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Ex-husband, two children detained in connection with attack

Custody dispute was ongoing at time of alleged attack

June 2009: Police Chief Ron Olin along with Lawrence Police work the scene of a possible attempted murder in the 1100 block of Hilltop Drive about 8 a.m. Tuesday. The police were called to the home about 1:10 a.m after a Lawrence woman reported that she had been beaten with a bat.

June 2009: Police Chief Ron Olin along with Lawrence Police work the scene of a possible attempted murder in the 1100 block of Hilltop Drive about 8 a.m. Tuesday. The police were called to the home about 1:10 a.m after a Lawrence woman reported that she had been beaten with a bat.

June 16, 2009, 11:09 a.m. Updated June 17, 2009, 7:02 a.m.

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Lawrence Police work the scene of a possible attempted murder and kidnapping in the 1100 block of Hilltop Drive about 8 a.m. Tuesday. Police were called to the home about 1:10 a.m. by a woman who said her 15-year-old son had broken into her home and beaten her with a bat. The boy, along with the woman's ex-husband and her daughter were detained by police.

Lawrence Police work the scene of a possible attempted murder and kidnapping in the 1100 block of Hilltop Drive about 8 a.m. Tuesday. Police were called to the home about 1:10 a.m. by a woman who said her 15-year-old son had broken into her home and beaten her with a bat. The boy, along with the woman's ex-husband and her daughter were detained by police.

Police arrested a 15-year-old Lawrence boy and his 60-year-old father early Tuesday on suspicion of attempted first-degree murder in connection with an attack on the boy’s mother.

Formal charges are expected to be filed today in the incident, which comes during a complicated child custody dispute.

Officers were called about 1:10 a.m. Tuesday to the 1100 block of Hilltop Drive, where they found the boy chasing his mother down the street with a baseball bat, Lawrence police Capt. Tarik Khatib said in a news release.

Police said the 45-year-old woman had called police, saying her son had broken into her home and attacked her with a bat. The woman was taken to the hospital for treatment of injuries, then released.

The boy was detained. Also detained were his father — who also is the victim’s ex-husband — and the ex-couple’s 12-year-old daughter, police said.

The ex-husband and son were arrested on suspicion of attempted first-degree murder, aggravated burglary, aggravated kidnapping, conspiracy to commit a felony and aggravated intimidation of a victim. The daughter was detained on suspicion of conspiracy to commit a felony.

The suspects and victim are in a child custody battle, which a Topeka psychologist describes as “the most complicated custody/parenting evaluation that he has ever had,” according to court records.

According to court documents prepared by the father’s attorney, the children said they wanted to live primarily with their father. According to court documents prepared by the mother’s attorney, the mother wanted the boy to live primarily with her during the school year and primarily with the father during the summer.

It is unclear with whom the children were living at the time of the alleged attack on their mother.

An Aug. 10 court hearing regarding the custody dispute is scheduled before District Judge Jean Shepherd.

Comments

Music_Girl 5 years, 6 months ago

This is sad...what is family coming to these days?

kansasfan21 5 years, 6 months ago

This is sad, and sick, in so many ways...

dandelion 5 years, 6 months ago

I certainly hope they let the woman know before they release these nutcases, so she can go into hiding. I get the feeling she was probably escaping an abusive husband and he had taught the kids to be abusive too.

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 6 months ago

ImAllThat--

She isn't dead. That's an error on the jail log. We spent a lot of time this morning trying to track down that very question.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

Clickker 5 years, 6 months ago

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SpunKey 5 years, 6 months ago

This is what happens when Kansas closes the mental hospitals.... too many physcos are in your neighborhoods, marrying your friends and breeding kids with those same bad genes. The kids are in your schools too.... Psycho people don't stay on meds all the time.... eventually they snap and take down their loved ones at the same time! Paraniod/schizophrenics just shouldn't breed! The drug they take should make them violently ill or give them siezures if they go off it (incapacite them somehow).

number1jayhawker 5 years, 6 months ago

What the hell has this society come to, when an exhusband tells or forces his own chidlren to try and kill his exwife???

