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Open-saloon charges filed against Baldwin City bar owner

By Staff Reports

December 29, 2010

Douglas County prosecutors have filed two misdemeanor charges of operating an open saloon against an owner of a Baldwin City bar. Douglas Scott Delaney, 51, of Baldwin City, an owner of The Salt Mine, 301 Ames St., posted $100 bond Tuesday after he turned himself in to be booked at the Douglas County Jail.

Baldwin City Police Chief Greg Neis said Delaney was cited twice, once on June 13 and once on Aug. 21, because it’s alleged he consumed alcohol after hours at the bar. Delaney is next scheduled to appear in court on the charges Jan. 5.

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Gandalf 2 years, 5 months ago

Am I missing something here? It sounds as if the bar owner had a few drinks at his own establishment. This is illegal?

LarryNative 2 years, 5 months ago

Believe it or not, yes it is. No alcohol can be legally consumed in a liquor licensed business after 2 a.m. in Kansas, including the owner. Calling it an "open saloon" is a bit extreme unless he was selling to the public after 2 a.m.

notwhatyouthink 2 years, 5 months ago

Actually a bar employee who is working at the time can not consume alcohol at all when even when they are open.

kernal 2 years, 5 months ago

Like that never happens.

dudedog12 2 years, 5 months ago

Someone most likely has it in for him and is geting back at him.. Look a little closer..

Shardwurm 2 years, 5 months ago

Salt Mine has had trouble for years...but agree this is someone getting back at him for something.

rando1965 2 years, 5 months ago

Let me get this right.if i buy alcohol from a liquor store like bar owners do i cannot have anything to drink past 2 a.m. ? as long as he is not selling to anyone then where is the crime ?

amesn 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree there doesn't seem to be much if any crime committed here but I would have to assume the legality of him drinking after 2am in his own establishment has to have something to do with the liquor license he carries. Must be some fine print clause in there or something that a little weazel picked up on!

PunkyPoo 2 years, 5 months ago

Bar owners do this all the time. Lock up the club and drink with their friends. Doug must have pi$$ed off somebody.

ronwell_dobbs 2 years, 5 months ago

Isn't one of the other owners of the Salt Mine a member of City Council in Baldwin? Maybe it's payback for something.

bloul11 2 years, 5 months ago

No, just the property owner not the business owner is on city council.

punkrockmom 2 years, 5 months ago

I thought the law was you can't SELL alcohol after 2am. Admittedly, I don't drink, so don't keep up on all the insane alcohol laws that Kansas has.

Ernest Barteldes 2 years, 5 months ago

Just do away with these silly 'last call; laws... Let's follow New Orleans' lead and have some fun....

filmmaker06 2 years, 5 months ago

What is the punishment for this?

dudedog12 2 years, 5 months ago

You scratch my back, i'll scratch yours !!! NOt enough return back scratching goin on !!

gccs14r 2 years, 5 months ago

Part of the problem is the requirement that any drink served in a bar must be profitable, and any drink price must remain in effect all day (no happy hour). If the owner is drinking bar stock after hours, he's in violation of serving drinks outside of legislated hours, and if he's not paying retail for the drink, he's in violation of the profitability clause, the happy hour clause, or both. If he's drinking private stock, I think that's also a violation.

Kontum1972 2 years, 5 months ago

what a great country...

ronwell_dobbs 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's put the blame where it's due. It isn't the country's laws that are being violated. It's laws of the Great State of Kansas, enacted by the Kansas legislature. Why don't you ask the Kansas legislators why they instituted these laws? Why don't you ask the religious conservative nutbags that insist on making it as difficult as possible to obtain liquor?

xbusguy 2 years, 5 months ago

You gotta be kidding me...... what a bunch of crap.

notwhatyouthink 2 years, 5 months ago

Well those of us in Baldwin City don't care what you think. Gregg is doing a great job. No more good ole boy small town politics. Everyone gets treated fairly. That is really what comes in to play here.

Small town I am the city council member I get to do what I want and the cops will look the other way it what they were used to. Not anymore.

ronwell_dobbs 2 years, 5 months ago

Interesting that this is likely the same person (notwhatyouthink) who thinks the Baldwin City Council should do some "good ole boy small town politics" and grant a special zoning request. See for yourself:

http://signal.baldwincity.com/news/2010/dec/23/city-council-denies-us-56-property-rezoning-reques/#c9657

sentinel4820 2 years, 5 months ago

LOL...Looks like stupidity already hit your gene pool...Learn how to spell if you are going to criticize someone. Here is a quick spelling lesson: 'explaines' = explains and 'Lawrece' = Lawrence. Also please capitalize cities names. Lesson complete, no charge.

