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You are claiming that the occupy protesters are homeless and panhandlers. Or are you saying that because you need to lie?
I just could not understand your reason.
Go ask them.
Being "just students" might justify their being there. Graduating from a university with student loan debt and nobody hiring is a pretty scary deal. I'm sure there are plenty of people working in fast food who are qualified to do something vastly different and better-paying. You can't "just go get a job" if no job exists.
My son is a senior at KU. He worked during the summer and goes to school full time. Another son works full time at Wally world as an overnight stocker. My other son works full time in apartment maintenance, is married, and has his second child on the way. My daughter works full time as a VISTA volunteer, at a christian agency. I am self-employed. We all have jobs and homes. We all support the Occupy movement.
"The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%)."
I do not like your choices. Peoiple have an absolute right to protest. We also have laws to protect common property from abuse by a small minority. Protest away but within the law.
Sleeping in public as a political statement is speech. As such it is protected under the first amendment in some cases.
Dahlia Lithwick at Slate.com wrote:
"The case law on sleeping and protesting is both fascinating and hilarious. The most important case Dunn identifies is Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, a 1984 decision from the Supreme Court about advocates for the homeless who were protesting (and sleeping outdoors) in Lafayette Park, across from the White House, and on the National Mall. The issue for the court was whether denying permits to sleep overnight as part of the protest violated the First Amendment. The court said it was OK to prohibit sleeping. At the same time, it conceded that “overnight sleeping in connection with the demonstration is expressive conduct protected to some extent by the First Amendment.” It then got itself out of this legal and logical dead end by finding that the rule barring overnight protests was constitutional because it “narrowly focuses on the Government's substantial interest in maintaining the parks in the heart of our Capital in an attractive and intact condition, readily available to the millions of people who wish to see and enjoy them by their presence.”
Applying Clark to Zuccotti Park, as Dunn says, will involve balancing how the rules governing this particular space square with the First Amendment. For folks contemplating protesting, either in Manhattan or in your hometowns, Clark offers limited guidance: Mats are probably better than sleeping bags, which are better than tents. In general, you don’t want to do anything that looks like you are blocking sidewalks or roads. And take a lesson from the protesters at Zuccotti Park: If the city says you are being dangerously unhygienic, clean up."
Full Article Here: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/10/rules_of_occupation_how_not_to_get_arrested_at_the_ows_protest_i.single.html
If we define sleeping as speech where does that end. Is running free speech? Is driving your car around free speech? Is boycotting somebody's home free speech? Is closing down KU free speech? Is shooting somebody free speech?
Where is the line?
That is why we have courts, to try and adjudicate the line,
Can you yell "fire" in a crowded theater? Nope.
Can you donate millions of dollars in unregulated money to "issue groups" to run ads against or for candidates? Yep. Can you do it anonymously? Yep.
Maybe we need to change the location of the line.
If we can not regulate sleeping in a public park because you agree with the message of the "sleepers" may the tea party set up an around the clock "tea party" in the park complete with bags of money, cannon fire and indians (native americans) throwing it away??
The courts have long ruled on the right of a municipality to regulate "sleeping" in the common parks (conflicting rights)
why are they protesting now instead of 2-3 years ago? where have these people been? why aren't they in front of the white house protesting?
do they need a permit to camp downtown?
Hey, tell me where you want to meet? If it makes sense, I will bring my sign and stand with you. NOW.
You are correct that this should have started with the first bailout in October, 2008, before the current president was elected. There are many things that should have been resisted from 2001-2009.
Lest folks forget . . . the current president supported the 2008 bailouts.
Lest you forget, it was the previous president who started the bailouts...and sunk the economy. Republicans seem to have expected Obama to have magically fixed the economy instantaneously. It's a lot easier to destroy something than to repair it. It takes a lot more work and time to repair something than it does to destroy it.
The OWS statement "While we encourage the participation of autonomous working groups, no single person or group has the authority to make demands on behalf of general assemblies around the world.
