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Vigils held in Lawrence, Wichita for Tiller

Mourners gather for a candlelight vigil at a park in Lawrence, Kan., Sunday, May 31, 2009. The vigil was for Dr. George Tiller who was shot to death earlier in the day.

Mourners gather for a candlelight vigil at a park in Lawrence, Kan., Sunday, May 31, 2009. The vigil was for Dr. George Tiller who was shot to death earlier in the day.

May 31, 2009, 3:05 p.m. Updated May 31, 2009, 11:19 p.m.

George Tiller shot to death at church

The man accused of shooting and killing Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller remains in jail.

More than 150 people came to South Park in Lawrence on Sunday night and hundreds turned out in Wichita’s Old Town to remember George Tiller, the late-term abortion provider who’d been at the center of protests for decades and was killed Sunday morning. A five-minute moment of silence was observed at 8:45 p.m. at gatherings around the state.

In Lawrence, Kansas Sen. Marci Francisco and others spoke to a crowd that gathered with candles, some members with white ribbons tied around their arms. Janet FitzGerald brought a sign to the event that equated the man who killed Tiller to a terrorist, hypocrite and coward.

Francisco discussed the stories she had heard about Tiller.

“The stories that I was told were stories of families that he helped,” said Francisco. “Stories about adoptions he had arranged, stories where families were concerned about health of a daughter. I hope that those are the stories that we are telling as we talk to people in these coming weeks.”

Thad Holcombe, minister at Ecumenical Christian Ministries, encouraged those in attendance to “be of good will and seek justice.”

“Be people of peace. Be the ones that witness the compassion. Be the astute ones, the political ones in the midst of our society, challenging those who think otherwise. And always be ones that know we need one another,” Holcombe said.

Among concerns of those at the vigil: Who will pick up where Tiller left off, and what will come next for his supporters.

Jake Lowen, who helped organize the vigil, urged people to consider a role in Tiller’s cause, such as volunteering at a clinic or making a financial contribution to organizations that “support reproductive freedom.”

“Whether it’s simply committing themselves to not being part of the hate that led to Dr. Tiller’s murder today,” said Lowen, “any gesture, however small, I think will have a positive impact.”

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Comments

hwarangdo 4 years, 10 months ago

Paranoia strikes deep ... into your heart it will creep ...

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 10 months ago

HodgePodge (Erin Parmelee) says…

But if I were pro-life I would be infuriated by this horrific crime which is not only inherently opposed to the “pro-life” philosophy, but also sets the whole movement back on a national scale.


Infuriated? No. Think it was really dumb? Yeah. Wrong response to a horrific doctor.

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Pilgrim2 4 years, 10 months ago

classclown (Anonymous) says…

Now that's just stupid. Typical of Lawrence folks to attempt to make a saint out of anybody that dies. Remember what all those dumb kids did to that tree? What are these folks going to pile up to honor Tiller?

Tiller was a nobody in the grand scheme of things. Yet these idiots want to put him up there with Martin Luther King Jr.

How about having vigils for people that actually deserve them for making our world a better place?


Does anybody remember where the dead tree was over by Border's?

You bring the candles, I'll bring the fire hose.

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boy_genius 4 years, 10 months ago

barrypenders: I can't tell if you're serious or not. Women who "like the process of procreating" without liking the ACTUAL procreating have decided to kill someone else to hide the consequences. As for "choosing in China," it works for everyone but the dead babies, huh?

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 10 months ago

I always though tit strange he would locate a late term abortion clinic in Wichita, What is the reasoning. I know it is centrally located but there aren’t many direct flights and it is not cheap to fly in.

It has always been a slap in the face to the people of Kansas.

Why not move it to Los Angels. California needs the revenue.

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Erin Parmelee 4 years, 10 months ago

labmonkey (Anonymous) says…

Also his murderer should get the harshest sentance possible. He has set the Pro-LIFE movement back.


I couldn't agree more, and I am surprised more of the pro-life contingent on here hasn't addressed this. I myself am pro-choice. But if I were pro-life I would be infuriated by this horrific crime which is not only inherently opposed to the "pro-life" philosophy, but also sets the whole movement back on a national scale. Every time something like this happens, it makes it easier and easier to classify the whole group.....