8muddyboots 5 years, 6 months ago

You all are reading so much into the story and projecting the evils of the tv world. How do you know the father & daughter weren't there in pursuit of the hostile son? You have no idea why the couple was divorced or what dramas were playing out in this teenager's life. It seems like standard procedure for them to all be detained under the circumstances. Let the police sort out the details rather than try this family in the press.

Raider 5 years, 6 months ago

(being sarcastic) It's all because we're starting to let the gays marry. It's destroying the traditional family!

nomorebobsplease 5 years, 6 months ago

8muddyboots - "How do you know the father & daughter weren't there in pursuit of the hostile son?" Because daddy has been charged with attempted first degree murder and the daughter with conspiracy. I don;t think the police would have done that if all those two were doing was trying to help save mom.....

Lacy Mohler 5 years, 6 months ago

Obviously they wanted the house. Nice place. Worth some bucks in Lawrence, KS.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 6 months ago

Can't wait for more details on this as time goes by. Anyway, guessing the "attempted murder" charges go away, and so do the charges against the daughter, they just had no idea what to do with her this morning, or what the heck went on.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

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shadowbox66044 5 years, 6 months ago

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore... Robbers, shooting's, and bats OH MY!

KansasPerson 5 years, 6 months ago

ArUNorml, it just doesn't seem right to make those assumptions, or to blame this woman who in danger of being bludgeoned by her own child.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

wow, look at all the charges against 60-yo daddy dearest and 15-yo chip off the ol' block.

I hope the mom is getting the best counseling and medical care. I hope that the supportive services are really kicked in big time for her.

so daddy dearest was 15 years older than mom. at least the way this reads, it sure sounds like he's the real problem. I hope that our DA will actually make these charges stick and put daddy dearest away for a very long time. the 15-yo son is a juvie, and maybe young enough to learn and get counseling with his punishment.

all she wanted to do was collect antiques and she gets all this.

no sign of cousins? nobody on here posting: "oh, the dad was a good guy," "he just made a mistake" or [my favorite] "you guys don't know him so how can you judge him, he's my good friend."

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

SpunKey Eugenics, that's the answer. Let's have a breeding czar to give the stamp of approval to those who deserve to have children. I think we ought to be drawing the line on what we joke about.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

I don't think anyone on here does know what happen, or they are not aware that these are real people, this is not a TV show. None of this is funny.

starkm 5 years, 6 months ago

And lesbian and gay families in stable, long-term, committed relationships/marriages are somehow a detriment to society??? Hmmmmm, go figure.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 6 months ago

Irish (Irish Swearingen) says…

I don't think anyone on here does know what happen, or they are not aware that these are real people, this is not a TV show. None of this is funny.

The funny thing irish is you had no compassion when a man was shot in the face a few weeks ago in wichita. Your concern is disingenuous at best.

BigPrune 5 years, 6 months ago

Since the address is Hilltop, should we assume they are both part of the KU faculty?

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

Irish, sometimes humor helps to relieve tension, poke fun at evildoers.

are you somehow worried about the feelings of this abusive daddy dearest being hurt?

Irish, you are a real piece of work.

overthemoon 5 years, 6 months ago

starkm

I thought the same thing. Marriage is such a sanctified, many splendered thing!

