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Bush bound for Kansas

President hopes to turn tide in Jim Ryun race

November 3, 2006

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— The White House on Thursday confirmed President Bush will visit Kansas on Sunday to stump for U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun, R-Lawrence, who is locked in a tough race against Democratic challenger Nancy Boyda.

Now the question is whether Bush's appearance will help or hurt Ryun, a five-term incumbent and one of the most conservative members of Congress.

Boyda said Bush's visit to Topeka will be "too little, too late."

She said her campaign's internal polling shows she is pulling ahead of Ryun in the district that includes west Lawrence, Topeka, Manhattan and southeast Kansas.

Allan Cigler, political science professor at Kansas University, said Bush's visit confirms that Ryun is in jeopardy of losing.

But Cigler said Bush's presence should give Ryun a boost.

"He (Bush) is coming here to energize the Republican base, and Ryun in that district has won largely because he has been able to energize the evangelical vote, and Bush can help him do that," Cigler said.

However, Cigler said the visit also illustrates that Ryun is solidly in line with Bush on the most divisive issue of the campaign: the war in Iraq.

Rallying Republicans

Nationally, Democrats are hoping to win majorities in Congress on Tuesday because of public discontent about the war and recent scandals. Bush is spending the last five days of the campaign crisscrossing the country to try to shore up support for Republicans.

But Jeffrey Black, campaign manager for Ryun, denied that Bush's visit was solely to help the congressman.

"He's not here for us. He's here for Kansas Republicans," Black said. "This is a great opportunity to bring all Republicans in Kansas together and get pumped up."

Last month, Vice President Dick Cheney stopped in Topeka to help raise $209,000 for Ryun. Black said Bush's visit was not a fundraiser, but simply a chance to rally voters.

Boyda has maintained for weeks that her race with Ryun was close, and several congressional watch groups have backed her claims.

On Thursday, she said a poll taken for her campaign last week of 1,000 likely voters showed she was ahead 47.7 percent to 38.5 percent.

But Black said Ryun was ahead in the race even though Ryun conceded Tuesday that the contest was tight.

"Close is relative," Black said, but he declined to reveal the campaign's internal polling.

Voter decision

Boyda heard about Bush's travel plans after speaking to students at Free State High School.

President Bush campaigns at a Republican rally Thursday in Billings, Mont. Bush has been traveling the country trying to drum up support for the GOP, which is in danger of losing control of Congress in Tuesday's election. On Sunday, Bush will visit Topeka to campaign for U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun of Lawrence, who faces Democrat Nancy Boyda.

President Bush campaigns at a Republican rally Thursday in Billings, Mont. Bush has been traveling the country trying to drum up support for the GOP, which is in danger of losing control of Congress in Tuesday's election. On Sunday, Bush will visit Topeka to campaign for U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun of Lawrence, who faces Democrat Nancy Boyda.

"I don't think the president's visit is going to help him (Ryun), but that is totally up to the voter," she said.

Boyda said Bush's announcement Wednesday that he wanted Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to remain in the job until the end of his term in 2009 didn't sit well with voters who are unhappy with the war.

"I don't think that gives people the sense of security that they are looking for," she said.

When it became apparent earlier in the week that Bush would stop Sunday in Topeka, Boyda put together plans to have a campaign rally at 1 p.m. that day at the Capitol.

Bush will speak at 6:20 p.m. at the Kansas Expocentre as one of several stops he is making Sunday in the Midwest. Black said tickets for the event, which is open to the public, are available through the Kansas Republican Party.

Bush easily won Kansas in 2000 and 2004 with support from 58 percent and 62 percent of voters respectively, but Kansas Democrats have a strong ticket in this midterm election year.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and U.S. Rep. Dennis Moore, whose district includes eastern Lawrence, are seeking re-election against outfunded Republican candidates.

And Democrat Paul Morrison, the Johnson County district attorney, has put up a fierce political fight against Republican Atty. Gen. Phill Kline.

In addition, Boyda has surprised some political observers by closing the gap with Ryun, who defeated Boyda easily in 2004.

Comments

Frank Smith 8 years, 4 months ago

It costs $57,000 per hour to operate Air Force 1. It's a six hour round trip flight. The bill for having Bush come to Kansas will easily exceed half a million dollars and Topekans will have to pick up much of the tab for the local security.

