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At least six killed in shooting in Wisconsin temple

August 5, 2012

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OAK CREEK, Wis. (AP) — At least six people were killed Sunday when a gunman opened fire at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, and the suspected shooter later died in an exchange of gunfire with police, authorities said.

Police were called to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek, where witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service. Authorities found four people dead inside the temple and two outside, Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said.

Sunny Singh, 21, of Milwaukee, said a friend pulled into the temple's parking lot, heard shots and saw two people fall down. The friend then saw the shooter reload his weapons and head to the temple's entrance, Singh said.

The first police officer to arrive at the temple engaged in gunfire outside the building with a man police believe was the shooter, Wentlandt said. The suspect was killed, he said.

Tactical units went through the temple, and authorities do not believe a second shooter was involved, Wentlandt said.

It's unclear how many others were wounded. Wentlandt said he had been told the officer who exchanged gunfire with the suspect and another person had been taken to hospitals. He said the officer was shot multiple times and is in surgery and is expected to survive.

The spokeswoman for the area trauma center said three victims were being treated there, including one who was in surgery.

Jatin Der Mangat, 38, of Racine, the nephew of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, said his uncle was one of those shot, but he didn't know how serious his injuries were. He was among those waiting for news when police announced the deaths.

"It was like the heart just sat down," he said. "This shouldn't happen anywhere."

Sukhwindar Nagr, also of Racine, said he called his brother-in-law's phone and a priest at the temple answered and told him that his brother-in-law had been shot, along with three priests. The priest also said women and children were hiding in closets in the temple, Nagr said.

Wentlandt did not identify the suspect or say what might have motivated the shootings.

Sikhism is a monotheistic faith that was founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.

Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.

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msezdsit 2 years, 4 months ago

Is it just me or does it seem like these shootings are occurring more and more often. All you gotta do is find yourself a gun and some bullets and your all set.

These are kinda of the US version of a suicide bomber.(Well the governments version of a suicide bomber is a drone and think of how many innocent people are killed in these attacks)

msezdsit 2 years, 4 months ago

Actually, there not only not happening at an increased rate, they really didn't even happen so they don't really count at all.

Beth Bird 2 years, 4 months ago

This is so sad.....I will never understand how someone could do this......

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

Guns do not leap into someones hand and command the person to go kill someone. No, we ought to be more focused on what is going on in the mind of someone who wants to kill so many people. So much anger and hate that they search for the best way to do the most damage. Gun control is a good and necessary thing, not everyone should be permitted to own one. People need a way to defend themselves and their families without acquiring that mindset that everyone out there is an enemy and out to do them harm. Drones are another thing entirely, they are controlled by young computer jockeys who see this as just one more video game and they want to kill as many as they can. They have no personal stake in the outcome of who gets killed or where, they have no hate or animosity to the dead, just joy in a job well done.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

"Drones are another thing entirely, they are controlled by young computer jockeys who see this as just one more video game and they want to kill as many as they can. They have no personal stake in the outcome of who gets killed or where, they have no hate or animosity to the dead, just joy in a job well done."

You were doing ok.....'til you started speaking out the wrong end.

pace 2 years, 4 months ago

Drones and guns don't kill people, it is the fluoride in the water.

riverdrifter 2 years, 4 months ago

Hate crimes in the name of god. Whodathunkit?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 4 months ago

What makes you think America will be here for a thousand years?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

Blaming the victims is pretty disgusting, Gotland-- white supremacism is the cause of this crime, not multiculturalism.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

So "perhaps" means for certain. Only a clown.....

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

So glad you could join in on the goose-stepping, jay.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Goose stepping? For pointing out yet another of your argumentative fallacies? Ooo! You're a classy one!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

Says the Pavlov Poster, seeking to pump himself up just a little bit more.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Like a dog returns to his vomit, so does the fool to his folly. The only Pavlov here came back for the hundredth time to his pathetic 'pump' line.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

Clearly, it is your perverse hope that it wasn't, as current reports indicate, one of your own.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

A photo from Facebook shows Page playing guitar in front of a Hammerskin Nation banner, which features two crossed hammers. (Photo Credit: ADL)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

Of course you're blaming the victims-- you believe they deserved it because they clearly don't fall into the same lily-white goosestep that you do.

Kathy Getto 2 years, 4 months ago

I think you mean tinderbox, Gotland. BTW, just who is to blame for multiculturism, in your opinion? Me thinks you confuse racism with multiculturism.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

"a fill-in-the-blank hyphenated American" -- you mean, like "White-Supremacist"?

If you don't like multiculturalism, then leave this country and move to one that fits your genetic make-up.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

What bothers me is that your belief system allows you to think that the blame for this crime lies with the victims, and not the shooter who clearly shares many of your beliefs.

chootspa 2 years, 4 months ago

In many cases, the belief system died with the shooter. But we do know a white, middle class male of Christian upbringing is far more likely to be the shooter in the US than any other ethnicity or economic background.

