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76-year-old cyclist injured after crash with car on Kasold Drive

December 16, 2010

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A 76-year-old man was taken to the hospital Thursday afternoon after an accident involving a bicycle and a car near 14th Street and Kasold Drive.

According to Lawrence police, just before 2 p.m. the 76-year-old man tried to change lanes on his bicycle while headed south on Kasold and pulled in front of a southbound Toyota Sedan, driven by an 89-year-old Lawrence man.

Kim Murphree, a Lawrence police spokeswoman, said the bicyclist had to be taken to a local hospital by ambulance. She said the 76-year-old man’s injuries were not believed to be life-threatening.

Information about the man’s hometown was not available Thursday afternoon, Murphree said.

Comments

obamarocks 4 years, 7 months ago

That's 165 years worth of age. Neither of them should probably have been be on the road.

Iam Tired 4 years, 7 months ago

Regardless of age, it is not uncommon to see bicyclists not follow the rules of the road.

parrothead8 4 years, 7 months ago

Regardless of age, it is not uncommon to see automobile drivers not follow the rules of the road.

parrothead8 4 years, 7 months ago

Your comment was not directed at "the bicyclist" in this story, it was directed at all cyclists who do not follow the rules of the road. Likewise, my comment was directed at all automobile drivers who do not follow the rules of the road.

Very creative way of addressing me...I like it. I may have to adopt that as my new handle.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 7 months ago

it's not just bikes, it's not just cars... it's things with wheels. we need to implement a wheel ban! This is probably the most dangerous invention ever created, and it must be stopped!

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

I wouldn't disagree with either argument, but I still maintain that cyclists don't damage the roadways so their tax rate should be miniscule compared to cars and trucks.

I think most city streets are paid for through property taxes, so unless the person is completely homeless they've paid their share.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

I see drivers break the law on a regular basis - so ban them.

Are you for real?

PalinPalms 4 years, 7 months ago

That's so true, I mean they are like all protected in those styrofoam hats and spandex. Of course they don't worry about the rest of us good Americans. I had one of those two-wheeled commies darn near scratch my Escalade with those stupid little peddles when I was passing through a group of them.

akuna 4 years, 7 months ago

What? This is one ridiculous statement followed by another.

Bikers pay taxes too. Its not like you pay taxes just for the roads you use. Its not like you don't pay taxes if you don't own a car.

The LAW stipulates that roads are intended for both motorized vehicles and bicycles. The roads weren't made just for cars.

Maybe your misconceptions are jading you view toward bicyclists. I can only hope so.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

That's right, it isn't 1890, so why don't you get up to date.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

If your kiddo is as stingy as the parent, I believe it. Too bad no one in your family every learned how to share.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

That's because they don't cause damage to the roads. When was the last time you saw a bike create a pothole, or take out a guardrail?

You bring up an excellent point, since your Escalade or whatever creates more damage to the roads than my vehicle, then you should pay more to use the road than me.

Show me where it says that roads were made for cars.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

Man, you must be really, really impatient. Where are all these huge bike-caused trafiic jams that you speak of?? The only traffic jams I've seen have been caused by cars and farm vehicles. Next time you come up on a cyclist on the road, why don't you time how long it takes you to get around them. 5 seconds, I bet. Dang, dude, that's truly serious. I've spent way longer than that stuck behind farm vehicles on the highway. Heck, the last time I was out cycling I actually passed a tractor. Ban the tractors! Ban the crop sprayers! The Whirl is late for work, by god.

I'm guessing from your temperament that you're probably not above engagng in road rage when the situation arises. If I'm wrong, my apologies. Just an observation - I've noticed that the drivers who are always in the biggest by-god hurry to get somewhere always seem to have the time to pull over and engage in a fistfight or shouting match when someone crosses them up. Try chilling out a little.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

If it's a public space, and it is legally allowed... YES. What don't you get about that? Your analogy about breaking into private residences is LAME.

Once again, you generalize - a few bikers break the rules so you say they should all be banned. Drivers break rukes, too, so by your own argument, the only solution is to ban THEM also.

Are you ever embarrassed to come on here and advertise what a stingy, cheapskate you are?? If you can't accept the concept of public space I suggest you go buy your own island and live by your own miserable self.

christy kennedy 4 years, 7 months ago

True, but drivers, cyclists, pedestrians—even those who are cautious and follow all rules—make mistakes.

ac·ci·dent: an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss;

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes.

But a very small minority of cyclists I see on the road actually follow the rules.

