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Driver tells police she was texting before Tuesday accident that injured scooter driver, tied up rush hour traffic

December 8, 2010

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Lawrence police say a Baldwin City woman was apparently texting while driving when her car struck a Vespa scooter Tuesday during rush hour on Iowa Street.

Car-scooter accident

Sgt. Matt Sarna, a police spokesman, said 21-year-old Amanda Hershberger was cited for inattentive driving in the 5:15 p.m. accident that caused a major traffic tie-up in the area.

Sarna said John Debrick, 23, Lawrence, used his scooter’s signal and was attempting to turn left from the inside lane of northbound Iowa Street onto Orchard Lane, which is south of Harvard Road. Hershberger’s car rear-ended the scooter, and Debrick was thrown from the Vespa.

Debrick was taken to Lawrence Memorial Hospital. His injuries were not believed to be life threatening, Sarna said. An LMH spokeswoman said Wednesday he was treated and released.

Hershberger told officers she was texting when the accident occurred, Sarna said.

Comments

fanaddict 4 years, 4 months ago

idiot. Take her lisence away...she's lucky he wasn't killed.

Clickker 4 years, 4 months ago

Everyone does it. What are you supposed to do, not read your text when it comes in? Could be an emegency

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

"Everyone does it." Wrong! "Could be an emegency." Then call 911!

aa469285 4 years, 4 months ago

Please tell me this post is sarcasm...?

BorderRuffian 4 years, 4 months ago

There's no emergency important enough to be worth running someone over. THIS is an acceptible excuse to you? You must think you are awefully important.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 4 years, 4 months ago

Emergency? Like what? "i m running over someone as i text u" Thanks for reminding us of how important texting is to the "ME! Society"

lhs2013 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes. Check your text while driving, and endanger the life of many others. If it's such an "emergency" they can call you, and you can put the phone on speaker.

Kris_H 4 years, 4 months ago

Or if you get a text and you have reason to believe there might be an emergency, pull the hell over and deal with it.

There is no more excuse for texting while driving than there is for reading a novel or watching a movie while driving.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

My "Sarcas-o-meter" is certainly pegging right now.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

"Inattentive driving" is a very minor traffic infraction. I could be wrong, but I don't think it even shows up on your driving record.

It's my opinion that if California can make it illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving, then Kansas can make it illegal to text while driving.

jehovah_bob 4 years, 4 months ago

It is state law, signed in this year, but doesn't go into effect until Jan 1.

http://www.drivinglaws.org/kansas.php

doc1 4 years, 4 months ago

All thats going to do is make people lie about what they were doing. It's going to be hard to prove unless they are dumb enough to admit it.

akuna 4 years, 4 months ago

It shouldn't be too hard to prove. Your texts are timestamped.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 4 months ago

However, if someone is pulled over in traffic for texting, there is no way that a cop can take your phone and browse through it; and there is very little chance that a judge will issue a search warrant to look through your phone records.

If the police would continue to just enforce it as purely inattentive driving, then there is no need for this additional law or the ridiculous measures the law will have to go through to prove anything.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

How is there no way a cop can take your phone and browse through it at the scene if you are pulled over for texting and driving? If that's what you're pulled over for wouldn't that give the cop probably cause to have a look at the phone?

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Or probable cause. That's what it would give.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 4 months ago

because that's an invasion of privacy. our phones have far too much personal information on them for a police officer to take it upon themselves to browse through it.

probable cause...perhaps, but that's usually limited to a search of your car or a pat down.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe not every single thing on every single app that you might have on the phone, but I could see checking time of sent and received messages only being covered. I've been both patted down and had my car searched after having been pulled over before (blasted Columbia, MO cops...) and would actually consider being asked to show an officer my sent/received message log less invasive than either of those.

aa469285 4 years, 4 months ago

It's not really the officer at the scene one needs to be worried about. All he/she can do is issue a ticket. However, if the scooter driver sues this girl, the prosecuting attorney can and would absolutely subpoena the girl's phone records. But that probably won't happen since the driver was treated and released. However, if he had been seriously injured, then it's another story.

