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45-222
Chapter 45.--PUBLIC RECORDS, DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION
Article 2.--RECORDS OPEN TO PUBLIC
45-222. Civil remedies to enforce act; attorney fees. (a) The district court of any county in which public records are located shall have jurisdiction to enforce the purposes of this act with respect to such records, by injunction, mandamus or other appropriate order, in an action brought by any person, the attorney general or a county or district attorney.
(b) In any action hereunder, the court shall determine the matter de novo. The court on its own motion, or on motion of either party, may view the records in controversy in camera before reaching a decision.
(c) In any action hereunder, the court shall award costs and a reasonable sum as an attorney's fee for services rendered in such action, including proceedings on appeal, to be recovered and collected as part of the costs to the plaintiff if the court finds that the agency's denial of access to the public record was not in good faith and without a reasonable basis in fact or law. The award shall be assessed against the public agency that the court determines to be responsible for the violation.
(d) In any action hereunder in which the defendant is the prevailing party, the court shall award to the defendant costs and a reasonable sum as an attorney's fee for services rendered in such action, including proceedings on appeal, to be recovered and collected as part of the costs if the court finds that the plaintiff maintained the action not in good faith and without a reasonable basis in fact or law.
(e) Except as otherwise provided by law, proceedings arising under this section shall be assigned for hearing and trial at the earliest practicable date.
(f) The provisions of subsections (c) and (d) concerning the awarding of costs and attorney fees for services rendered during an appeal shall apply only to actions which are based on causes of action accruing on or after July 1, 2004.
History: L. 1984, ch. 187, § 8; L. 1984, ch. 282, § 6; L. 1990, ch. 190, § 1; L. 2000, ch. 156, § 4; L. 2004, ch. 151, § 2; July 1.
The Lawrence Journal-World, 6News and KUsports.com have filed a Kansas Open Records Act request with Kansas Athletics Inc. to obtain details of the settlement agreement reached with football coach Mark Mangino.
Jim Marchiony, associate athletics director, after initially refusing to release the records, responded to the request shortly after 5:15 p.m. on Friday.
He said the settlement agreement had not yet been finalized, and suggested the request be filed again in 10 to 14 days.
He refused to discuss details of the settlement, but said that when the document is finalized, Kansas Athletics would comply with open records laws.
“We don’t really know what those laws are right now pertaining to this document until it’s finalized,” he said.
Doug Anstaett, executive director of the Kansas Press Association, said in an e-mail that Kansas state law since 2005 has been that any contracts or agreements that include compensation, whether they include public or private money, are a public record if the money is received because of the person’s public position. Along with the KPA, the Journal-World was one of the media organizations that filed the lawsuit that led to the law.
“What’s especially troubling about this latest attempt at stonewalling is that the university and its athletic corporation lost a lawsuit in 2004 when it refused to divulge (athletics director Lew) Perkins’ own compensation package, even though much of it came from private sources,” Anstaett said. “After that successful lawsuit, the Kansas Legislature passed a change to the Kansas Open Records Act that was affectionately labeled the ‘Lew Perkins Provision,’ and it opened up any and all agreements that affect compensation, even supplemental settlement agreements.”
He said it was “ludicrous” to try to hide this information from the public and that the parts of any separation agreement that refer to how Mangino will be paid are open records and should be immediately released.
The request filed Friday also requests that the athletics corporation release the results of an investigation into Mangino’s conduct as coach.
The athletics corporation denied access to those records, claiming they were directly related to job performance, and exempt from disclosure under the open records law.
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LawrenceKSHomeBoy (anonymous) says…
The fact that someone covered up the reports of spousal abuse by the Lawrence hospital need to be investigated.
touringdriver (anonymous) says…
We the KU Jayhawks supporters has the right to know.
AlfVenison (Alf Venison) says…
Yes, we has!
Uhjh (anonymous) says…
KU football needs to move on. The details of the deal need to be revealed to facilitate the process. Keeping this private is not going to produce anything but animosities real or just perceived.
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gsxr600 (anonymous) says…
Oh snap. Anyone want to play the Price is Right?