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motocross 4 years, 10 months ago

Tiller was a murderer of the worst kind!! He killed precious babies, to me it's justice finally served. Does the defense side need money?!

WAKE UP!!!

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BigPrune 4 years, 10 months ago

People keep stating these late term abortions Tiller performed were to save the life of a mother - this is not true. Most of these women had emotional reasons for ending their late term pregnancy. It was for their "mental well-being." For example, one woman had a late term abortion because she couldn't run track in school and this was causing too much stress in her life., etc.

His clinic was known worldwide. The majority of his patients were from out of state. It was a multi-million dollar operation. I do not condone his killing at all.

I wonder if prayers were optional at this vigil, being Lawrence and all.

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barrypenders 4 years, 10 months ago

It's so important that women that like the process of procreating be able to choose. Choosing in China works. Man I hope Obama's Universal healthcare includes money for women that like the process of procreating, or that, for some genetic reason, a human baby that is messed up, can choose to start over. Maybe Obama can pay extra for people to train to be a D&C expert.

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storm 4 years, 10 months ago

Keep up the good fight everyone. Remember we fight not for ourselves but for those who can not themselves. Mr. C Send contributions to Peggy Bowman Fund.

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igby 4 years, 10 months ago

Sigmund:

I would of thought that women would want to forget that they had an abortion. Why would they want some thing like this, this is sick.

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couranna1 4 years, 10 months ago

collusion you need to shut your mouth you are an idiot and should just take your crap and fade away

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Hawk6643 4 years, 10 months ago

Sigmund, that process of viewing the baby, ect., is offered in most abortion clinics, not just Tillers.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Keep up the good fight everyone. Remember we fight not for ourselves but for those who can not themselves.

Mr. C

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Sigmund 4 years, 10 months ago

According to Dr. Tillers website (or more precisely googles cache of it), Dr. Tiller offered a "remembrance" of your aborted "baby". I copied this word for word and am quite sure I will be accused of hate mongering for doing so. Either that or JK of he LJW will delete the post for being to insensitive. http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:KG7QEhEgXwwJ:www.drtiller.com/remembrance.html+site:drtiller.com+www.drtiller.com&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

"Many patients request a remembrance of their baby to take home with them. The following lists items and services that some of our previous patients have found helpful in their emotional recovery. Everyone approaches this experience with their own unique emotional, spiritual, and cultural background. There is not right way or wrong way, just "your way". Once the process of healing has begun, you may want to consider a token of the precious time you and your baby had together. All of these features of our program will be discusssed with you while you are with us:

  • Viewing your baby after delivery
  • Holding your baby after delivery
  • Photographs of your baby
  • Baptism of your baby, with or without a certificate
  • Footprints and handprints of your baby
  • Certificate of premature miscarriage
  • Cremation
  • An urn for ashes
  • Arrangement of burial in either Wichita or your home state
  • Arrangement of amniocentesis/autopsy
  • Medical photographsand x-rays for your health care professional

Grief is a very complex emotion which is expressed in many different ways. We will attempt to accommodate your individual requests to the very best of our abilities."

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

After you take your last breath you will have to answer for what you do. What are you a lawyer or police officer or something?

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WhiteDog 4 years, 10 months ago

Mr_Collusion (Anonymous) says… You had better think about it.


That sounds threatening.

Or else what? Someone might shoot him in the face?

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

In all actuality the women who is wanting the abortion is more innocent than the one performing because the women doesn't understand the ramifications of the actions she is appoving of but the abortionists doesn't care what affects, physically and mentally the women will have to endure after the procedure is done. All the abortionist is worried about is getting paid after the procedure.

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Sigmund 4 years, 10 months ago

onceinawhile (Anonymous) says… “To those bringing up how abortion is used as simply a birth control method: What makes people think women WANT to get an abortion?”

justtired (Anonymous) says… "Just remember, women went to him voluntarily."

Well said.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Exactly right justtired. Right to control her body and destiny"....not the childs. You had better think about it.