Lisa Rasor 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually, you'd be smart to go ahead and admit it. If you cause an accident, law enforcement will ask for your phone records. If you refuse, they will subpoena them and they'll get them. If you lied at the scene about texting, you'll be found out and extra charges may be levied.

Icy_Flame48 4 years, 4 months ago

I seriously can't imagine the cops asking to see your phone. When you consider how many other things a cop has got going on when he pulls someone over or is responding to an accident. I think texting will be similarly enforced as the seat belt law.

Steve Bunch 4 years, 4 months ago

Text is a noun. Beyond that, the driver is a moron, and a dangerous one at that.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

You're correct about the word "text" being a noun. But, language is a dynamic, changing thing, and is defined by its common usage. "Text" is already in common usage as a verb, and the English language has conjugation rules well defined for its usage as such.

So, I'm quite sure that someday soon dictionaries will define its usage as a verb.

Adrienne Sanders 4 years, 4 months ago

I have a linguistics degree, and to quote one of my professors, "You can verbize anything." It's a lovely feature of the English language. Some people just don't like change.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Watch out! Alf is on the prowl, and you misspelled "verbalize!" Or, did your professor say it that way in the first place?

Adrienne Sanders 4 years, 4 months ago

No, he said "verbize", which is why I typed verbize.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

I had to look that up! "Verbize" is in the Urban Dictionary, so it's an actual word! I didn't know that! You'll have to excuse me, because when I was in college I only took one three hour course in English and I only got a C.

Kris_H 4 years, 4 months ago

I've heard it said "verbing," too. Im in ur dicktionery verbing ur nounz.

littlexav 4 years, 4 months ago

they've already made "gift" a verb... that the same will be true of "text" is inevitable.

wmathews 4 years, 4 months ago

The AP Stylebook rule on texting is this:

"text, texting, texted — Acceptable in all usages as a verb for to send a text message"

Whitney Mathews Assistant Community Editor for Online

Steve Bunch 4 years, 4 months ago

That doesn't mean that we have to accept it. Descriptive grammar is a slippery slope.

akhmatova 4 years, 4 months ago

That's ridiculous. It's just derivational morphology and enriches a language's descriptiveness.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Textism (new word, noun) definition: a) prejudice towards those who text at inappropriate times, or b) prejudice towards those who misuse the word "text".

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Whoops! "Textism" is not a new word at all!

From the Urban Dictionary: textism: Pneumonic devices or shortening of words into text form such as LOL, OMG, TTYL, L8R, H8, luv, ect.

booyalab 4 years, 4 months ago

What does the AP stylebook have to say on the acceptability of "for to".

Sounds more like something you'd see in the redneck stylebook. "Yeyah, I got me this here Remington for to go huntin' some squirrels from the front porch."

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

Why don't you out of touch, off topic eggheads take this silly A-- discussion elsewhere.

John Spencer 4 years, 4 months ago

I think, for this article, you mean Text, Texting, Texted... CRASH.

TheStonesSuck 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't understand why you guys think it should be criminalized...anyone who gets injured by someone in this manner can already sue them in civil court for damages

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

It really shouldn't be considered any different than drunk driving, running stop signs, or speeding, I don't think.

Plus, if a law is broken it's much easier to successfully sue.

BorderRuffian 4 years, 4 months ago

This is even dumber than the earlier one. OF COURSE being able to sue someone makes it a good and rightful thing to run them down with a motor vehicle. What were we thinking? This was a willful act of extreme negligence and wanton disregard for human life and limb. The real, correct answer to this situation would be for young Amanda to have made the decision to pay attention to driving her vehicle in such a manner that no one is at risk as a result of her poor decisions. Where is the accountability here? So many seem to think that they should not really have to be responsible for how their actions and behaviors affect other people.

Clickker 4 years, 4 months ago

I know everyone seems to be doing it, its the "in" thing...but I dont do it.

