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people already go over 75 so whats the point?
And higher. A car passed me once that had to have been going 95-100. I was driving 75 and the car was just a blur as it went by. In about ten seconds he was half a mile a head of me.
Waiting for someone with the time to figure out how fast this person was going if they did actually end up a 1/2 mile ahead of someone going 75mph in 10 seconds!
88 MPH of course.
Silly, speed limits weren't 75 MPH in 1955
1/2 mile in 10 seconds = 1 mile in 20 seconds = 3 miles in 1 minute = 180 m.p.h. + your speed (75 m.p.h.) = the driver was going 255 m.p.h.?
No, he wasn't
Maybe you should re-think driving, if a car going 20-25 mph (relative to you) is a "blur".
Point 8 Mach.
The point is that it's not a "moving" violation unless you exceed the speed limit by more than 10 mph. So, at 70, if you're going 81 you can get a ticket that will go on your record. If the limit is 75, unless you exceed 85 you probably won't even be stopped.
Speed limit is not the issue, enforcement is. Regardless of the posted speed limit on that stretch of road people ignore it. Many K-10 drivers are people who rarely drive under sensible highway conditions; many are just urban drivers that need to move the 20 miles from JoCo. to Lawrence and back for a variety of reasons.
Does that mean along the paved shoulder or in the grass?~)
A question that has bothered me is: why the highway shoulders are paved in JOCO and gravel in Douglas County? The condition changes exactly at the county line. If you are traveling at 70 MPH in Douglas County and slip off into the shoulder, for whatever reason, it's "you've bought the farm"!!!! - somebody better call 911.
Why can't one drive on a gravel road at 70mph? There are 1000's of miles of gravel roads in rural KS. It's commonplace to drive on those at highway speeds if you live/work out there.
There's a difference between driving fast on a gravel road and dropping two tires onto a soft shoulder at 70 or so. Physics or something like that.
Simple... Taxes. The tax rate is slightly higher (used to be incredibly higher, but we've closed the gap) in Johnson County compared to Douglas County. More than that, the allocation of dollars spent on infrastructure is at a higher percentage rate in Johnson. Right or wrong, we spend our dollars more on social programming and public assistance. Once again, this is just a statement and not a condemnation or praise.
They pay more, they get more.
Rush hour traffic could accept slower speed limits. If daily intense enforcement is not part of the package what could is it?
Beyond that enforcing existing laws would be key regarding:
All of the above contribute to K-10 mishaps. Putting more people to work on the K-10 Traffic Control is preferred to spending millions upon millions upon millions on barriers that will not stop deaths. We need the K-10 Traffic Control Team and stiffer fines.
From my observations, #2 & 4 are mostly caused by left-lane campers on K-10. Move over and let traffic flow. And don't pull into the left lane if there is faster traffic coming up right behind you.
I think they are just trying to slow everybody down. Isn't that law enforcements job? Left lane fast, right lane slow. Got it??? Or we can go with this one. Lead, follow, or get your keester out of the way. LOL
It is law in Kansas to stay out of the left lane if you're not overtaking. If you do camp in the left lane then you are a danger as well if not more than those felons doing 10 or 15 over.
Here's a tip for bone-head Kansas drivers:
THE LEFT LANE IS THE PASSING LANE. GET OVER IF SOMEONE IS BEHIND YOU WANTING TO PASS!
ANOTHER THING: BLINKERS! PASS IT ON!
DID ANYONE IN THIS STATE TAKE DRIVERS ED?!?!?
You have only broken the law after being convicted. Presumed innocence or something foolish like that.
I'll speed all I want. And I might well get a ticket. You still need to get your A** in the correct lane if you ARE NOT PASSING SOMEONE!
I think we will find ourselves in perfect agreement there unless there are no cars around and the left lane is smoother. I reserve the right to drive in any lane if I'm not impeding the flow of traffic.
Exactly. I honestly have zero problem if people fly by me doing 80+ mph...as long as they get back into the right lane, while using a turn signal, after doing it. It is the idiots that drive that fast then stay in the left lane with a 30 car gap between myself and the next person that drive me insane. Or the off chance they do get back over, they won't use their signal.
I could go on long rants about people's lack of driving skill/knowledge. :/ Like I (and others) have said, speed is NOT the problem...its people's lack of common courtesy and knowledge of driving.
I agree it is frustrating that it is just impossible to kill them all...too many witnesses.