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demonfury 4 years, 10 months ago

kittycatty26 (Anonymous) says…

If you don't have a womb, your opinion does not count.

So you must reproduce asexually. Last I understood a male sperm was necessary to develope a fetus. Typical extreme left wing, neo-nazi femisnist bitch. You must be the kind of woman that's all for abortion due to your complete inability to actually find a male partner to actually procreate with. I imagine that you are morally reprehensible, intellectually retarded, physically repulsive, and overall not even good enough to make me sick. It's women like you that case men to be violent against women like you. What do you tell a woman like you with two black eyes? Nothing, you already told her twice. As soon as I get a say in the abortion of a child I have made, I will shut up.

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justtired 4 years, 10 months ago

Just remember, women went to him voluntarily. No one was forced to his clinic. A woman has the right to control her body and destiny!

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couranna1 4 years, 10 months ago

neocons and religious rite people suck vigil was cool

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couranna1 4 years, 10 months ago

tunahelper I hope you don't base your comment on that made up version of god in the man made and edited book called the bible caus that dude don't exist

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Sigmund 4 years, 10 months ago

repaste (Anonymous) says… "Why are 95% right wing nuts pro death penalty?"

Actually as of 2004 (the latest Gallup numbers) only 80% of Republicans support the death penalty, but so did 65% of Independants and 58% of Democrats. So all those in favor of the death penalty "right wing nuts" or just the Republicans? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/gallup-poll-who-supports-death-penalty

Pew research found that only a majority of liberal democrats oppose the death penalty but that in every other group a majority favors it including conservative, moderate, and liberal republicans, independents and conservative moderate democrats. http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=272

Further, although support for the death penalty is highest among white evangelical Protestants (74%), even a solid majority of the religiously unaffiliated (59%), still favors capital punishment. http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=272

The women who shot first Dr. Tiller in the arms did not receive the death penalty, she is still in prison. So when will you left wing nut jobs stop your lies and your hate speech? When will you stop the hate mongering against religious white conservative republicans?

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Gloating? If a pro-lifer were taking the time of pleading his or her case on this forum or any others for that matter, I think gloating would be a strong and dangerous word considering what the motive of the pro-lifer is.

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tunahelper 4 years, 10 months ago

remember you silly leftists, when you die, God will certainly have the last laugh!

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igby 4 years, 10 months ago

Mach: Most religious people don't care what you do with your body. Just because this one man killed Tiller for his own satisfaction; like Lennon's killer or JFK's killer; most religious people do not judge society or any person for their sin.

Howbeit a few pro-life activist are gloating no doubt!

May their God be their judge and not mankind.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Because a child in the womb has committed no crime. When one has, then it can be judged but I'm pretty sure there hasn't in the history of this world been a crime committed by an unborn child. Usually when somebody gets the death penalty they have committed the act of pre-meditated murder and usually there is a punishment for the crime.

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agrabass 4 years, 10 months ago

So, is Dr. Tiller in a heated discussion with St. Peter at the perly gates wondering why he can't get into heaven right now, or is he in and in a "closed door" discussion with God/ the Universe regarding the mission of his soul on earth?
I think he is kickin' back, and having a fabulous dirty martini an eclectic mix of people who have worked hard to do their part on this crazy earth. Cheers and my thoughts are with his family!

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hwarangdo 4 years, 10 months ago

The man who murdered Tiller is a murderer ... regardless of what or who Tiller was. The fact that a zealot would murder someone for "religious" reasons is very sad indeed. Or was it done to "enhance" discussion about the new supreme court nominee? Something from the far-right perhaps to add to the fire? Theories abound, of course. And the hate rhetoric flows on and on as the nation is split apart even further into chaos. Hatred, violence, murder ... where does it end? There are so many living in paranoia, ready to lash out verbally and physically at anyone. The more battle lines are drawn, the farther apart we are as a nation. Gee, I wonder who would possibly want our nation to "split apart"? Somehow I am reminded of an old saying we heard back in the "anti-war" days ... "kill for peace". So now what will become the ultra-right call to "justice"? "Murder for justice" ? Because in the end, murder is murder - assassination is just that ... and for that to be done in a church is something that needs to be thought about. After all, killing in the name of God is only done by terrorists, right?

