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At least six killed in shooting in Wisconsin temple

August 5, 2012

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OAK CREEK, Wis. (AP) — At least six people were killed Sunday when a gunman opened fire at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, and the suspected shooter later died in an exchange of gunfire with police, authorities said.

Police were called to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek, where witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service. Authorities found four people dead inside the temple and two outside, Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said.

Sunny Singh, 21, of Milwaukee, said a friend pulled into the temple's parking lot, heard shots and saw two people fall down. The friend then saw the shooter reload his weapons and head to the temple's entrance, Singh said.

The first police officer to arrive at the temple engaged in gunfire outside the building with a man police believe was the shooter, Wentlandt said. The suspect was killed, he said.

Tactical units went through the temple, and authorities do not believe a second shooter was involved, Wentlandt said.

It's unclear how many others were wounded. Wentlandt said he had been told the officer who exchanged gunfire with the suspect and another person had been taken to hospitals. He said the officer was shot multiple times and is in surgery and is expected to survive.

The spokeswoman for the area trauma center said three victims were being treated there, including one who was in surgery.

Jatin Der Mangat, 38, of Racine, the nephew of the temple's president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, said his uncle was one of those shot, but he didn't know how serious his injuries were. He was among those waiting for news when police announced the deaths.

"It was like the heart just sat down," he said. "This shouldn't happen anywhere."

Sukhwindar Nagr, also of Racine, said he called his brother-in-law's phone and a priest at the temple answered and told him that his brother-in-law had been shot, along with three priests. The priest also said women and children were hiding in closets in the temple, Nagr said.

Wentlandt did not identify the suspect or say what might have motivated the shootings.

Sikhism is a monotheistic faith that was founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.

Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 8 months ago

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Yeah. I am quoting Yoda.

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jonas_opines 1 year, 8 months ago

Wow, so after all this time Born Again American finally crossed that line . . . err, again. Almost, but not really at all, curious. (not really at all).

Of course, it's the Liberal Media Conspiracy, that's why.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 8 months ago

steps lightly through the cow patties What in the name of _ did I walk into?

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Agnostick 1 year, 8 months ago

Man... thank God for backups!

agnostick@excite.com

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beatrice 1 year, 8 months ago

I would just like to say -- BAA-bye.

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Kathy Getto 1 year, 8 months ago

This is a prime example of just why these tragedies occur!! Crap from the right, intended to rile those not capable of thinking for themselves, leading a weaker person to kill others. BAA stop acting like a middle-aged baby banging your silver spoon in fear of anything deemed " public" or different and take some responsibility for the effect you have on others.

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jhawkinsf 1 year, 8 months ago

I usually don't like to flag comments for removal. But these threats and counter threats to fist fights is just too much. I have flagged them for removal and I hope those involved are banned from this forum. Shame on you both.

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Agnostick 1 year, 8 months ago

Well, that was fun; now, the whining will start about how "unfair" things are...

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Liberty_One 1 year, 8 months ago

I don't know what you guys are arguing about. This guy is a murderer. He was a bad person. What else is there to say?

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four_pinocchios 1 year, 8 months ago

Born Again, don't let the trolls get you down. It's a trueism that anytime any tragedy occurs such as this, the left desperately searches for a way to link it to Republicans. And I use Republicans as a broad blanket to cover any sub-groups the left discusses and shifts blame to.

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grammaddy 1 year, 8 months ago

How on earth did this get to be an argument about Dems vs, Reps?? The Sikhs are some of the most peace-loving people on the face of this earth.

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Mike Ford 1 year, 8 months ago

the three trolls don't sweat a conscience.....they don't worry about offending.... they just come up from their mom's couch in the basement to make tater tots and get batteries for their radio since they don't pay the electric bill....they ignore facts for the rise from a being the class clown american......they came back as born again class clowns.......

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geekin_topekan 1 year, 8 months ago

I was discussing this latest neo-nazi/con attack on the unarmed peaceful citizens of his own country with a coworker of mine. Naturally this led back to talk about 9/11.

