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srj (Anonymous) says…

Shaking head. I know what one high school student will be doing this summer.

blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

Mean people suck.

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Nice headline. Sounds as if the guy got a charge out of it.

cait48 (Anonymous) says…

I am 55 years old. If some 16 year old attacked me I would probably lose. But I can guarantee I would fight back. She would definitely know I had been there.

BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…

“The 16-year-old was located, arrested and taken to a juvenile detention center.”

All that is left to do if interview the parent(s)/guardian(s) of this messed up teenager, and if it is determined that they/he/she are negligent in their parenting/guardian skills, stick them/him/her in the adult detention center.

oldvet (Anonymous) says…

But she's a “good” girl… she's never been in any other trouble (eyes rolling)… she had a hard life growing up… she's just misunderstood… it was the other people, she was actually trying to help…

And on and on until she just get a walk or a slap on the wrist and leaves to hit the road to a more violent life… deal hard with them now or deal with them again later in a more serious situation…

countrygirl (Anonymous) says…

Not defending the 16 year old, but can't you find somewhere better to talk than the middle of the street?

Informed (Anonymous) says…

You're right, oldvet. That will probably be the outcome — especially if she ends up in Paula Martin's courtroom.

peace (Anonymous) says…

I know this 16 yr old girl. There is absolutely NO parent supervision, she has been on her own for most of her life. She will be locked up in JDC for a long time, rightfully so. I do hope that they will try to get her help to manage her anger/violence problem. When violence is an everyday event in a childs life, this is what will happen, they will break and lash out on a helpless person, be it older adult or younger child. My heart goes out for the victim. It must have been very scarey to have been attacked and not to knowing if the others in the vehicle were going to do the same.

aeroscout17 (Anonymous) says…

countrygirl, read it again. It was the 16 year old that was blocking the street. I don't think that means you are defending her!

countrygirl (Anonymous) says…

Opps-I did misread it. Sorry!

Bossa_Nova (Anonymous) says…

20 years hard labor a Leavenworth!

OnlyTheOne (Anonymous) says…

srj says, “I know what one high school student will be doing this summer.”
Do you really? Or do you just hope she will?
I'll wager the young lady involved won't do anything different except cause more trouble.
I'll also wager the judge (if she ever stands before one) will say something to the effect, “Miss name here you know you shouldn't do that don't you? Well, since you've said to the court and prosecutor that you really didn't mean to beat that elderly woman mercilessly because she 'dissed you and that you won't do it again. You just go ahead and continue leading life as you choose to.”
As an aside - I know the woman was 58 but that's getting close to elderly and I don't know what age group to place her in.

BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…

“I know this 16 yr old girl. There is absolutely NO parent supervision, she has been on her own for most of her life.”

Once again, locate the people/person who should be responsible for this kid and make an example of them/him/her. The actions and behavior of this teenager are likely attributed to the neglect of someone in her care. They/he/she should be held accountable in criminal and civil court.

Sagecasey (Anonymous) says…

Duracell or Energizer?

peace (Anonymous) says…

The actions and behavior of this teenager are likely attributed to the neglect of someone in her care. They/he/she should be held accountable in criminal and civil court.

BalkansHawk I could agree with you more!

geniusmannumber1 (Anonymous) says…

Ah, yes. It's not the attacker's fault. It's the parents' fault.

I would wager that widely-shared attitudes like this are at least as responsible for delinquent behavior than any alleged lack of supervision. Alright, that may be an overstatement, but seriously, it doesn't help things when people are ready and willing to assign partial or total responsibility to people not directly involved with the conduct itself.

There are plenty of kids with bad or inattentive parents. That sucks. And it's like starting with one strike against you. But plenty of kids with bad parents don't assault complete strangers. At what point is it the attacker's fault? Are you telling me a 16 year old doesn't know that this behavior is unacceptable and carries consequences?

madmike (Anonymous) says…

Two words…Pepper Spray! A cure-all for punk teenagers.

redwaggoner (Anonymous) says…

I know a woman that works in a business at that corner (8th & Mass). Too bad it wasn't her! She's 62 & could use a good beating!

BalkansHawk (Anonymous) says…

geniusman,

Don't get me wrong, this kid has issues. This type of behavior is wrong in so many ways that you have to place the immediate blame on the individual who committed the crime. That person should bare the full brunt of the judicial and legal process and should have to pay for their incredibly poor judgement.

Still, contributory negligence can't be ruled out on this one. Maybe I am wrong, maybe this kid has a wonderful loving family and just went berzerk for no reason.

consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

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F.A. Holes

madmike (Anonymous) says…

Now, now, Consumer…Remember the rules on the use of deadly force. It is much easier to justify hosing down the little punkette and then doing a Fred Astair on her, than removing her from the gene pool if she was not armed and you were in fear of your life. And besides, watching the punkette flop on the ground after being pepper sprayed…Priceless!

acg (Anonymous) says…

consumer and madmike, I like the way you two think. I think she should've been pepper sprayed and then shot. LOL!

