO DESTROY THEIR COMPETITION - OTHERWISE THAT FREE MARKET COMPETITION WOULD KEEP PRICES LOW AND QUALITY HIGHER. This story is the PERFECT example:

Dairy Industry Crushed Innovator Who Bested Price-Control System

In the summer of 2003, shoppers in Southern California began getting a break on the price of milk.

A maverick dairyman named Hein Hettinga started bottling his own milk and selling it for as much as 20 cents a gallon less than the competition, exercising his right to work outside the rigid system that has controlled U.S. milk production for almost 70 years. Soon the effects were rippling through the state, helping to hold down retail prices at supermarkets and warehouse stores.

That was when a coalition of giant milk companies and dairies, along with their congressional allies, decided to crush Hettinga's initiative. For three years, the milk lobby spent millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign contributions and made deals with lawmakers, including incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).

Last March, Congress passed a law reshaping the Western milk market and essentially ending Hettinga's experiment -- all without a single congressional hearing.

"They wanted to make sure there would be no more Heins," said Mary Keough Ledman, a dairy economist who observed the battle.

Rest of article at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/09/AR2006120900925.html?nav=rss_email/components

monkeyhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

"That does not mean that once the two new commissioners that accepted campaign donations from the plaintiff, as have Commissioners Amyx and Hack..."

You should be careful about some of the things you write, you could be held accountable.

"Not only would a westside Wal-Mart pull business away from the largest Wal-Mart in Kansas at 33rd & Iowa but also from every business in that area because the impulse buyers will not visit that intersection near as often."

Since you apparently never go to WalMart, except maybe to take your date for a spin on the M-T for the free recycling, your concern for their profits is laughable. So are you.

nbnozzy 7 years, 8 months ago

Go, go Wal-Mart. I live VERY near the proposed location and gladly welcome it into my neighborhood. Nice to see they aren't talking settlement at this time. I hope it goes to court and I really hope they slam the city to the wall. Its not just the old city commision stooges who are the problem, its the main city figure head who is against Wally World in my part of town.... you call him your city manager.

Spill the dirt Mike and Linda, you'll be having your day in court soon.

There's filth in our city government that even "Shout" and "Biz" can't get out..... yet.

armyguy 7 years, 8 months ago

Generally I scroll past anything posted by merrill, and read comments about the made up facts the author espouses. merrill have you ever been outside of Lawrence? Perhaps Topeka or Kansas City?

Two of the three largest Wall-marts in the US are in those towns. That is according to Mr. Walton himself, (in his book) who said it was a mistake to build them that large, as they did not generate the sales per square foot they should have. Of course you should nothing like facts or just a drive to look at one get in your way.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

Is there anyone who doesn't look for the nearest exit when they see you coming, David?

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

Let the trial proceed.

A Wal-Mart at 6th and Wakarusa would be the beginning of west Lawrence become exactly like South Iowa.

And the rest of Lawrence would starve.

Wal-Mart doesn't compete in the free market. Wal-Mart uses predatory pricing, monopolistic activities that violate anti-trust laws, violations of labor laws, and exploitation of abusive labor in foreign countries. Wal-Mart needs to be reigned in and made to play by the rules other businesses follow - nod coddled and given a green light to ruin Lawrence.

Everyone knows the traffic at 6th and Wakarusa cannot handle the development planned for the cornfield AND a big box store on the remaining vacant corner. And the traffic study was ridiculous: taken in the summer when Free State High was not in session!!!

JohnBrown 7 years, 8 months ago

PILGRIM, you know so much that isn't true!

You wrote: "It wasn't oversized until the kommission tried to change the rules in the middle of the game, Richard, and you know it. That's what this lawsuit is all about. It's not about Wal-Mart forcing a second store on the city. It's about forcing the city to follow its own regulations. Regulations that were abided by Wal-Mart until the Three Stooges tried to change them."

PILGRIM AND OTHERS, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. The Walmart proposal was denied by the city commission on March 26th, 2003, a WEEK BEFORE THE PLC CANDIDATES WERE ELECTED.

The commissioners who voted to deny Walmart were: Mike Rundle, Sue Hack, David Dunfield, and Jim Henry. Only Marty Kennedy voted to support Walmart.

Take home lessons: 1) The PLC candidates inherited this lawsuit, they did not create it. 2) Pilgrim gets it wrong again.

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

Other communities have succeeded in preventing Wal-Mart from destroying them.

If Lawrence caves, I'll be extremely disappointed.

