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Wal-Mart question up for city approval

October 23, 2006

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Always low prices.

Always high drama.

Yes, Wal-Mart is back at City Hall. The giant retailer's request to build a new store at the northwest corner of Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive is up for approval at Tuesday night's City Commission meeting.

It arrives with quite a history. First, there were months of litigation; Wal-Mart and developers contended that the city illegally denied the project a building permit. The two sides eventually agreed to put those two lawsuits on hold while the city considered a new Wal-Mart request, which was significantly smaller than its original plans.

Then there was a marathon Planning Commission meeting in August where planning commissioners debated the project for more than five hours and ended in a 5-5 deadlock on whether to recommend the project.

Now it is the City Commission's turn, and Mayor Mike Amyx said he hopes to have a discussion that keeps politics out of the equation and doesn't focus on the good or ill of the Wal-Mart chain.

"This is a planning issue, and that is what it needs to remain," Amyx said of the proposal that would allow a 99,985-square-foot store. "This is about the arrangement of buildings and those sort of items."

But even that likely will spark disagreement. Some city commissioners said they have concerns about whether Wal-Mart is following through on promises made in the legal agreement that stated Wal-Mart would use the city's design guidelines to shape the project, and that the store would be built to the highest aesthetics and quality standards of any Wal-Mart store in the country.

"I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but it is difficult," said City Commissioner Boog Highberger.

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Angie Stoner, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman, said the retailer has complied with the requirements.

"We have worked very closely with city staff on this," Stoner said. "We have done traffic studies, we have very different elevations for the outside appearance of this building, and we have worked hard to preserve the land and provide additional landscaping to truly make this as nice as it can be."

Here's a quick look at several of the major issues surrounding the project that likely will be discussed at Tuesday's meeting:

l Design and aesthetics. The city's new commercial design guidelines generally encourage major retail developments to place their parking lots behind their buildings so they are not such a prominent feature of the site. They also encourage the placement of buildings closer to the streets to give developments more of a pedestrian-oriented feel. There are concerns that the Wal-Mart project doesn't do enough of either.

But the city's planning staff is recommending approval of the project's design. Wal-Mart also is agreeing that at least 30 percent of the exterior of the store will be made of natural materials such as stone, brick or wood. It also is agreeing to plant more trees and provide more landscaped areas than the city code requires.

l Traffic. Members of the West Lawrence Neighborhood Assn. have long voiced concerns that the number of vehicles traveling to the store will overwhelm the Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive intersection. They have said they fear vehicles will begin cutting through their neighborhood to avoid the congestion on Sixth Street.

Wal-Mart leaders counter that they conducted extensive traffic studies of the area that show the intersection will handle the expected traffic. But neighborhood members have taken exception to how those studies were conducted.

l Litigation. Hanging over the entire process will be the fact that an agreement reached between the city and Wal-Mart to put a series of lawsuits on hold while the retailer's new plans are considered is about to expire. The six-month time period on the agreement expires Tuesday. The agreement allows for an extension, if all parties agree to it. But neither side would comment on whether they would seek an extension if the plan is not approved Tuesday.

Without an extension, Douglas County District Court Judge Michael Malone could restart the cases, two of which were just days away from going to trial before the agreement was reached in April. In the lawsuit, Wal-Mart is seeking permission to build a much bigger store than what it currently has proposed. The store proposed in the lawsuit would be 132,000 square feet.

The 5-5 vote by the Lawrence-Douglas County Planning Commission means four of the five city commissioners must vote for the plan to give it final approval on Tuesday. If the project receives only three votes, then it must be sent back to the Planning Commission to be debated again. Following that debate, regardless of the Planning Commission action, the City Commission can approve the development with three votes.