Hey 4armadillos, Kansas isn't the only place you'll find bone-headed drivers. They're everywhere! But you make a good point. It's not the duty of other drivers to slow people down when they think they're going too fast. Just stay in the right lane unless you need to pass and it will solve a LOT of problems. And blinkers.......blinkers? Driver's ed was a long time ago, and as long as you keep your DL active you don't need to take any more stupid old tests!!!
How in the world do you expect them to use a blinker while they're Facebooking, texting, and eating a cheeseburger? Give a break. They only have two hands and neither of them are touching the steering wheel.
stops4: Your correct about the left lane for passing, the problem with many drivers on K-10 is they interpret that to be the oncoming drivers left lane.
I usually don't drive on it during rush hour or game days, but I think otherwise traffic is pretty light. A lot of these accidents on K-10 have been happening during off peak times.
It's pretty straight and smooth, except there are some pretty bouncy areas adjacent to some of the bridges. There aren't any curves or steep grades that warrant special signs or anything.
There must be twice as many trucks on I-70, and they go 75. They do pay, maybe that keeps them on the road.
I can think of a few places that might less safe and could be lower, like near Noria road, which is already lowered. If I were to pick a place for a zone it would probably be the K-7 interchange. I don't know if there have been any accidents at that location, though, people seem to be aware enough to drive it OK.
Like with all busy 4-lane freeways, during low light conditions and total darkness it is almost impossible to drive with your headlights on high beam. To avoid blinding oncoming traffic, or having oncoming traffic blind you, everybody drives using their headlight low beams.
At 70mph a vehicle running on low beams is virtually running in the dark. The headlights don't let the driver see far enough ahead that he has the ability to stop his vehicle. This is not the best self-preservation situation when our area is habitat to whitetail deer that have a gift for popping out onto the roadway directly in front of you.
So to answer the Question, I say do this the old-fashioned way:
70mph daylight maximum / 60mph night maximum / and a 24-7 55mph zone extending a quarter mile east and west of the K-7 overpass junction, to improve safety there.
Ban the use of cell phones. Recent one car accidents have been during the day. Drivers are not sleepy or intoxicated. And, if single cars are losing control, speed limits should be lower. We need more enforcement, because drivers ignore the laws.
Like the person above, lowering the speed limit won't do anything. People will drive the spied they're most comfortable at either way.
The only way to stop these idiots from rolling their cars and crossing the median is better driver's training. Take responsibilty for your actions, follow the rules and be courteous. Common sense stuff...
*speed. Stupid autocorrect.
Step up enforcement and ban all use of cell phones on the road.
Why can't we take advantage of the "problem" and finally create a light-rail corridor, which can easily be supplemented in Lenexa by re-arranging the JoCo buses into a feeder network? If there is a place for light rail in the 4-state area, this is really a perfect place for it!
it's too hilly. Light rail would have to travel along the river, as BNSF does
Is it cost effective? Honestly, I doubt it. Back in the day, yeah, because most people didn't have cars. Today...the cost of building it would probably not be worth the ridership numbers, to be honest. I don't know for sure, I haven't done a study...get on that ;)
I see left lane campers as the biggest problem. Sure, I speed as a lot of people do. But when I go around people I get back in the right lane. Some people just stay there and think that if they are going the speed limit they are entitled to stay there and "enforce" others to not go faster than they are.
AMEN BRUTUS! YOU GET IT! THANK YOU!
Ban cell phones, smoking, make up, computers, newspapers, coffee, soft drinks, changing clothes, sight seeing, magazines, reports/documents, books and did I say cell phones. These are the things I see people doing or using while driving on K10 on a daily basis.
Slow drivers are as big of a problem as fast drivers on the 10.
Nonsense. Slow drivers do not lose control of their vehicles. The speed limit is a maximum, not a minimum.
Oh that's absolutely ridiculous. To say that "slow" drivers (which is still 60+ on K-10) don't lost control of their vehicles is asinine.
I seriously doubt the little old lady who was driving down the wrong way a few months ago and killed herself was a speedster.
If you are driving much slower than the prevailing flow of traffic you are in actuality a huge hazard. Ask any Highway Patrol officer. If that's the way you drive you are just a chain reaction, multi-car pileup waiting to happen.
Actually it stupid drivers that cause the problem.
squawk ,....u left out sex ..and the auto-bong
Speed is not the issue. Distractions and poorly trained drivers are.
