Archive for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

KU police officers stand by as students challenge evangelical ministers

August 26, 2009

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Two evangelical ministers caused a bit of a stir Wednesday at Kansas University’s Wescoe Beach, a popular hangout for students on campus.

One of the ministers was discussing his religious beliefs, which generated a crowd of about 100 students who stood around him and challenged his words. He was carrying a large cane and wearing a sign that read “Fear God, Trust Jesus.”

Capt. Schuyler Bailey, KU Public Safety Office spokesman, said a few campus police officers stood nearby to make sure there were no problems and that everyone’s point of view was heard.

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shorttrees 5 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, They drew the same crowds, but rarely had cops nearby.

Remember the Tan Man?

ralphralph 5 years, 8 months ago

Liberals believe in free speech for those with whom they agree. Everyone else gets shouted down. Where did you think the health-care protesters got the method ... from clever conservatives?

parrothead8 5 years, 8 months ago

The story didn't mention that anybody got "shouted down," ralphralph, just that a crowd gathered and "challenged his words." There's a difference.

maxcrabb 5 years, 8 months ago

"Fear God, TRUST Jesus."

Man, what a sales team that would be!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

I remember seeing Sister Cindy in Fayetteville, Ark in 1982. Is she still pounding the pavements?

jonas_opines 5 years, 8 months ago

Well, if it was the same ones as always are. . . :

"One of the ministers was discussing his religious beliefs"

Discussed = standing on one of the concrete planters, shouting

Challenged = idiot college man/boy(s) shouting that the guy is a retard.

stood nearby = well, stood nearby, likely, in the fashion of KU police, idly

Now, let's continue taking this totally inoccuous occurance and drawing sinister implications from it.

Yarg, Free Speech being squelched by teh libruls!!

bearded_gnome 5 years, 8 months ago

why even bother doing this article???

  1. who were the "evangelical" boys? how do you even know they were "evangelical?"

  2. were the police called, or did they happen by with donuts in their hands and stood around?

  3. "discussed," or do you mean "cussed?" rather a difference.

bondmen 5 years, 8 months ago

God bless his boldness. Jesus was hated by many in His day.

mom_of_three 5 years, 8 months ago

I walked by as this was getting started. Guess the evangelical was saying things the crowd didn't like. SO the students exercised their rights to free speech by drowning him out. And the students were chanting loudly in unison at one point.

mickeyrat 5 years, 8 months ago

I can't believe the LJW couldn't figure this out (or be bothered to find out), but for those of you having fond recollections of Brother Jed years ago, the newsflash is it WAS Brother Jed on Wescoe Beach today.

Strange to think I first saw him 25 years ago. Shoulda been there!

BlackVelvet 5 years, 8 months ago

"stood nearby = well, stood nearby, likely, in the fashion of KU police, idly"

what would you have had them do, Jonas?

jonas_opines 5 years, 8 months ago

MichaelJ: I'd have them stand idly by. There was no intended value judgment, just that if they were there they were likely just hanging out. Certainly better than getting bigheaded and trying to restore the peace or such things.

pace 5 years, 8 months ago

The peddlers should be required to have a license and a back ground check just like any other shills. They also should be bound to the hate speech laws. I thought salespeople were suppose to have permits to shill on the hill. thank god and millions of gallons of good mens blood they have the right to peddle their tripe.

BlackVelvet 5 years, 8 months ago

I have friends on the KUPD. I didn't know if you were implying they never do anything but stand around or not. Okay, thanks.

maxcrabb 5 years, 8 months ago

I only see good things in this article.

Free speech was exercised. The police stood by and kept an eye on things but didn't interfere. Different opinions where put out in the open. No guns were fired. No punches were thrown.

That's more civilized than campus in the '60's and '70's. I mean.. the Union didn't burn itself down.

KEITHMILES05 5 years, 8 months ago

Wayne Simien did the same sort of preaching when he was in school. I suppose the students didn't bother him.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 8 months ago

i see these preacher types up on Mass. quite often. they yell their religious jargon across the intersections. There's generally a yeller, and then a handful of grabbers. those that find you paying attention then they start in on you directly. I'm with these students. I will stand toe to toe and go word for word with them about how wrong they are.

having your beliefs shot down in flames is the price you pay for preaching them in public.

conservativepunker 5 years, 8 months ago

If instead it was a Muslim, Buddist, or any other religion would the great outcry have happened? I think not.....

Plurilingual 5 years, 8 months ago

conservativepunker (Anonymous) says…

If instead it was a Muslim, Buddist, or any other religion would the great outcry have happened? I think not…..


If the Muslim or Buddhist or whatever were yelling at people that they were going to suffer horrible violence if they don't join up, then probably yes.

gogoplata 5 years, 8 months ago

Nothing to see here.

This is the land of the free. As a fellow Christian I applaud this man reaching out to people with the Gospel. As a fellow American I respect the students rights to argue with him. Nothing wrong with the peaceful exchange of ideas.

Danimal 5 years, 8 months ago

It always makes KU students look like a bunch of slack-jawed mouth breathers when these people come to town. Seriously kids, if you don't agree just shuffle along instead of making an ass out of yourself by yelling at these guys. It only gives them reason to keep coming back when they can create a stir.

jayhawkzrule 5 years, 8 months ago

conservativepunker (Anonymous) says…

If instead it was a Muslim, Buddist, or any other religion would the great outcry have happened? I think not…..