Commissioners will meet at 6:35 p.m. Tuesday at City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

Comments

irishblues 8 years, 2 months ago

Hey, if they don't like it on the west side, bring it over to 10. Plenty of room, it would bring some added business to this side of town.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 2 months ago

Mayor Amyx, Wal-Mart is all about politics by their choice. Their low wages and agressive approach are not desirable in many communities.

http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/news/

http://www.wal-martlitigation.com/front.htm

There are other places to shop and everything Wal-Mart is not a bargain.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

I want to be a "Deep Thraot" it sounds like an endangered species or something.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"i hate to complain all the time"

Given that that's all you do, you must have a miserable existence.

If this is approved it will only be to avoid litigation in which Wal-Mart has been given an upper hand by corrupt actions of previous planning and city commissions. 6th Street and Wakarusa will become just as big a traffic disaster as 23rd St.

Just another example of what happens when greed and stupidity are the main planning tools of a city.

Rationalanimal 8 years, 2 months ago

This calls for ending the evening by singing Kumbaya holding hands round a camp fire on the banks of the Kansas.

After that's done, c'mon brothers and sisters, we're all down at Wal-mart saving money.

chzypoof1 8 years, 2 months ago

Merrill, just don't shop there. Don't work there. End of story. We don't need your links AGAIN about how horrible they are.

This has become a huge hippie/political attack on Walmart itself, which is ridiculous. You people on these forums talk about freedoms, and liberty, but you want to stifle a business, just because it's walmart.

Let's pretend, for a moment, that they were building a 150,000 sq ft TARGET there. Would there be as much complaining? Nope. Cuz they're not the devil, right?

Anyway, get over it. The walmart will be built. Hippies will have to drive their Prius's around town, and all will be well.

Emily Hadley 8 years, 2 months ago

"the whole parking lot behind the building criteria is POOR planning. it takes us back to the 1950's-1960's and gives us wonderful sights such as the hillcrest shopping center, dickinson plaza (an exception for the 1970's), and the malls shopping center...and last i checked two out of three have been suffering for years."

^This is bizarre. Those places all have parking in front of the stores. A bit of employee parking in the back by the dumpsters, yes, but the parking lots are definitely out front there.

The 50s and 60s were all about the cars--that is the era that introduced us to the front parking lot. Remember the drive-in diner? The drive-in movie theater?

Parking that doesn't leave you at the front store of one giant store is much more efficient, because it can be shared by multiple businesses, making it more useful to everyone.

Whatever slur anyone wants to use for chain discount box-store opponents, supporters, or nihilists, the bottom line is the same. These stores take money out of our city quickly and damage local markets by using their existing power for international buying power, resistance to labor unions and disregard for responsible production. People all over the world are either kept or made poor by the profitability of these stores.

In a country where money drives politics, we must pay attention to the largest corporation in the world, especially when it refuses labor unions, knows that our tax dollars to compensate for its employees' low incomes, and has power over international trade laws created to protect people from exploitation.

Richard Ballard 8 years, 2 months ago

Let them build it, for crying out loud! We want a neighborhood Wal-Mart store on the north side of town.

And while we are at it, lets finish the bypass along it's original planned route also.

The frogs & mosquito's will co-exist just fine in the man-made wetland.

rcmodel

Sigmund 8 years, 2 months ago

I hope the Kommission opposes Wal-Mart and it all goes back to court. Wasted legal fees should run up the city's defict leaving less money for libraries, roundabouts, street repairs and corporate welfare for the bus company. Wilgren's and Corliss's examinations under oath and the contents of their pretrial depositions will make for must see TV. Front page LJW articles on the conflict of interest of the PLC Kommissioners and illegal denial of Wal-Marts building permit will keep Bozo busy for days.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

Let us know where it'll be playing so we'll all be able to avoid a screening near us, Marion.

lunacydetector 8 years, 2 months ago

the whole parking lot behind the building criteria is POOR planning. it takes us back to the 1950's-1960's and gives us wonderful sights such as the hillcrest shopping center, dickinson plaza (an exception for the 1970's), and the malls shopping center...and last i checked two out of three have been suffering for years.

