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Report: KU’s Perkins met with Gill on Sunday

Two of three pundits have chosen Kansas and coach Turner Gill, pictured here coaching Buffalo, to take fourth in the north.

Two of three pundits have chosen Kansas and coach Turner Gill, pictured here coaching Buffalo, to take fourth in the north.

December 7, 2009, 1:43 p.m. Updated December 7, 2009, 10:35 a.m.

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Buffalo football coach Turner Gill interviewed Sunday for the Kansas University head coaching position, a Buffalo News report indicated Monday.

Buffalo athletic director Warde Manuel confirmed through sports information director that KU athletic director Lew Perkins had contacted the school seeking permission to speak with Gill, and indicated that the request was granted.

As of Monday morning, Buffalo officials were unaware whether or not a meeting between Perkins and Gill had taken place, though the Buffalo News cited a source that said a meeting was held Sunday in New York City.

Perkins is scheduled to accompany KU quarterback Todd Reesing to the National Football Foundation Awards Dinner on Tuesday night at New York City's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel.

Gill, one of a handful of coaches mentioned as possible replacements for the recently resigned Mark Mangino, is in his fourth season as Buffalo's head coach, having led the program to the 2008 MAC championship and their first bowl game in half a century.

Despite recent comments stating he was comfortable at Buffalo, meanwhile, Gill has multiple ties to both the Big 12 and KU. Two years ago, he interviewed for the Nebraska head coaching job that eventually went to Bo Pelini, while his daughter, Jordan, is a sophomore at KU.

Interestingly, Mark Mangino's daughter, Samantha, was also a sophomore at KU when Mangino was hired as KU's coach in 2001.

Comments

Kevin Sontag 5 years ago

Lew has got to make a bigger splash than this when it comes down to the final hire. But I don't have a problem with interviewing a wide range of candidates, which includes the coach of... mighty Buffalo University.

Olympics 5 years ago

Anytime you can hire a 0.400 coach at a 3rd tier school, you gotta do it. You have to.

Nice work Lou, niiiiiiiiiice work.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years ago

Hmmmm. This doesn't seem very realistic. Maybe the rumor mill has gotten out of control.

shadowbox66044 5 years ago

NO! This guy is going to same thing to us that Herm did to the Chiefs! NO!

Scruggsy 5 years ago

Hopefully this is Lew just getting his interview skills sharpened up for the day when Nolan Cromwell comes back in for his Q&A...

trollkiller 5 years ago

Has there been any announcement on our new AD yet? Good riddance Lew!

BigDog 5 years ago

I doubt a head coach from Buffalo with a below average record is an upgrade for Kansas .... I hope this was only a formality. Of all of the potential candidates mentioned Turner Gill should be a ways down the list

parrothead8 5 years ago

Turner Gill is actually a good coach and recruiter, and bringing him back to a part of the country he knows well could be a great catch for KU.

In the five years before he took over at Buffalo, the football program was 8-49. In his first three seasons, the team went 2-10, 5-7, and then 8-6 (including a conference championship and the school's first ever bowl game.)

They had a rough season this year, going 5-7, but part of that could be attributed to the fact that they lost their star RB for the season in the first game. Kid was a 2-time 1300-yard rusher and a 3-time All-Conference selection. It hurts to lose that kind of player.

I mean, come on. Auburn is a way bigger and better football program than KU, and they considered Turner Gill (the only reason they didn't hire him was his race.) KU could do WAY worse than Turner Gill.

ku_tailg8 5 years ago

Geez. I feel bad for the people in these articles if they happen to read these articles and see what some of you morons post on here. I wouldn't mind a Turner Gill hire. Its an interview. Stop whining about stuff you have no control over.

BigDog 5 years ago

I mean, come on. Auburn is a way bigger and better football program than KU, and they considered Turner Gill (the only reason they didn't hire him was his race.) KU could do WAY worse than Turner Gill.

Turner Gill wasn't hired because of race???? How about the guy that they hired at Auburn, Gene Chizik, was more qualified.

Chizik was Defensive Coordinator at Auburn 2002-2004. 2004 was Auburn's 13-0 season, had the 5th ranked defense in the country. 2005 he was Defensive Coordinator for Texas' national championship team.

Nothing against Turner Gill but saying he wasn't hired because of race is bull.

Nonsense 5 years ago

Here is what I could find on him at the UofB site. At first, I was truly shocked, now, I am somewhat interested....


Gill has reached the pinnacle of college football as both a player and a coach, he was part of three national championships as a coach at the University of Nebraska and a Heisman Trophy finalist as a player. He become the 23rd head football coach at the University at Buffalo on December 16, 2005.

Gill, 47, who spent the 2005 season serving as Player Development Director and Offensive Assistant with the Green Bay Packers, was lauded as one of the nation’s top recruiters while an assistant coach at Nebraska from 1992-2004. The Cornhuskers won national titles in 1994, 1995 and 1997 during that span.