HootyWho (Anonymous) says…

Its called being responsible for your own actions,
that little dumba$$ knew better, she just didn't care

salad (Anonymous) says…

She shoulda got maced or peppered, but I suppose she's lucky; in Texas, the first week that concealed carry was legal, a guy in Dallas (the attacker…did same thing this girl did) got himself shot dead in the street by a concealed carrier. Gut shot him right through the car door. -POP!-

samsnewplace (Anonymous) says…

harderfaster……learn to talk somewhere besides blocking traffic in the middle of the street! I would have done the same thing and peppersprayed the little chit! Dang teenagers today.

another_concerned_parent (Anonymous) says…

Countrygirl: The vic was behind the 16 yr old. She was in her own car. And the 16 yr old attacked her for simply honking her horn for them to move along. I would have done the same thing.

Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

If the victim would have punched this brat, then she'd be spending time in jail for assaulting a kid. Sounds like this kid and her parents all need to be locked up. BalkansHawk has it right. Kids don't get this screwed up without having idiots for parents.

Pleiku (Anonymous) says…

As an aside - I know the woman was 58 but that's getting close to elderly and I don't know what age group to place her in - Only the One

Ouch, that one hurt. As one who is one year older I must vehemently disagree that 58 is getting close to elderly…lol.

ralphralph (Anonymous) says…

Tip O' the Day:
If thou wouldst honkest, first thou shouldst rolleth up thy window.

BrianR (Anonymous) says…

OnlyTheOne (Anonymous) says…
As an aside - I know the woman was 58 but that's getting close to elderly and I don't know what age group to place her in.

?!?! That's crazy talk.

Get off my lawn.

Moderateguy (Anonymous) says…

Absolutely Incredible! It's hard to even wrap my mind around this happening in downtown Lawrence. I've been waiting for a story like this about one of our transient “guests,” but a teenage girl??? WTH? There were side comments yesterday about the teens flashing gang type signs. Is that part of the bigger story? There has to me more to this than what has been reported.

On a side note, don't forget that your vehicle is a pretty powerful weapon in a situation like that. If you feel like your life is in danger, roll up the window and hit the gas.

lovedbyYou (Anonymous) says…

shouldn't the 16 year old be in school at 2 pm anyways?

Andini (Anonymous) says…

I love early release days.

unite2revolt (Anonymous) says…

I think a little patience on the part of the adult might have prevented this entire situation.

BrianR (Anonymous) says…

Quit blaming the victim. By the time someone is 16, even someone without attentive parental guidance, they should know that it isn't socially acceptable or even legal to attack another human being. This child is responsible for her actions.

1029 (Anonymous) says…

of course this happened on a wednesday. downtown is full of kids acting like idiots on that day because of the early release—throwing rocks at scuptures, making comments about people as they walk by, breaking branches off of trees, kicking mulch from planters onto the sidewalk, blocking sidewalks and carelessly walking into people, emptying free literature from their display cases and strewing it across the ground, running out into the street in front of cars, being loud and stupid, etc. it's pretty ridiculous after you observe it over and over again every week.

GucciMama (Anonymous) says…

unite2revolt:

The woman did wait before she honked her horn. The car the 16 year old was in the middle of the road, while talking to other students who were standing in the middle of the road like they owned the place.

ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

Im so glad I never let my kids “hang out” downtown, but where are all the cops if they know this is going on??? I thought there was bike cops and those who are “foot” patrol….where the heck are they at on wednesdays??
Maybe there should be a stronger police presence down there especially on wednesdays!

been_there (Anonymous) says…

Just a thought, don't know if it's possible, but could the 58 yr old file a claim againgst the insurance company of the driver of the other car? It might make it harder for the kid to get insurance in the future, life lesson learned. Just wondering.

Bossa_Nova (Anonymous) says…

BrianR,

youre spot on. indeed it's unfortunate that this girl has idiot parents, nevertheless, she is 16 and should already know the basics of right and wrong. she's one of the anti-social violent rejects that usually continue commiting these types of acts escalating the severity along the way. i say quarantine her now before she hurts another defenseless old lady.

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

I think a little patience on the part of the adult might have prevented this entire situation.
—and Unite-to-revulsion blames the victim!

wow.

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would this have appeared in the paper if not for the comments under yesterday's on the record collumn??????

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is this little violent shred going to appear b before judge shepard, being a juvy?

don't expect justice being done by her in this case.

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at age 16, yes the little turd knew what she was doing was wrong, but that particular age is in the transitional time between childhood and adulthood: sexual consent/drivers' licenses; vote in less than two years. can join the military at 17. our society has things a little muddy there at that age. if she commits property crimes, parents can still be held liable, isn't that true?

please! punish this girl severely, no compassion and make an example (else, 'lord of the flies'). find the loser adult that's *supposed to be responsible for her, to know where she is, to give her direction in life. punish that grownup shred to the full extent, and including restitution for the glasses.