Hardly any stop at stop signs when they're supposed to do so.

Hardly any signal their turns.

A significant number don't ride on the right single file.

Etc.

And, in addition, they seem to have an attitude about it.

pace 4 years, 7 months ago

there is one obvious solution. You must get on the free ride. It isn't fair , they all get to ride free. you should get to ride free too.Show them how it should be done.They will worship you. Your proper bike practices will become hot blog topics. They will tweet, did you hear about Jafs the bicyclist. He always remains in lane. Then when you speak of how to ride a bike , all will listen. Unless you start making out all the drivers are bad, not paying attention, turning right into bikes and pedestrians without looking. speeding, running yellow lights even red, not using turn signals when changing lanes. tail gating. I wouldn't urge you to become a pedestrians they are tougher than squirrels.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Many drivers in this town are also not great about following the rules of the road.

What's your point?

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Actually, all taxpaying citizens are probably paying for roads in one way or another.

Car drivers do pay registration and property taxes on their vehicles and bikers don't - that is true.

parrothead8 4 years, 7 months ago

The point that is missed is the point that YOU are missing: Cyclists pay taxes, just like everyone else.

99% of cyclists also own cars and buy gas. They pay property taxes, income taxes, and sales taxes.

Show me proof that "bikers don't pay taxes on roads." Oh, that's right...you can't.

devobrun 4 years, 7 months ago

All injuries to a 76 year old man are life threatening. Infection, kidney failure. Reduced exercise and mobility, pneumonia. Blood clots.

It's too bad. I hope he recovers.....and starts swimming.

janetw 4 years, 7 months ago

I pray that I am driving and bike riding at those ages. Power to the people.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 7 months ago

maybe because that's one of the few things that are still free to do in America.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 7 months ago

don't you realize that just because someone is on a bicycle, doesn't mean that they never drive a car. are you really that obtuse?

Kirk Larson 4 years, 7 months ago

My mother is 80 years old (81 in February). She still rides her bicycle every day and walks miles as well and dances for hours. I hope I age as well as her (I ride every day in her honor). Our nation is becoming fat, lazy, and stupid. Our cars have to be huge to accommodate the size of our a$$es. Bicycles are one of the technologies that can help save us from ourselves.

Christine Davisson 4 years, 7 months ago

Thank you Cappy! So many people complain about bikers on here while sitting on their butts. Our nation is the fattest and laziest, and the people who complain about an 79 year old man biking should only strive to do the same. I was out biking yesterday (a commute to work then a pleasure ride) and saw a seventy something pass by me, I waved and thought to myself I hope that is me in 40 years.

pace 4 years, 7 months ago

Good for her, more people should leave their cars at home, at least some of the time, and ride a bike. It is lovely that your mom is so eager to live her life well. She is enjoying herself, taking care of herself and helping reduce pollution. She is a doer.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Well, if people drove cars more responsibly, then bikers and pedestrians wouldn't be that vulnerable.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Obviously there are bikers who don't take proper precautions.

You seem very obsessed with car ownership though - why is that such a big deal for you?

cozy 4 years, 7 months ago

I think you forgot the point of the story that the bike pulled out in front of the car.........?

cozy 4 years, 7 months ago

that was in response to:

jafs (anonymous) replies…

Well, if people drove cars more responsibly, then bikers and pedestrians wouldn't be that vulnerable.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

And my post was in response to Whirl's - suggesting that riding a bike is going to lead inevitably to getting run over and winding up in a hospital.

I am equally critical of bikers and car drivers that act irresponsibly.

But Whirl seems to be willfully ignorant of errors among auto drivers.

pace 4 years, 7 months ago

I blame the parents. Did the parents even care that one was joy riding and the other hot rodding for god know what reason. If the parents had done their job this would never have happened.

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

Gotta feel bad for the driver. Must be horrible to have to give up your freedom to get around town on your own steam. At 89, one just does not have the reflexes of an 80 year old.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

Uniku 7:45 FTW! LOL!


According to Lawrence police, just before 2 p.m. the 76-year-old man tried to change lanes on his bicycle while headed south on Kasold and pulled in front of a southbound Toyota Sedan, driven by an 89-year-old Lawrence man.

---hey! good on the 76-year-oldster for even being out thar on the bike! but maybe his vision/reaction time isn't up to it now?

reminds me of an episode of something on TrueTV, a guy was arrested for drunk driving, he was driving a golfcart. his comment: "I'm too drunk to drive a car, so I'm driving a golf cart instead!"