Taxpayers are picking up a financial burden for the Iraq disaster that already amounts to an average $1,300 apiece for every single man, woman and child in Kansas. Between the projected costs of the occupation and the interest costs for putting the whole enterprise on the credit card, the eventual total cost has been estimated by a Noble prize winning economist as $4,000-$8,000 apiece. All it has managed to do is cost the lives, so far, of almost 3,000 young American men and women with 20,000 injured and perhaps half permanently disabled. There have been 650,000 Iraqi civilians who have come to an early death. Almost half are under 15 years old.

The supposedly "pro-life" Ryun supported the illegal invasion and occupation at every turn. So now we're paying for his boss (since he doesn't often answer to Kansas taxpayers) to come and bail him out.

We, our children and our grandchildren will be paying for this mess for the rest of our lives. For this debt burden, we have earned the enmity of a billion Muslims throughout the world, people who were with us on 9/11.

kenmckenzie 8 years, 4 months ago

I was wondering how much it would cost to bring Mr. Bush to town. But, they also bring in the Security Personnel, Security vehicles and the Presidents Limo, most generally Air Force 2 for backup. It looks like they could spend the money that its going to take, and use it more wisely. Like education, Police/Fire Departments, or put that money into health care for our citizens, Medicaid,Medicare and the like.

Ken Miller 8 years, 4 months ago

The most disturbing thing about Boyda is her susceptibility to believing looney-tunes conspiracy theories like the so-called Super Corridor project. Not only have Republicans called her assertions hogwash, but Democrats have as well...or they have remained silent, not preaching support. Why haven't Moore, or the KDOT Secretary (a Democratic appointee) come out in support? Because good old Nancy and Steve have been duped by the World Net Daily crowd into believing that a 12-lane Superhighway is going to hook up with K-10 and the old Sunflower Ammo Plant to funnel illegals in to wash our clothes and clean our houses.

Kansas Democrats, is that the best you can do on the issues? You've been sold short.

don_burgess 8 years, 4 months ago

Patriotman. . . .

Nice name. Perhaps you could've chosen "Blind follower" or "BS-repeater." "stuck in the cold war" is a good one, too.

Or maybe you and rationalanimal should get together and help DUBYA plan our next massive world war catastrophy to help bring about christs return.

Wouldnt that be beautiful?

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

right_thinker wrote:

...the tactics of the Democratic Party: A. Attack, hate, no ideas B. Take control C. Gridlock D. Screw America like it's never been screwed before E. Blame the resulting screw-job on Republicans

Really? Like I said, please try to get your news from various sources and not just Fox news and Kansas newspapers.

A. Attack, hate, no ideas - both parties do this but the Republicans are far better at this concept. See Phil Kline.

B. Take control - Uh, didn't Republicans just have control of all 3 branches in the latest terms? They were able to achieve this through fear-mongering and, oh, how the scandals have been pouring down ever since.

C. Gridlock - Not sure what you mean but I suppose it would be better if we had just white, christian republicans make all the laws and run the country.

D. Screw America like never before - Yeah, kind of like the Iraq war which we're spending 1 billion dollars per day...kind of sounds like when USSR invaded Afganistan. We all know how that turned out.

E. Blame the current screw-job on Republicans - Yeah, kind of like blaming 9/11 on Clinton, ain't it?

Go ahead, please enlighten me more w/ your limited knowledge.

8 years, 4 months ago

Ho, hum.

Here's a good giggle. On Ryun's web site there's a link called "Truth Alert". Should we be surprised it returns a 404 - File Not Found error?

http://jimryun.com/default.aspx?sectionid=2712

werekoala 8 years, 4 months ago

Patriotman:

Might be Ryun had something to do with the relocation of the big red 1, but that's based on a lot of factors and ultimately the decision of the Pentagon. But to suggest we've been adequately bribed and should now not question our brilliant congressman? That's ridiculous.

Put it another way. Because of Ryun and his party's the willingness to stand by idley as jobs are exported overseas and small towns shut down, we'll never know how many more jobs could have been saved or created during his term. Maybe a change in leadership would bring about people who are actually willing to enforce a level playing field, and require good working conditions for workers in order to trade w/o tarriffs.

Because the current regime is fine with communist political prisoners being forced to make the products we consume in between sound bites about "spreading freedom".

oldgoof 8 years, 4 months ago

Patriotman: What funding at KU? Please explain.