What about all the folks lighting cigarettes while driving? Then basically holding a piece of weed that is actually on fire for 7-8 minutes while driving? Unreal And some of the new radios and ipods that kids adjust while driving are so complicated that they take your view off the road. At least with texting, you can hold your phone in front of you and see the road too. Not saying its right, its just less of a bad thing in my opinion

Steve Bunch 4 years, 4 months ago

"Its" is possessive. You want the contraction, "It's." Play on.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm not amazed by that at all...people do it here all the time.

Carol Bowen 4 years, 4 months ago

new York City and Chicago also do not allow drivers to use cell phones. The law against texting is lame. There already is research that indicates that drivers using cell phones are significantly less attentive than drunk drivers. It was in the news a while back. The difference is in the interaction that is occupying the drivers attention. A cigarette gives minimal interaction ... unless you drop it, of course.

Your argument is youthful and not realistic. Drivers who use cell phones while driving put many people at risk including themselves. Please stop. It's not worth the possible consequences.

Stuart Evans 4 years, 4 months ago

I'd wager that most of the people who text and drive, are also youthful and/or not realistic.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 4 years, 4 months ago

If you hold your phone in front of you, so you can see while texting, could I punch you in the face before you move out of the way? I doubt it. Your scenario is a wreck waiting to happen.

Blessed4x 4 years, 4 months ago

The real crime here is some dude was driving a Vespa scooter. No way to come back from that when the guys at work find out.

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

Texting is not just for kids anymore. I can not tell you how many times I have seen "Sally the Soccer Mom" speeding down the road (drive past St. John's in the A.M. when the 20mph light is flashing) texting and almost hitting parked cars or cars in the othe lane while texting. "Billy the Bro-man" will come flying by too while texting or talking on his phone and eating some form of animal by-product.

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

if it would of been a city official...or one of their kids what do u think the outcome would be?

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Alf - I got three here, what do you get?

Steve Bunch 4 years, 4 months ago

Not counting punctuation, I got three, too.

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

And I got two complete dorks here playing the english police.

1029 4 years, 4 months ago

The only reasonable punishment for this type of crime is to cut off both thumbs.

Bud Stagg 4 years, 4 months ago

How did I survive all those years driving without a cell phone? I used to be a traveling salesman, I had to stop at payphones to check in with the office.

I say pass a law so that it costs $500 the first time, $5000 on the second. It simply is not a neccessary part of driving. Quit screwing around and pass laws that actually accomplish the goal, NO TEXTING WHILE DRIVING!

pizzapete 4 years, 4 months ago

Good point. We humans have lived successfully for hundreds of years without cell phones. There is no reason one needs to be talking or texting while driving.

parrothead8 4 years, 4 months ago

Humans survived for a long time without air conditioning, too. Should we get rid of that? How about cars? Books? TV?

Lisa Rasor 4 years, 4 months ago

How about we don't go to extremes? There's no reason having a cell phone and also driving a car can't co-exist if people are SENSIBLE. If you get a text/need to send a text, take the ten seconds needed to pull into a parking lot and stop driving. Then do what you need to do with your cell phone, and resume driving when you're done. It may delay you by a couple of minutes, that's all.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

A friend of mine lives just over the crest of a hill here in town, and the road curves in front of his house. Almost every year there is an accident there, and yes, at least one that I know of was fatal.

The speed limit there is 30 mph, and 20 mph is recommended. The reality check is that at about 40 - 50 mph you will become airborne over the curve. As an aside, for the fatal accident the car's estimated speed was 70 mph, and the length of the car's trajectory was estimated to be 50 - 70 feet, but that had nothing to do with texting.

The latest accident there was last year. My friend and his family heard a big crash at about 2 AM, and discovered that a car had collided with the light pole in his front yard.

According to the police report, her explanation for the accident was: "she was texting and she didn't know the road curved."

She was cited for: 1) Inattentive driving 2) DUI 3) Leaving the scene of an accident.