who comes up with these assinine ideas anyway? it seems that planning ideas go in circles. it's just like the roadways. first it is frontage roads galore, then it's traffic impediment islands running down the middle of the road - then someone gets the bright idea to tear out the islands and put in striped center turn lanes with multiple entrances, then it is frontage roads galore...etc....etc., now we are on the traffic islands running down the road. how many more years do we have to wait for those to disappear?

i hate to complain all the time but it seems like when it comes to planning, common sense doesn't apply.

could it be a rotation of the text books every few years, one favoring one idea over another then a few years down the road the other idea gets favored over the first idea?

are the planning professors too far removed from the real world? they gotta be.

jafs 8 years, 2 months ago

Interesting comments as always on this subject. Wal-Mart has a history of breaking labor laws and skirting zoning regulations in a variety of places. If it were just an example of "succesful capitalism", it wouldn't be as controversial. The book "Wal-Mart: The Bully of Bentonville" details much of their misbehavior, and was written by a Business Week journalist (not exactly a hippie left-winger). His conclusion is that Wal-Mart is bad for the American economy, as well as for the folks that have to work there. Wal-Mart has settled a number of lawsuits regarding unpaid overtime, etc. The comments regarding choice re: working/shopping there only apply to people who have enough money/employment opportunites to make other choices. The current administration seems rather uninterested in enforcing anti-trust regulations, thus essentially ceding the marketplace to large corporations - one of the basic tenets of capitalism is competition, which cannot flourish when large conglomerates/monopolies dominate the market. Wal-Mart does provide a wide variety of inexpensive goods, but that seems to be it's only benefit to a community, and we already have one in town. If it's true that the previous commission violated zoning requirements in allowing them to build there, why can't that be overturned?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"While I do believe the city commission has sucked (the Krauses are getting screwed)"

The commission has stated support for allowing the Krauses to operate their restaurant. They have even instructed staff to find the appropriate zoning mechanism to do that.

Sorry if it isn't happening as fast as you'd like, but it was the Krauses who decided to do this in violation of zoning restrictions.

KsTwister 8 years, 2 months ago

Solomon is right on this. The time to say no to them,came and went. Now just take the bad pill and at least save $$$ in legal litigation fees,Lawrence you lose and you can blame City Hall because they made the original decision.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"This has become a huge hippie/political attack on Walmart itself, "

The "attack" is by people like you who hate anyone you percieve to be a "liberal hippie type." And you'll do it no matter how inappropriate or stupid the development is, as long as it's for a business you percieve as being on your "team."

chzypoof1 8 years, 2 months ago

You're right bozo, I dislike people on these forums that are hipocrites. They want everyone to be free...and encourage downtown....and save the sacred frogs in the swamplands.....

Walmart has as much right to build there as any other store. If you don't like them, get over it. This should and is a legal issue, not an "I hate walmart" issue....

BTW...I hate walmart too, but I feel like in the realm of free enterprise, they should be allowed to build. If no one goes and shops there, it will close, and you will win.

geppetto 8 years, 2 months ago

I am sorry but I don't see why we need another walmart. The one we have is enough.

bangaranggerg 8 years, 2 months ago

How can someone contact the West Lawrence Neighborhood association, I own a home which is directly affected with frontage on roads which would be used to cut through traffic at 6th and Wak. I feel like if this neighborhood association is voicing concern it should at least speak with people who actually could be affected. Who are they? If it's my neighborhood, why haven't I had say in their agenda? I could make my own association and not let anyone in the neighborhood in on it if that is how it works.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

scenebooster,

Convenience and market demand.


Is anyone else tired of this whole thing? I don't think we need 4 Dillons or 4 McDonald's either, but they are still there.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"Wow, do you just realize you just supported the argument of alot of the people you side against on here:"

Please explain.

imastinker 8 years, 2 months ago

This isn't about driving across town to a Wal Mart or whether the community can support it. Wal Mart thinks there is a market there, and they want to put their money where their mouth is. Lawrence doesn't want to let them, and is trying to choke out their interest by passing crazy zoning laws and trying to get them to quit. This is ridiculous.

