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Jeep hits bicyclist

October 17, 2008

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A bicyclist riding down Massachusetts Street was struck by a vehicle Thursday.

Lawrence police officers were called to the accident in the 900 block of Massachusetts Street just before 2 p.m.

Police said a 41-year-old Lawrence man was driving his Jeep northbound on Massachusetts Street and attempted to turn into a parking stall.

A 21-year-old man riding a bicycle tried to pass the Jeep on the right, causing the Jeep to strike the bike. The cyclist declined medical treatment at the scene. Police said the accident caused minor damage to the truck and the bicycle.

Comments

BrianR 6 years, 7 months ago

The issue isn't whether the bike was supposed to be on the right or in the lane, the accident wouldn't have happened if the cyclist was driving the same speed as the traffic. If you're flying up the side, you could become a hood ornament and be glad fins have gone out of style.

hail2oldku 6 years, 7 months ago

imastinker (Anonymous) says: "No matter how it happened, the cyclist is at fault because he was passing on the right."One more time stinker, you cannot make this statement without knowing the full facts surrounding the situation. The cyclist could have been riding along properly, possibly even at the posted speed limit, when the Jeep passed him and then turned in front of him without allowing enough room to turn after making the pass. In that case, the Jeep driver would be guilty of speeding, passing illegally (double yellow on Mass. Street), and failure to yield right of way.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

A bicyclist riding down Massachusetts Street was struck by a vehicle Thursday.---ljworld, this is not consistant with the rest of the article. looks like bike hit jeep. you know, first it was SUV's, now "we're all gonna die" because of jeeps. so everyone with a jeep needs to watch their vehicle very carefully.***I love how Boozo and Jaqieripperius automatically demonize the jeep driver! some comments popping up are as predictable as the sunrise! wonder if the boys and girls at ljworld put this article up with a bet on how long until the driver got smeared.

weluvbowling 6 years, 7 months ago

I had this happen to me on Mass one time about 2 years ago. The guy was flying down Mass. I went to turn into a stall in front of the bank at 9th & Mass and he ran into the right side of my car. He sprung back onto his bike like he was on a spring board and took off. I went into a panic, tried to get my window down, when I finally did I yelled are you okay and the guy waved his arm at me and continued his fast pace down Mass street passing all of the traffic on the right. Within a few months the side molding on my car finally fell off and I had to have it put back on. I still have to have the paint touched up. I never even thought about damage to my car. I was worried about him.

Jaylee 6 years, 7 months ago

mustbhiorlo (Anonymous) says:"so if the jeep had its blinker on, the bicyclist was at fault, if the jeep didn't have its blinker on, the driver of the jeep was at fault. saying the guy on the bike was trying to pass on the right is the reason for the wreck is just moronic."agreed agreed!! the ONLY way this could have been the biker's fault is if the car had in fact signaled it was about to turn in and the biker ignoring it. otherwise mr jeep needs to care for/respect other individuals on the road

Sheila Hooper White 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm not saying that either one, biking or driving, are a bad thing. I guess b/c of were I live and the streets I drive I tend to see many cyclists.I think everyone should pay more attention, not just the drivers and bikers. Sometimes it's even the walkers. I'm a life long Lawrence resident and have had friends who have been hit on their bikes. I don't think I said anything about be surprised b/c bikes are on the road. I know there are. My daughter actually rides her bike to schools sometimes. Again, I'm just stating that EVERYONE needs to pay attention.And I've seen my fair share of bicyclists run red lights or stop signs also.

countrygirl 6 years, 7 months ago

boltzman--did you see the accident? Inside scoop would be good.

budwhysir 6 years, 7 months ago

Just for clarrification, passing on the right is only against the law if the person being hurt has a good lawyer that can create a bogus lawsuit costing the innocent big money for one wise guys attempt at being "smart"

gccs14r 6 years, 7 months ago

Signal before pulling in to a parking stall and the bicyclist won't try to pass you. (Unless he's suicidal.) Also, look over your right shoulder before making right turns, just in case.

gccs14r 6 years, 7 months ago

"In reality, there should be no passing on Mass at all."I know someone who was crossing Mass in a crosswalk and got hit because some *ssclown pulled out to pass the traffic that stopped for him.

notajayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

mustbhiorlo (Anonymous) says: "Read it and weep:"Maybe you should have read the page before posting the link. Do your own weeping:"8-1587. Traffic laws apply to persons riding bicycles.(All traffic laws apply to bicyclists.)""Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this act, except as otherwise provided in K.S.A. 8-1586 to 8-1592, inclusive, and except as to those provisions of this act which by their nature can have no application."Also:"(a) Every person operating a bicycle or a moped upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable, except under any of the following situations when: (1) Overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; "In other words, yes, bicycles are supposed to stay to the right - except when passing another vehicle.*****JackRipper (Anonymous) says: "Now all we have to do is wait for nota to tell us cars are the only means of travel as mandated by God."Why jacquie, babe, it's so nice to see you still have your obsession with my posts. Since I'd hate to disappoint, let's see, who is it that's trying to impose his will on others as to travel choices? Maybe the person who said this?"Sounds like a good excuse to ban cars from downtown on Mass." - Jacka__Ripper

countrygirl 6 years, 7 months ago

uh musthiorio---duh!I'm wondering if the jeep signaled and then turned? Did it pass the cyclist and then turn? The fault on this could have gone either way and the story doesn't give us enough info to know.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

My advice to bike riders is to stay off of Mass St. If you hang to the right, as is expected, even if you aren't passing on the right, cars will pass you on the left, only to immediately cut you off as they pull into a parking stall-- plus cars backing out of parking stalls won't see you, or will just plain ignore you. And if you try to avoid these situations by pulling out into the main stream of traffic, you run the risk of road rage from some car driver who thinks you're infringing on their automotive birthright.

boltzmann 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, Notajayhawk, The bicyclist wasn't attempting to pass the vehicle in question. The car turned in front of the bicyclist without making sure that the bicyclist had either slowed down to let him turn or passed through the turning area. This is illegal under Kansas law according to the drivers handbook (cited in my post above). The language there is pretty specific.

boltzmann 6 years, 7 months ago

This is from the Kansas driver handbook. It seems to be pretty clear."If the cyclist is traveling between you and the side of road as you are preparing to turn, be sure the cyclist knows of your intention, and is not in your path as you make the turn. If the rider is riding along the right edge of the roadway, in accordance with the law, your must wait until the cyclist slows down to allow you to turn in front of the cycle, or proceeds through the turning area before you make your turn."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

"Also , there is no possible way that the bike rider in this article wasn't fully responsible:NEVER pass on the right."This was addressed in at least a couple of posts. Sure, there is no shortage of idiots on bicycles, but it's also quite likely that the jeep passed the bike, only to immediately attempt to park, cutting off the cyclist-- happens all the time. But from the info available in this article, it's impossible to tell who was at fault.

tanaumaga 6 years, 7 months ago

My advice to bike riders is to stay off of Mass St. If you hang to the right, as is expected........It's not hard to keep up with traffic on downtown Mass....the speed limit is 20....that can be done with relative ease...you don't have to be Lance Armstrong to keep that pace up. Ride right down the middle of the lane, being visible to cars coming from any direction. Also , there is no possible way that the bike rider in this article wasn't fully responsible...NEVER pass on the right.

Sheila Hooper White 6 years, 7 months ago

ralph - i agree! when people don't use their signal I would like to ask them if turn signals were optional on their car:)

hail2oldku 6 years, 7 months ago

"just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "the situation where a car passes a bike and then 10-15 feet past the bike sees a stall to pull into."This situation isn't limited to Mass St. parking stalls. It's a fairly regular occurrence to be passed by car, only to have that car immediately make a right turn onto another street, cutting off the bike rider."Agreed bozo, I'm was just pointing out that it happens so often on Mass. that I avoid that street altogether when I ride.

countrygirl 6 years, 7 months ago

Gee, I didn't see anything that said the bike shouldn't be on the right side of the road. But even so, NOBODY should be passing on the right side of a vehicle or bike.

boltzmann 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually, according to the passage from the drivers handbook that I cited above, there does not seem to be any requirement in Kansas law for the bicyclist to stop even if the turning car is signaling. It is much the same as when someone signals to go from one lane to the other, if you are in the lane into which they are turning you are under no obligation to get out of their way, although it is generally courteous, and often safer, to do so. I think that part of the problem is that Kansas law is ambiguous at best, and contradictory at worst, when it comes to bicycles - bikes are required to ride on the right and passages, like those I cited, appear to imply that the bikes should be treated as if they occupy a separate lane; however, it does not explicitly say so.

countrygirl 6 years, 7 months ago

Um, isn't it illegal to pass on the right?

hail2oldku 6 years, 7 months ago

"gccs14r (Anonymous) says: Signal before pulling in to a parking stall and the bicyclist won't try to pass you. (Unless he's suicidal.) Also, look over your right shoulder before making right turns, just in case."Without knowing the exact situation, it is difficult to tell who is more at fault in this situation, but as a cyclists I tend to avoid Mass. Street because you have to watch out on both sides of you to avoid people pulling into stalls as in this case as well as those backing out. I have seen cases like bowling described where it was the bicyclists fault completely as they are cruising up on cars that are moving slower in heavy traffic as opposed to the situation where a car passes a bike and then 10-15 feet past the bike sees a stall to pull into.

ralphralph 6 years, 7 months ago

Turn signals (a/k/a blinkers) save lives.They're usually on the left side of the steering column.Flip up to turn right, and down for left.100 feet before you turn (the law says), or at least several blinks before you start turning.People don't seem to know this.All the Click-it-or-ticket is nonsense.It should be Blink-it-or-ticket.You don't need a seat belt if you don't cause a wreck by failing to signal your turn.p.s. - I love each and every one of you.