Eagle_aye 8 years, 4 months ago

Am I the only one that thinks that all this "money raising" should be done for the underprivileged and not the candidates? I had to stop reading the paper this morning because I felt ill just thinking about how much money is raised and spent on mere moments on TV or radio, that could be better put to use in helping our country's poor. If they can raise thousands of dollars for campaigns then why can't they raise money to help where it is so desperately needed!?! Wake up candidates and use your "clout" where it is needed, our schools, our health care system ( I use that term lightly with tongue firmly planted in cheek because it is such a joke!) and to raise the standard of living for those less fortunate. Americans need to take a stand and demand that this madness be stopped!

Steve Jacob 8 years, 4 months ago

I am not sure you can say the Gov. or Ryan saved the bases. That's probally Pat Roberts doing. He's ALOT more powerful then you think.

Tychoman 8 years, 4 months ago

Mutual haters. Thinker if the occupant of Air Force One were making pointless trips for hack congressmen had been a Democrat, I assure you that both sides of the aisle would be raising as much of a stink over this as we are for Bush.

Rationalanimal 8 years, 4 months ago

"Because of Ryun and his party's the willingness to stand by idley as jobs are exported overseas and small towns shut down, we'll never know how many more jobs could have been saved or created during his term.

Because the current regime is fine with communist political prisoners being forced to make the products we consume in between sound bites about "spreading freedom"."


Only one of two things can be concluded from comments like this. Liberal/socialists are heavily medicated on a wide scale basis (we always suspected something funny the Kool Aide at the DNC parties), or, dellusional lunacy is a condition existing simultaneously with liberal thought.

Yo, you might want to check the unemployment numbers. They have been consistently lower than even Bubba's during the dot-com heyday. My taxes are way less than they were in the Monica-Bubba soap days, and if you liberals would stop this ridicilous defeatist anti-American rhetoric across the world (I know, its good for your own selfish political agenda), we could clean up in the middle east. Instead, your rhetoric that American troops are murderers, rapists and torturerers emboldens our enemies and gives them hope that the dissent in the American people makes us weak. Your rhetoric kills American soldiers.

But please, keep talking, so far the libs/socialist have been very good in this mid-term election about hiding from the American people who they really are and what they really stand for: tax increases galore, big government, geo-political run and hide pacificism, obese social programs, amnesty for illegal immigrants, gay marriage, abortion rights, and the all time favorite secularism.

Please, tell me where I'm wrong here.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

Rationalanimal wrote:

"...and if you liberals would stop this ridicilous defeatist anti-American rhetoric across the world (I know, its good for your own selfish political agenda), we could clean up in the middle east."

Yeah, since "W"orst is doing such a good job cleaning up the middle east. We had the sympathy of the world after 9/11, including alot of sympathy from the middle east, until "W"orst started his version of spreading democracy. Now, everybody hates us again.

I kind of feel sorry for people like you and right_thinker...you've just been misinformed your whole life. Here's a tip...go see the world and try to educate yourselves from sources other than Fox News. You'll be surprised.

abe_froman 8 years, 4 months ago

I agree with srj. I wouldn't pin the saving of military bases on Ryun. Roberts seems more likely ... he has a lot of clout. Ryun mainly crafted legislation to honor war vets. It may be admirable. But it hardly saved Kansas.

Jim Ryun is a nice enough man. But he isn't much of a mover and a shaker. I think many of us have had enough of the status quo. Five terms is a good run. But it's time to let someone else see what they can do.

And if you don't like Boyda, well, don't worry. Two years will fly by pretty fast.

don_burgess 8 years, 4 months ago

Roadkill - You are my hero.

I endorse your political viewpoint.

Rationalanimal = 0 Right_thinker = 0 Roakill rob = 1

don_burgess 8 years, 4 months ago

well said, roadkill.

"RIGHT THINKER" ......

... OH! I get it! That's clever! IT has two meanings!!!!

"Right" as in correct- - BUT ALSO "right" as in shallow-minded, pro-war, homophobic, fundamentalist, foxnews sheepherder. Cool name.

Right thinker is following suit with all republicans these days with his hypocracy and fear-based BS.