Or as someone said, "I'm all for gay marriage, they deserve to be miserable like everyone else"

RobertS 5 years, 6 months ago

Prune, They are not faculty. She is a lawyer.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

I'm glad LJWorld updated this: The suspects and victim are in a child custody battle, which a Topeka psychologist describes as “the most complicated custody/parenting evaluation that he has ever had,” according to court records.

wow, I guess complicated indeed!

if the 15-yo son had to break in, I'm guessing he wasn't living with mom at the time.

judge shepherd never seems to properly sentence violent juvinile offenders. granted she's hearing in August the custody issue. hope a better judge will be in charge of the trial of the 15-yo though shepherd seems to handle all the juvies in DGco.

the worst part is that divorce is indeed properly called "the crazymaking time" and special punishment should be reserved for the parents who purposely pull the kids into the marital dispute!

charging with attempted murder, PD must have some pretty serious evidence.

password 5 years, 6 months ago

BigPrune says… Since the address is Hilltop, should we assume they are both part of the KU faculty? why would you assume that? Hilltop Drive is merely the name of a street off of 9th, east of Iowa - not the daycare at KU.

Orwell 5 years, 6 months ago

Anybody who cheap-shots Jean Shepherd ought to be sentenced to take over about a week of her impossible, maddening responsibilities. When she decides to hang up her robe this community will be damned lucky if we get a replacement one-tenth as good.

Amy Heeter 5 years, 6 months ago

No this isn't a laughing matter at all. Some divorces get really nasty and dangerous to get out of. Thank goodness this woman made it out alive.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

orwell, no cheap shot. once I was most definitely assaulted by a 16-yo. Shepherd simply dismissed the charges.

that and other times, she's far too easy on juvie offenders who deserve punishment, and their victims deserve justice.

sustainabilitysister 5 years, 6 months ago

Orwell wrote "Anybody who cheap-shots Jean Shepherd ought to be sentenced to take over about a week of her impossible, maddening responsibilities. When she decides to hang up her robe this community will be damned lucky if we get a replacement one-tenth as good."

I concur

Christine Anderson 5 years, 6 months ago

Hmmm. Okay, there's a lot here I don't know. I will say this. I would not want custody of a "little" monster who is so closely following in daddy's ways. Abuse is learned behavior. If, and I stress if, the 12 yr. old girl turns out to be guilty of the same things as her big brother, hell, let her go with the damn father, too. Even though the son ( and possibly the daughter) have learned this type of behavior, I personally feel they are old enough to know it's wrong. Then again, I wonder if the father didn't threaten to hurt or kill the children if they didn't go along. And yes, this case sounds way too serious for someone as flip-flop and inconsistent as Judge Shepherd to be handling. Ah sad, that in Dg. Co. there is no other option judge-wise.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

KansasPerson (Anonymous) says…

ArUNorml, it just doesn't seem right to make those assumptions, or to blame this woman who in danger of being bludgeoned by her own child.


Well I say to you all.. What would it take for you to get to the point of chasing your mom down the street with a baseball bat? Where is your breaking point? Not only that, but it appears that all three (father & kids) had reached said breaking point. Everyone is very quick to judge the Father & the son, (not so much the daughter for some reason), but really.. think about these people and what their emotional state must have become to take this action. If you don't like my words or my angle, then by all means suggest me for removal.. again. But imagine how bad your mom would have to be to make you do such a thing.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

areUnorml and Cheesehead, when parents divorce, the dynamics can be far more complex. unfortunately parents sometimes like to pull in the children...hurt the children in place of hurting the former spouse. something about that child reminds one spouse of the opposing spouse. children wish to identify with their parents, naturally. but in this, identifying often means taking up that parent's side.

and, sadly, kids in such a divorce/custody case either get asked, or the question is implied: which parent do you want to live with? this is a truly unfair question for a kid, even one who's 15-years-old!

areUnorml, to blame the mom for this is just bizarro. yes, I know women are just as capable of domestic violence, and better at hiding it or planning it. but note the son broke into her house to go after her. she wasn't womping on him at the time. he made the conscious choice to go after his mom. and, daddy dearest was there at the time, maybe he brought the son?

unless something more comes out, it sure looks like she's the victim. she wanted shared custody, the daddy dearest did not.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

Don't be to swift to judge these people too harshly!