He says that Muslims owe the people of the United States an apology for 9/11 and that theirs is a religion of hatred and murder. He also claims that Muslims claim to love and peace cannot be found anywhere and no Muslims have ever denounced 9/11 but celebrate it in secrecy.

Aren't neo-nazis fanatically Christian? My only rebut would have to be-- don't all Christians owe the citizens of this country an apology since this act of terror represent all of the Christian religion, as per my coworker's argument?

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Katara 1 year, 8 months ago

So much name calling and not one word of respect for the victims.

But as long as you all score your political points...that's what matters, right?

It doesn't matter to you all that these victims were minding their own business and they were killed because they aren't white and Christian.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

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Mike Ford 1 year, 8 months ago

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Gotland 1 year, 8 months ago

If only the neo-nazi has enough forsight to call their organization something like "the southern poverty law center", they could get away with a lot more.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 8 months ago

The Libtards are at it again. They have taken information from the Southern Party Law Center naming the shooter as a Neo Nazi, White Supremist and the Liberal Lamestream Media has once again jumped on this story before all the facts are known. For those of you unfamiliar with SPLC they are a left wing extremists organization whose only functin is to smear right wing conservative organizations and their members. SPLC considers Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) a "hate group", because it opposes illegal immigration, and uses demonstrations as a method, which the SPLC deems intimidation. Similarly, the center labels the immigration reductionist/reformist website VDARE as a "hate group", because it argues against illegal immigration.

Also smeared as "hate groups" by the SPLC include: the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, and The Social Contract Press (a liberal group publishing environmentalist works such as those of Garrett Hardin, apparently solely because they republished French writer Jean Raspail's 1973 novel The Camp of the Saints which foretells catasrophe befalling Europe from boatloads of illegal immigrants arriving from South Asia).

Another example is the Council of Conservative Citizens, a conservative activist organization that advocates on behalf of states' rights and against immigration, communism, racial quotas and gun control. SPLC labels all members as racist because a minority of members had decades-past connections to segregationist organizations. In fact, the CCC attracts such mainstream speakers such as former Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.), Gov. Kirk Fordice (R-MS) and Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), and engages in charitable and cultural events.

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 8 months ago

@KansasConscience: Jeeeez!.....the Dims just keep getting dimmer and dimmer and... You need to go back and re-read the account of the shooting and then tell me exactly where the article identifies a motive. In fact, the article specifically states Wentlandt did not identify the suspect or say what might have motivated the shootings. You had to make a lot of assumptions if you thought religion had anything to do with it. And you know what happens when you ASSUME don't you? But you Libtards have a demonstrated proclivity to make such assumptions. You did after the Giffords shooting and you did it after the Trayvon Martin shooting. You do it over and over and... Methinks you better check again. That @$$ that is showing may be your very own.

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beatrice 1 year, 8 months ago

Former military right-wing extremist driven by racial and religious hatred.

It appears that Janet Napolitano was right when she warned against this type of home-grown terrorist a couple years back. As I recall, the Right wing establishment wasn't happy with the warning, even calling for her resignation at the time. Looks like we should have done more to heed the advice instead.

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Mike Ford 1 year, 8 months ago

Sikh men served admirably for the British Empire in WW I and WW II. I used to see clowns like this killer at the Outhouse back in my punk rock and thrash metal days in the early 1990's. The SHARPS were always on the lookout for clowns like this guy. Rural Wisconsin has an intolerent underbelly towards Milwaukee, Madison, and the Indian reservations there. Guys like this have their Mein Kempf mindset going on.........sad.........

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Agnostick 1 year, 8 months ago

"... show your __ in the name of conservatism."

No way. Neoconservatism perhaps... or false conservatism... but not true conservatism.

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1 year, 8 months ago

Now, ask yourselves this. If this had happened in a "white" church most of the posters above would have been calling for somebody's blood, asking what we could do and so on.

Why isn't that happening now?

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1 year, 8 months ago

@BAA, re: your post about 0830. "Left Wing Extremist blames religion whithout any information whatsoever about the shooter. Whodathunkit?"