Look at Germany and the Autobahn. While on the Autobahn, you can't have a drink, food, cell phone, etc... No distractions what so ever. You are on it to drive and drive fast.
American's think they need to multi task 24/7. When you're driving, you should focus only on the road.
You are exactly right. You can drive fast and still drive courteously.
Multitasking is the most moronic term in our culture. In every study on multitasking they find we can truly do only one task at a time well. When we multitask we do two or more things poorly. They've studied people who consider themselves great multitaskers and the verdict was these people just don't realize how poorly they perform.
While I don't think the speed needs to be increased I also think lowering it 5-10 miles would do that much of a difference when it comes to safety. Now if we lowered the speed to like 20 miles per hour and required all drivers to drive horse drawn buggies, then maybe there would be some increased safety.
Cell phones need to be banned for one. No matter what anyone thinks, there are dozens of studies that prove that is is unsafe for them to be used, even hands free is dangerous. We existed fine before cell phones, go use a CB if you got to talk to someone.
Also, the speed limit needs to be reduced to I believe 60 is the magic number on fuel efficiency or is it 55. It kills me how so many people are up for fuel efficient cars but yet they allow the speed limit to be raised. Sort of defeats the purpose.. or better yet, install high speed rail and see many auto issues and accidents decline greatly...nah can't do that Americans are too stuck up on their individual rights and greed to consider such a economical and environmental alternative of transport.
The final thing is to crack down and bust the idiots who do speed. I can see allowing people to go up to 4 miles per hour above because the accuracy of a radar gun and that of the speedometer is not a 100 percent.
I agree with what you are sayin gon this one. They reduced the speed to 55 in the 70's 80's to save fuel. Now we have another energy crisis and they raise the Limit. I personally believe they did this to get extra revenues related to gasoline taxes. If you use more fuel... you buy more gas... the state raises more tax money without raising taxes in other ways.
Goooooooo Lightrail !
Light rail would be great, but if you want to seriously consider what it would take for light rail, you should look at terrain maps, like if you go to Google maps, get to the area maybe from OP to Eudora and set the check to terrain.
It is pretty hard to go East <-> West in Johnson County and not go up and down. THat's really not good for light rail, it would make it like a roller coaster.
The trains that run into lawrence come along the river, and the old Interurban Line went on the north side of the Kansas river.
It might be OK to have a light rail from Lawrence to DeSoto and then somehow go south if you can find a route along a stream or creek.
haha thinking about all those ups and downs on a light rail makes me a little sick to my stomach
I agree with the toll road; however not with the pay $50 to drive 100 mph. When you pull your ticket it is timed stamped if you arrive at your exit point and the time stamp determines you were speeding you should be directed to a ticketing point to the side. If you have to wait an hour or two for the one or two officers to issue your citation too bad! You were speeding and putting the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS in harms way. Perhaps the steep fine in combination with the wait time will retrain you do the posted speed limit.
The speed limit is not the problem right now.
It is lack of enforcement of the existing laws and a lack of focus by drivers who are not being careful and responsible.
Why do we always end up arguing about the speed limit?
Speeding is not being careful or responsible.
I don't entirely feel it needs to be reduced; it does need to be strictly enforced.
You are right. The speed limit is not the problem drivers who are recklessly are the problem. That includes distractions and speeding.
Nobody smart enough out there to drive the speed limit anyway no matter what it is. We could not afford to pay enough officers to enforce it what ever it is you would have to have one sitting every mile marker and then I'm not so sure.
If you do and I obey it I will be run over by the hoard going 80.
So when are they going to develop a radar gun for texting? Hey wait that's my million dollar idea! Forget what I just said!
It does seem to me if people speed with the limit at 70 they will probably be speeding more if it is dropped back to 65 or 55. If they raised it to 75 I wonder how much people would change? People usually drive a a speed they are comfortable at. People that drive 80+ would still probably drive 80+, which is generally too fast for safety of course but it's hard to stop that.
K-10 is the main road a lot of people in Lawrence use. If we didn't have wrecks on K-10 we'd have them somewhere else. Somebody gets on the wrong ramp at 3:00 am, what can you do to stop them?
If we didn't have K-10 the culprits would be out on some other road. And don't forget there are plenty of wrecks on 59. I would think the new road will to Ottawa will reduce accidents, but they might start having crossover and wrong way accidents there too, when it's all four lane.
There is some down side to lowering speed limits. With the pipeline moving a little slower cars will naturally bunch a little closer together.