We are our demands. This #ows movement is about empowering communities to form their own general assemblies, to fight back against the tyranny of the 1%." make sense to me.
If you did it as a protest it might be allowed.
It might not.
Power always flows to those who stand up. Are you standing up?
Expressing your constitutional right to free speech = malcontents and anarchists.
has the stench started there too yet?
Rush, you forgot: defecating in public, violence, many arrests (which they sought to have happen), Ravers, free condoms in a box, hookups, etc.
these need to get a clue: Obama received huge amounts from Wall Street, and his initial office positions were thoroughly marinated with Goldman Sachs drones.
are the locals as virulently antisemetic as the new york protestors?
someof them want to have wealthy people branded with tatoos, and have their names published.
kinda sounds like a certain German regime in history that required another group to wear yellow Stars of David.
Nazi reference -1,000 pts. Automatic loss of argument.
I am not sure why I respond to you as you are such a bad liar, you just make it up as you go or repeat what someone told you to say, either way, honesty and thought and reason clearly escape you, but I just get so tired of you telling lie after lie after lie.
some facts to demonstrate how far from reality you are include the fact that the anti-Semitic protesters were asked to separate from the Occupy protesters, occupy protesters quickly surrounded those who refused to leave and held signs making sure that those nearby knew that they were NOT considered a part of the occupy protesters. Nearly a thousand occupy protesters participated in Jewish prayer services and one contingency of protesters stopped protesting for half a day because they did not want to interfere with a Jewish holey ceremony.
The fact that you sort of just decided not to mention the facts around your protesters is a clear demonstration that you have nothing of value to add here. You are a bold faced liar lacking honor and integrity and that tells me exactly everything I need to know about your legitimacy in this discussion.
Come on BG. You don't really believe all that crap do you? Step away from Faux Noise for 10 minutes. You'll be glad you did.
The reason you are lying about the protesters is because that is the best you got to bring to the table. You might as well just drool.
We can do number 2 in the streets now without getting busted? Cool!
Yes, that's protected because it's a form of speech.
It's called talking out of your other end.
Or something like that.
you know....at least they show up to protest....what happened when the tealicans
couldn't move the trailer park to the Woodlands for a tea party rally not long ago?
So much for "ask not what your country can do for you"...
Lots of men and women in uniform who are coming home from war to a nation without jobs for them feel the same as these protesters.
The concentration of wealth in this country has gotten out of hand and needs to be addressed.
The founding fathers fought against aristocracy, we do not need or want it here in America.
Many of these protesters are making sacrifices to speak their minds. We should all respect their right to do so.
A lot of service families need people to stand with them. Their men and women haven't made it home yet.
Great talking point. Care to elaborate? In what way has any person in the occupy movement proposed "taking money from those that legally earned it and giving it to those that did not?" Please source your response. Thank you.
"The concentration of wealth in this country has gotten out of hand and needs to be addressed."
Yup. It's all a big conspiracy. There's a finite amount of wealth out there, no one should ever rise above others 'cuz everyone's the same, no one actually succeeds or excels but if they do it's because of everyone else that ever lived.
Protest when and if you feel the strong need to do so. Just make sure you know what needs be addressed when you do.
The issue of extreme concentration of wealth does need to be addressed. ljwhirled was very clear about that.
Your response was simply an extreme method of addressing the issue. Not the same thing.
Perhaps you ought to take your own advice?
Actually, these protesters are doing something for their country. 1) Showing that everyday citizens still have the power to shape the national discussion, outside of the mainstream media. 2) Showing that you don't need a politician, like Obama or Bush, to shape our national politics. 3) Raising awareness that without taxing the obscenely rich or ending our endless wars, the US is on the path to self-destruction.
If you don't believe that a group of concerned citizens using the right of free speech and assembly makes our nation stronger, perhaps consider moving to North Korea or someplace where dissent is impossible and you might feel more comfortable.
I'm all for people protesting what they believe in. But what are these protests for? All the great protests of the past have had a specific platform that they called for. This protest makes no sense to me. Tax the obscenely rich? Why? What did they do to deserve to pay higher taxes? Be successful? Are your cheap chinese clothes, shoes, and apple products too expensive for you? I just want to know what they're protesting.