I'll say $2,249,999.99
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
All those William's funds donations going to pay off a problem. Hope you all think the better seating was worth the pay offs Lew required. Is it really hard rolling in the dough when you have such a willing bunch of fans who think the solution to everything is throwing money at it?
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
"when it refused to divulge (athletics director Lew) Perkins’ own compensation package, even though much of it came from private sources,” Anstaett said."
Although most of it does come from private (tax write off giving?) funds there is still, relative to what most people make in Kansas, a substantial portion of state funds, isn't it something well over $100,000 a year? Yeah, in the days of hardships at the state that is just chump change for the all important sports AD.
alm77 (anonymous) says…
"even though much of it came from private sources" I'm not doing well on wording these questions, so bare with me: Could someone educate me on if/how these millionaires are state employees since they work at the state funded university? I've always been curious as to how these things are done. I understand that our tax dollars aren't paying them (is that correct?) but I'm not sure where their salaries are coming from. There are teachers and researchers at KU worried about their funding, but we're supporting several well-paid athletics instructors? Help! I don't get it.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
alm77 the AD has a portion of his salary that comes from the state and I do believe it is over $100,000 for that part alone. Of course that is a small percentage when he makes over a million a year from all the other sources. The athletic department, like the union, the grant administration organization, all function as subsidiary of the university but allow them to "not for profit" which you can't do with state funds. They operate in ways that allow them to be obscure from the taxpayer but they are in fact benefiting by operating under the university when they want to and not when the don't want to. There is a provost over all of them, in the case of the AD possibly directly to the chancellor.
moderationman (anonymous) says…
Is it really necessary to drag all of this into the public domain? Is it really anyone's business as to what is included? The man has been disgraced. He has lost his job. This is just another in a series of "I don't like Lew so lets stick it to him" actions by Dolph and the World Companies. maybe Dolph would like to publish his Federal Tax 1040 so as to be fair.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
moderationman, aren't there enough shenanigans going on in what is a state institution operating on state property that if we continue to allow an organization that does more to benefit the gambling industry than the taxpaying Kansan all is lost? If people don't like running their show because of public scrutiny at a state institution then maybe they'd better find a nice utility company to fleece or work on wall street. Good God, can't we at least expect more at a state university?!
moralebooster (anonymous) says…
This is old news; who cares.
We wnat to know when Lew Perkins gets fired!
lee_go_hawks (anonymous) says…
I know with basketball and football coaches, their "salaries" are only a portion of their income. The universtiy helps to arrange endorsement deals, radio shows, TV shows, etc., to fill out the coaches "income". This is how they put together a package to pay a coach to be competitive with other universities. It's standard practice.
The university knows that at some point they'll likely be forced to release the information, but I don't blame them for attempting to keep it under wraps. What's the benefit to the school to release this informaiton? None.
lee_go_hawks (anonymous) says…
And I don't understand all the Perkins haters out there. This guy got Bill Self. And he'll likely get us a pretty darn good football coach.
BLITZED (anonymous) says…
I think if we are to ever learn anything from that cowtown to the west (Manhattan) this is the time. When Prince was fired from there the people demanded to know the details of his firing and uncovered a secret clause that would pay him millions of dollars over a period of time. Lets hope that KU did not take notes from these shady contract negotiations. The people need to know where their tax money and Williams funds are going.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
good ol lee, yeah that's all that matters isn't it. sounds like lew isn't the only one who sold what use to be ku values to the highest bidder.
AlfVenison (Alf Venison) says…
Perkins didn't hire Self.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
College sports today run against everything universities should stand for. Time to let the state make money by selling them off, sell them to the chief's as their own farm team. Then there is no conflict of interests. Shoot sell them to the mafia gambling organizations and have even less conflict of interests.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Considering what happened down the road at K-State last year, all those underhanded deals with their last football coach and the former president and his assistant... yeah, this stuff needs the disinfecting power of sunlight.
The challenge, if I'm not mistaken, is essentially this:
"Like many major universities, Kansas and Kansas State have kept their athletic departments immune from state interference by making them private corporations."
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-f...
This is going to be a tough nut to crack. Not impossible... but very tough.
And yes, it needs to happen.
