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Newcomers lead primary pack

Top 2 say voters want change on City Commission

February 28, 2007

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It was a businessman's special.

Mike Dever and Rob Chestnut, the two candidates with the deepest business backgrounds, took the top spots in Tuesday's Lawrence City Commission primary that narrowed the field for the April 3 general election from nine to six candidates.

"I think voters felt like business skills could be of good use to the City Commission right now," said Chestnut, chief financial officer for Lawrence-based Allen Press. "I think the financial skills are a big plus. There are a lot of complicated issues the city has to deal with."


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Marked by a low 14 percent voter turnout, the primary also brought mixed results for the two incumbents in the race. Commissioner Boog Highberger, an attorney for the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, finished in the third spot. Commissioner David Schauner, an attorney for the Kansas National Education Association, finished fourth. Only the top three vote-getters on April 3 win seats on the City Commission.

Rounding out the field of six are James Bush, senior pastor at Lawrence's First Southern Baptist Church, and Carey Maynard-Moody, a retired school social worker.

Jake Davis, a local musician and data entry operator; Sam Fields, a Lawrence bail bondsman; and Michael Limburg, a forklift operator, each finished about 2,400 votes behind sixth place. None collected more than 500 votes.

Dever, who owns a Lawrence-based environmental consulting firm, received the most votes. He collected 4,920 votes, or 20.8 percent of the total. He said the results suggested voters were responding to his message of creating a stronger economy for the community.

"I think the results could be interpreted as an opportunity to get new ideas and energy into the City Commission," Dever said.

Funding levels

Schauner, who finished 354 votes out of third place, had a different view on what voters were responding to - money. Dever and Chestnut were the top two fundraisers in the campaign, raising approximately twice as much as any other candidate.

"These results might be showing us nothing more than if you spend $23,000 you can come in first or second," Schauner said. "I think money has played a significant role in this election."

Through Feb. 19, Schauner had raised $9,202 for the race, while Dever and Chestnut both had raised more than $20,000.

Both Dever and Chestnut received endorsements from the Lawrence Board of Realtors, and Schauner has said he's concerned that the two candidates are intent on loosening the community's development regulations.

Dever and Chestnut have said their fundraising success is a sign of broad-based support from community members of all walks of life who are seeking a change on the City Commission.

Close finishes

Tuesday's results also did not leave any candidate so far buried that he or she is waving the white flag. Bush, in the No. 5 spot, is 544 votes out of third place. Maynard-Moody is 748 votes out of third place.

Bush said he was pleased with his showing, given that he did not decide until just days prior to the late-January filing deadline to get into the race.

"I knew getting in late would mean that I would have to play catch-up, but I think that is the best way to run a campaign because it makes you go as hard as you can," said Bush, who has sounded many of the same themes as Dever and Chestnut and who also received the same endorsement from the Lawrence Board of Realtors.

Maynard-Moody said she was disappointed in the low primary turnout. She said she thought the turnout was the result of the campaign lacking a hot-button issue.

"I'm really motivated to stand out," Maynard-Moody said. "I'm going to talk a lot about the future of our children and about how we're living in such different times."

Highberger also said he thought the remainder of the campaign needed to stress specifics from the candidates. He said he thought the City Commission had done a better job of fostering job growth than what has been portrayed to voters.

"I'm a little disappointed in the results," Highberger said. "I think it means that we just have to make sure that people understand all the good things we've done in the last four years, especially in the area of job creation."

It is assured that there will be at least one new face on the five-member City Commission. Commissioner Mike Rundle is not running for re-election.

Comments

Bud Stagg 7 years, 9 months ago

Why the negative comments from Shauner? Isn't he confident enough in his record that he doesn't have to go out and question the credibility of the people who are running against him?

Time to go Dave

justsomewench 7 years, 9 months ago

yes, yes, we need someone in city hall that knows how to cook the books. we also need more representation from consulting agencies on staff.

i am hesitant to believe that they're really plugged in to the mindset of the $11/hour individual's living challenges. not everyone in city limits has that white picket lifestyle they can afford.

do they even create entry level jobs at their own workplaces at those rates?

i'm not saying maybe one of them won't get my vote, but i'm afraid both would be saturating the commission similarly to the way the PLC did.

are we looking at getting a commission that represents the diversity of our community?

but just playing devil's advocate.

overthemoon 7 years, 9 months ago

so what are dever or chestnuts connections to the large developers/construction companies in town? Its a been a while wince we had a relative, employee or consultant to the big lawrence builder family.

commuter 7 years, 9 months ago

Oh boy, it sounds like dave is crying because he didn't raise more money. I didn;t vote for Boog or Schauner because I didn't liked what they have done on the commission and what they haven't done.

Sure something were good but in my mind they have made more bad choices than good choices.