Divorce takes a toll on all parties and especially the teenage children. They're emotions are running out of control and things can get blown out of proportion real quickly. My gess is that they may all need some anger management!

thomgreen 5 years, 6 months ago

"..if the 15-yo son had to break in, I'm guessing he wasn't living with mom at the time."

Or, he was trying to make it look like a break in. Just a thought. If this was premeditated, they might have tried to make it look like a stranger committed the act rather than someone that had a key to the house.

This is just sad. To get to the point where logic tells you to beat your own mother with a bat, I guess I'll never understand, thank goodness.

RoeDapple 5 years, 6 months ago

Has the bat manufacturer been contacted about a possible lawsuit yet? Was it registered, kept in a locked case? Serial numbers run to see if it was stolen? Have sales increased on that model since the alleged commission of this crime? Do bats/guns kill people or people kill people? Inquiring minds want to know.......

I wish this woman a full recovery and full legal punishment under the law for her attackers. What terrible memories for a family to endure.

BigAl 5 years, 6 months ago

The swing of a bat is a bit different than a pull of a trigger. If this young man had a gun, chances are Mom wouldn't be here now.

And, I'm not against guns. You can outrun a bat but probably not a bullet.

RoeDapple 5 years, 6 months ago

Correct BA, but if you are dead, you are a memory, If you are beaten with a bat you will live that memory the rest of your life. I wouldn't begin to assume a preference for her, but it doesn't sound like she outran the bat. Not bagging on your post, just adding my thoughts......

Russell Fryberger 5 years, 6 months ago

Lets wait and see if the LJW got the story right before we go any further.

Shockem211 5 years, 6 months ago

I agree with SpunKey. This was an extremely horrific incident and has now impacted the lives of this wonderful mother and her children in a way that nobody can imagine. For those of you who say that the children should have known better, if you knew their father you would understand the brainwashing and minipulation these children have gone through for so many years.The mother involved is very brave as shows with the years of chaos she has withstood from this man.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 6 months ago

Shockem211, I wish the mother well. I was thinking a 15 year old should be able to pick which parent to live with, unless one (or both) are viewed as unfit by the other.

Topside 5 years, 6 months ago

Why is the mom getting a pass so far. Nobody knows what happened exactly. Maybe all the rest of the fam was tired of putting up with "mommy dearest's" crap and went off on her. Maybe she is also nuts, she just didn't get to the bat first.

sandersen 5 years, 6 months ago

The mom isn't getting a pass. In fact, the story states she got a beating. And that potentially, the ex-husband was intent on her death.

No matter your take on this, it is tragic that a 15 and 12 year old were in any way involved in this crime. These are children, and the father had no business attempting to use them to commit a crime against his ex-wife, their mom.

RoeDapple 5 years, 6 months ago

Topside?

So in your world it's okay to break into someone's home and beat them unconscious or dead because you're tired of their 'crap'?

Posters Beware!

KansasPerson 5 years, 6 months ago

AreUNorml (Anonymous) says…

"Well I say to you all.. What would it take for you to get to the point of chasing your mom down the street with a baseball bat?"

MAYBE a mom's behavior would be used AS AN EXCUSE for someone to attack her. On the other hand, MAYBE a mom's NORMAL behavior would anger a sociopathic or otherwise dysfunctional person(s) to take matters into their own hands. Either way, it's ILLEGAL and WRONG.

"If you don't like my words or my angle, then by all means suggest me for removal.. again."

I have never suggested and will never suggest removal of a post just because I disagree with it. I'm all for civil discourse. I disagree with you; I'll leave it at that.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

can imagine. For those of you who say that the children should have known better, if you knew their father you would understand the brainwashing and minipulation these children have gone through for so many years.The mother involved is very brave as shows with the years of chaos she has withstood from this man.

well said Shockem, even good friends don't know what goes on in privacy in a marriage. my first wife was delusionally jealous, and violent. very few people knew at the time. the details sure seem to support your description of this situation.