Also, their wages are high enough because people still work there. They are entitled, like every other business in America, to decide what's fair for wages and prices. If people don't like it, people don't go there. If people don't go there, they go out of business. End of story.

America was built on this system. Only Fidel and Boog would disagree.

conservative 8 years, 2 months ago

Wal-mart won't build in North Lawrence because that isn't where the growth will be. Look at the maps for expected growth in Lawrence, the growth is to the West and the South. It was even answered in the chat the other day that they weren't showing projected growth to the North because of the high cost of putting in sewage and other infrastructure.

whatintheworld 8 years, 2 months ago

Walmart is coming to the west side. Get over it. Grouching about it doesn't change it.

jafs 8 years, 2 months ago

blue, I forgot about the recycling center - that is a good thing. I do think though that Wal-Mart, and other large corporations, should be made to follow laws, and not be allowed to run rough-shod over local communities just because they are big. Why does no one recall that the previous City Commission is reputed to have violated zoning regulations with their original approval of the project? Zoning regulations and approval/lack thereof of various proposed developments are how communities regulate growth and help preserve their uniqueness.

jafs 8 years, 2 months ago

Marion, there are a number of businesses in town that offer recycling pick-up at one's home - I believe they are fairly succesful, and charge for the service. I use one of them personally.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"Don't want to support the theatre showing Marion's movie, don't go there."

Agreed. I was just asking for a warning so I could make sure not to go there.

jafs 8 years, 2 months ago

imastinker, private businesses are in fact not allowed to determine wages on their own. That's why we have a minimum wage and other labor laws - to make sure that the greed of businesses is kept in check a little bit. America was built on a number of ideas, not just free market capitalism. And, of course, as logic points out, we haven't had true free market capitalism for a long time. If we cede control of our country to unregulated businesses, we will see the continuing abuse of money and power by those businesses, and the continuing decline in the average citizen's quality of life, health care, etc. The Constitution includes a phrase "to promote the general welfare" which seems oddly invisible in public debate. This country was not founded on a simple idea of individual freedom/unregulated businesses. And I do get very tired of the name-calling - one can disagree with a narrow-minded conservative/libertarian point of view without being a communist. While we're on the subject, the current administration seems to be violating the Constitution in significant ways - why is the president not being held to his promise to "uphold" it, as given in his inauguration oath?

Sigmund 8 years, 2 months ago

Scenebooster seems to have missed my point. I was highlighting the irony of the impact of wasted tax dollars further litigation would cause numerous PLC proposed taxpayer funded projects. But of course you really believe that WalMart would build a store where there was no demand. You are an idiot.

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

Wow-That's some happy thoughts.

Business is war, huh? "Go Rin No Sho..?"

Maybe so...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

chyzypoof said:

"Walmart has as much right to build there as any other store. If you don't like them, get over it. This should and is a legal issue, not an "I hate walmart" issue...."

I agree. Although Wal-Mart really does suck, and I don't shop there, the issue is one of zoning. That intersection is not appropriate for a department store (or whatever you want to call stores like Wal-Mart and Target) and that is the argument the city has been consistently making. It has not been waging an anti-Wal-Mart campaign. Otherwise, why would they have allowed the expansion of the S. Iowa Wal-Mart?

But that's just more of that logical "hippie" thinking you so despise.

monkeyspunk 8 years, 2 months ago

Scenebooster: If you can't make an argument with resorting to insults, perhaps you should take a break from these forums and go rethink your argument. You asked the question "why do we need another wal-mart?" and it was answered: "Market and Convenience." They wouldn't build if they thought that it would fail.

just_another_bozo: Wow, do you just realize you just supported the argument of alot of the people you side against on here:

Don't want to support the theatre showing Marion's movie, don't go there.

Same goes for Wallieworld, don't like it, don't shop there. If enough of you who dislike it can make your friends not go there, then perhaps it will fail. Market at work.