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couranna1 4 years, 10 months ago

this isn't about abortion morons this is about the first degree murder of a good man who broke no laws despite being constantly harrassed by right wing hiding their hate behind a fake god xians wakeup idiots and get some ethics about you

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repaste 4 years, 10 months ago

Mr says it all. When you know what it is like to have that life inside you, I'll listen. Why are 95% right wing nuts pro death penalty?

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Hey repaste,

It's called adoption. Life begins at conception. Sorry you can't have it both ways.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Surely all of you pro-murder, I mean pro-choice people know who she is?

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repaste 4 years, 10 months ago

I made a stupid comment , the real part is no womb, no right. How can we men tell a women she must carry a child? I believe abortion to be a sad horrible choice, but a womens choice. It is not a thing most women take lightly, it haunts most. A baby is a true miracle brought through a women - when it is in her body it is hers. Being male, I cannot make that cal.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

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djeyler 4 years, 10 months ago

A lady said she was worried about how people saw wichita and kansas. In lawrence it is seen as a brave place and a leader of womens rights. For many it WAS the the abortion capital of the nation and world. Some politicians are going to see a significant drop in their campaign contributions.

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Sigmund 4 years, 10 months ago

kittycatty26 (Anonymous) says… "If you don't have a womb, your opinion does not count."

Do not confuse stifling voices in debate as being the same as wining the debate. In fact men are more likely than women to be pro-choice! A year ago, Gallup found more women calling themselves pro-choice than pro-life, by 50% to 43%, while men were more closely divided: 49% pro-choice, 46% pro-life. Now, because of heightened pro-life sentiment among both groups, women as well as men are more likely to be pro-life, but men are still more likely to be pro choice. http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

The Supreme Court that decided Roe v. Wade: Warren E. Burger, William O. Douglas, William J. Brennan, Jr., Potter Stewart, Byron White, Thurgood Marshall, Harry Blackmun, Lewis F. Powell, Jr., and William Rehnquist and not one of them had a womb and nor did St. Tiller his self. So when will abandon your hate mongering based upon your outdated gender prejudices and stereotypes?

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 10 months ago

Some men want children and love them every bit as much as the woman. So it is devastating and heart breaking to hear that your child has been legally killed by the mother and her doctor. Knowing what a partial birth abortion is, what kind of woman has one, what does she think and feel while the procedure is going on, does she see the dead baby afterwards? Is the baby given a burial? What happens to the body? Will we have answers to these questions?

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

How dare you try to send money to someone who was trying to save the lives of the unborn Unprogressiveman. It is shameful and evil to try to save lives, especially unborn children's lives. What kind of a society do we live where we should try to save a unborn baby from being vacuumed out of their mother's womb. Those evil Christian right wing extremists. What nerve they have trying to do such a thing!

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Unprogressiveman 4 years, 10 months ago

I wonder if the shooter has a defense fund we can make contributions to?

I'm willing to send money to help this man's legal defense if what he did was motivated by saving lives.

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

I wonder why George Tiller was shot and killed? What motivated the murderer to do such a thing?

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Mr_Collusion 4 years, 10 months ago

Where were the candlelight vigils for all the babies lives he had ended? I don't remember seeing or hearing about anyone in South Park holding a vigil for them when this was happening. Where were all of you, when he was killing the unborn and throwing them away like a dirty dish rag? Where were all of you when a mother cried after she had an abortion realizing it was wrong? You people make me sick. As far as I'm concerned, the blood on his hands might as well be on yours. May God have mercy on his soul and yours.

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Practicality 4 years, 10 months ago

kittycatty26 (Anonymous) says…

"If you don't have a womb, your opinion does not count."

Ridiculous statement again. Too much of this type of thinking. Men have every bit as a right to comment on this subject as women do.

Like Beared_Gnome said earlier,

"you say men should take responsibility but should have no part in the choice of whether to abort a child; yet, if baby is brought to term and delivered, you support hitting that man with child support. hypocrisy, ya' think?"

