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Hoping to keep the Rethugs from gaining to much ground. Why would I turn the keys back over to the ones who put us in the ditch?
So they can help you spell better.
Maybe they can also help you form an opinion instead being a spelling cop.
like the demorats had nothing to do with it
I'll be voting as many times as I can! Anything to keep the "hicks" from taking over.
Oh, that isn't me saying "hicks," by the way, that is me repeating what the Republicans are saying about those who express anti-Obama sentiment. If you are a Republican, it must be comforting to know what your party thinks of you: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/folksy-ad-not-so-folksy-after-all/?scp=1&sq=hicky%20looking&st=cse
Aren't you kind of embarrassed to admit in a public forum that you don't know what "socialism" is?
I sure will, all that hope and change did not happen did it? I would say I was surprised but I am not. All we got is obamacare that is filled with surprises since we had to pass it to read it.
Actually, a lot of change has happened...read up on it before you vote. And if you'd even think of voting republican, find at least five things that they have done in the last 18 months that has had a positive effect on the economy.
And the alternative? Just give our money and our souls to the company store??
The Washington Post is, by the way, a conservative leaning paper:
Ok, I just love the grocery store and the fact that I get to support four industrialized farming and food production companies with few options.
However, the notion that the free market performs on its own in the best interest of its consumers is the hitch here. Given the option, with no regulations the 'free market' will nearly always take the path of profit without regard to consequences to the environment, public health and safety, or the cost to consumers. This is due in large part to the fact that the average consumer is as easily duped as the average voter.
So you do see that a total divorce between the state and the free market may not be a good thing. I personally think that a centralized federal regulatory system is best. Can you imagine driving into Missouri and having to remember that they don't have the same standards for water or food as Kansas?? (ok..no mizzou jokes here!!) Or wondering if your Wisconsin Cheddar had been produced in a salmonella free plant? The system breaks down...but can you imagine if it weren't there??
In the nineteenth century, they didn't have cargyll, monsanto, dole and a few other megafarm industries monopolizing the food supply round the world and fixing prices....if you've read much Tolstoy or other 18th and 19th century writers, you'd know that world trade routes have been around for a while.
If the role of the state in the "free market" is simply to enforce private contracts and the ownership of the property...why would it not potentially work that way??
So you don't think that "standards" are a private contract between consumers and suppliers? And you don't think that the enforcement of them can vary between states?
You have an "interesting" view of the world you'd like to see.
Of course, you also seem to genuinely believe that consumers not just will, but can set "standards". That's because you apparently also don't realize that most government regulations stem from a genuine need by consumers for such regulations. That doesn't mean that all regulations are well-designed or well-implemented. But it also doesn't mean that those regulations are unnecessary or something to actually be avoided.
Now, granted, price can be a standard. And, yes, many consumers will opt to buy the cheapest thing. (Since you emphasize ever-lower prices, you apparently think price is the most important thing.)
However, things like safety and health and environmental impact are also standards. Not only that, but truth-in-advertising is an essential standard. Without that, there would be no way for a consumer to determine the truth about, say, the safety of a product.
But consumers aren't actually in a position to determine and set standards like that. Indeed, without regulations, consumers are easily held hostage by suppliers...who can tell consumers anything they want and provide consumers anything they want. The fact that consumers may stop buying a product at some point does NOT mean that the supplier won't have made a profit and moved onto the next poor product...or that they won't have caused genuine harm in the process.
Do you honestly think that falling prices happen in a vacuum??? That they have, for example, zero negative effective on income and jobs and the economy? Or that they are universally "good"?
And are you oblivious to the effects of the industrial revolution on prices in the 19th century? Or totally unaware of working and living conditions back then? Or 19th century laws and regulations?
Or...in the case of your argument...how about your apparently being unaware of the long series of financial panics throughout the 19th century: 1819 - 1821; 1837-1843; 1857-1859; 1873-1878; 1893-1897...basically 20% of the 19th century??
You asked us "Now tell me, are falling prices good for the average consumer? If so, then free markets are too."
Well, based on 19th century reality, not your idealized 19th century nirvana, I'd have to say "Not necessarily. It's not black and white, as you'd apparently like to think it is."
Jeez Louise. LOOK at the reasons for and impacts of those multiple 19th century depressions!