KsTwister 7 years, 8 months ago

It really angers me that the lawyers on the city commission could not anticipate that the Horizon 2020 plans on 6th & Wakarusa could be used against them in court. So that Wal-Mart wants to expand their suit now is not a surprise, because of that argument no other (schools or location) will matter. How dumb can they be? Read it (I've posted the link in previous posts), bias doesn't stand in court. A business could build a 450,00sf store on that corner according to the Horizon report.

"The City Commission rejected an attempt to send the plan back to the planning commission (favored by Amyx and Hack) and rejected Wal-Mart's plan." (Oct 25,06) The cities that have won against Wal-Mart haven't shot themselves in the foot beforehand. And you know who is at fault at city hall now.

It will not surprise me that Lawrence will probably not only pay restitution to build it but the legal fees will be tacked on to our taxes for years to come.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

"A business could build a 450,00sf (450,000 sq. ft.?) store on that corner according to the Horizon report."

Can you quote the part of the report that would allow this?

cowboy 7 years, 8 months ago

The common thought is that the city will lose , be drug thru the mud with testimony that will expose the illegal / amateurish attempts to keep walmart out , Walmart has come this far and now would not want to be held to the whims of the city again , they will get their day in court and have a court order that the city will not be able to manipulate or retract . This will cost the city a boatload of money and they will probably get the walmart fees or a portion of them tacked on in judgment. Great job city legal departments and commission ! Oh and by the way it was the current city commissioners , rundle , highberger , and Schnauer who rejected an approved plan and forced this into court again , revisionist history is weak !

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

It's truly annoying when posters destroy the usefulness of this forum with silly slurs and insults.

On the other hand, hearing all viewpoints, - presented rationally - is interesting and valuable.

coneflower 7 years, 8 months ago

The same developers who made bundles overbuilding west of Wakarusa are now perfectly willing to destroy it by putting too much retail at 6th & Wakarusa.

I, and everyone I know, will continue to fight this and work to preserve that part of town. We'll keep the heat on and, if a big store goes there, boycott and picket the heck out of it. We may not prevail, but we won't give up. We'll be like gnats that annoy way out of proportion to our size. There are lots of us.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

A former employee told me this was now the largest in Kansas which is newer than anything in Topeka. I assume an employee is as good a source as any for Wal-Mart facts. As of today according to Wal-Mart management the 33rd&Iowa store is a 207,000 sq ft Super Center.

Real Estate As of March 2007, Wal-Mart's presence in Kansas includes: Supercenters: 43 Discount Stores: 12 Neighborhood Markets: 3 Sam's Clubs: 6 Distribution Centers: 1 Average store size (national average) Supercenter: 185,000 sq. ft. with approx. 142,000 items Discount Store: 101,000 sq. ft. with approx. 120,000 items Neighborhood Market: 41,000 sq. ft. with approx. 29,000 items Sam's Club: 130,000 sq. ft. with approx. 5,500 items

================================== Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class Thom Hartmann

Here are a couple of headlines for those who haven't had the time to study both economics and history:

  1. There is no such thing as a "free market."

  2. The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans are discovering).

The conservative belief in "free markets" is a bit like the Catholic Church's insistence that the Earth was at the center of the Solar System in the Twelfth Century. It's widely believed by those in power, those who challenge it are branded heretics and ridiculed, and it is wrong.

In actual fact, there is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.

Residents debate effects of Wal-Mart SuperCenter By Joel Mathis (Contact) Monday, August 26, 2002

Downtown probably wouldn't notice any competition from the opening of a Wal-Mart SuperCenter at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive, experts say.

But there's considerable debate about how the proposed store would affect commercial developments in the rest of Lawrence. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/aug... ===============================

KsTwister 7 years, 8 months ago

Merrill, do you think you are problem solving??? Try harder.

deec 7 years, 8 months ago

The current commercial land use element in Horizon 2020 identifies the West 6 th Street/Wakarusa Drive intersection as appropriate for a Community Commercial Center since such centers should be located at arterial street intersections. These centers typically require ten to thirty acre sites to accommodate buildings, parking areas, and open spaces. They generally contain leasable space of 150,000 gross square feet (gsf) but may range from 100,000gsf to 450,000gsf, and can include a food/drug store along with a mix of retail and other uses and usually anchored with a small retail sales store type tenant. There is approximately 380,000gsf of retail space currently approved at the intersection of West 6 th Street and Wakarusa Drive. This includes existing and proposed developments. This is 130,000gsf more than the "typical" amount of retail square footage and 70,000gsf below the "typical" amount recommended by Horizon 2020 for a Community Commercial Center. Areas that are designated Community Commercial Centers do not necessarily infer a large-scale commercial development. "