HW 2 years, 5 months ago

If you are going to pick on others about spelling, you should use proper punctuation and spelling yourself. Your second to last sentence has at least two errors that I see.

Wallythewalrus 2 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, a one hundred dollar bond, posted. Now he can go punch the dude that alleged he was consuming behind locked and closed doors. What a horrible crime. Shame on Mr. Delaney. (And may I remark on what a nice Irish name that is.)

maisy 2 years, 5 months ago

Unbelievable! Did anyone stop to think that maybe someone in Baldwin is doing their job? You may think that the PD has a "bone to pick" with someone but maybe they are just doing their job.

devilsrighthandman 2 years, 5 months ago

This kind of thing happens all the time in Lawrence and the LPD do patrol for "after hours" in all bars. They are really very serious about this and will ticket/arrest. This is a Kansas liqour law regulated by the ABC. If the"property" is licensed to sell liquor/beer then it is bound by the 2am rule. You can buy and take to some other place and drink until your heart is content, but the "property" is regulated by the license. This is supposed to keep people from drinking too much I guess.

devilsrighthandman 2 years, 5 months ago

rando1965 2 years, 5 months ago

not up on all the fine print of the law but if he went to the liquor store and bought a bottle for himself and not the bar for an employee christmas party was not drinking the liquor from the bar is that still a crime ? come on his employees have to be able to party sometime.

bsmom 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes. That is also a violation. You can't bring any outside liquor in to drink. At all.

The fact is, anyone who works in a bar knows these laws. They know they can be caught and be in trouble for violating them. It doesn't matter how stupid we think these laws are, they ARE.

Peacemaker452 2 years, 5 months ago

Perfect case for jury nullification.

whats_going_on 2 years, 5 months ago

lol I know of several bars here in town where the employees do this. Heck, I've even joined them time to time without working there. Who cares?

Shardwurm 2 years, 5 months ago

I wish some legislator would have the guts to champion the cause of bringing Kansas' liquor laws out of the 1970s (It was the 1940s before allowing liquor sales on Sundays).

Why don't we just copy and past Missouri's laws? They seem to have a clue.

kernal 2 years, 5 months ago

I take it you're too young to know the KS liquor laws of the 1970s? You could only buy 3.2 beer in bars. There was no liquor by the drink, not even in restaurants. Only private clubs, such as country clubs, could serve liquor at meals and only if it was from your own private stock that you kept at the club. You had to keep your stock at the club, you couldn't take it home then bring it back once it was open. The only reason KS changed the liquor law was for the revenue.

rando1965 2 years, 5 months ago

open the bars at 7am so i don't have to wait 2 hours after i get off work for a drink.

kernal 2 years, 5 months ago

That's just sad.

Dover 2 years, 5 months ago

Why? Lots of folks go out for a drink after their shift is over.

Pywacket 2 years, 5 months ago

Apparently, you're biased against those who work the night shift. 7:00 a.m. is their evening. Would you rather they started at 8 or 9 p.m. then went to work under the influence? Or are night workers supposed to be teetotalers so as not to offend your delicate sensibilities?

I had a night job when I was very young and (because I lived in a state with logical liquor laws) my friends and I often "opened up the bar," had a few drinks, played the jukebox, snagged some doughnuts from the next-door bakery (BONUS to having morning and evening reversed), then went home to sleep for the day.

I can't recall anyone from that crowd who became a pathetic alcoholic--and I doubt we were any more or less likely to develop a drinking problem than someone who hits a watering hole in the evening might be.

QuiviraTrail 2 years, 5 months ago

Baldwin used to be a "dry" town due to the influence of the Methodists at BU.

Judgesmails 2 years, 5 months ago

Totally ridiculous!

The owner should be able to have a beer in his own bar after closing, as long as he's not selling.

Nice job, Chief! Way to clean up the mean streets of B.C.!

pizzapete 2 years, 5 months ago

If you're drinking behind closed doors, how can the cops prove you're breaking the law? Did he answer the door with a drink in his hand? And if so, I think you'd answer, oh this, I'm just cleaning up.

amesn 2 years, 5 months ago

@ kernal. Thanks for the history lesson on the 1970's liquor laws. I had no idea there used to be so many piddly little stipulations when it came to having a daggone jack and coke! Heck, let's just go back to prohibition days and be done with it! But legalize marijuana instead! Free the weed!