Well, most Americans disagree with the usual gang of negative nattering nabobs on this forum:
including this Marine Iraqi veteran:
If you look at the link, you will find a number of polls on the subject.
criminals in congress might as well just pass a tax
That goes straight from my paycheck all the way to Goldman Sachs
The fats are getting rich, the rest of us are hurtin',
Hell our last vice president came straight from Halliburton
You can use your billy clubs, tear gas, or mace
But my arse was already kicked by JP Morgan Chase
It was homicide by Countrywide and Angelo Mozilo
Citigroup and Boeing made us all bite the pillow
Exxon Mobil Wells Fargo pay no income tax
But nobody goes to prison for the min much less the max
AIG and BofA they brought us to our knees
While General Electric shipped their jobs overseas
(Smash It Grab It OCCUPY...the video!)
New Yorkers overwhelmingly support the movement: "Sixty-seven percent of New York City voters said they agree with the protesters’ views, while 23 percent don’t, the school’s Polling Institute said today. Support ranged from 81 percent among registered Democrats to 58 percent among independents and 35 percent from Republicans. By 72 percent to 24 percent, voters said law-abiding demonstrators can stay as long as they want. "
To all who are protesting due to lack of employment: if you are unemployed and are serious about finding a job, the state of Alabama needs workers to fill the jobs that have been abandoned by illegal migrant workers as a result of recent state legislature.
Will you be paying for transportation for people to get there? How about utility and rent deposits?
Agricultural work. Not for everyone.
Also: not really a job that enables you to pay of $65,000 in student loans.
Also Also: not really a job with a future.
Horrible advise. Telling people there are jobs in Alabama, Most economic projections are the bizarre local remedy on immigration will further stress and tank the Alabama economy.
Perhaps you ought to strike 'criticize spelling' from your repertoire?
The longer these aimless brats continue with their protests, the longer voting Americans will have to see the true face of liberal / progressive insanity. Do the country a favor and bring them a happy meal and a pillow. Encourage them. It’s very unlikely, but we need to keep them out there past the first hard freeze.
Inside of this happy-place little bubble of baseless idealism they live in is a bizarre set of assumptions about our society. I would say their expectations are some kind of birthright they have to do absolutely nothing to deserve, but the only prerequisite the flea-baggers have is to be physically located in America. Being conscious is optional. Their attitude broadcasts the liberal narrative that most Americans are victims of this or that sinister elite, and aren't competent to cope with life's complexities without government supervision. They are deranged by the entitlement mentality, fostered by the ever-larger welfare state America has built. These bed-wetters have such low pain thresholds that suffering is defined by as a slow internet connection. These insipid children are a splendid example of the kind of thinking that has put our country into the deep, dark hole we are in. The longer we’re able to keep them out there transmitting this message, the better.
So are you for us or against us?? Oh, and just so you know, I'm not an insipid child. I'm a 57-year-old woman, college educated, and fully aware of what has happened to put us in this economic downturn. If you'd care to discuss what the Occupy Movement is all about, I invite you to come down to South Park. We may decide we disagree, and that's okay. But do not call us "aimless brats", "flee-baggers", "bed-wetters", and "insipid children" without finding out the truth. It's just mean-spirited. Please come and find out the truth of our movement. Become informed. You may just find we have more in common than you think.
Finding out the truth? Hows this:
The largest banks are larger today than when Obama took office and are returning to the level of profits they were making before the depths of the financial crisis in 2008, according to government data.
Wall Street firms — either independent companies or the high-flying trading arms of banks — are doing even better. They’ve made more profit in the first 2 1 / 2 years of the Obama administration than they did during the entire Bush administration, industry data show.
Since Obama became president, the largest, $100 billion-plus banks, which were at the center of the financial crisis, have grown in size by 10 percent.
So I guess that means you and the rest of the flea-baggers won't be voting for Mr. Obama - right Carp? Funny thing, I haven't seen a single anti-Obama sign down there at the park. I thought you guys were upset with the banks?