If you do, then you can't possibly claim "History has proven that free markets are what's best for consumers. Just look at how much prices fell during the 19th century"...when the truth behind those falling prices was, repeatedly, really, really, really ugly.
You can think lower prices are good...but how can they be when they are caused by a collapsing economy?? When they lead to millions of Americans out of work?? (One in six American men lost their jobs in the 1893 depression.) When they lead to thousands upon thousands of foreclosures and business failures??
And when the "average consumer" actually suffers because of the causes of those "falling prices"??
Usually people want to return to their fantasy version of the 1950s. But the 19th century? Wow.
until the fossil fuels run out that produces and ships all that food.
I have been very much awake and have been watching the Republicans execute their 'Obama must Fail' plan through out.
Do not even try to argue that they have done ONE thing to help solve our problems...with the exception of voting to require TV commercials not be broadcast more loudly than the programs they interrupt.
Are we to forget that Democrats took over with majorities in both houses (in 2007) and prevented government agencies overseeing Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac from investigating or otherwise inspecting the goings on at both institutions. Coincidently, not long after Maxine Waters and Barnie Frank prevented these investigations the market began to collapse.
In the face of all of this Charles Schumer announces publicly that a California based bank was in fiscal trouble. A run on the bank resulted in the banks collapse which in turn created fear in the marketplace and that lack if confidence coupled with the already troubled housing industry sent the economy spiraling downward resulting in numerous financial institutions crashing or being baled out by the taxpayers. It is important to note that Schumer's disclosure was considered unethical as the information was shared with his committee in the course of official business and such information is supposed to remain confidential for this very reason.
I believe Schumer did this for political reasons to garner support for candidate Obama without regard for the consequences to the economy or the country.
It certainly isn't lost on some of us that the decline began soon after Democrats took over the
Congress in 2007. I would say they accomplished a lot prior to President Obama taking office and the damage has accelerated since his inauguration.
Check your dates. Congress (R majority) rejected oversite regulations in 2003 and again in 2005. A modified version passed in 2008. But the horse was out of the barn by then.
Yeah, thats the soloution. Vote democratic because you have been brainwashed into hating the Republican party or vise versa. Nevermind making an informative and thoughtful decision. Those who vote that way are part of the problem in this country. Democrats and Republicans are the same thing and thats crooked. If you expect real change, people need to start voting 3rd party
CATFISH--NOT IF THE THIRD PARTY INCLUDES SARAH PALIN.
Although it's sad...if the 3rd party became the majority, the same garbage would be happening.
If you expect real change, quit hoping for an honest politician and get to work forcing change on your own.
Seriously, people are saying no? Why?
Likely because they didn't register to vote, or some responded to the poll who can't vote due to age, or other reasons
I can't wait to see some hand-to-hand combat, but I'm afraid our leader is all hat and no cattle.
Can't wait to get these darn Dems out of office. It's been years since we invaded another country or started war. Obama is all talk, who needs health care anyway, if you can't afford to pay your medical bills it's probably because you're a communist.
We're still at war. I'm sure the troops serving in Afghanistan would love to know that you think we're not at war. Also, everyone already had access to health care before Obama took office. He did nothing to change that.
I know we are at war, that's not what I was saying. It's been awhile since we brought some freedom and democracy to other countries. There are plenty of countries we should be bullying into being more like us.
Right now, I'm really sick and tired of both parties. The blaming, the finger pointing, the stupid internet blogs/videos that pop up, anger, hate, humiliation.
Screw 'em all.
....and you have the exact same feeling about this country. No suprise there. Has any terrorist organization contacted you? You'd be a prime candidate for recruitment. Why not try to destroy a country and it's people you're so ashamed of.
Yes. The change has left me feeling hopeless.
We are creatures of INSTANT gratification. Things take time. Obama is doing an okay job with the cards he was dealt. We need to understand that things won't improve overnight. Think about the damage that the Bush administration left behind. What's happening right now is not an effect of the Obama administration, it is effect of the Bush Administration. Give good politicians a chance. Vote for reasonable, pragmatic and moderate leadership.
Brownback use and destroy Kansas.
Brownback will use and destroy Kansas
Yep.... voting is one the rights we still have.
And our primary responsibility.
by Bill Simmon
You apparently have not read up on electronic voting machines.