There are 4 possible morals to that young woman's story. They are: 1) Memorize where the road curves before you text. 2) Don't text while you are driving. 3) Don't drive while you are intoxicated. 3) Don't leave the scene of an accident.

meggers 4 years, 4 months ago

Based on a couple of other recent incidents, I suspect some might find it's in their best interests to combine 3 and 4:

3) Don't leave the scene of an accident unless you are intoxicated

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Good point! Maybe that was a Freudian typo!

kernal 4 years, 4 months ago

Okay, now that she's been bashed into a flat heap:

Good for you, Amanda, for being honest about it so others might realize why legislation was passed against it. Glad no one was critically hurt as that would have been horrific for you, as well.

candyapplered 4 years, 4 months ago

I text and drive all the time, but I live out in the country where all you have to do is look up every few seconds and keep on the right side of the road. How hard is that? And I have a text phone that makes tying a lot easier. I would never be caught dead texting in traffic in the city. That is just plain stupid.

monheim 4 years, 4 months ago

HAhaha! Good luck to ya! You're gonna need it...

seriouscat 4 years, 4 months ago

"I would never be caught dead texting...."

statistics say that it will be the other person who dies, not you.

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grimpeur 4 years, 4 months ago

The city needs to ban cell use by motorists. The police should check phone records automatically in accidents. The fine should be in the hundreds of dollars for the first offense. Thousands for the second.

There is absolutely no justification, no excuse, and no rationale for endangering one's fellow road users with these toys. None. End this madness.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

You're clearly unaware of the studies that have shown that texting while driving impairs one's driving ability more than drinking and driving does.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

I hope when you do, somebody doesn't die or get seriously injured.

Just curious - how old are you?

And, I challenge you on your statement that some people drive better when they're "a little buzzed".

There is concrete evidence that drinking impairs reaction time, etc.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

Daddy always told me you can't fix stupid. Ignorant and selfish? I guess we'll find out. I certainly hope that when your luck runs out, it's a light pole or some other inanimate object around which you wrap your car. Or better yet, pull your head out of your rectum now and figure out that someone else's life is more important than any stupid text you could possibly receive.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually, I'd rather you grow the hell up before you do manage to kill yourself or someone else. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, being so wrapped up in your own little world.

independant1 4 years, 4 months ago

Hershberger told officers she was texting when the accident occurred, Sarna said.

She didn't read the information on the back of her insurance card.

  1. Do not admit fault.

candyapplered 4 years, 4 months ago

Of course everyone was thinking the same thing: why on earth would you ever tell the cops that you were texting right before you ran someone over in traffic? What a complete fool, right? It's not like you can go to hell for lying. (Or can you?) I will pray for everyone involved in this horrible tragedy.

Scruggsy 4 years, 4 months ago

Ban self important scooter drivers on state highways running through town making left hand turns at intersections without a traffic signal!!!!

Jonathan Becker 4 years, 4 months ago

But this world revolves around ME!! My messages, like LOL and LMAO, are sooooooo important that traffic should be banned on the highway when I am driving. That way there won't be any accidents except when I leave the highway.

Scruggsy 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree- no texting, no cell phone calls, hand at 10 and 2. But also please be considerate and have an understanding of what other drivers are doing around you. A scooter at dark, on one of the busiest roads in town, stopped, making a left, when there is a light with a turn lane just ahead, is a really bad idea. Protect yourself before you wreck yourself.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

Candyapplenerd wrote: I text and drive all the time, but I live out in the country where all you have to do is look up every few seconds and keep on the right side of the road.

---just stupid. just stupid, country or city ...

and the Iowa st. driver: you just can't fix stupid. it's not like we haven't had accidents and even deaths in our community already because of distracted drivers doing the texting!
wake up!!


"texting" is an example of something that's happening a lot now, specific within "verbizing," there is a veritable epidemic of nouns becoming verbs.

my favorite: "partnered ... "
as in "our agency partnered with Kaw Valley salvage and zenn ..."

whenever I hear that I translate and think "part nerd."

in recent use I've also seen "suicided."