Confrontation 8 years, 2 months ago

They'll build the WalMart, and all sorts of West Lawrence soccer moms will fill the parking lots with their SUVs and Minivans. It'll stay just as packed as the other WalMart.

BabyJay13 8 years, 2 months ago

What I don't get it why you people can't post your thought and opinions out here without cussing at each other. You think you have an intelligent arguement and then you go and start calling people idiots and cussing at them, that makes you sound childish. I agree with chzypoof's statements, they have the right to build there just as much as any other business. There is always going to be arguements about whether or not someone should be allowed to build a building/business somewhere, especially if it is a bigger corporation. If you don't like it, then it is your choice not to shop there. Get over it and yourselves.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

"Same goes for Wallieworld, don't like it, don't shop there"

That's not the issue. The issue is that that intersection already has enough going on without clogging it up further with a Wal-Mart (an unnecessary one, at that, although that is redundant.) That's why there are zoning laws, which in this case have been totally ignored, thanks in large part to Wal-Mart's deep pockets and willingness to litigate to get whatever it wants.

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

Quick question- If Wal-Mart is so bad and evil, why is the parking lot packed every weekend and evening? It can't be everyone from Baldwin every night, and Ottawa has a Wal-Mart all their own...

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

I understand that...What I am asking is if so many people, especially that post here, don't like it or want them to change, then why still shop there? They surely don't have that strong a hold on people that would make them shop there even if they go against any moral, ethical, social etc. values that that person may have? Or what does that say about our convictions...

Katara 8 years, 2 months ago

conservative said: It was even answered in the chat the other day that they weren't showing projected growth to the North because of the high cost of putting in sewage and other infrastructure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The west/northwest side of Lawrence are experiencing sewer & infrastructure problems now. Putting in a new walmart is only going to increase those problems there too.

Perhaps the reason why there is no expected growth in N. Lawrence is because they lack things such as a grocery store. Perhaps walmart building there would foster growth in N. Lawrence.

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

So going to Wal-Mart is breaking a commandment or violating the Koran, or what ever (if you believe in that sort of thing...lest we get into a holy war over freeking Wal-Mart) and making money is bad also? Capitalism be dammed huh? It is wrong then to strive to become wealthy, or for a business to become successful.

I am not saying I agree with how Wal-Mart does things, or what their particular practices are, nor condoning them...what I am asking is if the general consensus of people is they are bad for the community, bad for the economy, then why are so many people still shopping there. There are plenty of alternatives and local shops that can supply the same things.

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

It must be a "do as I say, not as I do" type thing...kind of hypocritical for such a "progressive" community...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 2 months ago

Pure "strawman" and "argument by assertion," ranger73, and therefore, verrry weak.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

Ranger73,

According to Marion they are "Deep Thraots [sic]" See the above posts.

I want to be a "Deep Thraot!"

I'm not sure what a "Deep Thraot" is, but it sounds fun. :p

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

lol

whatever happens, I hope the powers that be make sure some nice affordable buffet style restaurant goes in also...Eating out in this town just isn't the same since Furr's and Sirloin Stockade are gone. Who can forget the great kids eat free nights and free dessert if you're over 80 offers?

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Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm not sure Lawrence really NEEDS another walmart, but frankly, I don't care. It would employ many people that would otherwise be unemployed. That alone is enough for me; if walmart can support them more than being unemployed can support them, fantastic. Don't forget to punch-in.

If walmart puts other mom&pop stores out of business: fine. Mom and pop are unemployed while countless more people gain employment. If Baskin Robins puts Sylas & Maddie's out of business, it's Sylas & Maddie's fault. They didn't have Praline Surprise while Baskin Robbins had Praline Swirl, Crunch AND Surprise, and you get two scoops for the price of 1 S&M scoop. Sylas & Maddie's didn't have the money or the creativity to compete with Baskin Robbins? Then Sylas & Maddie should have stayed out of the frozen treats business. Maybe Sylas and Maddie aren't as cutthroat as Baskin Robbins.