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

Bush + Kansas Visit= NO WIN for RYUN. How much plainer can that be? Sebelius serves as an example of how the climate in Kansas has changed. She is popular, though Democrat, because she tries to think outside the box. This President & the Congress are of the STONE AGE & they NEVER think outside the box until pressured. Well, come next Tuesday, they just might have to some BRAIN cells in order to get any work done. Otherwise, this President's agenda is DEAD.

tcp 8 years, 4 months ago

Is anyone organizing a protest? Does anyone know how to get in touch with someone who is doing so?

Katara 8 years, 4 months ago

"C. Gridlock" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I can never read or hear that word without then thinking of SNL's skit with Hartman & Carvey in a car spoofing Perot & his running mate (don't even remember his name any more.)

"GRIDLOCK!"

BOE 8 years, 4 months ago

Bush bound for Democratic Congress

commonsense 8 years, 4 months ago

I almost forgot that Clinton had never used Air Force 1 to visit a city while campaigning for other politicians. Must be a new thing, a GOP Bush thing.

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

commonsense, it's called the BUSH money machine working for HIM, not US. We get stuck paying the bill for boneheaded use of government property by crooked politicians. Katara, Dana Carvey played Ross Perot & Phil Hartman satired the role of the now late Vice Admiral James Stockdale as the running mate to Perot.

prioress 8 years, 4 months ago

D. Screw America like it's never been screwed before E. Blame the resulting screw-job on Republicans ====== R.T. D. is happening now, we just can't see it yet. E. will come true someday when the R's deficits will eventually require the "largest tax increase in the history of the universe" or benefit cuts of such a massive size that the public will be 'shocked, shocked, I tell you.' Regardless of the smaller issues, we are digging a hole the likes of which has never been seen.

dirkleisure 8 years, 4 months ago

Nice to see all of Kline's trolls have given up on the AG and now post their conservative love letters for Ryun. Compare what they are saying in their defense of Ryun to their former defenses of Kline. Their claims are equally indefensible.

Ryun and Kline - two of a kind.

There is no formal protest of Bush, but the Boyda campaign will have a rally at 1 pm on the Statehouse steps. I don't think any of their speakers will be there on the taxpayer dime.

youngitized 8 years, 4 months ago

This is typical of you conservatives...attack a good candidate because you have no ideas. Ryun has been nothing but a rubber stamp. Ryun's got no ideas, all he has is catch phrases. Your course of action is gloom and doom. That is why we need change. Just look at those scandalous Republicans.

GOPConservative 8 years, 4 months ago

Those who support Ryun's fiscal liberalism forget that most of the money Ryun pissed away was borrowed money!

Ryun has been marching lock-step with Bush. So far, they have borrowed almost two trillion dollars, mostly from the atheist and commies in China.

They waste this borrow money and our tax dollars on no-bid contracts with corrupt contractors who have been using outright fraud and extreme waste, as well as kick backs. Some of the money ends up as campaign contributions to promote Ryun's lies so he can return to Congress to keep voting for more corporate welfare and pork.

Ryun has seen his net worth skyrocket during his tenure in Congress. In one deal alone, Ryun's bottom line went up more than $300,000 when he bought a $700,000 home in Washington for $400,000 thanks to a kick back that Jack Abramoff gave Ryun for his support to industries Jack represented.

One of those industries made its money off of slave labor and prostitution in a territory of the United States, the Marianas Islands. When the young girls, who were forced to be prostitutes, became pregnant, Ryun's clients forced the girls to have abortions so these children could quickly return to proving their lucrative service to Ryun's clients.

http://cjonline.com/stories/052106/loc_ryunhome.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/28/AR2006052800964.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5492833

Ryun is a morally corrupt, fiscal liberal, who has been pissing away our taxes to reward the industries that made him rich.

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

Why then was that a sign for McDonalds & not IBM? Rational, where are the higher paying jobs in this country? BUSH sent them overseas! Why is it so wonderful under BUSH, Rational, that Student Financial Aid has been cut? Bush says he wants a highly educated society, cutting financial aid for college does NOTHING to help achieve that goal.

samsnewplace 8 years, 4 months ago

Oh Joy Bushy in Kansas, what more could anyone want? sounds like a costly visit for us, not that we have any choice here. I'm not impressed!

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

Kline, Ryun & Brownie Brownback are all of the same mold.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

Yep, it will be a costly visit and it won't help...people who are going to vote one way aren't going to change their mind b/c of this visit.