Idgaf what the speed limit is, but the problem is enforcement. Imo left lane lollygaggers cause the most danger. Seriously every time I drive K10 there's a t least one car that refuses/or is oblivious to the fact that I'm behind them, in the left lane, going a reasonable speed limit, wanting to pass their slow ***
Unless you are going the speed limit you are not going a reasonable speed!!!
What about if I am passing, just not as fast as you want me to pass? Get off my ass and I will pass in my own time. I do not have to speed up to pass someone just because you are wanting to go faster.
no, it is not the speed limit that causes accidents, people driving 50 on K-10 will cause more problems than drivers going 85. Also, if you are not passing someone, then get the heck out of the left lane. And sort of pay attention to others on the road, you are not the only one out there.
I agree with the people going 50 but not with people going 85. Go the posted speed limit!!!
Why is the accident rate on the Autobahn less than that of American highways?
You people that think that speed is the problem just don't understand what causes accidents.
True but when they have one there could be 200 are more cars involved because they can't get stopped.
! accident US. 2 cars per 1 accident Autobahn 200 cars per accident rate lower you can do anything with numbers you want .
Traffic zooms by on the German autobahn at 120 mph. The speed-limitless highway system stretches 6,800 miles and the Federal Ministry of Transport has declared the autobahn to be one of the safest road systems in the world despite the roaring, high speeds. US highways, on the other hand, rank as one of the most dangerous where speed limits range from 55 to 75 mph. Strict laws are believed to be the prominent reason the autobahn is safer than US highways.
Drivers follow strict autobahn laws. Laws prohibit stopping on the autobahn. Regardless if children are misbehaving, a pair of sunglasses flew out the window or if a vehicle runs out of gas, there is no excuse to stop as these are considered avoidable
Germans take driving seriously and consider it a privilege. It is a big undertaking to receive a driver’s license in Germany. All Travel Germany.com states that the minimum driving age in Germany is 17. It costs over $2,000 for a license after an extensive 25 to 45 hours of professional instruction and 12 hours of theory. On the other side of the pond, a 15-year-old in New Mexico can receive a learner’s permit and enroll in a free driver’s education program through a local school, according to the State of New Mexico website. Most states require drivers to be 16 years old before they can sit behind the wheel of a vehicle.
If americans could see their driving as a privilege and not a right; adhere to strict laws and not be typical american a-holes we could drive these speeds but we do not. We want to act inappropriately and with no regard to anyone else's safety. That is evident by the many who comment on how fast they drive and everyone else should get out of their way.
"Transportation safety has steadily improved in the United States for many decades. Between 1920 and 2000, the rate of fatal automobile accidents per vehicle-mile decreased by a factor of about 17. Except for a pause during the 1960s, progress in reducing fatal accidents has been steady. Safety for other types of U.S. passenger transportation has also improved substantially, but long-term statistical data are not as readily available. While the fatality rate roughly leveled off from 2000 to 2005 at around 1.5 fatalities per 100 million miles traveled, it has resumed a downward trend to 1.27 in 2008."
Lower it and patrol the Hell out of it, we'll turn it into a revenue stream thanks to selfish d-bags that have no regard for the safety of others.
Thank you, jayhawxrok; your check is in the mail!
I wish the KHP and Johnson and Douglas county sheriffs departments would assign all new-hire academy graduating officers to an initial 6-month tour of duty on K-10 Highway, their assignment being to clamp down on equipment and safety violations so tightly that drivers on that highway get turned into Christians, so to speak.
But it's not just that. There's times on K-10 that so many cars are off the roadway from mechanical issues or weather-related problems that it's almost a parking lot out there. Especially in winter storm conditions the public benefits from having snow-rated patrol vehicles running that highway hunting for motorists in distress.
I happen to drive between 80-85 mph most of the time on I-70 and K-10 and I pull a trailer for work about 70% of the time and I have had 1 wreckin 25 years and that was a dear running in front of me. Once again, it is not speed but common sense. Parents are letting their kids drive without properly teaching them the do and donts. I have a 12 year old son and take him out in the country and give him plenty of practice and training. I am guessing he already has better awareness than 3/4's of the idiots on the road who have no idea that anyone else is even on the road. People, look around while you are driving.
If you teach your kid it is ok to drive 80-85 mph you are not teaching them how to properly drive. Driving this speed while pulling a trailer? Another great driving tip dad.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read; we have all lost IQ points for even looking at your post, may god have mercy on your soul.