76YO: "I'm too old to drive a car so I'm riding a bike ..." ?

hope he recovers and stays safer from here on. indeed: d--n kids!

what's the matter with kids today? why can't they be like we were? perfect in every way!

topeka52 4 years, 7 months ago

Bearded Gnome, the simple fact that you say you watch True TV speakes volumes

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

probably psychoactive chemicals but I was thinking, wondering: was 76YO cyclist biking in ... bright colored spandex shorts???

... sorry, like I said I disclaim all responsibility for this one! just gotta be the chemicals mann.

or, lol, maybe 76YO cyclist was trying to text while biking? and at the same time he was listening to grunge metal?

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm glad you brought that up. The 76 yo in spandex, and all those other spandex/speedo bike riding freaks ought to have a license for the privilege of using public roadway. And follow same rules as other moving vehicles.

Why don't bicycles have license plates?

christy kennedy 4 years, 7 months ago

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?? Here's a trick you should try (it can be used in many other situations): If you're incapable of empathy and stupid enough to not withhold judgment when you have little or no information, try thinking of someone you know and care about (in this case someone in their 70s or 80s) and them imagine them in place of the real people involved. Did you have grandparents? Can you imagine being proud of one of them who's stayed fit by cycling and then can you imagine them (remember, this is someone you love) being involved in a serious accident? And that's what it was. An accident. People your age are involved in accidents all the time, remember? It only takes a second and one instance of not seeing something or a bit of misjudgment for something awful like this to happen. This cyclist is likely in better shape than any of you and thank god because it will help him recover faster. Maybe you jackasses with brains that go straight to stupid jokes about the misfortune of others could just pause for a second and think, and then send best wishes to everyone involved. Since you didn't get any of this, I'll tell you. There's a lot of pain and suffering involved for the cyclist and his family and for the driver. And that you find it all funny is pathetic.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

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Kelly Johnson 4 years, 7 months ago

I bet that 89 yr old guy was from Topeka. That's where all the trouble makers are from.

Alceste 4 years, 7 months ago

There's no ageism in Lawrence. Nope. Doesn't exist. We're a diverse community and embrace all ages. Right. Uh huh.....

Kontum1972 4 years, 7 months ago

they said the Woman involved was a former manager of the team...hmmm...little future gold digging here...

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

Most of the older gents I've seen riding around town wear helmets. I've only seen one who doesn't , but I'm pretty sure he would not have been out on Kasold.

gphawk89 4 years, 7 months ago

I'll be thankful if I'm physically/mentally capable of riding a bike at 76 or driving a car at 89...

Rick Aldrich 4 years, 7 months ago

If the bike rider is at fault, I hope he has the means to repair any damage he did to the car. Share the road, share the rules.

Kevin Enos 4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

I'd be interested in some statistics about hit and run accidents - how many are committed by cyclists and how many by automobile drivers.

Also, what kind of injuries/deaths were involved in each case.

I agree, though, that many bikers seem to have some odd attitudes.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

No info about the stats though, huh.

I'd venture an educated guess that automobile drivers are responsible for many more hit and run accidents, and that they have much more serious consequences, involving injury and loss of life and much more serious property damage, than bikers.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Nice way to sidestep the point.

Pedestrians and bicyclists have a legal right to use the roads as well as automobiles.

And, the point was that a biker putting a little dent in your car is a very minor (and probably rare) occurrence, and that automobiles are capable of and responsible for many more serious accidents and consequences.

There are many tragic stories about people killed in car crashes.

Why are you so obsessed with your car?

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

If you don't like the laws allowing bicylists to ride on the roads, then you could always lobby legislators to change those laws.

Until then, it's legal, and letting your kids, etc. isn't.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Well, I'm pretty sure we can rule texting out as a cause of the accident.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

topeka52 (anonymous) replies …

Bearded Gnome, the simple fact that you say you watch True TV speakes volumes

December 17, 2010 at 11:53 a.m.