Let me guess what he's going to talk about:

-Democrats are soft on terror. -John Kerry hates the troops. -Sept 11 killed 3000 civilians. -Democrats have no plan for Iraq.

KsTwister 8 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone find it remarkable that Bush can quickly act on elections faster than 9/11, Katrina's dying citizens or securing our borders, or proper equipment for our soldiers? Electing new politicians surely could not give people another 4 years of the any worse than what we already have dealt with in regards to inaction down the line. It would not surprise me to know Bush just waves from the plane as he heads to Crawford for another vacation.

werekoala 8 years, 4 months ago

Rationalanimal:

"unemployment numbers...consistently lower than even Bubba's during the dot-com heyday."

The dot-com era was a mirage too, some value but a whole lot of phantom wealth being created. This era is just as bad. First, if you're unemployed long enough, they stop counting you. Second, you have all the shenanigans like a fry cook at McDonald's being reclassified as a "manufacturing" position.

But ultimately, I'm not just interested in people having a job, I'm interested in people having a job that allows them to support their families, and provides health care. Anything else looks good on paper, but just results in you and I paying more to make up the difference through the welfare state, which I hate.

Are you trying to tell me outsourcing doesn't exist? What about the Rust Belt? These are indications of serious flaws in the way we do business in this country. We've pushed all the actual grunt work overseas where people will do it for less money and benefits. Sometimes it's even done by political prisoners.

It's not just about jobs, to me it's a matter of national security to have a robust domestic manufacturing segment - that's the real reason we won WWII, you know. If we wanted to muster the same national effort today, we'd have to go hat-in-hand to China, Korea, Mexico, and many other countries.

It's funny to watch folks like you froth and foam about "letting the UN order us around", when you have no problem with economic policies that put our foreign policies in the hands of other countries.

Rationalanimal 8 years, 4 months ago

Roadkill wrote to Rational

"Here's a tip...go see the world and try to educate yourselves from sources other than Fox News. You'll be surprised."


Roadkill, I do not dispute the fact that a good portion of the world hates America because of what we stand for. A good portion of the world is ruled by dictators and oppressive governments (where is your outrage over the oppression going on within such nations?). And we all so very much appreciate the comprehensive job the liberal/socialists and biased media does in telling the world how bad we've screwed up and how our soldiers are thugs, murderers, rapists, and torturers. Really, our country, no better than the guys like Al-z and OBL. The soldiers who have died owe the lib/socialits in this country such a huge debt of gratitude.

If you didn't have it so good here in America, you wouldn't have the time to knife the very country in the back that has historically given more to its people in the way of liberty, peace, and prosperity than any other. But, again, we all owe you such a huge debt of gratitude for being able to come up with rhetoric that inflames our enemies and undermines our national objectives.

Yo, things aren't bad. The economy is solid, the unemployment rate is the lowest its virtually ever been, interest rates are at historical all time lows, more people own their own homes than ever, taxes are at all time lows, etc, etc, etc. So we've run into a snag in the middle east. Over 2,000 troops have died there. No one, and I mean no one should be happy about that. But to put things in perspective, 10's of thousands of Americans lost their lives over a few weeks in places like Iwo Jima. You probably know this Roadkill b/c you've been all over the world and such a history expert, there's nothing on Iwo Jima. Its a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific. But, we sent marines there in WWII and they bravely took it b/c it was strategic for American interests in the war. So, even if there were no WMD's found in Iraq, we still have a strategic interest there now and that is to allow a fragile democracy to develop or some form of stable government that is US friendly. If we cut and run now, the whole thing will cave in, just like Vietnam. You also recall, again b/c you're a world traveler and history expert, that when we left Vietnam millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians were slaughtered b/c of their political beliefs. But, that's just incidental collateral effects for liberals like yourself. You only care when its blue-blooded white colored people dying.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

Anyone else hear crickets chirping on the "right" side?

maxtin 8 years, 4 months ago

The simple fact is that the GOP is an incoherent coalition of social conservatives, fiscally liberal fantasy idealogue 'neo-cons' [they're the ones 'running' things (into the ground)] and ACTUAL Goldwater conservatives. The PROBLEM for the GOP is that under Rove's tutelage the GOP has pandered to the social conservatives and neocons (i.e., fiscal liberals) to a degree that is finally alienating actual Republican's... Are the republican's the party of the puritans... or of the republic? That's the internal tension. IF the neocon's can reign in the religious nuts, and FRIGHTEN the actual Republican's enough... they'll retain power. The "liberal hate mongers" have darn all say... Marion you're the loser if the Bush/Rove machine pulls another surprise out of the bag... real Republican's have become the servants of idealogues and religious nutjobs... Sad really. You should be cheering on an ass kicking for these idiots; since they betray almost everything you believe in. Wouldn't you like your party back?