This is economic "conquest", and, unless monopoly laws change, predictable. You don't have to like it. If you want to try to socially engineer your perfect little college town, go right ahead. You will fail. Maybe you want to whine about it and try to garner public support for your progressive (read: untried) cause. You will fail.

Let the big business do their thing. You are powerless. There are more important battles to fight.

Sigmund 8 years, 2 months ago

scenebuster, I didnt realize that WalMart built the Riverfront Mall! It is the only empty WalMart building I have ever seen. WalMart does not build a store without very strong evidence it will be profitable. Despite you're expert opinion, I trust their market research. You are still and idiot.

Katara 8 years, 2 months ago

I really don't see a need for another wal-mart in this town.

I'm curious as to what will happen if it doesn't do enough business and decides to close shop. Then we are stuck with an empty building that will probably be too much for anyone to lease since it is in West Lawrence.

I still think that North Lawrence would benefit most from having a wal-mart. They don't have a grocery store or any other type of store that is close by to get necessities. If it was right by the interstate then there would be lots of traffic from there for people stopping during their travels for snacks & items they forgot from home.

I shop at walmart although I'm not thrilled to be doing so. I'm not rich enough yet to have a lot of choices as to where I shop.

MeeMa8 8 years, 2 months ago

Everyone keeps talking about how much this will impact the traffic in the area. Developers have submitted plans to completely fill the space between Wakarusa and Folks Rd. with houses, apartments, offices, retail and the community theatre. What do you think that is going to do to traffic along 6th Street? I didn't see anyone throwing a fit about that when the proposal for that was in the paper. Oh I forgot, that developer is part of the inner circle of the Lawrence elite.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 2 months ago

Actually, we've had three Wal-Mart locations here in Ottawa.

The first Wal-Mart moved into an already existing building. Wal-Mart then decided that one wasn't big enough, so they built a new one further south down 59.

That old Wal-Mart building is now an Orschelin's.

Then Wal-Mart decided again that the building they had wasn't big enough, and they built another new one, a super center, on the other side of 59, at 23rd St.

The second old Wal-Mart building is currently filled by three businesses, Goody's, Good Will, and Dollar General. But it took a long time to fill it. Businesses came and went for a long time, the only constant through the years has been Dollar General. We were supposed to get a Hobby Lobby in one of the empty slots, but that never happened. Damn shame.

I don't know how long the second old building will remain full of businesses. It hasn't remained that way for long in the past, but you never know.

And when will Wal-Mart decide to build yet another building here in Ottawa?

To be fair, however, KFC did the same thing here. They had one building at 9th and Main, and then later on they abandoned that one and built a new one right next door. (that was funny, actually...like you were going to get different customers building 50 feet away) Then they decided to build a third building at 21st and 59. The two old buildings are now where Subway and China Palace (restaurant) are located.

Pizza Hut had one building on 15th. Then they built a new one at 23rd and 59.

Is this a new business trend, or what? Seems kind of silly to me.

I do shop at Wal-Mart, but I wish I didn't have to. No, I don't like their business practices, and no, I can't afford the luxury of sticking to my convictions and not shopping there at all.

We have only two grocery stores here in Ottawa, and one of those is Wal-Mart. I would gladly shop at Dillons or HyVee if we had one, especially on the north side of town. There isn't a grocery there at all, and it's a loooong walk out south.

Dollar General and Dairy Queen did the sensible thing. Since this city is basically split between north and south areas, they have one store on each end of town. Both businesses, on both ends of town, moved into existing buildings.

And we have three Casey's. But only one McDonald's. (not that this is important, but it's interesting)

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

Casey's used to make THE BEST pizza, and by "the best", I mean "the greasiest", and awesome. Way awesome.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

er, sorry for reading into your posts. probably went a bit too far and i apologize.