My thoughts exactly.

dweezil222 5 years, 8 months ago

Just get some folks out there with FSM signs to counterbalance. Be touched by His Noodly Appendage!

ClaroAtaxia 5 years, 8 months ago

Why is religion regarded more highly than superstition? They are one in the same.

Just because you have freedom of speech does not mean that society has to react kindly and tolerate such pointless superstition.

gogoplata 5 years, 8 months ago

Just because you have freedom of speech does not mean that society has to react kindly and tolerate such pointless superstition.

Actually it does mean they have to tolerate it.

classclown 5 years, 8 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

  1. “discussed,” or do you mean “cussed?” rather a difference.

Maybe it was "dissed" and "cussed" but in order to save column length or for some nefarious reason the editors combined the two words into one.

jonas_opines 5 years, 8 months ago

"If instead it was a Muslim, Buddist, or any other religion would the great outcry have happened? I think not….."

Never seen anyone from those two groups standing on a planter yelling about their faiths. The only other group on campus to publicly push their faith on the hill is the Hare Krishnas, and they do so on a one-on-one basis, and truly do recieve some individual ridicule from time to time.

But it sure takes bravery to draw a false parallel using non-existant events, yep.

MyName 5 years, 8 months ago

@ralph and marion:

I think it's funny that you seem to focus on the ONE guy exercising his right to free speech while acting like the ONE hundred plus students who are doing the same thing are somehow illegitimate.

If you want to make an ass of yourself in public, the First Amendment will make sure you are allowed to, but it doesn't shield you from the consequences (including loud disapproval from the "audience" you are speaking to, or in this case, preaching at).

Shane Garrett 5 years, 8 months ago

Didn't Sister Cindy profess to being a roller disco queen before she found the straight and narrow? If so then I also remember Jeb and Cindy and how they shouted that all fornicators were going to burn in hell!

Sigmund 5 years, 8 months ago

Police do nothing as nothing happens. I'm surprised this wasn't a "Breaking News Story.".

Shane Garrett 5 years, 8 months ago

p>TheReligionofPeace.com is a great site for religious toleration, compassion and humility.

MyName 5 years, 8 months ago

Police do nothing as nothing happens. I'm surprised this wasn't a “Breaking News Story.”

LOL

I think it got bumped by the "something almost happens, but then ends up not happening after all" story. Or was that the weather? It's so hard to tell anymore.

jonas_opines 5 years, 8 months ago

MyName (Anonymous) says…

@ralph and marion:

"I think it's funny that you seem to focus on the ONE guy exercising his right to free speech while acting like the ONE hundred plus students who are doing the same thing are somehow illegitimate."

How could you use this to blame it on liberals or show their destruction of our values? If you can't use something to do this then it's just useless.

Christine Anderson 5 years, 8 months ago

Multi: I also remember Jed and Cindy. Gosh, I was such a young, naive little thing when they were on campus in the early 80's. Did you know that Jed and Cindy ended up getting married sometime in the 80's?

Shane Garrett 5 years, 8 months ago

Wait a minute fornicators were not going to burn in hell. They were going to burn in a "LAKE OF FIRE!" And rock n' roll was going to make you burn in a "LAKE OF FIRE!" Still makes me laugh today.

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 8 months ago

Yet again, conservative geniuses display their "wide knowledge" of the world by asking if there would have been an outcry if it was "Muslims or Buddhists"....

Ya think that just might be because Christianity is the only religion that specifically encourages prosthelytizing in its doctrine? Maybe? No? Just me?

I swear, if Conservatives ever bothered to learn a thing about the world outside of their narrow views, they might eventually be worth listening to. Instead, we get the same blind ignorance and mindless parroting of the same ethically bankrupt point-of-view.

jonas_opines 5 years, 8 months ago

"Are you really trying to say that Kansas is the home of tolerance when it comes to Muslims and Buddhists?"

http://www.kctv5.com/news/18479481/detail.html

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 8 months ago

At least they aren't being ostracized and driven out of town like the predecessors of this loudmouth did back in the day.

Dinosaur sighting!

bearded_gnome 5 years, 8 months ago

Ya think that just might be because Christianity is the only religion that specifically encourages prosthelytizing in its doctrine? Maybe? No? Just me?

I swear, if Conservatives ever bothered to learn a thing about the world outside of their narrow views, they might eventually be worth listening to. Instead, we get the same blind ignorance and mindless parroting of the same ethically bankrupt point-of-view.

---"blind ignorance" exemplified by this poster...another selfcanceling post. apparently this poster is totally unaware of the content of the Quran. it includes, for example, commands for Muslims to attack nonbelievers in their midst. that when they conquer a people, that people can either convert to Islam or pay a big tax.

"blind ignorance." yeah, that's right.

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 8 months ago

I've read the Quran, gnome. Have you?

Don't rely on what Rush and O'Reilly says is in it. Actually crack a book, and find out for yourself.

Oh, that's right. Conservatives don't read books, they ban them.

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