Ron Paul-Dennis Kucinich 2012? http://i.imgur.com/t1onp.jpg
Herman Cain --- Marco Rubio 2012.
Scarlett Johansson -- Christina Hendricks...wait, that is from a different list
Cain --- Able 3760 BC
Bill Self for Federal Reserve Chairman
Hippies tend to live in clusters.
Glock owners tend to shoot things; their own feet for example...
I support them like I would the phelps klan. More power to them.
The conservatives are scared. Interesting.
well their economic fantasy, giving more money to their money gods will trickle down to the congregation is proving to be a false religion. Very scary, people standing up for themselves rather than kowtowing to the rich. Where is it going? What do they want? Jobs. fair taxation, protection of infrastructure rather than watching generations of work sold on the block for a fast buck for the few. Jobs, homes NOT graft and mansions.
It would appear most of those protesting didn't have anything before all this went down. I'd be willing to bet they don't have a dime in the stock market.
And just how would you know? Short-sighted of you, actually. Many are folk on retirement so have 401(k) savings that lost a lot of value. Exactly what my protest sign is about (The Invisible Hand of the Free Market Touched Me in a Bad Place! - come see it Saturday). My feeling that my 401(k) was raped due to the malfeasance of the corporate oligarchy. I have other complaints as well. There are those of us with jobs who work for less and less every year while the CEO's inflate their salaries and brag about profits - all while chipping away at my benefits. We have homes and cars and retirement plans, too, and we can't take it getting any worse!!
I'll take you up on that bet! How much you willing to wager?
How about a $100 donation to the winner's designated 501 (c)(3) charitable organization? I designate the Recovery and Hope Network (RAHN), Inc. here in Lawrence. Who's your choice?
What do they want? I guess they want everyone to open their pocketbooks and just give them some money because they are too stupid to figure out how to get a job.
Who says they don't have jobs? Did you actually talk to them? Or is this just an ad hominem attack?
I am sorry you aren't allowed to do that. If you want to protest the existence of the poor and the existence of the very rich. I wish you lived in a country that would allow you to stand up, with a sign, and legally express your opinion. You should come back to the states.
LOL. You can call it "occupy trailer park".
The average Social Security benefit is about $1000. Many of the 47% who do not pay "federal" income taxes may be SS recipients getting about $12,000/yr.
Sounds ok to me.
Okay, now try to live on that. By live I mean, pay rent or a mortgage, the electric company, the gas company, the phone company, and the city for water, sewer, and garbage removal. And then there is food and clothing. If you have some to take a medical concerns you may have to pay a co-pay for medications and Dr's visits.
That $1000 a month may sound like a lot, but not compared to the cost of everyday living.
That was exactly my point.
I have no problem with folks making that much money not paying federal income taxes - it's not very much money at all.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
and while we're at it, we can protest the much higher rate of tea partiers calling for no government assistance, who gain all of their "income" FROM the government.
In the world today MONEYand STATUS has little to do with the situation of IQ. You must not know how many AMERICAN VETERANS are homeless or the position of the BABY BOOMERS who lost their retirement in the stock market and are not certain of the Social Security standings. Some are VIET NAM era no jobs and benefits taken away for serving our country? DO YOU remember US ? Do you remember we were this YOUTH of the 1960's. I am proud of our people of any age willing to take a stand and get AMERICA back to TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN PEOPLE and making changes for the good and better of our future as a country and future generations!
To the naysayers:
There is a political identity being crafted right now. It's being crafted by the economically powerful. It's being crafted for the conservative base. And it's being put forth relentlessly through conservative media outlets, most notably Fox News of course.
What they are doing, if you'll look closely, is conflating thier own interests with the more common interests of the broader conservative voter base, and calling it a single political identity. They are fully aware that their constituents will defend their core principles vehemently, which is exactly why they are trying to sneak their own interests into the same, indivisible political identity.
They are attempting to protect their privilege, and they are marketing it as your privilege too. Don't buy it.