Katara 8 years, 2 months ago

Too bad you don't have a Hy-Vee, crazyks. I love their stores!

They are always clean. The people are always friendly. Plus they treat their employees fairly well from what I hear, at least much better than Dillion's.

I only wish they did double coupons & then I could ditch Dillon's too.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

HyVee has some of the most gut-wrenchingly annoying commercials though.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

That's right, Mr. DJ Scenebooster, those who shop at walmart are idiots/white trash, aren't they? Way to take the high road. Perhaps these are values you'll forget to impart whilst raising your daughter.

Taxpayer 8 years, 2 months ago

bangaranggerg,

The West Lawrence Neighborhood Association is a group of SELF-APPOINTED (there was no election...) people in the neighborhood (anchored by George Williams and Wakarusa) that decided to get together and make decisions for the entire neighborhood. They have a web site (try googling WLNA) that explains their "plans."
Watch out, if you don't agree with them, then they are not very nice people.
I live in the neighborhood, and they do NOT represent my views....

Sandra Willis 8 years, 2 months ago

Citizens, Why does the WALMART Corporation feel they need to add ANOTHER of their stores here? We have ONE already!

Richard Heckler 8 years, 2 months ago

Wal-Marts Empty Stores prevent competition and produces little revenue for the community. Not exactly why commercial zoned property is designated. Over 300 EMPTY stores.

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21820/

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

"Wow! You're too dense to get the point...no wonder you shop at walmart!" -- Scenebooster Soundsystem Hi-Fi DJ with Dual Tape Deck

Hmm:Mr. Soundsystem, if you don't think that's an instance of generalizing and that it's not meant to be insulting and degrading, then who are you to call anyone "dense", since you don't even understand the intent of your own statements? Your true colors show, and are BLACK and WHITE. You hate certain groups of people. Furthermore, your unwavering allegiance to Everything Left is borderline comical, not to mention a clear sign of a self-assumed inadequate intellect in disguise.

Pardon me for bringing your daughter into this. I had her best interests in mind, though. I was just making an honest, unveiled attempt to convince you to sober up and make the choice to not pass down to her the same woefully immature, holier-than-thou frame-of-mind -- it's clearly insecurity masquerading as 'thoughtful opinion', and is, frankly, pathetic.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

Shelby your only making it worse for youself. Scenebooster won't get it, and will assume a personal attack regardless of you intentions.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

And as to your "what exactly is more important than caring about what happens to your community?" rhetorical question, let me clarify what your actual feelings are.

You could care less what happens to your community insofaras "community" relates to what you (would probably) call 'white trash'. They don't have the same value system as you, and you could care less about them. You would like to exclude them from YOUR community if you could legally, and this is the closest you can come to that.

You care about the LOOK and FEEL of YOUR community. You want less Arbys, more Tellers, less Dollar Generals, more Pier 1, and at the expense of anyone but yourself.

What you want, incidently, is to live on one of the coasts.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 2 months ago

Actually it is very easy to not shop Wal-Mart. On electronic devices Kiefs may be willing to offer a low priced product. Don't assume they won't. Cottins is quite good on price and service.

The more Wal-Mart stores the more Wal-Mart choices have been made for you. All of this talk of more choices is not what more Wal-Mart stores bring. It's about what Wal-Mart has determined is best for the consumer which has pushed many jobs abroad and many americans out of work.

Why focus only on Wal-Mart? COSTCO is a better store for communities because of their wages and benefits.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

Isn't Costco like Sam's Club?

Wouldn't that mean Costco was a discount sto...never mind.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

Scenebooster,

Not that I want to get in an argument with you now that Shelby back off, but...

I was telling Shelby that you might interpret Shelby's comments as personal attacks no matter what Shelby's intentions happened to be.

I was NOT saying that Scenebooster (meaning you) was making personal attacks.

Just don't like to be misquoted.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

what anger, josh? I'm just surprised at YOUR anger!

again, "Wow! You're too dense to get the point...no wonder you shop at walmart!"