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Agnostick, I believe there is a lot of legalize talk that makes it sound like they are completely independent but that just isn't possible, there is no way the state is going to allow a private corporation to operate on state property. It is a lot of clever talk to throw people off track but it is directly under the university but operates as a separate org but like I said, they pick and chose what they when the want to use the university for somethings and not for others when hiding stuff. You don't suppose any business can use the university's (STATE) airplanes do you?
WilburM (anonymous) says…
No tax deductions for gifts to the athletic corporations. Really simple. The rest of us are funding a couple of pro sports franchises. If they want to be private entities, then no tax deductions; otherwise, a full public accounting.
SFBayhawk (anonymous) says…
"And I don't understand all the Perkins haters out there. This guy got Bill Self."
Lewser hasn't hired any of the revenue producing coaches, only women's basketball. and that produces big bucks.
jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…
Ag--
Here's a possibly relevant portion of the bylaws for Kansas Athletics Inc.:
"Kansas Athletics Incorporated, A Kansas Not-For-Profit corporation, operates under the administrative jurisdiction of the University of Kansas, and is subject to all regulations and administrative policies of the university."
What do you think?
Jonathan Kealing
Online editor
RockyInn (anonymous) says…
lee_go_hawks,
Read some of the comments about Perkins; he has done nothing but hurt the program and badly spend money that Self & Mangino brought in. He needs to be fired asap!
btw, Drue Jennings hired Bill Self, not Perkins.
SFBayhawk (anonymous) says…
"And I don't understand all the Perkins haters out there. This guy got Bill Self."
Lewser hasn't hired any of the revenue producing coaches, only women's basketball. And THAT produces big bucks.
lctchr1 (anonymous) says…
Thanks, LJW. This should all be disclosed to the public.
Ricky_Vaughn (anonymous) says…
A "right" to know? I think the LJW is poking it's nose where it doesn't belong.
Who cares why anyway? It's not going to bring the fat man back. Quit living in the past...
BigAl (anonymous) says…
Lew has also improved athletic facilities all over campus.
My guess is that Mangino doesn't want the investigation to be released to the public.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Here is a source that explains the various operations ran on campus so they can operate "not for profit" which just means they can make all they want they just have to spend it by the end of the year which is easier with massive salaries for the side show operations on campus instead of the real purpose of a university. Got to love those auditing companies though, never look further than interviewing the top people and pulling a few vouchers. Still no answer who us funding Hemenway's retirement salary which is allowed to operate in the dark because of the other dark hole at KU, the endowment.
http://www.kansasregents.org/download...
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
I agree with you, Jack. Just playing a bit of "devil's advocate" here.
In fact, the K-State shenanigans should motivate KU to open up the books, air everything out. "We're not like those bozos down the road--we've got nothing to hide!"
Or... maybe they do.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Jonathan, I think that will help your case, and I think you'll win. Just don't be surprised if you rack up some serious legal fees in the process.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
"BigAl (Anonymous) says…
Lew has also improved athletic facilities all over campus. "
Who cares, he also ruined one of the scenic areas of the campus for a overbuilt practice field that isn't used. And you must not be a basketball fan at KU if you really need a bunch of glitz and glamor to enjoy the game. The fans who came before being priced out of their seats didn't need all that crap.
jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…
Ag--
The Kansas Press Association directed us to KS Statute 45-222. We inlined the text in the story, above.
Jonathan
BigAl (anonymous) says…
I care. And, I attend most home games, both basketball and football. Lew has made huge improvements.
Ricky_Vaughn (anonymous) says…
I think it's part of Mangino's contract that stuff like this be kept private. Why does he need to be publicly humiliated in granular detail?
He did some things the powers that be didn't like, and now he doesn't work here anymore. Can't that be the end of the story?
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Guess you must not care about the game and more for the hype. As KU fans become more JOCOized that seems to be the norm, always needing stimulation because the game just isn't enough.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Shoot, bigal, I can see you sitting in those endzone seats at the football games. Now it all makes sense.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Ricky, I don't think what he did isn't already well know and of course having a bad season is the real reason he is going but what we don't know is how much Lew had to pay him to go quietly. Those are dollars paid for by hard working Americans for their chance to buy a seat at the sporting events, shall they be frittered away by the millionaire AD who you wouldn't expected to let things end up like this in the first place?
guess_again (anonymous) says…
NCAA Manual:
2.1.1 Responsibility for Control: It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association. The institution’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program, including approval of the budget and audit of all expenditures.