Gill, who was selected following a national search, brings with him tremendous success as both a player and coach. Consider how few head coaches in America can claim to have:

• As a player, to have never lost a conference game as a starter; to have led his team to the national championship game and to have been a finalist for the Heisman Trophy (won by his teammate).

• As a coach, to be on the sidelines for three national championships and to have coached an individual who won the Heisman Trophy.

Graczyk 5 years ago

I think Gill would be good for KU. I would prefer that he accomplish more at the mid-major level first, but KU football is going to be rebuilding for the next few years anyway. Why not get a guy who looks like he has a big upside?

hbjayhawk 5 years ago

I would rather donate several thousand to hire a decent head coach instead of build an addition to Memorial Stadium. Seriously, let's drop $4-5 million a year and drag away a top tier coach! Gil is a good one, but not what we need. We need someone who can compete against Pelini, Stoops, Brown, Leach . . . Gil will bring in good recruits, but Pelini, Snyder, Pinkel still have the B12 north edge! Come on! Get a PROVEN WINNER AND GET jayhawk nation excited.

jayhawks71 5 years ago

Have people looked at the teams Buffalo plays in the MAC? Their best year was 8-6 against the type of teams KU schedules during in the non-conference part of the season (e.g, UTEP). When they went 8-6 they won 3 games in overtime and lost to Mizzou by 3 TDs. Their big win last year was against Ball State who was trounced by Tulsa in a bowl game by 30+ points.

Their big win this year (5-7) was against Miami (OH.). They lost to teams (like Temple, Ohio, and Bowling Green) that played and lost to Penn St., UCONN, and Missouri respectively. The conference's big win this year was Central Michigan beating Michigan State (6-6) by 2 pts.

I'm fine with an interview, but ABC/ESPN was reporting that Gill is the "leading candidate" for the job. While KU is far from a premier job in college football, I think KU can do better. I will be disappointed if Gill is offered the job before anyone else. I could tolerate him as a 'we settled for' coach, but THE leading candidate?

slowplay 5 years ago

This is already a step up from Mangino. I could see a 2 year contract with w 3rd year option. He's climbed the mountain (3 times), let's see if he can get there on his own. Great history. Good upside.

hesshawk 5 years ago

I'd like to see Charlie Strong come in for an interview if Lew's just playing this as a formality until he can get the one he really wants in to interview.
It still would not surprise me to see Edsall here before it's all said and done. Other names may not be interested in it, now that Uncle Fester has shown what he will do if you don't kneel down in front of him Just don't take us back to the days of terry Allen........

Rock chalk

slowplay 5 years ago

" now that Uncle Fester has shown what he will do if you don't kneel down in front of him"....

Like pay them 3 to 5 million? College coaches know the risks of not producing. It's all about the money.

canisiusmba 5 years ago

I thought KU and the rock chalk Jayhawak nation understood what champions are made of in college sports. Let's look @ Gill's coaching resume': (i) 13 years as an assistant at Nebraska (Big 12 School) as a top recruiter in Texas, (ii) Assistant Coach for Green Bay Packers and (iii) Head Coach at the University at Buffalo who before he arrived was the doormat of Division I football and brought the program to its 1st bowl game last season in 50 years. Ceratinly, 5-7 record in the MAC is not competitive on the surface. But, Gill lost a 4-year starting QB and replaced him with a kid that will have a breakout season in 2010. Plus, he lost Starks whop will be a mid to late 2nd round NFL draft pick. Most of all, Gill has integrity and just ask any coach in the MAC if they respect Gill and all of them would say yes.

jaywalker 5 years ago

Turner Gill would be an excellent hire. He turned around a program that was looked upon like the Detroit Lions are in the NFL. Spurious arguments like "look at the type of teams he's played" are ignorant and myopic. It's Buffalo, for cryin' out loud. What kind of players do you think they're getting? They play to their particular level of competition just like everyone else. Were the same morons spouting the same drivel when Jim Tressel got hired from Youngstown State?

The reason he didn't get hired at Auburn and Chizik did was all about relationships. Coaches at D-1 and their staffs need to have and maintain good relations w/ high school coaches and their programs for a regional area. Chizik was already wired in throughout the state of Alabama. Gill had no connections. However, as he pertains to KU, he's from the Dallas area, our prime recruiting hotspot. He's from our conference, he's regarded as an excellent motivator and leader, and, though it might pain some of you inexplicably, a coach w/ strong, sincere religious convictions is a huge asset when it comes to how the parents cotton up to a program.
He's an experienced, well-respected coach, he's young and good looking and would be an excellent face to the program.
His was the first name I thought of when the position opened. I'll be excited if he lands the job.

Larry McGlinn 5 years ago

If Nebraska didn't want him, why in the world would KU?

randysavage 5 years ago

overthehill (Anonymous) says… If Nebraska didn't want him, why in the world would KU?