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

Look, folks, everyone including myself finds that this election is about not only finding solutions but it's also emotional based. The problem with Bush & Cheney & Kline & the other Neophites running our country is that they say all this stuff they're doing is for our own good. When these people say that EVERYTHING they do is in concert with homeland security, it really demonstrates beyond one's imagination their INSECURITY with their own lives. These people tell us to live our lives & go about our daily business, but every time we turn around, there they are INTERFERING with our PRIVATE lives! ENOUGH already! There is a difference between THEM & us. THEY are public officials that deserve unlimited scrutiny with a probable chance of someone invading their private lives. We, are not public officials. We are private individuals. We are not the ones who sought elected office. THEY did. They want their private lives interrupted in the long term, that's their business. What you & I do in our private lives is NONE of their business.

Rationalanimal 8 years, 4 months ago

werekoala:

You won't believe this, but for other folks that have the ability to look at facts objectively it should be helpful.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy

And things are just so bad in this country. Let's burn the constitution and start over (I have to be careful in saying that because some of you will or have already latched on to that idea).

werekoala 8 years, 4 months ago

Rationalanimal:

"My taxes are way less than they were in the Monica-Bubba soap days"

Bragging about lowering taxes is only a good thing if you can also brag about lowering spending. Otherwise, you're not really cutting taxes, you're just putting them off for later, with interest.

Imagine if you tried to brag that you'd cut the amount you spend on bills each month, by paying them instead with a credit card that you never paid off. You wouldn't actually be cutting what you spent, just putting it off for a day in the future when you'd have to pay more than the original amount.

That'd be stupid to do as an individual, and it's even stupider to do as a government made up of supposedly rational adults.

Oh, and don't get me started on the higher state and local taxes or worsened state and local services that are resulting from more and more of the tax burden being shifted there.

Claiming your taxes went down because you saved $500 on your federal taxes while paying $500 more on you state/local taxes is also ridiculous.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

Rationalanimal:

Same old rhetoric...you assume I want to cut and run, you say the media is liberal-biased, you claim I'm an unpatriotic, ingrate b/c I don't support everything the president does, and finally, you think the terrorists are gaining strenght b/c of my anti-war sentiment.

Is there a Right Wing Radical Course 101 that teaches ya'll to say the same thing no matter what the discussion is?

Firstly, even though I was against the war from the beginning, I do think we need to finish the job and I have faith that our generals and troops will do so...we just need a president who listens to them and to retired generals who, you know, actually fought in wars before.

Secondly, the liberal-biased media is a myth. There is media for all sides. That's why you should pull info from various sources (US and foreign) and try to gather facts. Is Fox and CNN libreral biased? No, and they are two of the biggest media sources in the country. Please stop using this as an argument b/c you discredit yourself every time you use it.

Thirdly, I think it's patriotic to question our government and president when his actions are killing THOUSANDS of people...isn't that a fundamental concept of our country? Did democrats ever play that card when ya'll were impeaching Clinton? Nope.

Finally, I highly doubt the insurgents in Iraq are reading up on the ljworld discussion boards to gain strength in their insurgence. I think they have all the fuel they need in their backyard.

werekoala 8 years, 4 months ago

Rationalanimal:

"and if you liberals would stop this ridicilous defeatist anti-American rhetoric across the world (I know, its good for your own selfish political agenda), we could clean up in the middle east. Instead, your rhetoric that American troops are murderers, rapists and torturerers emboldens our enemies and gives them hope that the dissent in the American people makes us weak. "

Up to here, you're acting like an extremist twit who thinks any disagreement with the White House talking points equals a desire to elect bin Ladin as president.

"Your rhetoric kills American soldiers."

This is where, in all seriousness you go too far. Hajjis with bombs and guns kill our troops. I don't, I just, in very essence of the American spirit, voice my opinion about my government's policies (which, by the way, is "let's not get these brave young men killed unnecessarily").

