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Do you consider the city’s bus system to be a core city service and worthy of additional tax support?

Response Percent Votes
54% 461
45% 382
Total 843


Sigmund 9 years, 9 months ago

Unless and until the City of Lawrence requires that MV Transportation disclose all the partners and shareholders who benefit from the $2,600,000 every year, year after year, of Corporate Welfare courtesy of Lawrence taxpayers I will be voting against any and all tax increases. Let the empTy roll on the same crappy streets that the rest of us are forced drive on. Then I'll be voting against any incumbent.

jayhaitch 9 years, 9 months ago

Most people voting from an office are likely to be sitting behind an Internet router that makes every communication from that office appear to come from the same machine. Thus, only one vote per office.A system requiring a userID and password would be vulnerable to ballot box stuffing via multiple accounts created by the same user, but that could work to the advantage of either side, thus null effect.I don't consider the bus service essential because I don't use it. If they do continue it, they should run on natural gas or be electric.T. Boone Pickens has it right. Support wind power generation.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

The T needs to provide peak service during "rush hours" to citizens about every 20 minutes. Put more buses at the busiest routes so that others know they can get to work and school on time. Run this intense service from about 7-10AM then cut back to every 40 minutes. Do it again from 4-8PM then cut back to every 40 minutes until 10PM.That's basically what type of service might work better or something similar.

jmcjike 9 years, 9 months ago

The count on this vote is backwards. I just voted no and it was counted as a yes. Then I voted yes and it was counted as a no.

OnlyTheOne 9 years, 9 months ago

What a City. Your leaders aren't worth the aggravation of formulating a reasonable comment nor the time required to type it.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

Why does anyone support the airport? Why do we need the airport? Who uses the airport?At least the T has 350,000-400,000 riders a year.

oleyser 9 years, 9 months ago

i just voted and it registered correctly

oldvet 9 years, 9 months ago

You're not on the "approved to use obscenity" list, Don... I frequently suggest removal to those who switch letters on the f-word and a name (think of the t-shirt ESPN won't show), Yet they fail to take any action on this specific violation of their own terms of use, even after repeated requests... I'm probably not on the list either, so this may disappear...

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

The LJW really should try to limit folks to one vote.

c_dubya 9 years, 9 months ago

It does limit you to one vote per IP address. I just tested it. And NO this is not an 'essential' city service. It should at least be put on hold for a while due to revenue issues. Tax increases are not the answer, now or ever.

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

Yes, it's a core service, just a poorly-funded and poorly-run one. I'd rather see electric trains than busses, though.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

If there is anything empty it is the airport. Why is the city of Lawrence maintaining an expensive airport? For whom? Couldn't these very very very very very few airplane owners fly into KCAI or downtown KCMO airport? That money could be spent evermore wisely?

preebo 9 years, 9 months ago

Particularly given the continuing energy crisis. I am speculating here, but I would surmise that the modest increase in sales tax pales in comparison to the increase in fuel costs overall. There is little doubt that the increase in use of public transportation nationwide is directly connected to the rise in prices at the fuel pump. If we are to address this issue seriously we need to create practical solutions. Further investment in our transportation infrastructure makes good economical sense.

Boeing 9 years, 9 months ago

Is it essential? No, of course not. If they stopped the bus service, the world would still turn, people would still wake up in the morning, and toilets would still flush the same direction. Even as a person who does not ride the bus, I agree it's a nice addition...but it's done incorrectly. I'm not willing to fund another of Lawrence's screw ups.

alm77 9 years, 9 months ago

You know, I got to thinking. What would happen if all of us who support the T were to buy a monthly pass? Never mind if you would use it frequently (or ever) but just to purchase a pass and put your money where your mouth is and literally support the T. Just an idea...

Sigmund 9 years, 9 months ago

A better question would be, "How much should the City be willing to spend to keep the empTy before asking the users to make up the difference in increased fares?"a. $1,200,000 every year ($100,000 every month)b. $2,400,000 every year ($200,000 every month)c. $3,600,000 every year ($300,000 every month)d. $4,800,000 every year ($400,000 every month)e. none of the aboveAn even better question is, "Lawrence currently spends $2,600,000 per year, every year, for the empTy. What other services would you rather the City spend the money on?a. roadworksb. sewer and waterc. art and city beautificationd. librariese. all of the above

jumpin_catfish 9 years, 9 months ago

Oh spiderlad, gas will likely never reach $10, its reaching a top now because americans have backed off on unnecessary driving. supply and demand folks supply and demand