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

Actually, KsTwister, it says the exact opposite of your interpretation--

"They generally contain leasable space of 150,000 gross square feet (gsf) but may range from 100,000gsf to 450,000gsf, and can include a food/drug store along with a mix of retail and other uses and usually anchored with a small retail sales store type tenant. "

So the 450,000 sq. ft figure you pulled out is the GROSS sq. ft. That's means the total retail sq. footage of all stores at that intersection, not the maximize size for any single store. And it finishes with "usually anchored with a small retail sales store type tenant," which clearly excludes Wal-Mart, even at the 99,000 sq. ft. that was part of the attempted compromise.

coneflower 7 years, 8 months ago

Pure capitalism, unchecked, always evolves into feudalism.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

"But there's considerable debate about how the proposed store would affect commercial developments in the rest of Lawrence.

A new Wal-Mart SuperCenter at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive may not steal downtown Lawrence shoppers, like those above, but it may affect commercial developments in other parts of the city. Opponents of the Wal-Mart say the city already has more retail space than it can fill. Developers say their studies show a need for more shopping options in the northwest part of town.

"We've done our homework," said Bill Newsome of Southwind Capital, the Lawrence developer trying to bring the Supercenter to town.

"As part of our submittal, we did a market study," he said. "It shows this can be supported. Wal-Mart has done their homework. They wouldn't be here if they didn't think it could be supported. And they've done this before; they know how to do this."

All of those previous studies were done before the Iowa Wal - Mart became 207,000 sq ft.

Sigmund 7 years, 8 months ago

Walmart is coming and Lawrence will survive. Put another way, if the Lawrence economy is so fragile that a single new Walmart would destroy it, it is doomed anyway.

coneflower 7 years, 8 months ago

Newsome fails to mention the Wal-Mart would cannibalize off existing businesses - and pay employees less.

Sigmund 7 years, 8 months ago

All businesses "cannibalize" (read compete) with other businesses. The best survive and the weak go elsewhere. It is a little thing we call Capitalism.

Walmart is coming and Lawrence will survive. Put another way, if the Lawrence economy is so fragile that a single new Walmart would destroy it, it is doomed anyway.

KsTwister 7 years, 8 months ago

Yes, but remember that Wal-Mart was given the ok to build the originally planned 154,000 square feet? That is above the 100,000gsf minimum but below the 450,000 max. Do you know that some Superstores like Topeka include beauty salons and etc? This could fit that criteria.

armyguy 7 years, 8 months ago

merrill, Do some fact checking, "Supercenters typically range from 180,000 to 250,000 square feet, or between 4.1 to 5.7 acres" http://www.newrules.org/retail/howbigisbig.html

"Wal-Mart announced it was converting Kansas City's Hypermart USA near Bannister Mall into a Wal-Mart Supercenter. At the time, Wal-Mart said it would cost almost $5 million to renovate the 270,000 sq. ft. store." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermar...

BTW, I worked at Wal-Mart in Shawnee KS years ago it was apprrox 244,000 sq ft

armyguy 7 years, 8 months ago

although I guess facts just get in the way

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

You obviously still don't understand what gross sq. ft, means, KsTwister.

It refers to total sq. ft. for ALL retail, not just Wal-Mart. Even a 99,000 sq. ft Wal-Mart would mean the gross sq. ft. of retail for that area would exceed the 450,000 sq. ft. maximum that the plan allows.

KsTwister 7 years, 8 months ago

So am I wrong to interpret that Walmart could construct a building and fill it partially with their store and lease areas with other businesses?

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

All of my data came from Wal-Mart facts and a local management team member. No matter Iowa Wal-Mart is larger than the average Super Center according to the Wal-Mart site. I would think adding another 22,000 sq ft of commercial space that was not previously accounted for might make a difference on the overall commercial landscape picture.

We'll see how things come down on April 16th in court. Unless of course the lawsuit is pulled.

Jamesaust 7 years, 8 months ago

Sorry but the City should pursue its litigation. The W-M lawsuit is pure vindictiveness. The City has agreed to allow them to build on the site despite plenty of reservations about the matter. The only issues in contention are the gross size and small elements like how the building is laid out and how the parking is done. Too bad J. Malone can't lock the two sides in a room and refuse food and water until they resolve their differences (I'd estimate less than 24 hours). W-M has a major reputation of steamrolling anyone who says 'no' to them regardless of what the law says.