SRJ, even 15 is too young, I'd say 21 is still too young, for a child to be forced to decide between two warring parents.

emotionally that means chosing one over the other. then you throw in all the guilt, the emotional blackmail, and how the kids get pulled into the parents' battles, it is way too much.

personally I think a good judge supported by assessments made by social workers with proper supervision should make that decision in the best interest of the child. in the past, mothers typically won that against the dads. then, more recently, dads used economic superiority to gain an advantage.

most of all, this is bitterly sad. I understand the mom's released, suggests her physical wounds aren't too bad. psych wounds, probably deeper and more painful.

oh, to the poster above happy she's gotten out alive: it ain't over yet! like the common saying restraining orders aren't bulletproof! how much protection will she have? apparently she needs protection from her own children.

dandelion 5 years, 6 months ago

The children have probably lost both parents. Would the mother really want her children back, even after counseling? I would think she'd be too afraid for her life. If the father is convicted he will go to prison. So now, they will be in state custody. They no longer have any choices.

anon1958 5 years, 6 months ago

First, I have known this family for years. Secondly, many of the comments posted here are pathetic and the result of ignorant speculation. Of course the internet is the first refuge of angry people of low analytical capability and a high propensity for speculation so it is not surprising that outrageous remarks about a twelve year girl would appear in this forum.

No reasonable inference about guilt can be made from charges made by the police. Obviously I am terribly disappointed by the young man's behavior but whether his attack was spontaneous or premeditated is unknown at this time.

You ignorant people that have cast hateful remarks toward the little girl do not even know if the baseball bat was picked up in the house or brought to the scene of the crime. I can attest that the little girl has had to live with a very difficult situation for years. Perhaps some of you morons should reflect that as reported this has been a difficult and ongoing dispute, thus the little girl may have been traumatized since she was 8 or 9 years old.

Of course the police will file a huge number of charges against a suspect because it is easier to drop charges than pile them on later. Of course the 12 year old will be detained for her own protection until events become sorted out.

If anyone doubts that a custody dispute could not result in a spontaneous rather than premeditated set of events that have unfolded, then it is reasonable to infer that you are an incredibly naive person. While the 15 year old boy's behavior is inexcusable, like the 12 year old he has been a bystander in a contest between his mother and father for years.

I feel very sad for this family because when I was 14 and my sister was 12 we were also held hostage to a very bitter custody battle that lasted several years. There was never any violence but the level of emotion and stress, at times could easily have resulted in an angry physical outburst of short planning and long regret.

This custody dispute has been very painful to observe first hand because all four family members have been traumatized by a prolonged dispute and tug of war over the children.

My guess is that the young man's assault was a spontaneous action that resulted from a confrontation with his mother. I think it is extremely unlikely that the girl had even a remote hint that her brother planned to attack her mother and I am certainly doubtful that the father drove his son to his ex-wife's house to kill her with a baseball bat. Of course it is not only my guess, but also my hope that the attack by the boy was spontaneous rather than premeditated.

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

Let's see what the facts turn out to be.

I have been in the "family court system" and what I know is that they are not reasonable in many cases. This time it looks like it was the child that may have "snapped" instead of the father.

It will be interesting to see what the real facts are.

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

It is interesting how this was reported. It seems that they were all arrested, except for the mother, yet the girls arrest was omitted from the opening line. Why would that be? Trying to spin the article maybe? Truth in reporting?

"Police arrested a 15-year-old Lawrence boy and his 60-year-old father early Tuesday on suspicion of attempted first-degree murder in connection with an attack on the boy’s mother."

"The boy was detained. Also detained were his father — who also is the victim’s ex-husband — and the ex-couple’s 12-year-old daughter, police said."