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Hawk6643 4 years, 10 months ago

Thats_messed_up, please do your research before you post a comment about the procedures of late abortions. Yes, while that may be the procedure used, the amount of actual people that receive late term abortions, past 20 weeks, in the United States is very small.

I am not saying that late term abortions are right or wrong, everyone should make their own decisions based on that subject, but one thing most people here will never realize is the emotions and feelings these women are going through when they choose to have an abortion, at any period of time. Of course it is a terrifying experience I am sure, but also is the thoughts of raising a baby alone, not being able to provide for that child, or carrying that child full term, only to have it stripped away from you shortly after you deliver it. It is ignorant to make judgements on these women that chose to have this procedure done, because you, or anyone else will never realize the exact reasons for their actions.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5511a1.htm

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blakus 4 years, 10 months ago

Of course, it's easy to forget that women sometimes need a late-term abortion if the fetus is not developing properly. A family member of mine was four months pregnant when she found out from three different doctors that the fetus was not developing lungs and the heart was deformed. Would you tell me that the family member should die because abortion is wrong? Would seem hypocritical to think so. Please remember, there are women in this country that are need of abortions due to instances such as this. Generalizations makes the abortion argument too black and white. It isn't a black and white issue.

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bronze 4 years, 10 months ago

a man killed a man over what should be an issue decided by the judiciary and not mob or ultraviolent individuals.

a criminal killed this doctor and should be punished for first degree murder.

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kittycatty26 4 years, 10 months ago

If you don't have a womb, your opinion does not count.

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Thats_messed_up 4 years, 10 months ago

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 10 months ago

repaste (Anonymous) says…

Men should not have right to post on this, it is not he christians who are crazy, it is the right wing kooks. I don't remember where thebible says “kill him” Fat white males, quit typing.

uh, "jake Lowen" organized this "vigil...is jake a bearer of two X chromosomes? did I miss something, was George Tiller a woman in men's cloting?

Repast, you're a joke, right?

one side of your crazy leftist mouths you say men should take responsibility...but often planned parenthood actually performs abortions that protect men over age 21 having sex with under age girls.

you say men should take responsibility but should have no part in the choice of whether to abort a child; yet, if baby is brought to term and delivered, you support hitting that man with child support. hypocrisy, ya' think?


those 200-probably over estimated--are indeed free to gather and speak their opinion. but I am also free to oppose them, to identify their misguided ideas, and their hypocrisy.

think about it, going to a public place to honor the memory of a man who's entire profession these days has been the killing of babies. he did it for pretty good profit. made kansas the late term abortion capital of the nation.

not worthy of such a meeting.

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roosmom 4 years, 10 months ago

Labmonkey... would the harshest be death? So let me get this straight let's kill someone who killed someone who killed. Is that what you believe? I just don't get it.

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Norma Jeane Baker 4 years, 10 months ago

That's an incredibly open minded and tolerant viewpoint you've got there, Hawk6643.

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macon47 4 years, 10 months ago

one man was murdered so more unwanted kids could be born

if the liberals would have stepped up and accepted thier responsibilty of raising kids no one wanted this murder would never have happened

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Hawk6643 4 years, 10 months ago

Some of the people on here are so close minded. If you can't respect the opinions of others, while still keeping your own belief's, then you shouldn't be allowed to talk.

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Sigmund 4 years, 10 months ago

repaste (Anonymous) says… "Men should not have right to post on this, it is not he christians who are crazy, it is the right wing kooks. I don't remember where thebible says “kill him” Fat white males, quit typing."

Sonia? Sonia Sotomayor? Is that you?

onceinawhile (Anonymous) says… "To those bringing up how abortion is used as simply a birth control method: What makes people think women WANT to get an abortion?"

Because of all the abortions in this country almost none of them are forced upon unwilling women?

verity (Anonymous) says… "We are not afraid and will not be intimidated."

Good for you.

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onceinawhile 4 years, 10 months ago

To those bringing up how abortion is used as simply a birth control method: What makes people think women WANT to get an abortion? Let's look at the decision to have an abortion as it is: a life-changing choice that no one would WANT to make or go through.