And you, with your tyrannical desire to silence dissent, YOU have the mother-loving nerve to call me a traitor?

Seriously. You were deeply and truly and deeply wrong. You need to apologize, in public, and then never go there again.

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

Those who say silence is golden in this day & age, don't come crying to us when something does NOT go your way. Rational, that means U 2!

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

sounds like that will be a good day to go to the boat and stay away from all roads and just chill out.

Tychoman 8 years, 4 months ago

Republicans: A. Attack, hate, bad ideas B. Take control C. Gridlock D. Screw America like it's never been screwed before E. Blame the resulting screw-job on Democrats.

My roommate and I are considering boycotting the entire city of Topeka for this.

Shelby 8 years, 4 months ago

Uh, not that I want to defend the rabid bush-supporters on here, but there are countless, COUNTLESS examples of CNN's liberal bias, even from today.

Ask for them and you shall receive.

Roadkill_Rob 8 years, 4 months ago

don_burgess - Thanks! I'm glad there are real rational people out there.

shelby - Please elaborate on examples of CNN liberal bias. I only see CNN play on the fear mongering and not ask the hard questions when presented an opportunity. I don't think it's blatantly slandered like Fox, but I don't see the liberal bias of it at all.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

JUst a little more on that old argument on "there were no WMD in Iraq, and they were not close to Nukes."

"http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/03/news/weapons.php"

prairiepollyana 8 years, 4 months ago

Posted by werekoala (anonymous) on November 3, 2006 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Patriotman:

Might be Ryun had something to do with the relocation of the big red 1, but that's based on a lot of factors and ultimately the decision of the Pentagon. But to suggest we've been adequately bribed and should now not question our brilliant congressman? That's ridiculous.

Put it another way. Because of Ryun and his party's the willingness to stand by idley as jobs are exported overseas and small towns shut down, we'll never know how many more jobs could have been saved or created during his term.

werekoala, I thought NAFTA was a "gift" that we were all to enjoy endorsed and celebrated by the democratic party...namely Bill Clinton in his first term. It was predicted by the republican party that jobs would be exported. Argued by the democrats that foreign companies would establish themselves in the United States...so far, only a few have...when I think of NAFTA...I think of Clinton...blaming the republicans on this issue is just plain wrong...

Richard Heckler 8 years, 4 months ago

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LONDON (Reuters) - The United States is seen as a threat to world peace by its closest neighbors and allies, with Britons saying President George W. Bush poses a greater danger than North Korea's Kim Jong-il, a survey found on Friday.

A majority of people quizzed in three out of four countries polled also rejected the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The findings came just days before the U.S. mid-term congressional elections, with a growing number of U.S. voters wanting their troops in Iraq to be brought home.

Britain's Guardian newspaper said it carried out the survey along with Israel's Haaretz, La Presse and Toronto Star in Canada and Mexico's Reforma.

In Britain, which alongside Israel is traditionally a close Washington ally, 69 percent of those questioned said they felt U.S. policy had made the world less safe since 2001.

A majority of Canadians and Mexicans agreed, with 62 percent of those polled in Canada and 57 percent in Mexico saying their neighbor's policy had made the world more dangerous.

As for Israel, just 25 percent of people asked said Bush had made the world safer, while 36 percent felt he had upped the risk of conflict and a further 30 percent said at best he had made no difference.

Israelis alone were in favor of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, with 59 percent for the war and 34 percent against.

The ratio was starkly different in the three other nations.

Some 89 percent of Mexicans felt the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein was unjustified, as did 73 percent of Canadians and 71 percent of Britons, the survey said.

The perceived failings of U.S. foreign policy placed Bush alongside al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, North Korean leader Kim Jong-il and Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a cause of global anxiety, it said.

North Korea's nuclear test last month drew worldwide condemnation, while Western powers are trying to force Iran to scale back atomic work they fear may be used to make bombs. Iran says its aims are purely peaceful.

Asked whether they thought the U.S. leader was a great or moderate danger to peace, 75 percent of British people said yes. Some 87 percent felt the same about bin Laden, while Kim scored 69 percent and Ahmadinejad clocked 62 percent.

Just 23 percent of Israelis said Bush he represented a serious danger, with 61 percent disagreeing.