Thank you....

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

Buffalo Gill, won't you come out tonight...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

"If Nebraska didn't want him, why in the world would KU?"

If KU had a choice between Gill and Pellini, which do you think they would take?

jayhawks71 5 years ago

"Spurious arguments like “look at the type of teams he's played” are ignorant and myopic. It's Buffalo, for cryin' out loud. What kind of players do you think they're getting?"

I think that they are competing for the same types of players the rest of the MAC is getting, which is whom they lose to with great regularity both before and under Gill. I'm not comparing Buffalo to top tier teams from major conferences who get the pick of the litter. I'm comparing them to their conference foes. What type of players do you think they're getting at Central Michigan? Answer: The type of players that beat Buffalo and everyone else in their conference year after year.

And the Jim Tressel success is typical? The "if Tressel then Gill" argument is truly a specious (not "spurious") argument. When he was hired at Ohio State, Tressel had a .718 win percentage as a HEAD COACH in 14 years at Youngstown State. I'm not saying that Gill (a 4-year head coach with a .410 win percentage...and his best year was 8-6 (.571 percentage), should not be hired, but if he is the first choice and the leading candidate, I call that weak. Comparing Gill to Tressel is silly. As for his time at Nebraska, Gill was a position coach in his entire time coaching at Nebraska.

For every Tressel-like comparison are multiple Terry Allen counter examples. Again, if Gill is eventually hired after a THOROUGH search and after Lew had gone after better options (who then turn KU down), I could live with the hire. My beef is this talk of Gill being the "leading candidate."

jaywalker 5 years ago

"I think that they are competing for the same types of players the rest of the MAC is getting"

Gee, the same can be said for Baylor and Iowa State. Buffalo was the doormat of doormats and Gill got 'em to a bowl and the conference championship in three years. Take away his first year when he's instituting a system and playing w/ someone else's recruits and his record's outstanding and not a little amazing considering the program he inherited.

"And the Jim Tressel success is typical?"

What are ya...two? Any coach moving to a new level is a crap shoot, nobody had even heard of Roy Williams and he'd never been a head coach. Point is, they're both comin' from small schools. Yeah, Tressel had a great record at Youngstown, it'd also been a perennial power for their conference w/ fantastic recruiting area. Buffalo has neither of those assets.

"My beef is this talk of Gill being the “leading candidate.”"

Really? Who said anything about him being the leading candidate? So your big "beef" is based on a myth? Excellent. He was good enough to interview for the Auburn job, a program light years beyond KU in every aspect. Having him interview for KU is nothing but positive.

BigPrune 5 years ago

I like barrypenders. He is hilarious! Please don't remove him!

I believe in free speech. Barrypenders has a right to voice his opinion. Why do liberals always want censorship if it goes against their convoluted way of thinking? The liberal hypocrisy just keeps getting thicker every day. Another example of hypocrisy would be the carbon footprint king AND savior of our planet from pollution, Al Gore.

parrothead8 5 years ago

BigDog (Anonymous) says… Turner Gill wasn't hired because of race???? How about the guy that they hired at Auburn, Gene Chizik, was more qualified. Nothing against Turner Gill but saying he wasn't hired because of race is bull.

BigDog, I appreciate your sentiment, but I have family who went to Auburn, and it was common knowledge on campus that "we gonna interview that boy, but he ain't gonna be our coach." Auburn has a network of high-powered good 'ol boy athletic boosters (headed by Bobby Lowder) who, through their donations, essentially control who gets hired to be a coach in any of the sports they care about.

They did the same thing when they hired their basketball coach in 2003-04 and passed over Mike Davis, Jeff Capel, and Mike Anderson (all black and successful) to hire Jeff Lebo, who hasn't been so successful. Auburn used to make the NIT or NCAA tournament about two out of every three years. They've made the NIT once in Lebo's five seasons.

In his two years as a head coach before going to Auburn, Chizik went 5-18. His defense went from being ranked 65th nationally in his first year at Iowa St. to 111th nationally in his second year.

In his three years as a head coach before interviewing with Auburn, Gill took Buffalo from perennial MAC doormat to conference champion. He won more games in 2007-08 than the school had won in the previous eight seasons combined.

Turner Gill was more qualified than Gene Chizik to be Auburn's head coach, but the fact of the matter is they didn't hire Gill because of his race.

Gregory Newman 5 years ago

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jayhawks71 5 years ago

"w/ someone else's recruits and his record's outstanding and not a little amazing considering the program he inherited."

Are you referring to recruits such as Drew Willy the quarterback that led them to the 8-6 record? Perhaps you meant James Starks, the running back who ran for over a thousand yards two years in a row. Both players were there when Gill arrived. Just because the team didn't win before he got there doesn't mean he was left with a bunch of terrible athletes when he arrived.