Instead, try to remember at what point the defense of wall street became became fused with the defense of main street. At what point did multi national corporations get handcuffed to small business?
While the speific goals of the OWS movement remains fairly nebulous, the most overwhelming point of consistency is simply that the influence of coprorate money in public policy is far too great, has been the single biggest contributor to the reckless economic practices that tanked the U.S. and global economies, and that a much higher degree of accountability and oversight must be established to prevent such catastrophes from occurring in the future.
So, naysayers, stop and ask yourself: What is it about this opinion -- the opinion most shared among OWS protesters -- that you disagree?
The powerful economic forces that wish to fuse their own interests with the broader conservative base have declared that any infringement upon them or their economic practices is likewise an infringement upon every American, no matter where you are economically.
Do you believe them? Because personally, I don't buy that line for a second. And the OWS movement is a testament that a significant population of pissed off Americans do not either.
reposting from Treebot
I support the right to protest, and I agree with the sense of unease and even anger at the corporate mobocracy that increasingly governs. But the "occupation" of South Park seems to say little and accomplish nothing about these concerns. So I would have to say, "no."
"Small world....Small MIND"! RE: "Hippies live in clusters"? Please define "HIPPIE"?
I think the most common trait of the various "hippie" groups involved with OWS would be their tendency to be socialist revolutionaries.
"Hippie" has become very nebulous in meaning, and it's definition is generally found in the context and not in the actual word.
"Hippie" is used much the same way the "liberal" now is. It has practically no meaning other than that the user intends it as some sort of derogatory term.
I suppose they aren't desperate enough yet to spend the money to relocate for a temporary job that is physically strenuous and pays starvation wages.
Protest a direct result of our Government not acting in the interest of the public; too many politicians tied to big money and the Wall Street debacle. Public beginning to realize that demonstrations such as these may (can) cause some movement to action. For too long the American populace has been complacent in allowing monetary and fiscal policies to fester resulting in a diminished middle class caused by the fallacy of Reagan style "trickle down" economics, less purchasing power and job stagnation. To believe that business is so altruistic as to be concerned with the benefit of our society as a whole is fallacious; greed, ego and the need to accumulate wealth are the driving factors.
As a Vietnam Veteran, I am encouraged to see more public demonstrations against poor government policy and action. After all, it was this kind of action by a caring public that caused a rethinking of our Vietnam policy and our ultimate withdrawal from that debacle.
Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern.
You know, I'd swear that I saw this very same post on another thread of this award-winning website today.
So you've had ample opportunity to read it and reply to the substance of the article, rather than just celebrating your own wart-on-buttness.
Stop the war on poverty. Stop the war on drugs. Stop the war overseas. Stop the war on terrorist. Stop the wars. Give peace a chance. Just thought I would join the protests.
GO SOMEWHERE THAT MATTTERS!!! Your voice will never be heard in Lawrence. You are wasting your time!
looks like you heard. Lawrence matters.
Why on earth do you bring up communism? I haven't heard anyone (except for people like you complaining about the protests) talk or advocate for any sort of communist alternative.
Apparently folks like you just throw words like "communism" around just because it's scary...not because it's pertinent.
Stand with Occupy Wall Street
Not a single banker has gone to jail for crimes that led to the financial meltdown.
Sign The Petition
Another thought that I don't think has been addressed. We don't have jobs available for the approximately 15% either looking for work or have given up looking for work. But, we continue to purchase goods made outside of the United States. Our middle class were the people employed in manufacturing. I believe the number of goods manufactured in the US that are purchased in the US is now below ten percent. Step up and pay that extra cost for
American goods. Get our jobs back. As more automation and importing occur we will continue to have high or higher unemployment. And the entitilement generation will continue to grow. (There are many jobs available now...check kansasworks.com )
You have it backwards. Over 90% of the US economy is still entirely domestic. The FDI Index is still at or below 10%.
Are we confusing the medium with the message?