---well the fact you have "topeka" in your screen name might speak volumes too.

it's called humor, try it some time. looks like you desperately need some!

someone once said something like this: God created the lower half of the IQ curve to amuse the rest of us.

just quoting. does that also apply to you Topeka52?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

looks like Bean knows or is mr. 76YO cyclist.

first, I do want to say I hope you Bean or your friend is recovering well second, the article reads in such a way indicating that you/he is at fault. that's why I wondered about cyclist's vision/reaction time.


watch it Pacie, your humor is typing somebody, you act like you know somebody there , LOL! [for context, ref the 71-YO Hutchinson gramma who clouted her attacker with a cooking utensil presumed to be a traditional big ol' cast iron fry pan]

pace 4 years, 7 months ago

You watch it Gnomie. Someone might accuse you of actually knowing something about this topic. But I would not say that about you, it wouldn't be right. Warning, Boo, I was hoping we would hear if the cyclist was ok. 15th. and Kasold is a hotbed of wonderful elderly people.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

Pace: I was hoping we would hear if the cyclist was ok. 15th. and Kasold is a hotbed of wonderful elderly people.

---"hotbed?" yeah, one of them derned rebellious pimple-faced seniors with their rock and roll and their rolled up t-shirt sleeves might just bust out and make some more trouble!
... be afraid. ... be very afraid.

---Pace, I also hoped for some update on his condition. the article does at least imply that the cyclist is at fault.
if he's been biking for long he's handling this recovery better than he otherwise would.

as to knowing something about this or other topics in the news, well Pacie you'd be surprised.

I have posted repeatedly on the need for DL testing of seniors beyond a certain age because of their aging senses and slowing reaction times. say test seniors every other year when they're over age 65?

pace 4 years, 7 months ago

Gnomie, You can trust me,I would be stunned. I have no reason to ever say you have secret inside knowledge about what you are saying. I know you are good about talking about how you really feel. I do not agree that money should be spared to test people in their sixties ever other year for their reaction times but bless you for thinking about people rather than practical realities. We actually agree a little, I think there should a more checks in the system to block bad drivers.If you call in a drunk driver, you are told there is nothing they can do. well maybe there should be. Some communities have developed methods that gets some of the idiots off the road. There is a local driving school that promises to get their clients to license. I have seen so many bad driver of all ages in this town. I am not as worried as you by the winkled ones, I am more concerned with faster, ignorant and/or oblivious of road rules.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Many bikers, in fact, most of those I see on the roads do not follow the rules they are supposed to follow.

A couple of nights ago, there were two bikers who were sort of on the right side of the lane, although they could and should have been farther over - without warning, one of them just slid over to the center of the lane, then made a cursory wave of her right hand (not a clear and strong signal), after which they both, riding side by side turned right at the intersection.

The right thing for them to do would have been to be riding single file farther to the right, clearly and strongly signaled their intention to turn, and turned in single file.

And obviously sliding over into the middle of the lane without warning is stupid, dangerous and rude, as well as being against the rules of the road.

cozy 4 years, 7 months ago

I had some idiot on a bicycle make the wrong hand signal while they were in the right lane to go across my lane to get in the left turn lane. I had to hit the brakes to avoid the moron.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

I didn't say "all" I said "many".

And in my experience, the vast majority of bicyclists I see on the roads are not acting legally or responsibly.

It was just one example - I could offer many more if you're interested.

lawrencenerd 4 years, 7 months ago

You do know that bicycles are entitled to a full lane? Seems people think the law is for a bicycle to ride on the shoulder, but that simply isn't true. The reason bicyclists don't get ticketed for taking up a full lane of traffic is because it is perfectly legal.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

My understanding of the relevant statute is that when riding at a speed slower than the cars are going, that bicyclists are supposed to ride as far to the right as is practicable, and in single file.

Riding two abreast in the middle of the road is not correct.

I wish I had the statute number handy, but I'm sure a quick google search will find it.

And, they're supposed to signal their turns, stop at stop signs, etc. which they almost never do, in my experience.

lawrencenerd 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm wondering how many of the same people that want to eliminate public transit in Lawrence are also complaining about cyclists using the roads.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 7 months ago

pace: to block bad drivers.If you call in a drunk driver, you are told there is nothing they can do. well maybe there should be. Some communities have developed methods that gets some of the idiots off the road. There is a local driving school that promises to get their clients to license. I have seen so many bad driver of all ages in this town. I am not as worried as you by the winkled ones, I am more concerned with faster, ignorant and/or oblivious of road rules.

---Pacie, my father died a drunk driver. I am a frequent pedestrian on the streets of lawrence. you think I don't care about drivers?

"winkled ones" as impaired drivers do pose a problem now, and it'll get far worse in the next several years because of demographics.
but please try to keep your focus. the article (once again) says that the 76-YO pulled out in front of the other guy. cyclist's impairment is a reasonable question.
merry Christmas.

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