"Any coach moving to a new level is a crap shoot, nobody had even heard of Roy Williams and he'd never been a head coach"

Why play craps? Kansas basketball didn't "play craps" when Ol' Roy left. Why should KU football do so? This isn't the 1987 KU football team. They don't need to settle for a "Glen Mason" who had very similar head coaching credentials to Gill, and also came from the MAC (Mason's record was actually better). Mason inherited a Kent State team that had won 12 games in the prior 5 years and 20 games in the prior 8 years. Mason was a "decent" career-.500 coach, who had most of his success after he left Kansas and went to bowl games regularly.

Of course you and I can pick and choose examples to make each of our points. Every coach goes up through the ranks so of course there will be numerous examples of guys (nearly every successful top-tier coach) who were successful at the highest level after moving up through the ranks.

"Really? Who said anything about him being the leading candidate? So your big “beef” is based on a myth? Excellent. He was good enough to interview for the Auburn job, a program light years beyond KU in every aspect. Having him interview for KU is nothing but positive."

From the first post I questioned THOSE WHO PROCLAIMED GILL THE LEADING CANDIDATE... Who said anything about a "big beef." Those who proclaimed Gill, whether people in the KU family or the national media (I don't really care who they are, but ABC reported it), THE leading candidate were making foolish speculation. Perhaps you should read an entire comment before flaming. This was how I concluded my first post on the topic:

"I'm fine with an interview, but abc/espn was reporting that Gill is the “leading candidate” for the job. While KU is far from a premier job in college football, I think KU can do better. I will be disappointed if Gill is offered the job before anyone else. I could tolerate him as a 'we settled for' coach, but THE leading candidate?"

I don't have a problem with Gill being interviewed. I don't have an issue with Gill period. If Gill is hired, I want him to be successful. As an alum who sat in those stands week after week for the Glen Mason, Terry Allen, and some of the Mark Mangino years, I want to see KU get the best coach that they can. I don't think that is asking too much, and I don't think that Gill is the best that they can do. I want to know that there were some "no thanks" given to Lew before Gill is hired.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"I want to know that there were some “no thanks” given to Lew before Gill is hired"

Great. That's a swell philosophy.
Mangino got KU national recognition. For 3 years. I'm not sure how inflated your opinion of the program is, and I'm hopeful the investments that have been made prove fruitful, but this is Kansas football we're talking about. We're good for about two years every ten.

There's no reason Gill can't raise the program higher than it's ever been due to the reasons I identified earlier: relationships in the conference and in Texas, particularly Dallas. He's an offensive minded coach that runs the spread and could step in with a simialr system and not miss a beat. He's interviewed for Nebraska and Auburn in the last couple years, the big boys are interested. He's a get, period.

notajayhawk 5 years ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

"When Perkins is fired, I'll buy another KU ticket."

A nice way of saying you can't afford a ticket since Lew came.

And I'm sure they miss you at the games.

hip_gma 5 years ago

Didn't Drew Jennings hire Self? We all know how that has worked out for KU. Let's have Drew hire the new FB coach too.

garyr 5 years ago

I did hear that he inquired about the position. Who wouldn't want to bring a successful SEC coach to Kansas? Maybe he would teach them how to play some hard nosed football.......Plus, it would be nice to have the "Nutt House" in Lawrence.

ranger73 5 years ago

Nebraska did want him-at least the decision was down to Pelini and Gill-TO decided NU had to bring back the defense first, and Pelini was better suited to do that. Huge decision for TO to make as he was the one who groomed Gill to be a sucessful head coach. Obviously, NU made the right choice if you saw what that defense did to UT this past weekend. Gill has ties to Texas to recruit, and he can coach. He is not a huggy feely guy like Terry Allen either. Look at past video with him on the sidelines with Osborne and later Callahan before he left NU. He is a no nonsense coach that can get the job done

Jeff Kilgore 5 years ago

If Gill can recruit, then he can make a difference. I just hope that a range (3-5) coaches are seriously being considered for the job. No one on this board knows whether Gill can coach.

Football isn't that complicated. Getting the right players in the right position to win is about 90% of it, and if you don't have the players, it doesn't matter whether you're in the right position. Are there any other serious leads?

promitida 5 years ago

Beobachter-

There's no need to leave redundant comments. No one cares if/when you buy another KU ticket.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"No one on this board knows whether Gill can coach."

Naa. The fact that he's already been a coach for 4 years doesn't shine any light on that dilemma, does it? And the fact that he got a team to its conference championship and a bowl game for the first time in 50 years....that's no indicator that he can "coach", right?

"Football isn't that complicated"

Spoken like someone that's never played the game, at least not at a high level. Of the major team sports football is easily the most complex game; playbooks are hundreds of pages thick, depending on position a player needs to know a myriad of assignments and must react instantly, and coaches are responsible for over 80 men and the choreography of 11 players doing 11 different things on the field for every snap. Ever heard a standard, generic play call? Yeah, real easy.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years ago

beo's trying to be more like barrypenders, that's all.