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

AreUNorml~~ Spoken like a classic abuser. The “she was asking for it” defense.


you don't know me at all. i'm the last person that would abuse anyone. especially those that I love. so save your psycho-babble for someone else. I'm looking at this from a different point of view that just isn't that popular. suck it up. I'm sure many of you would be the first to blame the man if he were the one being chased down the road, accusing him of being a horrible person and deserving it.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

Bearded.. i'm not condoning this by any means. i'm not saying "hey kids go beat up your mom because she took away your video games". I'm looking at this through a different perspective. Which is something a lot of people here seem to have a problem digesting. it's only a perspective. relax. nobody but those involved (yes even the mom) will truly know what the reasons for these actions were. but I do know that June Cleaver never got beat up by the Beav.

Topside 5 years, 6 months ago

Hey I didn't say they had to act on it. Everyone deserves a whoopin at some point. you just have to rise above it and not do it. Also, i don't think the kids were brainwashed, its hard to convince kids to hate their mom enough to want to kill her unless, just maybe, she really is a crazy B_. I'm sure she filed divorce papers was just sittin home on the proch drinking iced tea and her whole family rolled up and jumped her like a rival gang member. I'm sure. Takes two to tango.

Topside 5 years, 6 months ago

AreuNOrml- i hear ya. i think you and I are the only ones looking at the other side of this.

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

Comment on comments: Son accused of "breaking in" by posters: Maybe the article has changed. I don't see that in it.

"look at all the things they were charged with" : Having been arrested once, I know that the police make up stuff to charge you with. I think, but don't know, that it is a technique to intimidate the person arrested into pleading to something more than they did so that they don't get convicted of something much worse.

Those who are saying that the father had a part in this: Where do you see that in anything? His presence doesn't make him guilty. How do you get to that point?

Domestic violence is not just a male on female crime. It is, as in my case, a female on male crime as well. Try to find a case that is prosecuted that way though.

I don't know, yet, what happened here and I would dare to say that about the majority of those who posted. Why is it that sides are being taken? Why are the males being convicted in the posts and the others being ignored? It is because we have been brainwashed into believing that men are at fault in all cases and that women are always the victim.

Please, use reason when posting. Yes you are anonymous so you can post what you want with no possibility of being held accountable, however, if that is why you are posting your comment you are part of the problem not the solution.

costello 5 years, 6 months ago

markbr52 (Anonymous) says…

"Son accused of 'breaking in' by posters: Maybe the article has changed. I don't see that in it."

From the fouth paragraph: "Police said the 45-year-old woman had called police, saying her son had broken into her home and attacked her with a bat."

"Those who are saying that the father had a part in this: Where do you see that in anything? His presence doesn't make him guilty. How do you get to that point?"

I think it's being inferred from the fact the man was arrested and charged with a variety of crimes. Presumably the police had some reason to believe he was a participant or he wouldn't have been arrested and charged.

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

Costello, I understand what you believe and why. Unfortunately, I am no longer able to believe as you do. You are correct, I did miss the womans statement. My apologies. However, the charges against the man could be as bogus as the day is long. Been there, done that. I fought for the truth and they dropped the charges with prejudice, which means they can't be refiled. In essence, acknowledging they were wrong. Is the arrest still on my record, yes. It should have been purged "innocent until PROVEN guilty". My finger prints are still on file with the system as well. Did they pay me for the time I spent in jail no. Did they offer an apology for the perception that they created in the minds of those who read the police logs? No.

In the law, as seen by the law enforcement agencies and the general public, you are guilty until proven innocent.

I know different.

As far as judge Jean Shepard goes. She won't leave the bench soon enough to suit me. She is biased and doesn't look at the evidence in front of her. Every document that my wife filed with the court had statements that could be disproved(false statements), except one. And she filed many. Yet my wife got everything she wanted from the courts even when she was in DIRECT CONTEMPT(did not follow the judges directions or the journal entry).

If you are a man in front of Sheppard, I wish you the best of luck. The first thing you should do is ask for a different judge, which you can do.

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

ImAllThat, I didn't say the son shouldn't have been charged. I would say, based on the article, that the father shouldn't have any more than the daughter.