It ain't the speed limit that's the problem. It's the people who don't understand how to pay attention when behind a 3000+ pound death missle. Eating, phoning, texting, putting on makeup, just being stupid. If the drivers test was harder than a cracker jack puzzle then it might help. But to lower the speed limit? Nah, cars are plenty safe.
i voted yes simply because i can't tow my trailer at that speed. speed away if your vehicle can, just watch out for me in the slow lane ;)
Some idiot this morning was driving between 45-60 in the left lane on K-10. He'd speed up to 60 then brake down to 45. In the left lane. I suspect one of you people.
My dad once suggested a good solution that would cure most traffic problems: Only let a car on the road if it's completely paid for.
My dad also once suggested a good solution. Only let automobiles from American Companies on the road.
Hmmm. My Toyota was built in Tennessee.
It may have been built in Tennessee but it's not an AMERICAN COMPANY! The majority of the revenue created from the sales goes back to the mother country!
Mine was built in California. The origin statements on cars are interesting. Most of the time parts of nearly any "American" car are built in Canada and Mexico. Speed kills, as we see in the paper most days. People need to slow down and/or get up earlier so they can make it to work safely.
porno on cell phones while driving...both hands on the wheel plz..
phone man, I presume you are the idiot driving 65 down K-10 in the left lane. I have never had a ticket or a wreck pulling a trailer and in 2 decades of hauling equipment on a trailer, never lost anything off my trailer. I am guessing you cannot say that even in your little prius. LIke I was saying before and you obviously cant understand. Speed does not cause accidents, it is people who do not pay attention that cause them. And yes, I am gonna teach my kids to be able to drive safely at a higher speed and be able to drive aggressively to be able to maneuver around people like you.
I don't drive a Prius! I do the speed limit and was an equipment operator in the USN. You are and people like you are the problem! You would be the IDIOT sir!
Why is this poll back up? The answer is still no...
We should bring back the national 55 mph until the troops are home.
Troops? What troops?
Driving 55 could save gas in theory, but I don't think the 55 law helped lower US consumption much if at all, because most people didn't really drive 55 anyway, and my car, for example, while it might get better mileage if I was on level ground and didn't vary the speed at all, gets better mileage in real world conditions at 75 rather than 65 (my dash gauge corroborated this)
I would guess this is because it maintains momentum better on hills at a higher speed. If I have to accelerate because of traffic or hills and I'm only going 60, for example, I have to push my foot down quite a bit more, and the MPH indicator on my dash really drops.
My car engine RPM is about 2000 at 60mph in top gear. That means it will make about 2000 revolutions for each mile I drive. Even if I go twice as fast, 4000 RPM, the engine will still make 2000 revolutions for each mile. The fuel consumption thus depends on how far you push the gas pedal, as long as I can stay in top gear.
I use a down hill stretch to gain speed and momentum, then, instead of slowing down, like a cruise control is programmed to do, maintain pedal and speed as you start to climb the next hill. If you use cruise control it will wait until your are going uphill and slowing down before it will apply throttle, which is why RVer's know cruise controls hurt fuel economy when driving in hilly terrain ( practically all of Kansas, except certain routes along rivers and hilltop ridges).
I wonder if a lot of speed related traffic problems are related to cruise control. Don't get out in the left lane to pass a truck and leave it on cruise control. You may need to change speed suddenly and the cruise control will delay your response.
No, people are not going to stop driving fast like others have said, which would create more of a hazard because of the people that did slow down. (including more road rage)
They wouldn't do it anyway because of game day traffic/revenue. It's already an nightmare on those days.
A higher fuel tax would encourage conservation which could mean slower speeds.
And a non-compliment coming from you is, in fact, a compliment.
"Only let automobiles from American Companies on the road." Actually, about two thirds of foreign autos in the U.S. are built in the U.S. by American employees. While our big three auto makers were laying off employees, the foreign auto makers were creating new jobs for Americans.
They may have created a few jobs; however the money from the sales went right back to the home country. If we didn't buy their junk US auto makers wouldn't be laying people off!
Random sobriety checkpoints Friday morning - Sunday morning, problem solved (or at least 50%ish or more)
They were driving 80 today from olathe to desoto.
I think it should be enforced at 70
It should be lower for everyone except me. I seem to be the only person around here who knows how to drive. I'm really sick of the rest of you idiots.
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