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this environment downtown is most destructive to the future of these kids themselves! if we as a community let them continue with their destructive and harmful behaviors (listed above) the kids won't become responsible members of society.

finally, install water cannons on top of some downtown buildings and video cameras for directing them.

sissezz (Anonymous) says…

Please … she would not have made it to 17!! I always say it is better to speak softly and carry a BIG stick. (in the backseat of your car!) ;)

been_there (Anonymous) says…

LJW says there were “occupants” meaning more than one, and yet it sounds like it was the driver. So does anyone know if it was the driver or a passenger?

bennyoates (Anonymous) says…

The little turd must be an Obama supporter. You know all the teenyboppers are for that unAmerican traitor. This town is crawling with them. We ought to run her over with one of those empty “T” buses that are bleeding the honest, hard-working patriotic White Americans dry, while the hippies who spoiled this dirty little b***h run rampant over God, Flag, and Country!

blahblahblah (Anonymous) says…

bennyoates-that is the most asinine argument I have ever heard. It contributes nothing to the discussion other than useless drivel. If you don't like the way things are in Lawrence, then MOVE.

I hope the lady is OK, and I hope that somehow this girl, and her parents, are held accountable for her actions.

Baille (Anonymous) says…

“If the victim would have punched this brat, then she'd be spending time in jail for assaulting a kid. ”

That's not true. Stupid, but not at all true.

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Power windows.
Buy some.

TopJayhawk (Anonymous) says…

No one will be held accountable. Especially not in Bleeding (heart) Lawrence. Your Police dept just never seems to be in the right place at the right time.

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Here is how another town deals with bad 13 yr old girls.
Jail!
http://web.charleston.net/news/2008/may/…

smitty (Anonymous) says…

Wrong on this one TJ. It was a parking control woman that made the fast capture possible. She stood out of harm's way and was in constant communication with dispatch relaying information to the officers on the street.

There is plenty to complain about with the LPD but get it right when you do because your invalid snarfs distract from the valid concerns.

Sigmund (Anonymous) says…

Lets all not be too hasty here and wait to see the cell phone video on youtube before we make up our minds.

leadstone (Anonymous) says…

SUre, roll up your windows. Don't you all know kids love the sound of breaking glass? If I was angry enough to beat someone, a little pane is not gonna stop me.

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Sig..priceless once again.

I was in Des Moines years ago, when there was a lot of traffic coming to a signal. Multiple lanes. This one car shot forward, but then had to stop. Then another car, we could see had all kinds of young men hanging out the windows with sticks, bats, and lord knows what else..screaming insults and threats. They manuvered closer, the first car trying to get away, The 2nd car pulled up along side, and they started busting the 1st car up, who managed to get enough room in front of him, to drive over the raised median, cut through the red light and escape. The other car was trapped by stopped traffic.
Of course, who knows what happened later, it was really wild.
A window didn't stop the weapons, you're correct!

peachesncream (Anonymous) says…

lol red wagonner that comment about the 62 yr old cracked me up, not funny but yet it was lol, bout spit my tea across the room….thanks for the laugh

SonOfKU (Anonymous) says…

unite2revolt (Anonymous) says…
I think a little patience on the part of the adult might have prevented this entire situation.

unite2revolt:
The victim here is my mother. Aside from the obvious, no one deserves to be assaulted, my mother did nothing wrong. Sitting behind this girl that was blocking the road to speak to friends on the street, leaving no path to go around, my mother honked once. The person behind her was less patient. After they honked repeatedly, the 16 year old attacked my mother. I think she showed patience and was rewarded with chunks of hair pulled out, bruises and a reinjured concussion.

Blame the victim, strike that, blame my mother…. shame on you!

And By the way: To whomever, she’s not elderly.

been_there (Anonymous) says…

SonOfKU_________Have your mother check into filing a claim or suing the girl's insurance company. Make the police give her a ticket or press charges for anything possible, such as road rage. The important thing is to get it on her driving record. They might not do much in court and she is a juvinile, but her insurance and driving record will follow her. I know it's a lot of time involved, but we have to start showing the kids today that cannot just do what they want or hurt whoever they want. Good luck.

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

sonofku,
thanks for speaking up for your mother. I pointed out above that the airhead unite-to-revulsion was blaming the victim.

please tell your Mom that some of us are praying for her.also, we know this was traumatic and she will need some support and healing in the next few weeks. you don't go driving down Mass st. and expect such an assault.

God bless your Mom.

OldEnuf2BYurDad (Anonymous) says…

“The car the 16 year old was in the middle of the road, while talking to other students who were standing in the middle of the road like they owned the place.”

Probably the same crowd that chronically blocks traffic at 20th St. and Louisiana EVERY day at the lunch break.

Undrtkn (Anonymous) says…

I have 100,000 volts that would have been used if it were me! She wouldn't have been getting up for a while, and certainly not back in the car after messing herself in public. Works just like pepper spray except the effects are a bit more “Shocking”