If you are feeling an itch for despondency, you might want to read up on it. Very little will be accomplished via voting. Individual action is what is needed before the fascists gain complete control and Orwell's vision of the future becomes our reality.
The republicans count on the "both sides are bad so I am not voting" BS line. The GOP would dearly love those who are dissatisfied with both parties to not vote.
Do not be manipulated by the GOP. They know that the absence of a vote is a vote for the GOP.
As was said earlier, hold your nose and vote for the disappointing friend. Otherwise, the muggers will win.
Think hard about this. Especially those of you who get your information only from Fox.
"THE WRONG ARGUMENT FROM THE WRONG TEAM.... The latest monthly jobs report, as has been the case for months, was disappointing. The private sector added jobs for the ninth month in a row, but growth was tepid and didn't come close to offsetting the large job losses in the public sector.
Conservative Republicans, who've been wrong about every major economic challenge for the last several decades, seemed thrilled to seize on the unemployment numbers, in the hopes they'd pay political dividends. That may very well prove effective -- the employment picture is still bleak and discouraging, which to the GOP, necessarily means the Democratic approach didn't work.
Let's pause to appreciate how backwards this is.
Honestly, I'm not sure what it is Republicans think they're whining about. The economy is clearly still struggling, but we'd be far better off if the GOP weren't already getting its way"
Ok. I am not 100% happy with the way things have gone in the last 18 months. I have personally been hit very hard with unemployment and other personal repercussions which have made me very very watchful of those in Washington and in Topeka.
There is the age old fight for power, which is always ugly and foolish. But this year there is the added layer of absolute craziness on the part of the Republican 'upstarts' as well as the extremely damaging and misleading propaganda machine of the right. No. Its not equal on both sides. By no stretch of the imagination.
Until the Bush takeover of the presidency in 2000, I have always been an independent and have always voted on both sides of the line depending on the issues and the candidate. I now find that my very centrist philosophies have become 'far left' (according to some) and that there is not one single republican I could even remotely consider voting for. I do not rejoice in this situation. I believe we should have a strong two party (or more) system and that individual law makers should have the ability to vote for whats best rather than be held to party purity standards.
To allow the republicans, in their current state of insanity and disregard for facts, to retake the majority will only draw out our current multiple crises. We ARE headed in the right direction in spite of the concerted efforts of the Republican party to obstruct any progress. I sincerely hope that by the next election cycle we will find some members of that party to have rejoined reality.
Actually, Obama is not spend, spend, spending. Are you aware that the deficit has DECREASED in the last year?? That the monies being paid back from the bailouts are actually giving us a profit on our investment?? There have also been massive cuts and balancing acts in order to make changes of policy budget neutral. Guess that danged old liberal media isn't reporting on that.
And the Repugs will, if they are true to their campaign words, would shut down gov't. Lower taxes and revenues, stop unemployment benefits, raise the retirement age, cut SS and medicare. All of this ludicrous positioning is completely contrary to the perspectives offered by any economist and market analyst worth their salt. To follow even half of the proposals the republicans propose would ensure a reversal into full fledged depression. History tells us so. The math tells us so.
The few proactive items in the 'lemon pledge for America' are simply repackaging everything these fools voted against in order to take credit for what they have vilified with out cause or reason.
It matters hugely. Why do you think they want to regain control????
You know something kinda big happened to the economy in 2008, right? And that the 2009 budget and the TARP were determined by the previous adm, right? (NOT pointing fingers, just looking at the reality of the calendar) And that 1,752 is bigger thatn 1,171? And that those numbers represent the deficit, not the increase in the deficit?
2008 = 459
2009 = 1,752
2010 = 1,171
there is a DECREASE in the amount of 600B.
The data you are looking are CBO projections only. Not actual numbers.
Here is the latest on the deficit. Which should not be confused with the National Debt. Two different things.
"The $1.3 trillion figure was $125 billion less than the $1.4 trillion shortfall recorded in fiscal 2009 when the deficit hit 10 percent of GDP, according to CBO."
No, it's not false!! And, no, the deficit hasn't increased!
Can't you read a basic table??