2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility: The institution’s responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.
Ricky_Vaughn (anonymous) says…
They've frittered away a lot more than that on the rich boy club at Allen Fieldhouse, Jack.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
If Mangino is seriously in the running for the coach at Notre Dame wouldn't that definitely seal Lew's fate at KU?
promitida (anonymous) says…
Newsflash Sportsfans...Lew didn't fire Mangino all by himself
justthefacts (anonymous) says…
http://www.ksag.org/files/koraoutline... provides good outline on the rules for the open record law. Note that this law does not apply to private entitites. So it applies to records that KU ( a public agency) has, but will not apply to records that a private entity possesses. Which begs the issue, what entities possesses the requested records, and is that entity a public agency or not?
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Any private entity (it a not for profit so it can take money in, that is the only reason they exist, it is not a private company) that operates under a public entity should be under the same basic rules of public records as the JW has already demonstrated when they got Lew's full salary.
BigAl (anonymous) says…
I have a feeling that nothing anyone does would make JackRipper happy. Nothing.
And just mentioning that Mangino could possibly be in the running for the Notre Dame job tells me all I need to know about some people's reasoning ability.
BigAl (anonymous) says…
JackRipper (Anonymous) says… "...Guess you must not care about the game and more for the hype"
I care about the game. That is why Mangino needed to go. His record in the Big-12 is terrible. Like I said in an earlier post, Ron Prince had a better Big-12 record.
mike_blur (Mike Blur) says…
This is all "second verse, same as the first." Just like in 2004, the LJW and KPA will take the KUAC to court, and the judge will find in favor of the plaintiffs.
And, of course, KU Athletics will provide the settlement information demanded. The only question is, which media outlet will receive that information first? It will NOT be the J-W, let me tell you. It will likely be the KC Star or the Topeka C-J that will "scoop" the J-W on this. Mark my words.
It's just amusing that Perkins and the KUAC "used" the LJ-W throughout the Mangino witch hunt. Now the deed is done, Perkins has no use for the J-W and the status quo is reinstated. I just wonder if Dolph and his buddies got seat upgrades out of getting used!
srj (anonymous) says…
I think the settlement agreement should be released, but the investigation records to be burned, KU should not interfere in whatever job he will get down the road.
Thinking he would be a popular offensive coordinator choice this season.
gccs14r (anonymous) says…
"I think the settlement agreement should be released, but the investigation records to be burned, KU should not interfere in whatever job he will get down the road."
I think parents have a right to know whether a potential coach has a habit of permanently disabling his players.
TheGreatOz (anonymous) says…
How much did Mangino take home a year? How many years left of his contract? Shouldn't that be a ballpark figure?
Besides, who cares? This has turned into a witch hunt.
bad_dog (anonymous) says…
If the settlement agreement utilizes typical language and provisions, both parties agree to keep the terms of the settlement confidential. Confidential settlements can, however, be set aside and the terms disclosed upon order from a Court of competent jurisdiction.
Given the above, Kansas Athletics' refusal to disclose the terms may be mere compliance with the terms of the settlement, while knowing it will generate an Open Records request and thus a Court order.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Actually Al all it would take to make me happy is taking sports off the public dole! There is no need for it at a university, there is no need for cities to be blackmailed by sports organizations to build them their massive stadiums and the only ones profiting are the owners and AD's who managed to work themselves into a pretty sweet life taking from the taxpayer and giving nothing back. What is the point of university sports when few involved are actually Kansans in the first place, using KU as an example. Have all the sports you want, at least the kind you want where you watch others play, but do it all on the money that people are willing to pay for it.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
“I think the settlement agreement should be released, but the investigation records to be burned, KU should not interfere in whatever job he will get down the road.”
Sound like you want an organization that doesn't operate at a university which sounds good to me, sell it, get it off campus and see how profitable it is when they build their own stadiums and pay all the expenses and don't get tax write off contributions.
ksangel1 (anonymous) says…
The request filed Friday also requests that the athletics corporation release the results of an investigation into Mangino’s conduct as coach.