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Suicided is actually a word! from Merriam Webster: Definition of SUICIDE suicided, suiciding intransitive verb : to commit suicide transitive verb: to put (oneself) to death

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

So, I can save one word by pointing out the very real actual fact that "my brother suicided," instead of having to say "my brother committed suicide."

It does sound weird though.

Lisa Rasor 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually, a better way to phrase it would be "my brother died by suicide." The word "commit" is very loaded--one commits crimes, one commits murder, one is committed to an institution.... It's preferable and KINDER to say, "he died, by suicide."

deec 4 years, 4 months ago

I think it depends on your perspective. Since suicide is, I think, technically illegal, and considered a grave sin to some religions, perhaps "committed" is more accurate semantically.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 4 months ago

Again from Merriam Webster: Definition of PARTNER transitive verb 1: to join or associate with another as partner 2: to provide with a partner intransitive verb: to join as a partner Examples of PARTNER 1. The sporting goods store partnered with the newspaper to sponsor the road race. 2. She partnered with her sister, and they opened a candy shop together.

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

GN The conjugation "suicided" has been used in the business for yrs. and yrs.

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conservative 4 years, 4 months ago

Would it have made the news if she admitted she was busy eating fries? Changing the radio station? Talking to the person in the backseat? Sorry yes texting while the car is moving is dangerous, but hardly more than common activities that most people who have a chip on their shoulder about texting do all the time. Just enforce the inattentive driving laws that are already on the books and stop worrying about writing a new one for something already covered.

Hoots 4 years, 4 months ago

Most people can sneak a fry out of the bag without taking their eyes off the road. Eating and driving is still a bad idea though.

grimpeur 4 years, 4 months ago

100% wrong and a perfect poster child for the self-important fashionistas playing with their toys behind the wheel. Texting and talking on the phone are both far more dangerous and distracting than the other activities so frequently thrown out for comparison. Fail.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Studies have shown that texting while driving leads to impairment of driving skills that is worse than the impairment caused by drunk driving.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe people should drive more attentively, and not text while doing so.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 4 months ago

yo Ron, bet those weren't listed as verbs a few years ago.

yes, "suicided" sounds pretty bad.

Hoots 4 years, 4 months ago

Why do these blogs always end up in some deep debate over the English language? Over half the posts here were worthless and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Doubt people need any more of that hated English teacher they had at some point. Just a bore and then some. Poor kid could have been killed so easily and people want to talk verb vs. noun usage. Really??? There are more than a few adjectives and adverbs for all this.

deec 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe some of us just love the mother tongue and are fascinated or repulsed by the evolution of it.

BorderRuffian 4 years, 4 months ago

Back to the article again - it seems that even in news articles we can't bring ourselves to name names and commit to the truth. Case in point: "Lawrence police say a Baldwin City woman was apparently texting while driving when her car struck a Vespa scooter Tuesday during rush hour on Iowa Street."

Point one: "her car struck a..." NO! She drove her car into and over the victim. It wasn't her car's fault, she was driving it. Tell it like it happened. Amanda Hershberger (allegedly, for all you legal students) ran over a Vespa scooter.

Point two: there was a real person, a victim, who was struck or run over. His name is John Debrick. To tell the story from the point of view that Amanda's car simply struck a Vespa scooter minimizes what actually happened and makes the whole thing seem almost OK. What happened is that with little regard for the consequences, Amanda, while paying more attention to texting than to her driving, drove her motor vehicle into, and injured, John Debrick - who was riding a Vespa scooter. Even the inclusion, in the news article, that it was rush hour, seems to infer one more excuse why it really wasn't so much young Amanda's fault as the circumstances surrounding the incident.

This is our problem - no one seems to think they should be responsible for their actions. Wake up, people! Own what you do! Take other people's well-being into consideration whenever you make decisions that are apt to involve them. Amanda surely did not!

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege.