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verity 4 years, 10 months ago

About 200 people were there and nobody kept their heads down. We are not afraid and will not be intimidated.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 10 months ago

You can deduce a poster's ethnicity, sex and BMI. Impressive.

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repaste 4 years, 10 months ago

Men should not have right to post on this, it is not he christians who are crazy, it is the right wing kooks. I don't remember where thebible says "kill him" Fat white males, quit typing.

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justanothervoice 4 years, 10 months ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

no12u , he was aborting fetuses, not killing babies. There is a difference.

So, if he 'removed' or 'delivered' the "fetuses" instead of 'killing' them, would they have lived? Yes, because I know, personally, a baby who was born at 5 months, and is quite alive and kicking and growing, actually, he is 11. Doing just fine. That, in my opinion, tells me that he did infact, kill babies.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 10 months ago

An acquaintence with a cell phone who is observing the vigil tells me there is no ice cream.

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 10 months ago

KSB: Dr. Tiller lost his life in support of women's freedom. In my world, that is honorable. ---and to he|| with the female babies that get killed. to he|| with babies killed because they are female.

it is a farce to say the late term abortions were done to save the lives of mothers. overwhelmingly Tiller stretched the definition of that far far beyond the intent of kansas law.

nationally less than 3% of all abortions are for the much sited life of the mother/rape/sexual abuse.

over 95% of abortions are simply birth control abortions, dispose of the baby for the mother's convenience or to protect the abuser.

abortion does have physical and psychological risks. a woman getting an abortion will decrease her potential for carrying a baby to term later in life. she will increase her risk of breast cancer.

*so, who's really worried about "rights" of women?

a vigil for a man who made a lot of money killing babies? shameful. make a saint out of him, very misguided.

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 10 months ago

If there is ice cream I'm coming. That would really hit the spot, I've been working outside all day.

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maetl 4 years, 10 months ago

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ksb 4 years, 10 months ago

To suggest that having a vigil for a murdered man is akin to having a vigil for ice cream is nothing short of asinine. I'm genuinely flattered that so many of you are so deeply threatened by our little memorial gathering, though. Wow.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 10 months ago

staff04, the most vile threatening comments have been posted by the far-left contingent.....nearly 300 and counting. I don't condone this killing and I'm not a "religious rite" member as Mach mania has repeated ad nauseum today. Your side of the fence is making this into a referendum on Christianity in America being nuts. Does that make you far-left zealots feel better?

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doc1 4 years, 10 months ago

I want to hold a vigil for ice cream. Who's in?

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ArumerZwarteHoop 4 years, 10 months ago

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 10 months ago

I can say Tom Shewmon closed the books on Tiller emotionally and spiritually today . Rest in peace? Dr. Tiller.

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labmonkey 4 years, 10 months ago

What a f'ed up world it is when people plan a vigil for someone like Tiller.

Also his murderer should get the harshest sentance possible. He has set the Pro-LIFE movement back.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 10 months ago

Wonder how many of the perpetually fearful far-left zealots will actually show up? Will there be a demonstration against Dr. Tiller the Baby Killer's vigil?

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staff04 4 years, 10 months ago

Keep your heads down at the vigil--we know based on the postings on these message boards that there are many in the Lawrence area who are, albeit privately (I would hope), celebrating the man who murdered Dr. Tiller, a living and viable human being whom God had breathed the breath of life into.

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Steve Jacob 4 years, 10 months ago

A vigil might be a little over the top, but oh well. So basically Tiller is a martyr to some and the shooter is a hero to some. Like this country needed more divisiveness.

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slowplay 4 years, 10 months ago

OK. So the only option for the mother of the late term abortion is death? Currently the mothers health must be in danger for that abortion to occur. In essence Dr. Tiller was saving lives. I'm am against abortion, but I still believe a woman has the right to decide, pending the legality.

Nor would I attend a vigil for him. Only extreme pro-abortionists will attend; as is their right.

The killer sounds like he may be a quarter short of a dollar so I doubt if there was a major conspiracy.