I'm with parrot. Turner Gill is considered an attractive hire by many schools and possesses a resume to deserve that. I think he's a good hire for KU, but not a slam dunk.

Like it or not, Lawrence, I predict that this is your new head football coach.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years ago

Football isn't complicated...tell that to Todd Haley!

BigDog 5 years ago

I'm with parrot. Turner Gill is considered an attractive hire by many schools and possesses a resume to deserve that. I think he's a good hire for KU, but not a slam dunk.

If he is such an attractive hire .... why are no other schools going after him?

And those who are mentioning Charlie Strong ... he is going to Louisville

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years ago

What big schools are hiring, BigDog? KU is probably one of the most attractive jobs that's open at the moment...except for Notre Dame and they're talking to some guy named Mangino...

Auburn looked at him...stronger football school than KU...

Who do think you're going to get, Knute Rockne?

BigDog 5 years ago

Notre Dame isn't talking to Mangino .... don't know where you got that but it is incorrect.

If Kansas is the most attractive job out there .... and I will agree currently it would rate as one of, if not the top current opening. That is why I would figure that Kansas would be going after bigger names, or top offensive/defensive coordinators at major programs. Or successful coaches in smaller school looking to move up. Like Jim Tressel did at Ohio State and Brian Kelly did at Cincinnati. Both coached teams to a national championship at lower level.

By the way .... if you are interested Notre Dame is interviewing Jim Harbaugh and Brian Kelly tomorrow. Rockne must have said no .... along with Mangino

lkhomer 5 years ago

I heard Charlie Weis is in town.

jayhawks71 5 years ago

Jaywalker, again let me re-iterate that I have no issue with Turner Gill as a coach. I think that KU can do better and should try to get a proven name and those proven names might turn KU down, and I am fine with that. It is about the effort to try to get the best we can.

you said: "I'm not sure how inflated your opinion of the program is"

I'm stunned that one who used "a little amazing" and "outstanding" to refer to refer to an 8-6 record (5-3 conference East division record) sandwiched between two 5-7 seasons would accuse someone else of having inflated perception! Buffalo would've finished tied for 4th in the MAC West division. So let's not go overboard when weighting a MAC championship. Yes, they beat the best team in the other division in the MAC championship game and that is a noteworthy accomplishment. However, it should be put in context. In that game Buffalo had ONE scoring drive of more than 30 yards. Is it possible that the coaches that preceded Gill were just that darn bad that even a mediocre coach would look good? Let's face it, Jim Hofher's best season before coaching Buffalo was a 7-3 mark at Cornell, and he accomplished that once. The next coach, Craig Cirbus had never been a head coach before an hasn't been one since. However, he took over a program that went to Div. I-A from being Div. I-AA for two years (and previously Div. 3 before that) .

you said: "Naa. The fact that he's already been a coach for 4 years doesn't shine any light on that dilemma, does it? And the fact that he got a team to its conference championship and a bowl game for the first time in 50 years….that's no indicator that he can “coach”, right?"

This speaks to my favorite argument that people make. They use time estimates instead of a more appropriate measure. It sounds as though they have been mired in years and years of failure in Division I-A. Let's chronicle some important events of the "last 50 years" of Buffalo Bulls football. 1970- Football at Buffalo is suspended until 1977 1977- Buffalo competes at the Division III level. 1993- Buffalo moves from Division III to Division I-AA. 1999- Buffalo moves to Division I-A.

As for Gill's coaching record. Let's not forget that Terry Allen had 5-7 and 5-6 seasons in his tenure and he couldn't coach at this level. I'm sorry, but one successful year is not evidence of coaching ability and right now, comparing records alone, one successful year is all that sets him apart from Terry Allen, who did his work in one of the premier conferences in college football when he was losing week in and week out.

By the way, Buffalo lost that bowl game by 18 points to UCONN.

Had Gill not won the MAC Championship game would we even be talking about him?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

I hereby offer myself up as a candidate for Head Football Coach--

My qualifications are as follows.

  1. An undefeated record
  2. I won't yell at players or other underlings. I have more subtle and superior methods of reminding them of their general inferiority.
  3. I'll work relatively cheaply. $200,000 a year should do it, and Lew can have anything leftover out of the Head Coach Fund.

I expect to be hearing an offer sometime tomorrow. If I don't hear from Lew by noon of Dec 8, 2099, my offer is withdrawn.