No wonder the Republicans cause so many problems :-(
read the whole article?
catfishturkeyhunter, I've disliked the GOP since I was 4 years old in 1974. No brainwashing here. back then, Watergate interrupted my cartoons. Then Bedtime for Bonzo told me
ketchup was a vegtable and wife of Bonzo told me to just say no. bedtime and wife
and Lee Atwater brought up welfare cadillacs and willie horton and the whole country
went dumb and avoided real issues while the churchlicans and the contralicans
like old Ollie North wrapped their lying a##es in the American flag and preyed or prayed
on their dumb constituency for votes. not much has changed has it?
why wouldn't I?
Most definitely will be voting.
I have 5 votes this time. 2 adult children moved back home (one with hubby). They are greatfull they have family to fall back on. They are making the move from college to workforce.
So with the wife's and kid's votes I'm feeling pretty powerfull as Nov. 2 aproaches.
I already have voted.
Yes we can, despite the obstructionists.
Yes. Hoping to halt the jackbooted march toward Socialism that is the Democratic party.
Well, that's a well-reasoned stance. At least we know you reached your opinion through reasoned introspection and reality.
A hearty amen to that. Take back the House, defeat Reid, and make big gains in the Senate. A great first step towards reclaiming Liberty and Freedom.
And we've lost "Liberty" and "Freedom"...how?
Whether you like it or not, this is a vote for the GOP, who are hoping beyond hope that disillusioned moderates and democrats will stay away from the polls.
This is their strategy, and you are falling for it hook line and sinker.
Did you ever feel like a sucker? I have some land in Florida to sell you.
Who will you vote for, libertyone? Despite your equivocations of the two parties, my guess is you will vote a full GOP slate.
Ed...actually the SOLUTION is in the fact that there is a very very slim difference between the opposing views on the issues. The PROBLEM is the politicization by the parties who try to divide. Lets make them stop and get on with solving the problems through meaningful and intelligent debate and moving on to the future.
Please vote. Or you will no longer have the credentials to participate in the discussion.
In other news:
"High-profile liberals say President Obama's attempts to badger Democrats into voting will not work this November.
Jane Hamsher, founder of the blog FireDogLake.com, told The Hill in an email Friday that the strategy being employed by the White House as polls show a Republican landslide looming is the wrong way to go.
“Hectoring your supporters doesn't work, and it never has,” Hamsher said. “And anyone with as much campaign experience as Obama and [Vice President] Biden knows that, which is why you never saw them do it in their own races.”
Obama and Biden have in recent weeks repeatedly pressed the voters who propelled them into office in 2008 to get off the sidelines, with Biden going as far as to jokingly, but repeatedly, insult those voters at his rallies.
But members of the “professional left,” a term coined by Robert Gibbs in an interview with The Hill, said that Obama and Biden's admonitions to Democrats to “stop whining” will not turn the tide in favor of Democrats...."
Not voting is equivalent to voting or the GOP.
They are counting on it.
Why does our electorate take voting for granted?
Milton Friedman's neoliberal economic theories have never worked in any country where they've been instituted. Haven't worked as mathematical models in anybody's basement, either.
Yet I believe in over turning the New Deal. 1.2 million citizens are literally trapped in public housing in the US of A. History 101 tells us that Socialism was begun in Europe with the advent of public housing namely. We're all that and more, too.
Socialism still is not Communism, however; it's not dark, yet, but it's getting there.
Where does this fantasy you have about the 19th century come from? Do you really think you'd have been one of the wealthy ones?
Alexander Gray, Governor of Kansas anybody???????
All you Wal Mart weenies out there.
The world once "banked" on mercantilism; the world once eked out its survival on the feudal system before that. The Catholic Church once held the reigns over usury. They were right then to say usury is illegal. They were right.
Under capitalism, free markets running free are akin to bulls in China shops running free. Socialism means surrender nearly all of your rights and freedoms and the state will take care of you.
No, I'm not gonna vote. Lose either way.
Relax and have a popsicle, Indus. It's a cool and fruity treat on a fall day.
Anyone who's thinking of voting for Brownback should pay attention to what he actually votes for/against. Like ensuring that the employees of security contractors are given thier right to prosecute criminals in cases of rape (or lack thereof).
If I lived in California, Yes on Prop. 19. It's time to stop being so ignorant, and let taxes rebuild our crumbling US of A.
Representatives Steve Driehaus of Ohio, Suzanne Kosmas of Florida and Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania have been tossed under the bus by the DNC.
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