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absolutelyridiculous 4 years, 10 months ago

As a prolife supporter, I find the killing of Dr. Tiller, intolerable. However, I will not honor him or make him a martyr either. I WILL pray for him and his family, praying for the God to have mercy on his soul...and I ask God to have mercy on mine too. Our actions here on this earth, have eternal consequences...we can be violent through gunfire AND by word. Let's choose respect for all life, including those in this forum.

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 10 months ago

"Dr. Tiller lost his life in support of women's freedom. In my world, that is honorable." Nonsense, Dr. Tiller was just another doctor making a living. And, it will never be a fetus to me, but always a baby. Also, please do not tell someone who has a difference of opinion with you to go back on their meds. No medication is going to make someone think like you or believe like you. It is doing a disservice to those who have a mental illness to call people crazy when you get angry at them.

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jumpin_catfish 4 years, 10 months ago

Machiavelli_mania, your comments are intentionally inflammatory. You know what your saying is over the top but you think it serves your cause, whatever that is. Here's some advise, get back on your meds. But I doubt you take it.

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75x55 4 years, 10 months ago

The remaking of the monstrous into a martyr. Typical.

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ksb 4 years, 10 months ago

If you are a member of Lawrence's pro-choice community, your attendance at tonight's vigil would be a powerful message of support for Dr. Tiller's family and the movement as a whole. If this doesn't apply to you (or if you cannot possibly understand why people would want to honor the late Dr. Tiller), then please feel free to disregard.

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classclown 4 years, 10 months ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

classclown, so are you planning a vigil for the alleged killer now that he's caught?

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That's a very idiotic assumption beo. Just because I don't believe in a bunch of idiots elevating Tiller to the level of sainthood as they are planning to symbolically do tonight does not mean that I was in favor of his murder.

I don't view Tillers' support for abortion rights as being on a crusade for womens' rights in as much as for his desire to stay employed. What he did for a living is legal, however if its' legal status were to ever change then he would find himself out of a job.

Nothing wrong with him doing everything he legally could to be able to retain his job, but I believe his actions in the fight to be more selfish than noble.

Neither Tiller or his killer have done anything to make the world a better place therefore a vigil is not appropriate for either.

By the way beo. Pull your pants up. You're showing your @ss.

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Machiavelli_mania 4 years, 10 months ago

Will they be able to keep any Religious Rite people from bringing guns to the gathering and killing people? What kind of security will they have? Obviously security is going to be highly necessary to protect the gathers from the Religious Rite.

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storm 4 years, 10 months ago

Women and families, all over the world mourn the loss of a great physician today. He most definitely made the world a better place, and he is well-deserving of this vigil.

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beobachter 4 years, 10 months ago

no12u , he was aborting fetuses, not killing babies. There is a difference.

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sunnyday 4 years, 10 months ago

George Tiller was one of three brave doctors willing to provide women with the option of a late-term abortion. It isn't a common procedure, but it is one that is sometimes necessary to save a woman's life. This choice, to provide a much needed service that happens to be highly unpopular, put his life in danger ever single day. He will be greatly missed. We can only hope someone else will be brave enough to pick up the torch.

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no12u 4 years, 10 months ago

I see nothing "honorable" about killing innocent babies in the name of freedom.

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beobachter 4 years, 10 months ago

classclown, so are you planning a vigil for the alleged killer now that he's caught?

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Horace 4 years, 10 months ago

The man's profession consisted of flushing babies down the toilet. Why would anyone hold a vigil?

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sinedie 4 years, 10 months ago

I think the point is that this wasn't someone who just died - it was a politically/religiously motivated assassination that took place in a church, of all places. Whatever your reaction is, that's fine, but if you think this isn't a big deal, you're not paying attention.

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ksb 4 years, 10 months ago

Dr. Tiller lost his life in support of women's freedom. In my world, that is honorable.

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classclown 4 years, 10 months ago

Now that's just stupid. Typical of Lawrence folks to attempt to make a saint out of anybody that dies. Remember what all those dumb kids did to that tree? What are these folks going to pile up to honor Tiller?

Tiller was a nobody in the grand scheme of things. Yet these idiots want to put him up there with Martin Luther King Jr.

How about having vigils for people that actually deserve them for making our world a better place?

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