And if any of you other posters want to apply, I'll write letters of recommendation-- for a price. (It is all about money, after all.) But don't ask me to lie too much, cause I have my integrity to think of.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"I think that KU can do better and should try to get a proven name"

I'm just not sure what that's supposed to mean. Particularly when you look at KU's coaching history for the last 30 years. Mike Gottfried came from Cincinatti (much smaller program than today), Glen Mason from Kent State, Allen from Northern Iowa, Mangino as an assistant.......w/ that pedigree how does KU deserve a 'proven name'? Money's been invested and upgrades have been made, the salary is more lucrative for the right candidate. But Kansas has always been a tough sell for recruiting, and that's the big turn-off to 'name' coaches. Harbaugh's name's been floated for this job; I'll shave my head if he's the next coach. I'm absolutely shocked Nutt is (supposedly) interested and actually made first contact. That's just hard to believe, but I'd sure like to think KU is becoming more attractive as a job.

"Had Gill not won the MAC Championship game would we even be talking about him?"

He interviewed for Nebraska two years ago and for Auburn last year. The man is well-thought of by those that run the game. He will be coaching major D-1 soon. He's had great success with a program that had absolutely none before and did it in short order. Fulmer, Billick, Weis, Gruden.....they ain't even listenin' to an offer from Kansas. This guy fits for numerous reasons and looks to have tremendous upside, and he's also the type that could stick around and not just use KU as a stepping stone. Say what you want about him, but that's what we had with Mangino and it lent legitimacy to the program.

jayhawks71 5 years ago

If the program CAN land a name, proven coach at this level, then now is the time to work hard to get one. Given that players go to a school, in no small part, because of the coach, a name coach would be able to recruit at Kansas. As I have said previously, if Lew works hard to get a name and he can't get one, then get Gill.

"Fulmer, Billick, Weis, Gruden…..they ain't even listenin' to an offer from Kansas."

Says who? I'm not terribly interested in Billick or Gruden. They've both been away from the college game for nearly 20 years. If Gruden doesn't come back for Notre Dame then he isn't going to coach college, ever. Fulmer is a name, has had success at the highest levels of college football and has some Kansas (Wichita St.) history. He's a touch older than I would like to see (59), but of that list of four, he is the most appealing to me. I think Weis is a career NFL guy, and he is probably going to be calling plays again on Sunday.

"Say what you want about him, but that's what we had with Mangino and it lent legitimacy to the program."

So the program deserves no better than a 2001-Mangino-like hire after what Mangino accomplished? We "deserved" a Mangino-like hire in 2001 given what Terry Allen left at KU. We lucked out on Mangino's success. I wish he hadn't had the problems that led to his demise. Given those issues, I agree that he had to go, but I wish those didn't exist because I would like to have seen him around for a few more years.

"...and not just use KU as a stepping stone."

Given what you have said about the KU program, if he is that good, he will leave and if he is not good enough to leave the "undeserving of a name" program that you described, I don't want him because he will be a 5-7, 6-6 type coach. I think KU football fans have developed a learned helplessness that causes them to think that 7 win seasons are gold! I want an alma mater that regularly wins 8 games and in a great year sneaks a 9 or 10 win season and the rare 7 win season.

jaywalker, let me say that I have enjoyed the exchange even if we ultimately disagree (I don't think we do, I simply want to see the process and the AD approach others before a Gill hire, whereas you seem to be ready to make the offer.)

KUKRU 5 years ago

Many of you are disillusioned if you think KU can do better than Turner Gill. One because Turner Gill is an amazing coach and an even better recruiter and two because KU SUCKS AT FOOTBALL!!!! We are KU a basketball school not a football school. No one in the right mind would leave a program in any major power conference to come to KU so they could get walloped by the likes of Texas, TT, OU, NU. Really I see our only viable option is pulling a Coordinator from a big school or a Head Coach from a non BCS school. Turner Gill Would be an awesome coach and an even better mentor to a lot of kids coming out of rough neighborhoods in Texas and Oklahoma. So all you haters better watch your mouth because there is a good chance we can land this guy!!! Don't go pulling a "Xavier Henry" thing on me and make this guy not wanna come here.

parhawk 5 years ago

Wouldn't a Coach that is really wanted and wants to come to KU be brought to Lawrence to look over the facilities. Would they actually hire someone without doing it in Lawrence. It doesn't make sense to me. For the guy who thinks KU isn't a football school I would like to say this. It Never will be as long as we keep firing the Coach every few years. KU people have alot to learn when it comes to being football fans, from the students all the way to the High Dollar supporters.

Scruggsy 5 years ago

I have heard reports that Houston Nutt is on Lew's list and supposedly would have some interest in leaving Ole Miss for KU. Good resume- 3 time SEC coach of the year, good recruiter, name brand coach. MUCH more proven commodity than Gill.

If he is looking at KU as a good job, then who else out there with a good track record may be interested?

I still like the idea of Nolan Cromwell personally... Talk about firing up the fan base...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

OK, no word from Lew yet on my offer. But it's still early.

I forgot one very important stipulation. I'll need an additional $100,000 a year for my entourage.