ICM interviewed 1,010 adults from October 27-30 in Britain. Professional local opinion polling was used in the other three countries, the Guardian said. In Israel, 1,078 people were asked, 1,007 were quizzed in Canada and 1,010 in Mexico.

werekoala 8 years, 4 months ago

prairiepollyana:

Which is why in 6 years of Republican-dominated politics, NAFTA's been mentioned how many times?

Oh, Clinton screwed us too, don't get me started. He was in bed with china too much for my liking on a lot of issues. But it was a bi-partisan screwing. It's a good rule of thumb that when something is really bi-partisan, it's either absolutely essential, or, more likely, we the people are getting more shafted than usual.

The only person I really remember saying it was a bad idea was Ross Perot.

Regardless, the trend has not been greeted with alarm (why should it?) The upper class is going to be fine, it's we the people who are being asked to do more and more with less and less (see: productivity at record levels while wages remain stagnant).

I have some hope that the more populist, centrist members of the democratic party may emerge to reverse this trend. Of course, I thought the same thing about the Republican Revolution of 1994. (What happened to the "Contract with America" anyway?).

We'll see...

prairiepollyana 8 years, 4 months ago

werekaola... I believe that both parties are in bed with NAFTA and until campaign contributions can be outlawed, nothing will change in ANY party...why should it when power is in play and most special interest groups profit when "their" guy is in congress or the white house?No environmental rules and cheap labor...I guess that is what we in America have to promise to get the companies back....

rhd99 8 years, 4 months ago

The fact that Bush allowed nuclear info on the net: hmm, IMPEACHMENT if the Democrats take control? What did Bush say, if he caught anyone lying or divulging secretive information, they'd be fired? Tag, Mr. President, YOU'RE IT! You are the WEAKEST LINK! Bye BYE!

BOE 8 years, 4 months ago

by prairiepollyana on November 3, 2006 at 4 p.m

" I thought NAFTA was a "gift" that we were all to enjoy endorsed and celebrated by the democratic party...namely Bill Clinton in his first term. It was predicted by the republican party that jobs would be exported. Argued by the democrats that foreign companies would establish themselves in the United States...so far, only a few have...when I think of NAFTA...I think of Clinton...blaming the republicans on this issue is just plain wrong... "

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Well..........

Perot's the one that called it a "giant sucking sound" of jobs leaving the US, so he was the one doing most of the squawking about it, but aside from Perot, it was the Dems doing most of the complaining.

Bush 41 and Canada's Mulroney had started the ball rolling years earlier to expand the US-Canada trade agreement and the NAFTA treaty was negotiated during Bush 41's term. Bush even held some kind of initialing ceremony in Oct '92 before the election so he could claim credit for it. Legacy, ya know? ;)

Clinton certainly championed it and items were altered to get enough holdouts on board to pass it, but three-quarters of Repubs voted for it.

Less than half of Dems did.

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HOUSE VOTE

___ AYES _NOES REPUBLICAN 132 43

DEMOCRATIC __102
156
INDEPENDENT

TOTALS
234 200

39.5% dems voted for it 102 of 258 75.0% reps voted for it 132 of 175

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SENATE VOTE

____YEAs_NAYs REPUBLICAN _34 _10 DEMOCRATIC 27 _28 Vote Counts: 61 _38__Not Voting 1

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SENATE VOTE 49.1% dems voted for it 27 of 55 77.2% reps voted for it 34 of 44

HOUSE

435 Members Party Divisions: 176 Republicans, 258 Democrats, 1 Independent

SENATE

Party Divisions: 44 Republicans, 56 Democrats

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from The Washington Post, Oct(?)'93

" Tuesday, six former secretaries of the treasury, five former secretaries of state, eight Nobel Prize winners in economics, several former trade representatives and national security advisers and dozens of others will appear in the East Room of the White House to add their votes of support. "

Porter 8 years, 4 months ago

BOE- Notice how quiet it gets around here when the facts come out?

Good post. Thanks for the info!

KsTwister 8 years, 4 months ago

Nice BOE, I remember it all too well,mostly because I am reminded every time Corporate America sends our goods and jobs overseas. Now a 8.5 trillion dollar debt with a President that promises funds,but is willing to put the next President (Rep or Dem or Ind) with trying to come up with the money he promised with a wave of his national checkbook.

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