I'm not going to make the case that the shooters are all racists, although this particular shooter may turn out to be. I think that's an easy path that makes us distance ourselves from the more troubling aspects of admitting that the shooter wasn't an "other." Blaming the shootings on "multiculturalism" may be your method of doing the same.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

The shooter is Wade Michael Page, a retired Army veteran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us/army-veteran-identified-as-suspect-in-wisconsin-shooting.html?hp

Gotland, you might want to amend your previous posts or flag them for removal yourself.

Wow.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

According to Gotland, the Sikhs are now going to counter attack the VFW. What a joke.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

Or, according to Gotland, will the Sikhs counter attack white supremacists?

oldbaldguy 2 years, 4 months ago

the guy is not a retired army veteran. he served 6 years and got kicked out. he recieved a dishonorable discharge for misconduct. he is a nazi according to the southern proverty center. the irony here is that the sikhs have a history of being outstanding soldiers and warriors.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

"the irony here is that the sikhs have a history of being outstanding soldiers and warriors."

I fail to see the irony here.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

Who takes a weapon to their place of worship on the possibility of an attack? How do mental health specialists define paranoid any more with things like this going on? I have read books about the history of the Sikhs and have always been impressed by them and their loyalty to their way of life. The thing is that it is no longer a case of one person being killed but a lot of people and no one saw it coming. I think that it because everyone hangs out with those who share their world view. So, they are all talking about the same thing and all agreeing with each other. Me and my family are all multicultural and so have International friends. But, that is the way that I was raised and the way that I raised them.
We do pretty much agree with each other though regardless of the country we were raised in, and we do have some rousing conversations. But, we share the same basic convictions. So, does everyone else in the world. For a long time the Untied States was thought to be exempt from the kind of extreme hate and death that was going on in the rest of the world. Now, we are learning that we are not, and each fresh horror brings less and less reaction. Are Americans getting to the point where they simply shrug this off?

msezdsit 2 years, 4 months ago

Obviously, the criticism on these threads are hitting a little to close to home for comfort for many posters.

Mike Ford 2 years, 4 months ago

Sikh men served admirably for the British Empire in WW I and WW II. I used to see clowns like this killer at the Outhouse back in my punk rock and thrash metal days in the early 1990's. The SHARPS were always on the lookout for clowns like this guy. Rural Wisconsin has an intolerent underbelly towards Milwaukee, Madison, and the Indian reservations there. Guys like this have their Mein Kempf mindset going on.........sad.........

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

The original skinhead subculture started in the United Kingdom in late 1960s, and had heavy British mod and Jamaican rude boy influences, including a love for ska and soul music.[1][2][3][4] Although some skinheads (including black skinheads) had engaged in Paki bashing (random violence against Pakistanis and other South Asian immigrants), skinheads were not associated with an organized racist political movement in the 1960s.[5][6][7] However, in the late 1970s, a skinhead revival in the UK included a sizable white nationalist faction, involving organizations such as the National Front, British Movement, Rock Against Communism and in the late eighties Blood and Honor. Because of this, the mainstream media began to label the whole skinhead identity as neo-Nazi. This new white power skinhead movement then spread to other countries, including the United States.

Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice was started in New York City in 1987 by Marcus Pacheco & Stevan M as a way to show that the skinhead subculture is not based on racism and political extremism.[8] André Schlesinger (and his Oi! band The Press) and Jason O'Toole (vocalist of the hardcore punk group Life's Blood) were among SHARP's early supporters. In 1989, Roddy Moreno of the Welsh Oi! band The Oppressed visited New York City and met a few SHARP members. On his return to the United Kingdom, he designed a new SHARP logo based on the Trojan Reggae labels design and started promoting SHARP ideals to British skinheads.[9][10] SHARP then spread throughout Europe and in other continents.[11] In the UK and other European countries, the SHARP attitude was more based on the individual than on organized groups. In the 2000s, SHARP is thought to have become more of an individual designation than an official organization.

http://www2.ljworld.com/users/photos/2012/aug/06/239014/

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Source? It is obviously lifted from somewhere, and my guess is Wiki.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Former military right-wing extremist driven by racial and religious hatred.

It appears that Janet Napolitano was right when she warned against this type of home-grown terrorist a couple years back. As I recall, the Right wing establishment wasn't happy with the warning, even calling for her resignation at the time. Looks like we should have done more to heed the advice instead.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

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beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

BAA, are you actually giving support to the neo-nazi murderer, or are you just saying that neo-nazis in general aren't members of hate groups?