I'll be taking applications for those who wish to join. Sorry, but I don't think any of you posters here will qualify-- all you'd want to do is talk about football, and the purpose of my entourage is to be a distraction from all things football.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

Come on, Ricky, can't I at least be your third choice?

And as a fall back position, I'd be satisfied if Lew just funds my entourage-- I'll even buy one of the new skyboxes, if he does. You all would be invited to join me at games, as long as you promise not to talk football.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

Knowing how much you guys love to talk football, I've revised my fallback position. Lew can just give me a skybox, and I'll sell the seats to posters from the JW discussion board (cheap.) I won't be there, so you can talk football all you want.

garyr 5 years ago

Alright everyone. Like it or not, Turner Gill is going to be KU's next coach. I have been saying that for weeks. He will do worse than Mangino here. The only reason he's coming here is to be closer to family, not to win games. He will be out after 3 years. No one needs to get too exicted about this fellow. He has been looked at by other schools, and not hired. Why? Because he can't coach. Do not look forward to next season, or the one after that, or after that. It is going to be worse than this year. Have a great day.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"If the program CAN land a name, proven coach at this level, then now is the time to work hard to get one"

Now that I can't disagree with. I don't believe our program has ever been this attractive so the possibilities are interesting.
I'd like to see Weis w/ the Chiefs next year, Gruden's ego is way to huge to step down to a lower tier Big 12 school, same w/ Billick, same w/ Fulmer.

"So the program deserves no better than a 2001-Mangino-like hire after what Mangino accomplished? "

No. My point was that Mangino wasn't going anywhere, he was committed to the program for the long haul. And Gill, supposedly, is the same type of guy.

"I think KU football fans have developed a learned helplessness that causes them to think that 7 win seasons are gold! I want an alma mater that regularly wins 8 games and ..."

That would be great, to be sure, but it's yet to be proven that kind of success can be attained at KU. The huge stumbling block is that there's a dearth of recruitable talent for about a 500 mile radius around Lawrence. It might be possible for some stretches, K-State pulled it off for ten years, but even teams like Georgia and Georgia Tech can't pull those types of seasons year in and year out, and they lie at the epicenter for high level recruiting.

Enjoyed our dialogue as well.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

I'm very disappointed that none of you seem to be taking my proposals seriously.

Unless I see a groundswell of support, I may have to withdraw my name from consideration.

Don't say you haven't been warned.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"He will do worse than Mangino here. The only reason he's coming here is to be closer to family, not to win games"

And for something completely moronic..........

garyr 5 years ago

I was right about Turner Gill gettiing hired here, and I'm going to be right about his record. He will have a 3 year stay here, and then he will be gone. And for everyone saying Jon Gruden, he just signed a contract w/ ESPN and Monday Night Football, so he is not going anywhere.

Name a high profile coach, not Turner Gill or Nutt, that would come to KU. I'm waiting.......waiting......still waiting......That's right. No one wants to come to KU and live under Lew Perkin's thumb. That's why he's hiring one of his own. I'm suprised Edsall's name hasn't come up more.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

This job requires a combination of experience and youth. I have more experience than Gill (albeit little to none of it at football) and I'm (a few months) younger than Cromwell.

In other words, I'm my perfect candidate.

dickmerkin 5 years ago

If we're serious about hiring, we need to get rid of Perkins first. No one that could actually improve this program would work for him. Bernadette Gray-Little needs to get off her duff and get this done first.

HuskerVago 5 years ago

You people are insane if you don't want this coach. Especially the people who are lamenting Mangino and saying Gill isn't qualified.

He went to the most impossible place to win and has won more games in 4 years than that team won in the combined previous decade. He had the first winning season they have had in 10 years. Writing it off as "just Buffalo" is backwards. It's a lot easier to win at Auburn or Oklahoma than it is at Buffalo, no matter who you're playing.

He has 20 years of coaching experience, including 14 as a position coach in college, one as an assitant in the NFL, and 4 years as a head coach. That compares at LEAST equally to Mangino's history coming in. He was a MAJOR part of Nebraska's success with Tommie Frazier in the 90's.

I agree that Mangino should not have been run out - but Turner Gill is the kind of coach that has a quality impact and is a stand up guy. He will recruit very well for you in Texas and when competing for players with Nebraska. I wish we would have hired him at Nebraska and we wouldn't have the crybaby coaches we have now.

It's amazing how quickly sports fans can get spoiled, and I'm shocked to hear negative response about this. He could have gotten the Nebraska job, should have gotten the Auburn job considering the record of the guy they hired... You would be LUCKY to have a guy like this.

Also, as far as him leaving later - I don't think so. He interviewed at Nebraska and at Auburn, and then did not apply at other openings that he had legitimate shots at. He's not even looking to just jump from Buffalo. Unless for some crazy reason the Nebraska job came open, I think if he's successful at KU, he would want to stay and build his own legacy there. And after Nebraska didn't hire him before, I could even see him telling them to forget it.