I, for one, do not shop at W-M but only for financial reasons - I'm working on recovering the legal costs they've already cost me as a taxpayer. As things now stand, I won't shop there until 2009 but if W-M wants to continue to push it, I'm happy to take my business elsewhere for an additional decade. (Sue your customers! What a moronic businessplan.)

(None of these comments are meant to excuse the amateurish and incompetent system of development approval in Lawrence that has helped lead to this point. The City couldn't have come off worse if Bozo had been on the committee.)

coneflower 7 years, 8 months ago

Wal-Mart does not compete fairly and it does not always follow the law. If you don't know that, you're uninformed, and there are books and films that will enlighten you.

Let Wal-Mart play by the rules and follow the law. The city of Lawrence must demand this and enforce the laws.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

It sounds to me that the area is already nearly maxed out in development. I would expect that there is going to be at least a 100,000 sq. ft. Wal-Mart there regardless of how the court rules. That's clearly the intent of Dever and Chestnut, and likely Amyx and Hack. They'll probably also approve other retail, too, making the 450,000 sq. ft maximum totally meaningless, but back to the bidness as usual of unplanned growth.

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

All along 6th street is retail. Retail is already existing or planned for the other 3 corners at 6th and Wakarusa. The traffic will destroy that corner.

A lot of traffic at that corner comes from Free State High. Any traffic study has to include the three times of day when the high school traffic is added to the rest.

Who is going to pay to widen those roads again? It seems the roads at that corner were just recently closed for months and months.

BenSmith 7 years, 8 months ago

I was curious if anyone had seen what Wal-Mart are proposing in the City of Shawnee and how that compares to Lawrence.

Shawnee has a population of around 53,000. There is currently a Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market in the east of the City plus a Wal-Mart Supercenter right in the center of the City.

There is also a Wal-Mart Supercenter on the outskirts of Bonner Springs, about 5 miles from western Shawnee.

Despite that Wal-Mart are now proposing another Supercenter in West Shawnee itself. This would result in three Supercenters each within 5 miles of the other, in an area much smaller than Lawrence. Not forgetting of course the Neighborhood Market in the east of the City, and the Sam's Club just outside city limits on I-35.

Interesting to see community reaction and Wal-Mart response...

http://www.shawneedispatch.com/section/news/story/6232

HMcMellon 7 years, 8 months ago

Anyone who supports Wal-Mart is anti-American traitor.

Thanks to Wal-Mart and other anti-American companies, trillions of dollars in equity has been transferred from America's middle class to China's wealthy robber barons.

This might be justified if it were a free market situation, but it isn't. The Bush Administration has refused to force China to fairly value its currency. This has given them a horribly unfair price advantage that is destroying American businesses, putting Americans out of work and is siphoning off America's wealth to the criminal empire that now runs China with an iron hand.

Further, China has played into the hands of the Bush Administration, who started an unnecessary and illegal war and continues it in order to pour money into the military-industrial complex. Again, this might be acceptable if we had the money in the treasury to start such a war. Instead, Bush is borrowing back some of the money taken by the Chinese robber barons through their unfair trade practices.

We are in a situation where China is using unfair trade practices to essentially steal America's wealth and then is loaning it back to us so that Bush can pour money into monopolies that could not exist without government pork.

We will be paying interest to China forever on the trillions Bush borrowed from them to dole out to the big defense monopolies, drug companies and other members of criminal empire that he represents.

The criminals that control China are in bed with the criminals that control the US, and Wal-Mart is an engine that is creating a big part of this rip off.

I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart since they started suing the City. I was one of the hundreds of people who developed the long range plan for our City. Wal-Mart, like its Chinese sponsors, hates democracy. Wal-Mart has done everything it can to subvert our democratically-produced planning documents and continues to do everything it can to destroy the democratic process in Lawrence. The last election is a clear example of how they use their ill-gotten money to control democratic process in cities like ours.

Again, anyone who shops at Wal-Mart is an anti-American traitor as far as I am concerned.

warthog 7 years, 8 months ago

I get all my information from current walmart employees, so I know it's current. In fact, Elaine (not her real name to protect her identity) the Wednesday morning greeter at the store, told me that they had a special on support hose. Then she whispered, so that others couldn't hear it, "They have an easter special on eggs, too." Of course, I know that it's code for, "They're building a new walmart and it's gonna be a good'n!"

Oh... I'm a traitor and a peasant I guess, too. I shop at walmart... Where do these people come from? I hope he's got aluminum foil in his hat to keep the aliens from probing what's left of his mind.