If you can see that in the article please help me to see it as well.

costello 5 years, 6 months ago

"Costello, I understand what you believe and why. Unfortunately, I am no longer able to believe as you do."

I don't think I stated what I believe. You read more into my response than was there. You asked why people were assuming that the dad was involved, and I answered that they inferred that from the fact he was arrested.

Sorry you've had some bad experiences. I can't agree with you about Judge Shepherd, though. I suppose having people dislike you is a job hazard for judges. Half the people who appear before you walk away thinking they were treated unfairly. ;-)

costello 5 years, 6 months ago

"I would say, based on the article, that the father shouldn't have any more than the daughter."

No doubt the police have lots more information that didn't appear in the article.

Christine Anderson 5 years, 6 months ago

Gnome, you are quite correct that divorce and custody disputes can get very complex. Yes, I'm sure there has been a lot of manipulation of the children going on.

I just feel that children who grow up in homes where there is domestic violence by either parent, against the other parent, are very likely to repeat it in their own relationships as adults. This played out in my second husband's family. His dad beat the mom and kids, and guess what? Every single one of the now grown sons in that family have been jailed several times for violence related issues. I am terrified of how my own sons will turn out because they spend half time with each of us. They are already learning from their father that there is only one manner of expressing anger, and that's to be explosive. And of course, it's always okay to be explosive with your anger because "the other person made you do it." I am fighting a losing battle to teach my younger son that yes, it's okay for a man to be angry; yes, all persons get angry, but it's what you DO with your anger that matters. My older son has very poor self-control related to profound autism, but I'm sure that observing his dad doesn't help, either.

Oh, to the posters who seem to be defending or excusing domestic violence, no, it's not just me. It's not just Cheese who says this man is volitile. He not only committed domestic battery toward me, but also toward his second wife. Landed in the Brig in the navy for ripping a sink off the barracks wall, because "some guy pissed him off". Jailed for beating up a guy in a bar in Va., because some guy spit in his beer. Granted, that's nasty, but you get up and walk out, instead of beating the guy and putting him in the hospital.

I think Dandelion (at 11:49) verbalized it better than I did in my first post.

Topside 5 years, 6 months ago

I don't think anyone is excusing domestic violence or even defending it. I think most of us our saying that she has done more than we have heard to bring it on. Also, for a mom to have her own kids to want to try and kill her is rare and bizarre. It makes some of us theory the cause. Mental illness probably plays a role here.

costello 5 years, 6 months ago

"I think most of us our saying that she has done more than we have heard to bring it on."

I don't think "most" of us have said - or even thought - that.

Topside 5 years, 6 months ago

"did you not get that memo? yeeeaaaah". -Lumburgh

markbr52 5 years, 6 months ago

Costello, have you been in front of Sheppard? Are you male? If you answer no to either of the before mentioned questions then you don't "know". Even if you answered yes to both any "judge" who doesn't look at the FACTS should not be a judge.

As far as the police having more information. That is an ASSUMPTION on your part. An assumption that I don't believe should be made from what we know. Having been arrested 4 of 5 times during the course of my divorce and knowing the lies that were told about me by them(the police) I would have to go with the fact that they are lying or exaggerating FIRST then if it is FOUND to be true go with it.

RoeDapple 5 years, 6 months ago

Well Topside, if you think someones behavior can 'bring it on' or justify this beating with a ball bat, then you're right! We could be dealing with mental health issues. Got a mirror? Sounds like someone is 'over the top'

Reuben Turner 5 years, 6 months ago

this is surely sad. i hope the children and the father gets some much needed jail time. and i hope they get a chance to feel a bat or maybe a fist at the body. this is horrible.

anon1958 5 years, 6 months ago


cletus26 (Anonymous) says…

this is surely sad. i hope the children and the father gets some much needed jail time. and i hope they get a chance to feel a bat or maybe a fist at the body. this is horrible.