Are you going to assert that this statement wasn't anger/hate-fueled with the intention of degrading someone?

ranger73 8 years, 2 months ago

Gee Logic-

I must are and ig-no-ra-mus ifn I dun did that?

I don't recall saying anything about what either side thinks or doesn't think, except for something about equating going to Wal-Mart a sin. All I said is that it seems that a lot of people are saying don't support Wal-Mart and don't like them but they still spend their money there instead of supporting the local businesses they are supposed proponents of. (excuse the preposition)

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

No one should be identifying anyone on these posts who do not want to be identified.

Shelby you could get in a lot of trouble if Scenebooster decides to report you.

ControlFreak 8 years, 2 months ago

BTW, the article was right.

"Always high drama."

Dixie Jones 8 years, 2 months ago

soloman put that #$%^ cat down! lol personally i would like to see more built in north lawrence... or put something in the huge mall that sits idle by the pike...sad....

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

:

"Wow! You're too dense to get the point...no wonder you shop at walmart!"

It was just your vehemence, and your inability to see that this statement is a derogatory one, meant to belittle, that really got me interested in this discussion--perhaps it's either conscious, subconscious, or a typo.

I have no problem with any of this. I'm just having fun pointing out the hypocrisy and pseudo-intellect! YIPEEEE!!

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

How so, because I implied that you have a daughter?

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

I have nothing against you, just the statements and opinions I've been exposed to on ljworld.com, and I was hoping that the crux of these wouldn't get passed down to your offspring. I still hope this is the case. I'm not attacking anybody directly. I don't know you just like I don't know George W. Bush, but I still have feelings about what he says/does. I hope certain things about him are not recreated by HIS daughters, for instance. I've met you before. I never identified anybody, other than that someone named "Josh" may or may not be a name associated with the local r&b artist Scenebooster Soundsystem LCD. "Josh" also happens to be associated with a famous black baseball player, for instance. I shall withhold his last name, just as I am yours.

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

and what do YOU call it, oh great arbiter of genre?

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

listen sceney, I take back that whole post about you hating mobile-home dwellers and the like. That was conjecture.

The rest I'll remain on board with. I also know you have an affinity for raspberry Tootsie Pops(tm).

Shelby 8 years, 2 months ago

Uh, yeah. It is. That certainly is damning. I can't believe I said that, and only two months ago! Yeah, that's not funny.

letsgetwise 8 years, 2 months ago

When Target came to town, I was working at HyVee as a cashier. Wages at the grocery stores went up as well as at Wal-Mart. I quit my job at HyVee to work at Wal-Mart because they were paying .50 more an hour than HyVee OR Target. Now, that was how ever many years ago Target came to town. I do not know what wages are like at these places today. I was wondering...did anyone ever consider building this other Wal-Mart out where the "Mall" went in at I-70? You know, the one that just about everything has closed at, where the DMV is located? I actually thought that would have been a great location for a Super Walmart to go, North Lawrence could use a grocery store and with the highway right there I think other traffic would have stopped as well. Just wondering...

Katara 8 years, 2 months ago

letsgetwise,

I posted this earlier...

"I still think that North Lawrence would benefit most from having a wal-mart. They don't have a grocery store or any other type of store that is close by to get necessities. If it was right by the interstate then there would be lots of traffic from there for people stopping during their travels for snacks & items they forgot from home." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Mall makes sense to me. Surely it is big enough for Walmart to build a Superwalmart there. Plenty of parking and easy access to the interstate so other small towns can get to it easily for their needs too.

I have a relative that worked at Walmart at least 7 years ago & was earning $6.00/hr as a stocker. She also had a 10% discount card (so you would spend some of your paycheck back to the store). Both of her kids were on Healthwave so she didn't have to worry about insurance. I have no idea what the wages are now.

white_mountain 8 years, 2 months ago

I have a friend in Tonganoxie who works in Lawrence and would just love to have a Wal-Mart there in north lawrence.

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