Wow, even for you BAA -- WOW!

tomatogrower 2 years, 4 months ago

And yet, conservatives get a message in email or Facebook that the president has the SSN of a dead man, and that his birth certificate is fake, and that he was married to a man from Pakistan, before he married his wife, and they believe it. They don't eve fact check or snope such stupid ideas. It's on the internet and FOX, so it must be true, right BAA.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Still trolling on this one gotland? Sad.

Mike Ford 2 years, 4 months ago

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 4 months ago

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Katara 2 years, 4 months ago

So much name calling and not one word of respect for the victims.

But as long as you all score your political points...that's what matters, right?

It doesn't matter to you all that these victims were minding their own business and they were killed because they aren't white and Christian.

geekin_topekan 2 years, 4 months ago

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Katara 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes, I do care and it has nothing to do with political ideology. I care that the victims were peacefully exercising their religious freedom & they were killed because of it.

I would think that someone who has been extremely vocal about religious freedom as you have would care too.

Flowers and sympathy cards don't do much to help. I called the Midwest Sikh Gurudwara in KC to see if there was anything they needed because I read they are collecting donations. They are collecting monetary donations, cards (grocery, phone, etc.) & also toys for the children. There is a box set up outside the temple and one inside in the foyer. They are also having a candlelight vigil this Friday night.

You can get more information here. http://kcmsa.org/news.htm

geekin_topekan 2 years, 4 months ago

I was discussing this latest neo-nazi/con attack on the unarmed peaceful citizens of his own country with a coworker of mine. Naturally this led back to talk about 9/11.

He says that Muslims owe the people of the United States an apology for 9/11 and that theirs is a religion of hatred and murder. He also claims that Muslims claim to love and peace cannot be found anywhere and no Muslims have ever denounced 9/11 but celebrate it in secrecy.

Aren't neo-nazis fanatically Christian? My only rebut would have to be-- don't all Christians owe the citizens of this country an apology since this act of terror represent all of the Christian religion, as per my coworker's argument?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 4 months ago

"but celebrate it in secrecy" - It should be noted that upon hearing the news of 9/11, there were some very loud and joyous celebrations in some cities around the world. You might want to look into exactly where that happened and who was doing the celebrating.

"Aren't neo-Nazis fanatically Christian?" - As I've cautioned before, I'm somewhat loathe to have others define exactly what is and what is not Christianity. ("others" being non Christians, or in this case, me). So if I misinterpret, accept my apology in advance. So with that preface, I believe I am correct in stating that the Christian Identity beliefs of neo-Nazis is so far removed from traditional Christianity, both Catholic and the many Protestants, that is can hardly be called Christianity. At least as it is commonly understood. That they use the word Christian in their Christian Identity name is more misleading than truth. Simply put, they are not Christians.

geekin_topekan 2 years, 4 months ago

"the Christian Identity beliefs of neo-Nazis is so far removed from traditional Christianity, both Catholic and the many Protestants, that is can hardly be called Christianity. At least as it is commonly understood. That they use the word Christian in their Christian Identity name is more misleading than truth. Simply put, they are not Christians." +++ Substitute Muslim where Christian lies and Terrorist for NeoNazi and you have the point that i was trying to make from my coworker's argument.

geekin_topekan 2 years, 4 months ago

I imagine that some white "Christian" neos are celebrating, but from cowardice- they are not visible.

Mike Ford 2 years, 4 months ago

the three trolls don't sweat a conscience.....they don't worry about offending.... they just come up from their mom's couch in the basement to make tater tots and get batteries for their radio since they don't pay the electric bill....they ignore facts for the rise from a being the class clown american......they came back as born again class clowns.......

geekin_topekan 2 years, 4 months ago

How can a born again Christian "come back"?

grammaddy 2 years, 4 months ago

How on earth did this get to be an argument about Dems vs, Reps?? The Sikhs are some of the most peace-loving people on the face of this earth.

JayCat_67 2 years, 4 months ago

Welcome to the LJWorld discussion board.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 4 months ago

I usually don't like to flag comments for removal. But these threats and counter threats to fist fights is just too much. I have flagged them for removal and I hope those involved are banned from this forum. Shame on you both.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 4 months ago

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Kathy Getto 2 years, 4 months ago

This is a prime example of just why these tragedies occur!! Crap from the right, intended to rile those not capable of thinking for themselves, leading a weaker person to kill others. BAA stop acting like a middle-aged baby banging your silver spoon in fear of anything deemed " public" or different and take some responsibility for the effect you have on others.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

steps lightly through the cow patties What in the name of _ did I walk into?

jonas_opines 2 years, 4 months ago

Wow, so after all this time Born Again American finally crossed that line . . . err, again. Almost, but not really at all, curious. (not really at all).

Of course, it's the Liberal Media Conspiracy, that's why.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Yeah. I am quoting Yoda.

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