And it comes with associated responsibilities.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

Please please please tell me that you are really not this ridiculously self centered and stupid, and that your posts are just being sarcastic. You think having an accident on your record and loosing your driving privilege (yes privilege) really constitutes "ruining your life"? What about the person you hit? What about their injuries? What if they end up with a permanent injury, paralysis or, God forbid, you kill them? How many lives are ruined then? Oh, I forgot, as long as it's not you, who gives a da(r)n? Seriously, unless you are just being sarcastic, you are really a sad, sad excuse for a human being and karma can't bite you in the arse soon enough.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

So all those that "accidentally" kill or seriously injure someone else shouldn't have any consequences from that action?

And, by the way, if you're texting and driving and hit somebody, I wouldn't call that a real "accident" - of course, you didn't do it on purpose, but your actions are inherently negligent.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

Forget it! You seriously just don't get it. Honestly, I hope your luck holds out. But your total disregard for the wellbeing of others is disturbing.

bliddel 4 years, 4 months ago

Amen BorderRuffian, on both counts!. The loss of a limb or an eye may not be life-threatening, but would certainly be life-changing in a very bad way. John is the victim here, not the other cell phone junkies, and Amanda should be held responsible for her actions and her indifference.

Sharon Aikins 4 years, 4 months ago

Some people think they can multi-task at anything. I, for one, don't think driving is the time to try it and find out. We are in control of large machines made of metal that can and do hurt and kill people if operated in an unsafe manner. Nothing is so important it can't wait a few minutes. Or if not, pull off the road and do it. She was probably saying something like "OMG did u c Bob 2day? He looked soooooo HOT!!!!!!" Now that couldn't wait for sure.

geekin_topekan 4 years, 4 months ago

OK, that's residents 2, homeless 0 on the Danger to Society count today.

Jim Robison 4 years, 4 months ago

Of course, police officers drive and use their cellphones and also their dashboard-mounted computers. Maybe the rational for this is because they are better drivers or trained to multi-task?

stealcloud 4 years, 4 months ago

I think its more relevant to say that inattentive driving kills and if someone had been watching the road there wouldn't have been an "accident"

garyr 4 years, 4 months ago

If I need to text while driving, I just have the co-pilot "take the wheel". If for some reason, I don't have a co-pilot, I just steer with my knees. I've never been in an accident, or close to it texting while driving. I may be in the minority, but I don't have a problem with it if you are a responsible texter and driver.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Having a passenger take the wheel and/or steering with your knees is not safe or responsible.

seriouscat 4 years, 4 months ago

Yikes!

I have heard those same exact words coming out of the mouths of people who drink and drive and justify it to themselves because they think that somehow they are special and can drive drunk better than others.

Are you really willing to bet someone else's life or your own life on that assertion?

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

I take issue with the idea that you ever "need" to text while driving. Can you lay out for me a scenario when you actually "need" to text while you're driving? Not one where you might encounter some minor inconvenience like someone you're meeting needs to know that you're running 10 minutes late or something, I mean a scenario where you or someone else might suffer actual adverse effects from your text message not sent a few minutes later when you've arrived at your destination or taken a minute to find a place to pull over.

garyr 4 years, 4 months ago

I am texting and driving right now!

sent from my iphone

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

And clearly that message really needed to be sent!

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Please give me an example of an important text you've received while driving. And no one expects you to drive to a payphone for anything, we just expect you to have some respect for everyone else on the road and give driving the full span of your attention it deserves. By not fiddling with your phone while you're doing it.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Really? You would have lost accounts and had to lay people off because of a few miuntes delay in replying to a text message? I have a hard time believing that.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

True enough, I don't work in business, but you can't take a few seconds to find a place to pull over for a few minutes? I'm not trying to be a nag, I'm genuinely concerned that people don't realize how much of an effect trying to multitask while driving has on how safely they drive. Or if you're one of the few who actually can do it safely you're assuming that everyone else who does it can as well and I've seen enough people make dumb driving mistakes when they're clearly distracted by cell phone related activities to know that's not true.