I am on record with my abhorrence of the distribution of wealth in this country. I feel “Wall Street” took us to the cleaners. The decision as implemented to compete the American worker with low income people around the word is IMHO criminal.
That said there are ordinances against sleeping in our parks. If we ignore them we open the door to charges of selective enforcement and a potential inability to enforce them at all.
Because some feel that the protest is a glorious demonstration of democracy does not remove us form the “rule of law”. Otherwise the rule of the jungle applies!! Guns anyone?
Moderate, You are a product of the 60's. Reminisce.
I am. I remember what started out in good humor ended up with dead kids. Progress can be made without hurting the innocent
Some kids were extreme, but many of us just remained very aware of what's happening around us. We have become constructive activists.
The key word is constructive. Protest for protest sake is noit constructive. Not only should the goals be stated but the emans to attain them.
The focus of the demonstrations in the sixties initially was the war.. Another focus was civil rights. Both issues were supported by the quiet majority. Landmark progress was made.
I'm hoping these folks will make a determined effort to study and support candidates, then vote!
Can't the male turkeys just be happy that their sex drives are up and have at it( you would think the female turkeys would be happy about this)?
Sex it up, turkeys!!!
November 3, 2011 – Washington, DC
National Nurses United International Day of Action: Make Wall Street Pay
As the leaders of the G-20 nations meet in France November 3, 2011 to address the global economic crisis, join with nurses, consumer advocates and union allies as part of actions around the world to send a message from Main Street: Wall Street must pay for the devastation they’ve caused to our communities.
A Wall Street Financial Transaction Tax (FTT) can raise $350 billion per year in the U.S. to provide living wage jobs, guaranteed healthcare, a secure retirement for all, quality public education, good housing and protection from hunger. European workers want the benefits of the FTT in their own countries as well.
November 3, 2011, we will tell Congress and economic policy makers in Washington: Tax Wall Street.
Thursday, November 3, 2011
11:30 am — Lafayette Square
3:00 pm — Lobby on Capitol Hill
Looks like the 99% is actually the 42%.
Seize the time! Occupy everything, demand and fight for everything!
Statement by the Bail Out the People Movement in support of students and activists in Denver Colorado who are embarking on an occupation of the largest university campus in the state.
Bail Out the People Movement, like many others, is inspired by the tremendous movement that has been unleashed around the country. The occupation movement has captured the imagination of so many who have been suffering under the conditions of a system that is in a deep and intractable crisis. BOPM salutes the achievements of the Occupy Wall Street Movement. This movement must not and cannot be stopped.
Of course, the Occupy Wall Street Movement is not perfect; no movement is. Clearly, this movement will not be able to realize its full revolutionary potential unless the most thoughtful and serious activists within its ranks struggle to overcome any and all barriers to the movements full union with communities of color, and those who because of race, religion, gender or class bear the brunt of inequality and oppression.
Activists in communities of color and others have taken on the task of developing consciousness and using the space opened up to help bring about such a full union.
We stand with all people struggling and fighting and say continue forward. Seize the time! Occupy everything, demand and fight for everything!
Occupy everything? Cool, does that include your house?
Post your address, merrill. I need to find a place for the lemurs to occupy while they're going through the fall rut.
Personally, I am going to occupy to protest the harmful effects of carbon emissions from gasoline powered mowers.
My lawnboy two stroke mowers enjoy your protest. And I love the sweet smell of 2 stroke gas/oil mix wafting through the air.
I usually don't recommend drugs, but there is medicine that might help you not be so crushingly boring. Your personal comments are snap boring. There I got to use the new phrase, Snap boring, meaning empty of content, repetitive and impotent of pride.
Back to the question that was asked. " Do you support the Occupy Lawrence protesters in South Park?".
Answer: Unfortunately yes. Those of us with jobs support them financially.
At least the hobos don't have to trek down to the river for a few days. Enjoy the stench losers.
But you didn't just want to take over the park. You wanted to take over and close Mass. Street, too. Surely you didn't forget that pertinent little fact.