Why yes of course we should immediately ship them to some CIA run prison on foreign soil and beat them. I am sure that a good beating with a baseball bat is exactly what a 15 year old and 12 year old need to whip them into shape and purge the trauma of a bitter custody battle.

I am surely thankful to the recent fascist leaders Bush and Cheney to have finally convinced people that the troublesome and all too damn expensive Bill of Rights was a waste of time. We certainly need more cheerleaders of rough frontier justice like Cletus26. Can anyone even remember the last lynching? And I dont mean no pussyfooting around internet lynching, Im talkin a rope over the Kaw river bridge like in the good ole days.

I despair over the fact that I am technically a member of the same species as some of the people that have posted on this topic.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 6 months ago

and to think anon1958 was doing so good, but turns out to be another crazy liberal far-left fringie still suffering from Bush derangement syndrome.


oh, to the poster above happy she's gotten out alive: it ain't over yet! like the common saying restraining orders aren't bulletproof! how much protection will she have? apparently she needs protection from her own children.

---quoted myself [well, yes I did, for a point] in the more recent article it indicates that Daddy Dearest Arthur III is allowed bail, and won't be required to wear a GPS when released on bail!!!

I sincerely hope that the Mom is connected with WTCS. if not, she needs to get there fast because again our local justice system is failing a victim of violence.

will our DA try this case or settle for half@$$ed plea bargains?

however the 15-yo boy is tried (adult or child) mandate psychological eval and treatment.


areUnorml/topside, you people really need to think about what you're saying given the content of the two articles.

***finally, Markbr, yes, I also was a victim of an abusive woman. I am not surprised by your experience with judge Shepherd!

but I must say that the way things look right now, it is a little silly to blame the mom for this.

Scattered 5 years, 6 months ago

For those who think the father had no part of this attack........................

How did they all get over to the house on Hilltop???? I am certain THE FATHER DROVE THEM.

greenmelon24 5 years, 6 months ago

ALL, RIGHT, U PPL, THAT R SAYING THE 12- YEAR OLD GIRL DID SOMETHING 2, U R ALL SOOOOOOOOOOO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE THAT 12-YEAR OLD GIRL, HAPPENS 2 BE MY BEST FRIEND, AND SHE WOULD NEVER KILL ANY1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND IM NOT SAYING HER NAME ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO, DONT BLAME HER 4 ANYTHING AT ALL WAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT BLAME MY BEST FRIEND 4 ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RoeDapple 5 years, 6 months ago

Autie! tell your cousin to shut off his/her laptop and go to bed!

:-D

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

areUnorml/topside, you people really need to think about what you're saying given the content of the two articles.


I know exactly what I'm saying. that media & society are geared to convict a male over an issue before they do a female. I'm saying that none of us know what the true situation was and that perhaps there is something you're all missing. There is not one thing wrong with questioning the mothers role in this situation. I doubt she was sitting there making brownies and all of the sudden all 3 other family members decided to beat the crap out of her for no reason. give the woman a pass if you want to, lynch the dad if you must, but geez, just take a moment to really think about another possibility. But what do i know, i'm apparently just a misogynist, woman beater.. please.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

Scattered (Anonymous) says…

For those who think the father had no part of this attack……………………

How did they all get over to the house on Hilltop???? I am certain the father drove them.


oh my gosh, a father driving his kids to see their mom.. that would be some sort of visitation right or something stupid like that. you don't know what transpired and who played what role in any of it. but you've already got the father strung from the highest tree.

sandersen 5 years, 6 months ago

I have definitely seen many, many family visitation schedules that begin with a 1am tranfer of the children to a sleeping, unaware parent.

Logic steps out the window....

one2no 5 years, 6 months ago

I hope this all turns out ok for the mom.She is a nice Gal we went to school together at an early age.Her family and her come from australua.She was a lawyer at a firm down town but has moved on to the AG's office.Well I guess her and the AG and I were all classmates.Good luck.

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