I said Nebraska would regret not hiring him - and if KU takes him, the regret will start. If KU doesn't hire him, wow, I can't imagine the regret you'll have.

Who do you think is lining up for the KU job anyway? Bill Cowher? Turner Gill is GREAT coach, get him while you can. Gene Chizik was more qualified?? He went to ISU and made them worse! Iowa State.. WORSE! That's hard to do.

I was really hoping he'd end up there when this came open - but now I feel like you guys don't deserve him. You're as dillusional as Husker fans.

beawolf 5 years ago

"Also, if Gill does have success, a “real” football school will steal him away. "... This makes no sense. If Gill does have success, and I believe he will, why would he want to leave a solid Big 12 program? The Big 12 has been in more BCS Championship games than any other conference in the country. It has become one of the elite football conferences. If he takes KU to the same level as Texas and Oklahoma he will be at a "real" football school.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"No one that could actually improve this program would work for him (Perkins)"

People who spout this kind of nonsense just have to be insane. Lew Perkins is regarded as one of the best AD's in the country. He turned UConn into a national powerhouse in the three major sports when they had absolutely nothing before he got there. KU has won a national championship in basketball, the conference title 5 years in a row, the Orange Bowl, back to back bowls for the first time in history, the football and basketball coaches are being paid on a nationally competitive level, the women's team is ranked for the first time in a decade and rising, all three squads were ranked in the preseason this year w/the most important squad to the U ranked number 1, and there have been more than $20 million in improvements to or construction of athletic facilities. All under Lew's tenure. Huh.

But yeah, by all means, let's fire him. I swear some people don't have the rationality God gave a watermelon.

jaywalker 5 years ago

"Lew Perkins actually had very little or nothing to do with any of the above accomplishments"

Like I said...."insane".

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

"If we're serious about hiring, we need to get rid of Perkins first."

I, for one, am extremely dead serious. But apparently, I'm the only one willing to step up to the plate and offer my invaluable services.

I'm so serious, I'll make this offer-- if Perkins gets fired, I'll take on both jobs-- football coach and AD. I'll do both for $500,000 a year. And if we don't win national championships in every sport in my first year, I'll return half my salary.

Rock Chalk, dudes (and dudettes.)

jayhawks71 5 years ago

"Especially the people who are lamenting Mangino and saying Gill isn't qualified. "

I just want to say that I have never said Gill wasn't qualified. Just being qualified is not the reason to hire someone and is certainly not a reason for anyone to make him a leading candidate or a first choice. That is what I think is crazy talk.

"He went to the most impossible place to win and has won more games in 4 years than that team won in the combined previous decade."

And for half of that decade you refer to they were a I-AA team (and before that a Division III team). No matter who the coach is, you don't typically go from even a decent/mediocre I-AA team to a I-A contender. Anyone ever think that Gill's success is more due to the contrast effect between him and Hofher (a lifetime I-AA coach) and Cirbus (another I-AA coach whose only HC job was at Buffalo). Folks, Gill's shining season was 8-6 (5-3 in the MAC) and two of his stars were guys he didn't recruit, which is supposed to be his main selling point. He hasn't won with "his guys" yet.

"He has 20 years of coaching experience, including 14 as a position coach in college,"

Comparing a position coach and a head coach is like comparing OU to Buffalo. They have nothing in common. Now, he was a recruiter at NU and that is far more relevant than his work as a position coach, IMO.

"That compares at LEAST equally to Mangino's history coming in"

That's right. And as I said to jaywalker, Mangino did not leave us in the same situation as when he came in. Ergo, KU can do better than a 2001-Mangino-quality hire. I've yet to see evidence of much better. You can say and emphasize LEAST all you want, but what specifically sets Gill apart? Certainly not his record (people have to stop comparing apples and oranges), nor his record of success with his recruits. Remember they would have finished 4th in the other division of the MAC. They beat Ball State in the MAC championship, who had honestly been playing out of their minds. Buffalo only had one drive of more than 30 yards in that game!

"Who do you think is lining up for the KU job anyway?" I don't believe ANYONE including Gill is 'lining up' for the KU job. I expect Lew Perkins to earn his monster salary and go get someone. If he is waiting for people to line up for the job he isn't doing his job.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years ago

"Just being qualified is not the reason to hire someone and is certainly not a reason for anyone to make him a leading candidate or a first choice."

My sentiments exactly. Qualifications have absolutely nothing to do with my candidacy for the job(s), and I'm very gratified to see that jayhawk71 has jumped on my bandwagon.

Any other jumpers? Come on, there's plenty of room still available.

jayhawks71 5 years ago

"Qualifications have absolutely nothing to do with my candidacy for the job(s),"

Of course, only a 'bozo' would draw that conclusion. Being qualified get's one an interview. After that, one needs to be the best qualified and the most likely to foster success.

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