The athletics corporation denied access to those records, claiming they were directly related to job performance, and exempt from disclosure under the open records law.
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What a farce! The details seemed open to the public when the allegations were being investigated. How long can Lew get away with this?!?!??!
guess_again (anonymous) says…
Two parties cannot on their own decide that a document subject to the open records act should not subject to the act. The law controls, not the wishes of Perkins, Mangino, and the KU chancellor.
Neither is this a settlement made under the supervision of any court because of a lawsuit. It is a merely an agreement between two parties. A contract.
gccs14r (anonymous) says…
Now that the lawsuit has been filed, it sounds like KUAC is going to release a "sanitized" agreement. It was apparently good enough to get Mangino to agree to resign yesterday, but suddenly it's not good enough to release under an Open Records request today. Maybe they'll try to re-write it so all the money goes to Mrs. Mangino, thinking that'll get them around the disclosure requirement.
faceit (anonymous) says…
BigAl,
Wake up there buddy, you're talking nonsense. You can't make a straight comparison between Mangino's record and Prince's. You need to look at who they followed as part of that statistic.
No one, let me say that again, NO ONE has done more damage to this university than Perkins. He's dragged the program through the mud, DURING the season. That could have waited two weeks. Maybe we could have at least beaten Missouri. As mentioned before, look at that ridiculous practice field. Look at the placement of it. Anyone can film practices now and as mentioned, it ruined the beauty of the surrounding area as well as reducing the existing parking. Tailgating has been reduced thanks to Lew. He failed to turn that into the profit and atmosphere generator that KSU did. Lew is a complete bone head. He sold out the seating to the field house in again the most ridiculous way possible. He didn't gain that by bouncing the existing seat holders. We could have been given a much better option so that we didn't have the bitterness that he left us with. The man has NO vision. He has apparently surrounded himself with amateurs and does whatever stupid ideas they come up with. His staff hates him, UConn hated him, he has anger management problems himself. Look what he did to Wichita State's program. He going to get fired eventually. We need to do it now so we can at least recruit a decent coach.
kujayhawk7476 (anonymous) says…
The Lawrence "Urinal" World, 6News and KUSports.com are all owned by the Simons family who are purportedly Jayhawk fans. Traitors. Let sleeping dogs lie.
Is Tom Keegan afraid he will be fired for being too fat?
guess_again (anonymous) says…
gccs14r (Anonymous) says… "Now that the lawsuit has been filed..."
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There is no lawsuit.
biggunz (anonymous) says…
OMG. There are some real idiots on here. People, at least try to do a little research before posting crap on a public forum.
BTW, Perkins did not hire Self. It was the interim AD Drew Jennings. And although not fact, it will be a cold day in hell when ND hires Mangino as head coach!
JustNoticed (anonymous) says…
What a great photograph by Nick Krug. Well done, Nick.
TLR (anonymous) says…
Wow-lots of "stuff" going on here. The power of the press rules here I guess. Do we really think all this is going to make a difference? Mangino is gone - that's the bottom line. Long live the new coach. However, remember a few short years ago when no one cared about KU football. That's Mangino's KU legacy.
I am amazed that with the exception of a few comments; most are written in drudge language. That's impressive!
Rickyonealku (anonymous) says…
He said the settlement agreement had not yet been finalized, and suggested the request be filed again in 10 to 14 days, well that means around Christmas when government offices and University of Kansas is on break and CLOSED.
yankeevet (anonymous) says…
all that money paid out for nothing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
SFBayhawk (anonymous) says…
"He has apparently surrounded himself with amateurs and does whatever stupid ideas they come up with. "
These guys ALSO come at $145,000 per annum/idiot.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Pilgrim2 as usual you are willing to overlook vast amounts of money wasted without batting an eye. When you screwed all the long time fans of KU sports so you could sell their seats to corporate donors shouldn't there be some accounting for where all that money is going to prove whether it was worth the damage done at KU by this vulture?