Bob_Keeshan 6 years, 7 months ago

In reality, there should be no passing on Mass at all.Can you imagine if cars tried to pass each other on Mass?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

"the situation where a car passes a bike and then 10-15 feet past the bike sees a stall to pull into."This situation isn't limited to Mass St. parking stalls. It's a fairly regular occurrence to be passed by car, only to have that car immediately make a right turn onto another street, cutting off the bike rider.

mom_of_three 6 years, 7 months ago

Don't know whose fault it was, because there are cyclists and cars who don't obey the traffic laws. As I drive to campus every day, there are the same two or three people on bicycles who don't stop at the stop signs that autos stop at. They either fly through them on my right, or fly through them in front of me after I have stopped. If you are on a road that has auto traffic, wouldn't you want to obey the traffic rules to avoid being hurt?

tanaumaga 6 years, 7 months ago

did the jeep have brake lights? was the cyclist following closely? does anybody care anymore?

Judgesmails 6 years, 7 months ago

If he was wearing spandex then he deserved it..

wysiwyg69 6 years, 7 months ago

good job jeep, 1000 to 1 are the odds the biker was being a typical, " I do not have to fear an automobile type of biker!

Confrontation 6 years, 7 months ago

I see this almost every time I drive down Mass. St. It doesn't matter if you use your blinker or not, since those on bikes seem to think they can do anything they want. They deserve a good bump on the head sometimes.

Sheila Hooper White 6 years, 7 months ago

Everyone needs to pay attention. That whats wrong today people are to into there own things that they aren't worried about others around them. Some people on bikes are no better than people in cars. I've seen many blow the stop sign at 31st and Louisiana and up on campus. I've seen drivers and bikers on cell phones. PAY ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!!!nota - you said it before i could about jack blaming the car.

imastinker 6 years, 7 months ago

Bowhunter - correct!When I ride my bike, in a situation where I can keep up with traffic, I use a whole lane to keep people from cutting around me. I learned this from the motorcycle training program. In no situation should you be going faster than traffic, because that is dangerous.No matter how it happened, the cyclist is at fault because he was passing on the right.

notajayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

mustbhiorlo (Anonymous) says: "notajayhawk, your comprehension level is low. Do you see anywhere in the text that you copied and pasted from the link that I supplied, that says the bicyclist was passing the jeep? :get a clue, genius!"Maybe not from the link you posted. Did you try reading the story this message board is attached to before you posted, clueless?>>> "A 21-year-old man riding a bicycle tried to pass the Jeep on the right, causing the Jeep to strike the bike. "Please do try to keep up.****JackRipper (Anonymous) says: "I don't think closing a road to car traffic is denying the right to drive cars"You could have stopped after "I don't think," jackie. (Although that's self-evident.) Hmmm - closing a road to car traffic doesn't keep people from driving cars. Brilliant as always, jackie.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 7 months ago

"Sounds like a good excuse to ban cars from downtown on Mass." - Jacka__Ripper---jaqieripperiusoh, and this isn't demonizing the jeep driver? what the heck planet do you live on Jaqie? just as easily you could have said:"good excuse to stop all bikes on Mass!" your later post about auto drivers, etc., makes it clear you really are antidriver, more than ol' Merrill! and, that's going a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way!jaqie, indeed, you are as predictable as the sunrise. now, as to my comments, I simply object to demonizing the driver, when by what it actually says in the article the bicyclist might just be at fault! however, in your demented, twisted mind, full of contradictions, mazes, and dead ends, you can't admit that a bicyclist might be at fault. is that because you might be addicted to bicycling? you were scared when very young by a driver? you were in the car and your drunken father nearly killed you in an accident? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

weluvbowling 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, I am a working person here so I can't seem to keep up on all the posts. I guess I should have added that I had passed the bicyclist 2 blocks back and next thing I know he is on my right...yes, bicyclists are to ride on the right. I am 45 yrs old and this has been a law since I was a kid...nothing new! I also had my blinker on and looked over my right but my guess is he was in my blind spot.I always obeyed the traffic signs though driving a car or riding a bike. I feel that keeps you alive! There are stop signs/lights for a reason. And ALWAYS use your blinkers! DUHHHHHH they too are there for a reason! I am not saying that it wasn't my fault or his. I just know it scared the h - e double toothpicks outta me! Have a GREAT day everyone!

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