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

Ya know, you could just have the co-pilot take the phone and take dictation.

seriouscat 4 years, 4 months ago

I found myself hypocritically condemning other people for texting while driving and then using my cell phone whist also driving. It's an easy habit to fall in to. My spouse and I have pledged to each other that we will not use the phone while driving, and are still forgetting and answering it! So now I think I need to just turn it off from now on because I seem to be programmed to want to answer it.

candyapplered 4 years, 4 months ago

Nice one garyr, we should text each other while we're both driving and see how many people get mad at us! ;) What actually causes more wrecks is the dummys who are yelling at me and paying more attention to me texting in my car than their driving theirself. I actually watched someone rear end someone else a few months ago while she was pointing her finger at me yelling at me to stop texting and driving. I hope she didn't get hurt though.

ndmoderate 4 years, 4 months ago

You have to be a troll...but in case you aren't:

  1. The left lane is the fast lane. For passing slower cars. Or moving over because of something on the shoulder. That is all. Traffic would move much more efficiently (since saving time seems to be a concern of yours) if people like you would stay out of the left lane unless you need to use it for what it was designed for.

  2. The only thing a texter is attentive towards is the act of texting. All other things (like driving) become secondary. Period.

I really hope you aren't the cause of some future accident because of your imagined "need" to be hooked to that phone of yours 24/7.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

If you're usually going much faster than other cars, then you're very likely speeding as well as texting while doing so.

You sound like a danger to others on the road to me.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe what we need is some kind of tiered drivers license. If you can pass a texting and driving road test by not taking your eyes off the road and maintaining your non-texting reaction time to light changes, other cars, etc. then you can have special permission to text and drive. You can get a different colored license plate so that people who see you texting and driving can know how awesome you are.

(80% sarcasm/20% serious. I think doing pretty much anything but driving while you're driving is a pretty bad idea. However, I also suspect that plenty of people who think texting/talking on the phone/putting on makeup/whatever else doesn't affect their driving have a skewed perspective and that plenty of people who do these things wouldn't actually be able to pass a test, thus eliminating most of the "But I can do it safely!" crowd.)

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

What do you consider a reasonable consequence would be for her actions that injured another and caused property damage?

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

I have no interest in defending drunk drivers.

The fact is, that the study I read about showed that texting is even worse for one's driving skills - I was trying to make a point for those who seem to think it's fine to text and drive, and that they drive well when doing so.

Many do in fact drive poorly and inattentively, which is a problem.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

Who says all those other things are fine? Generally they're not. I think most people here are arguing that texting is one activity on a long, long list of things that shouldn't be done while driving, not that it's the only relevant distraction there is.

bliddel 4 years, 4 months ago

Hate is not the solution. Draconian laws are not the solution. Education is the solution.

Educate this:

In January 2008, while driving to work, I personally came upon a 16 year old girl who had been texting while driving just a few minutes prior. Now, she was burning to death, trapped in her car underneath an eighteen wheeler that was fully engulfed in flames 20 feet in the air. She had crossed the highway center line. She died at age 16, and it was a horrible way to go. True story.

Anecdotal evidence, you say? Yes, it is. So, anecdote this: It could happen to you. Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Deja Coffin 4 years, 4 months ago

That's a very sad story and I can only hope that one person thinks twice about texting while driving. Okay, maybe hate is the wrong word. I don't text and don't personally believe there are any benefits from texting besides becoming self absorbed, unaccountable people who lack proper social etiquette. Whether you're driving a car, at the dinner table, in a meeting, etc. it's annoying and the sneakier you try to be about sending a text the more obvious it is.

cozy 4 years, 4 months ago

I thought we were getting a middle turn lane in this area to avoid crap like this. Its a daily issue for people trying to turn left from either direction in this area. I have to go out of my way to Harvard road to turn left because I dont feel safe turning left here. For this busy of an area, there has to be a turn lane. I thought there was a neighborhood meeting and everything for this a while ago?

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