Warren6032 (anonymous) says…
How come other big time athletics institutions such as Texas, North Carolina, UCLA etc. do not have the same conversaries with their athletic dept (director), like KU has.
guess_again (anonymous) says…
18 posts on one topic? JackRipper: Take those meds. OCD can be managed.
merrill (anonymous) says…
Some of these large salaries may well be coming on the backs of local taxpayers. In order to maintain such funding multiple sources are likely demanded.
Each time a home is played abroad in order to rake in more dough for KU athletics it hurts Lawrence,Kansas sales tax revenue generation. Local business people are impacted so I would say yes we need to bring home games home. Think tax increases to make up for the revenue our fair city once had to fill the local cookie jars.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Pilgram you ought to read the story on American's lack of reasoning. College sports encouraging kids who don't belong at college is not a benefit, especially as classes are being cut why should the purpose of the university be lost on those who aren't scholars and only looking for that big job that comes from a piece of paper. If cheating is a big issue at our universities isn't that enough proof for a career gym graduate that there are too many not at the university as scholars?! Go ahead, base success on how many served like a McKU and then sit around and wonder why our top leaders just continue to amaze in their greed and selfishness.
anonmouse (anonymous) says…
Pilgrim2 (Anonymous) says…
Just knew the gym class flunkies would show up on this. The problem with your elitist view, rip, is that college athletics actually benefit the ***entire*** university community. I've posted the studies before. Do I need to do it again?
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Yes, please post those again.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Yeah, studies from over 20 years ago before the great explosion in excessive sports spending we are at today. And uconn? The fact is at KU is there was a need for a new science building which the previous chancellor tried to get the students to fund themselves along with some endowment funds. The students wisely didn't go along with that but during this time period and after many millions, what was requested from the students for an academic building went to build sports facilities. Pilgrim it is obvious you think warball should be given equal footing to academics but it should be obvious that now days sports are sucking dollars away from academics.
SFBayhawk (anonymous) says…
I've always wondered...how much rent does Kansas Athletics, Inc. pay for the use of Memorial and AFH?
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
SFBayhawk gets to the point, how does the athletic department cover the basic taxpayer provided expenses before creating multi millionaires, especially ones that decided only people with money the only worthy fans? We've only learned recently that athletics are now covering their own utilities and that the university actually has to pay the money to cover the reduced priced tickets for faculty and staff, one more way academics is taken for a ride by the new athletic mentality.
riverat (Joe Hyde) says…
I don't mean this as any disrespect toward Athletic Director Perkins or former KU football coach Mangino. But what confuses me about this "compensation" issue is that there's a discussion of compensation at all.
Mr. Mangino did not get fired, he resigned. Had he been fired with years remaining on his contract then, yes, he would be owed compensation, but only if that feature were built into his contract.
But he resigned. So I don't understand how a person can voluntarily resign from a job -- any job -- then keep getting paid for work he won't be doing. Keep getting paid for work he would have done had he not quit.
As I understand this, Mr. Mangino resigned with time still left on his contract. Continuing to pay someone -- anyone -- after they've quit their job, this doesn't make sense. If taxpayers end up footing the bill on this, it's because of sloppy contracting work by the Athletic Department, and even sloppier contract oversight by the University.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Again, your study was well before the massive increases in college sports. Here are some stories that are current that discuss some of the issues, one being exactly what is discussed-transparency. And here for you Pilgrim so you don't have to struggle reading, all these are from this decade too-
"Unfortunately, the Knight Commission survey reports that university presidents share the popular misconception that successful athletic programs bring in more donations. An equally popular - and equally false - notion among university presidents is that successful athletics programs attract higher quality students. These apparent benefits of athletic spending may be contributing to the reluctance of many university presidents to push for real reform. "
http://education-portal.com/articles/...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colleg...
http://www.connection-collegeboard.co...
hawk780 (anonymous) says…
RiverRat- get a clue. Mangino only "resigned" because that was part of the deal.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) says…
There is something about that picture of Lew that reminded me of this guy:
http://rachelmaude.com/wp-content/upl...
gsxr600 (anonymous) says…
Are you blaming LJWorld for this? Yeah, they reported it excessively like it was going out of style, but they didn't create the issue.
Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) says…
Time to move on. Mangino's gone; Lew is staying. Is anyone really shocked university athletics is big business? Without major sports KU would receive far less money and recognition. Without KU Lawrence would resemble Eudora or, if it were lucky and had a little private school, Baldwin. There are bigger fish to fry. To cite one prime example, the Legislature hopes to turn KU into a second-class institution by deliberate underfunding. Now that's worth getting excited about.
lwctown (anonymous) says…
Football has had a good run...maybe its time to just stop. People apparently get to wrapped up in stuff that just doesnt matter. Less traffic in town....more time to focus on real things that matter in life. Sure a few less hot wings and a few less beers are sold but people will find something else to spend money on.
As Noam Chomsky says "Take, say, sports -- that's another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it -- you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that's of no importance. That keeps them from worrying about...keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it's striking to see the intelligence that's used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports [as opposed to political and social issues]. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in -- they have the most exotic information and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this.
You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? I mean, I don't know anybody on the team, you know? I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn't mean any -- it doesn't make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements -- in fact, it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that's why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on."
alfie (anonymous) says…
Turner Gill meeting with Perkins Sunday...
hesshawk (anonymous) says…
Did_I-say-that good likeness
But I still think if you put a little makeup around his eyes you have Uncle Fester
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24...
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Pilgrim, yes please read the reasoning article. So statistics don't lie and can't be used the way they are needed for the point of the person pushing it? Come on Pilgrim, yes you reasoning is what you lack. Gene Budig is just out there spouting stuff like he wouldn't be uniquely qualified on the topic by the fact he has been active as a chancellor and a baseball commissioner?! Yeah, just a guy without any insight. And Uconn? You can't figure that one out on your own? Here is some information on your Uconn, from the NCAA no less:
http://ctsportslaw.com/2008/05/22/nca...
http://ctsportslaw.com/2008/04/09/uco...
And you do realize that the problem is if all schools will need to keep spending to keep up with even a small school like KU that is spending many millions more than it did just 10 years ago for an AD then it is unsustainable! It is out of control, the whole point of all this.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
And gosh, what's this all about? It is starting to sound much like the way KU sports is heading. Is this really what KU wants?!
http://www.the40yearplan.com/article_...
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Get some facts? How convenient as we see at KU with our former Uconn AD that you can't get facts from the source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xokthY...
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Is KU really ready to through its reputation out the window of being a class act just to win? Is it ok if Perkins hires an other out of control coach just in order to win? Especially when it is overall a loosing proposition for KU to play the sports arms race.
http://waterburyobserver.blogspot.com...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-71777...
http://www.kansascity.com/732/story/1...
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Uh, no one is voting for this and we need tax laws to change that are being twisted to allow tax exemptions for giving to athletics plus the public expense of the facilities. What facts do you need when it is pretty easy to see that it is a sports arms race that is unstainable. Can you really not see that? Can't you read that articles? Oh and here is the link, I suppose since you also like trampling on Native Americans for a stupid road you have no problems using smear and strong arm tactics to keep people from disagreeing with you on sports either, the new Roman empire:
http://www.the40yearplan.com/article_...
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
As long as the coach is winning any behavior is ok as proven here with Mangino:
Calhoun won two national championships. Auriemma would win six.
“I think that’s some of the best stuff I ever did is keeping those guys there,” Perkins said.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
"http://www.the40yearplan.com/article_082109_UConn_LTR_to%20Michael_Hogan.php"
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Seriously, you are clueless. When you vote with dollars getting a tax break and a choice seat at the same time isn't quite a fair election of that vote. Your version of democracy is a lot like the ones in central American countries, what else should we expect.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
And if you read you would have seen only a very small number of athletic departments are able to make money, of course after prostituting every single thing they can including the name of the state, and subsidizes from the school are required (+$100,000 for Lew's salary for instance) and yet you think some how as the alumni in other schools require winning teams that some how this is possible across the country? It is a losing proposition and it operates in a mixed taxpayer funded and private tax exempt dollar world that is hurting not only the schools but the state.
JackRipper (anonymous) says…
Pilgrim if you remember, Lew's state salary was the only part of his package that was made available when he started and that was the figure. It wasn't until the open records request did we find out how much more he made.
Our representatives can be easily be said to represent their contributors more than the people who they supposedly represent.