If you can't beat 'em, mischaracterize 'em. Pretend the message is unclear. Today, the radio liars trotted out the notion that one third of the movement wants to get violent. The ever-shrinking number of ditto-heads have been led to believe that the movement is just a bunch of unorganized, confused rich, poor, white, not-white, young, old people with a specific agenda to destroy who-knows-what. Dear Haters, Corporate money corrupts our politics. Think about that, and then keep thinking. This is no time to pretend to be stupid.
You need to take merrill aside & talk to him about that fighting business. He might lead some misguides yutes into mischief.
Yes I do, Keep up the fight. I will be right there with you guys once I get a day to do so.
It is inevitable that prolonged periods of high unemployment will result in social unrest and protesting. We are at a point where there are fewer opportunities for indiviuals than there has been in a long time. Pre WWII. It does not matter if you are in college or 50 years old and recently laid off. There are fewer opportunities.
We've allowed our systems, politcs, institutions whatever you call them, into something that is generating more losers than winners. Greed seems to be at the core of it. So yeah, I'm ticked, but I just don't know that Wall-Street is worthy of the entire blame. The protests seem mis-directed, but I understand and share some of the sentiment. Same goes for the Tea-Party, but I just can't identify with them or agree with them on much.
Man, it does not seem like too long ago when the Jonses had two SUV's in the garage.
Applying Clark to Zuccotti Park, as Dunn says, will involve balancing how the rules governing this particular space square with the First Amendment. For
folks contemplating protesting, either in Manhattan or in your hometowns, Clark offers limited guidance: Mats are probably better than sleeping bags, which
are better than tents. In general, you don’t want to do anything that looks like you are blocking sidewalks or roads. And take a lesson from the protesters
at Zuccotti Park: If the city says you are being dangerously unhygienic, clean up."
---it is wrong to apply that ruling to the activity in Zuccotti park, because it is private property. big difference.
however, it does apply to South Park.
I should not have to worry about the occuhippies (neohippies/paleohippies/anarchists) if I wish to go to a park which is held in public hands for my use.
85% of the ny occuhippies have jobs.
their protest is silly for that reason alone.
and I do have the freedom of speech to criticize them.
And people like you. Don't forget people like you!
Why? No one of political, social or media influence gives a rat's tookas what you or I post online. It has no real presence, impact or inherent longevity, however they are sure as heck paying attention to the protests, as are you.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.
These grievances are not all-inclusive.
Declaration of Occupations
Wow. Who is they??
"We have met the enemy, and he is us." - Pogo
That line has been in my thoughts a lot lately
Though I don’t stand with the so-called 99-percenters, I’m not completely ignorant of their “occupy” movement. I know enough not to stand down-wind of the camp, for one thing. I am happy for them and really hope the campers manage to stick it out through the winter. I think what they are doing is quite useful. A sitting President in an alliance of anarchists, for example, is quite instructive for the electorate. A collection of statists, demanding more and more total government control of every aspect of life, provided of course said government respects the fundamental human right to apathy and sloth. What the flea-baggers make clear is they wish to see a breakdown in basic, civil order such that it permits them to loot what may be left of the country’s productive class. I see them as an alliance of all those societal interest groups, who to one degree or another, wish to enjoy the sort of life they are not willing to work for and earn. At least criminals are upfront about this desire.
"A Marxist ... logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."
Saul Alinsky (1909-1972)
standupspeakout, you lost me with "They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press". I cannot think of an instance in recent times where that has occurred in the U.S.
As for "They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt" What are you talking about?
Please provide some citation.
Here is is: A beautiful 1981 Chevrolet Citation that was only driven by my grandma to church.
I kind of feel like seeing as a lot of us grouped the tea party into the "hick" group, thats just what is happening, except now ALL the protestors must be jobless, lazy jerks. What goes around, comes around, I guess.
no matter if I agree with their points, I would die for this....
“the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
However, I also agree with their points. Runaway power to corporations over individual citizens, especially in government, an unfair tax burden on the middle class due to tax cuts on the wealthy and economic injustice to the poor are all things that weaken this country.
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