You're again taking any chance you can to show you @$$ in the name of conservatism. There's a lot of information about the shooter: Belonged to a white supremacist organization 9-11 tattoo on his arm *less-than-honorable discharge

Couple that with the fact that Sikhs are often mistaken for Muslims and are hence objects of hatred because everyone knows they're all alike because they're not "Christian" like me.

Then add in the comments from the police, "Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bob Orr it may be more accurate to refer to "an investigation into a possible hate crime." indicating it's either an act of domestic terrorism or a possible hate crime.

Connect the dots and it sure seems to point to religion or culture. Step back and think a bit before you write. It won't hurt, I promise you.

@oldbaldguy. Point of correction, news sources say he received a less than honorable discharge, not a dishonorable.

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Leslie Swearingen 1 year, 8 months ago

Who takes a weapon to their place of worship on the possibility of an attack? How do mental health specialists define paranoid any more with things like this going on? I have read books about the history of the Sikhs and have always been impressed by them and their loyalty to their way of life. The thing is that it is no longer a case of one person being killed but a lot of people and no one saw it coming. I think that it because everyone hangs out with those who share their world view. So, they are all talking about the same thing and all agreeing with each other. Me and my family are all multicultural and so have International friends. But, that is the way that I was raised and the way that I raised them.
We do pretty much agree with each other though regardless of the country we were raised in, and we do have some rousing conversations. But, we share the same basic convictions. So, does everyone else in the world. For a long time the Untied States was thought to be exempt from the kind of extreme hate and death that was going on in the rest of the world. Now, we are learning that we are not, and each fresh horror brings less and less reaction. Are Americans getting to the point where they simply shrug this off?

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

"the irony here is that the sikhs have a history of being outstanding soldiers and warriors."

I fail to see the irony here.

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oldbaldguy 1 year, 8 months ago

the guy is not a retired army veteran. he served 6 years and got kicked out. he recieved a dishonorable discharge for misconduct. he is a nazi according to the southern proverty center. the irony here is that the sikhs have a history of being outstanding soldiers and warriors.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

Gotland, Jaywalker, and BAA: shame on you.

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autie 1 year, 8 months ago

Gotland also blames the foundering fathers of these United States for this. You know, the ones that started this multiculturalism...that we the people thing.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

Or, according to Gotland, will the Sikhs counter attack white supremacists?

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

According to Gotland, the Sikhs are now going to counter attack the VFW. What a joke.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 8 months ago

The shooter is Wade Michael Page, a retired Army veteran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us/army-veteran-identified-as-suspect-in-wisconsin-shooting.html?hp

Gotland, you might want to amend your previous posts or flag them for removal yourself.

Wow.

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FalseHopeNoChange 1 year, 8 months ago

Man these government people 'are' getting out of hand.

From years of government union employees filling 'young minds' with thoughts of 'mediocrity' building the New America, to ex-government killing machines raising 'havoc' with innocents, the government machine of "Transformation" is rolling on.

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Gotland 1 year, 8 months ago

THis is sad. But it makes me wonder if a milticultural America will ever have domestic peace or if imported divisions will fester for the next thousand years.

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riverdrifter 1 year, 8 months ago

Hate crimes in the name of god. Whodathunkit?

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Leslie Swearingen 1 year, 8 months ago

Guns do not leap into someones hand and command the person to go kill someone. No, we ought to be more focused on what is going on in the mind of someone who wants to kill so many people. So much anger and hate that they search for the best way to do the most damage. Gun control is a good and necessary thing, not everyone should be permitted to own one. People need a way to defend themselves and their families without acquiring that mindset that everyone out there is an enemy and out to do them harm. Drones are another thing entirely, they are controlled by young computer jockeys who see this as just one more video game and they want to kill as many as they can. They have no personal stake in the outcome of who gets killed or where, they have no hate or animosity to the dead, just joy in a job well done.

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Beth Bird 1 year, 8 months ago

This is so sad.....I will never understand how someone could do this......

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msezdsit 1 year, 8 months ago

Is it just me or does it seem like these shootings are occurring more and more often. All you gotta do is find yourself a gun and some bullets and your all set.

These are kinda of the US version of a suicide bomber.(Well the governments version of a suicide bomber is a drone and think of how many innocent people are killed in these attacks)

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