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

The busses should run the full lengh of every mile road and return. That would make the longest walk to a bus a half-mile. (Later we can add half-mile routes in busier areas.) We'd have busses on 6th, 15th, 23rd, and 31st, and on Harper, Haskell, Mass/Louisiana, Iowa, Kasold, and Wakarusa. The Massachusetts bus could jog over to Louisiana at 19th, passing LHS. The 15th St bus would traverse campus, drop down 13th or 14th, and jog back to 15th on Tennessee. On the North side, there would be a N 2nd/Mass bus that would run to the airport and a loop bus that could run down Locust to 9th, up to Lyon, back to 8th, up to North St, over to N 2nd, and return. Every route intersection should be a transfer point and should have an automated bus pass/ticket dispenser. The busses should be sized for the route demand and should have shorter schedules during peak hours. The bus system should run until at least 02:30 7 days a week and start at 06:00 7 days a week so that 2nd and 3rd shift people can use it to get to and from work. That would also help keep drunks off the road.

Sigmund 9 years, 9 months ago

An even betterer (or bestest if you prefer) question is, "Currently it cost the City of Lawrence $8.00/ride on the empTy. What is a fair fare for riders to pay?a. 50 cents/rideb. $1,00/ride c. $2,00/rided. $4.00/ridee. $8.00/ride

BrianR 9 years, 9 months ago

It's only considered non-essential by people who don't need it to get around. Just because something doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it's not important.

workinghard 9 years, 9 months ago

I downloaded the route maps, some of it makes no sense. You cannot go from one end of Iowa to the other. Did they hire a consulting firm to map the routes? That might explain it. I think the bussinesses around the 31st area and East Hills bussiness park should be levied a special transit tax.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 9 months ago

Yet in front of 23rd street dillons I counted 13 bodies at that bus stop between 6- 6:30 AM Tuesday. That is 11 more than might "normally" be there based of weekly visits to that location at that time for about 3 years. The bodies apparently were heading east.

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

Oops. I thought it was a mile from Mass to Haskell. I guess leave out Haskell and run it on Harper instead, or run it as a loop down Harper to 27th, over to Haskell, down to 31st and back, then up Haskell to 11th, back down to 15th, then over to Harper again. Pickups and dropoffs would be at every half-mile at defined stops (30-60 seconds per stop, unless there are extenuating circumstances), preferaby with a bus turnout to limit traffic backup, but with a short light to stop the nearest lane of trafffic to let the bus back into the stream. The idea would be for each route to have one bus during regular hours (unless ridership dictates more frequent service), and add extra busses during morning and evening rush.

jumpin_catfish 9 years, 9 months ago

gccs14r said: I'd rather see electric trains than busses, though.Electric trains! Heck let's give everyone a hybrid car, an unlimited food voucher, and free cable with HBO while we are at it.

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, I do wonder why we contracted out for running the bus system when we still have to pay for the busses and fuel. Someone in City government should be in charge of day-to-day operations of the bus system and the drivers should be City employees.

KsTwister 9 years, 9 months ago

Hmm, interesting-it won't let me vote at all. Took a screen shot and tried to vote and there is no "yes or no" . LJW are you messing in city politics again? Anyway, why Lawrence needs such a large"fleet" with little revenue to afford its use is beyond me. Downsize that money pit and you may find something more useful then most of the empty buses on the outskirts of the main drag in this town.

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KU_Dude 9 years, 9 months ago

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sjschlag 9 years, 9 months ago

Use the tracks still in the street....makes sense, right?Trolleys might be good for getting tourists into our great city, but they are by no means affordable. If you want to pay the costs, or know someone who my guest. Trying to build one from scratch here would cost an INSANE amount of money, even if you used the old tracks still in New Jersey, Indiana, 8th and 4th streets. If you get a bunch of trolley nuts together (they are out there) maybe they could hold some fundraisers and convince the city to let them re-build the tracks (not at the city's expense) and run some streetcars around town. My suggestion would be to re-build the KU route.I'm sure there are "historic preservation grants" and other sources of funding that could make this possible without having to ask the city for $3 million they don't have. As far as buses go, cut the routes with the least ridership. Make the service on the routes with tons of ridership more frequent and faster.

jplanet 9 years, 9 months ago

I think the T would be great if they had appropriate sized busses for the amount of people who currently use them and had better routes. They don't even sync up with the but that goes to JOCO. The T is scheduled to arrive at that stop 6 minutes after the JOCO bus leaves! That makes no sense to me. Also, I think maybe they could take some of those large T busses and use them for the JOCO bus route. I hear that bus is at capacity daily. And maybe they should start a route to Topeka as well. There are many people who commute from Lawrence to the VA and downtown Topeka. I'd hate to see the T completely gone because of screwy bus routes. I'm sure more people would use them if the routes were better. I know I would!just my 2 cents :)

bad_dog 9 years, 9 months ago

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