Get a life, folks. Walmart is not the end of the world.

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

No moral person could shop at Wal-Mart.

Willful ignorance of how they destroy communities and hurt people is not an excuse. Inform yourselves - the information is right under your noses.

EXks 7 years, 8 months ago

Help SUPPORT the Chinese COMMUNIST economy, shop at Wal-Mart!

Ask yourselves, would Jesus shop at Wal-Mart???

For what it's worth, a great article on Wal-Mart

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/#rest

HMcMellon 7 years, 8 months ago

Warthog,

For the record, the facts I stated are well-established. Since Bush took the White House, he has chaulked up more than a trillion dollars in trade deficit with China and has borrowed back nearly a trillion dollars from China to bankroll his budget deficit.

Only a brainless robot could dismiss such well-documented facts by using worn-out, mindless crap about the other person being the one wearing a tin foil hat.

DaREEKKU 7 years, 8 months ago

Okay, I don't like the idea of another Wal-Mart anymore than 75% of the rest of the town. What happened to the mixed development that was going to be put in there? The upscale shopping and lofts? What upscale store is going to lease a shop next to a discount retailer? None.

It's pretty sad that people are pointing fingers at the old commissioners, stating that they "don't know what's best" for the city and that they have "wasted all of this money" when the Wal Mart should have been built. Well, what about Wal Mart? Who filed the suit? Wal Mart refuses to back down, and obviously does not have Lawrence's interest at heart. Start putting the blame where it belongs, on Wal Mart.

unklemonkey 7 years, 8 months ago

We already have one too many Wal Marts!

warthog 7 years, 8 months ago

Oh gosh... that hurts, McMoron...

Would Jesus shop at Walmart? WTH?

Only if they had a sale on sandals.

citymanager 7 years, 8 months ago

Blackwalnut say's "Dillon's is expanding on W 6th".

Blackwalnut what is your source of the Dillon's expansion and is it legit..

Are you going to attack Dillon's as you do Wal-mart?

Michael Capra 7 years, 8 months ago

expose SCHAUNER,RUNDLE ,BOOGY for the liars they are and you will see walmart win big and boog will have to step down and Bush will step up

Michael Capra 7 years, 8 months ago

BLACKHAWK BACK AWAY FROM TH PIPE IT MESSED UP IN THE REAL WORLD

whatintheworld 7 years, 8 months ago

I find it crazy that any of you can bring religion into this--"WWJD" I can tell by the way some of you talk that you are really down with the big guy himself. It is not Christian to judge people and most people that shop at Wal-Mart are just consumers wanting to make their dollar go farther. My daughter is allergic to regular milk and has to drink soy. Wal-Mart is cheaper almost by a dollar. It is really really wrong to say that someone is lacking in morals for shopping at Wal-Mart. I guess in short, unless you are Jesus yourself, then I highly doubt you are MORAL all of the time.

Sigmund 7 years, 8 months ago

"My daughter is allergic to regular milk and has to drink soy. Wal-Mart is cheaper almost by a dollar. It is really really wrong to say that someone is lacking in morals for shopping at Wal-Mart."

Exactly correct, unless you are so blinded by your hatred and fear that you lack all perspective and loose touch with reality, then it becomes a holy cause to condemn others you know nothing about.

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

That dollar you think you saved at WM costs others plenty. Not wanting to pay a fair price for another's labor is simply greed. Greed is not a moral value. Callousness to others' suffering is not a moral value.

citymanager 7 years, 8 months ago

Blackwalnut say's "Dillon's is expanding on W 6th".

Blackwalnut what is your source of the Dillon's expansion and is it legit..

Are you going to attack Dillon's as you do Wal-mart?

blackwalnut 7 years, 8 months ago

Dillon's expansion news is per an employee.

Sigmund 7 years, 8 months ago

As no one is forced to work for Walmart what they for their labor is fair. What is unfair is to force people to pay an extra dollar to the greedy owners of The Merc for soy milk.

whatintheworld 7 years, 8 months ago

Unfortunately neither I nor you can change the world and make it perfect. Sometimes there truely are different sides to a story that equally make sense to both sides. Respectively both sides should be able to voice their opinion without suffering attacks and judgements. Saddly enough lots of times those that say that they are fighting for a cause really just enjoy the fight.

citymanager 7 years, 8 months ago

Blackwalnut: thanks for answering to the source question; hopefully it isn't one of the high school checkers.

Are you going to verbally pound them like you do Wal-mart for expanding?

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