I personally just want the PLC block to be reduced. 1 of them could bring their ideas to the commission and fight for their ideas. Three of them was too much.

I am just glad Mike didn't run again.

DaREEKKU 7 years, 9 months ago

It's very funny that voter turnout was only 14 percent, yet EVERYBODY is willing to gripe and complain about city policies/ city commission. I wasn't happy to see Busch make the final cut, however I am anxious to see more of the finalist's platforms.

WilburM 7 years, 9 months ago

What's the fuss? Times change, so does energy. For quite a few years, the so-called progressive forces in this town have dominated; they've been well organized and have expressed the points of view of a lot of folks. Now the balance has shifted, and it looks as though the center of gravity on the commission n will as well. That's community politics. Are developers going to run wild? No. Will the smoking ban be lifted? No. Will infrastructure be taken seriously? Probably. Will gobs more jobs come to Lawrence? Probably not. Will folks stop commuting? Absolutely not. As a progressive sort (or sort of progressive), I'm a little concerned, but honestly think the people (well, 14%..., but that's politics) have spoken. Let's see what a moderate-probusiness commission can do in an environment where money is scarce and demands are high.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

The main message from voters is that literally thousands of them just stayed home.

Which is exactly what the big-money, power-elite interests want and need if they are to bring not "a change," but a return to the good ole boy form of government that has typified the city commission for decades, and created the bedroom-community sprawl that is at the heart of every problem that they dearly want to pin on the candidates that really do want to bring a change in the way the commission does "business."

"are we looking at getting a commission that represents the diversity of our community?"

What we are seeing is no more than 5,000 voters out of 50,000 registered Lawrence voters who were motivated to vote for very narrow interests in this primary election. Results of relatvely recent elections show that as many as 8000 voters who are interested in having the diversity of our community represented can be motivated to get out and vote.

So the tale of the general election will be one of who comes out to vote. We know the 5000 who come out to vote to fatten their wallets (or have been convinced that that is a valid purpose of city government) will come out again. But what will the at least 4000 voters who voted in 2003 who stayed home yesterday choose to do?

monkeyhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

I have only one word for boozo (paid blogger) and ilk:

            .....................gloat............................

justsomewench 7 years, 9 months ago

probably very little. if they can improve the local economy when the national economy continues to gasp for air, then they're running for the wrong office.

still, it makes for interesting debate. i look forward to hearing platforms with some substance soon from all candidates.

Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 9 months ago

why are polotics so dirty? It would be nice to have clean champaigns and elect people on real points of view not ugly.

Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 9 months ago

and I think I need more sleep, sorry for the mistakes above.

kugrad 7 years, 9 months ago

Check out the interactive map on the LJW online front page that lets you see where the candidates' votes came from. The top two candidates have their strongest support in the wealthier areas of town, particularly in the far west, as in west of Wakarusa. Boog Highberger has the broadest range of support in terms of neighborhoods, with more support from central Lawrence than any other candidate. This is an election about $, make no mistake about it.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

Actually, if the names on the ballot were Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, Augie Doggie, Boog & Schauner, I would have voted for the real dogs instead of the (current) underdogs.

My point being, that it really did not matter who was running, the majority wanted a change - just like the change that the dems won, (even without any agenda). We were just fortunate that there were some really well qualified candidates that don't suck the government t..., and have actual life experience.

Kudos to Dever and Chestnut.

lunacydetector 7 years, 9 months ago

if schauner and boog were the top two vote getters, all the do-gooders would be screaming it was a mandate. i am concerned they made it into the general.

....and as for job creation, just what jobs has boog and company brought to lawrence? more KU jobs?

last i checked, american eagle outfitters was adding 400 additional employees in ottawa, a company lawrence missed out on due to the fringe of lawrence.

common_cents 7 years, 9 months ago

"These results might be showing us nothing more than if you spend $23,000 you can come in first or second," Schauner said. "I think money has played a significant role in this election."

Actually, these results show us nothing more than if while sitting on the commission, you spend hundreds of thousands of our dollars on consultants to pretty much tell us nothing, you can come in 3rd or fourth.

Hopefully, you will not come in 1-3 in the main election. I'd rather see the potholes filled than crowd-abouts, collapsing brick crosswalks, ugly-money-wasting scupltures, and another failing downtown grocer (or Terminal Market wannabe.)

Lifelong_Lawrencian 7 years, 9 months ago

Shauner's money argument doesn't hold water. He collected more money than Boog and still came in behind.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 9 months ago

"This is an election about $, make no mistake about it."

You bet it is.

It's about all the massive taxes the people in the "other" Lawrence are assessed to fulfill plc dreams of glory. Make no mistake, we want to see our extorted dollars go to good use, not what they have been spent for over the tenure of the "smart growth" advocates.

Why doesn't kugrad do a little free study on just how much the homeowners on the west side contribute to the city? My guess would be that our taxes fund a huge percentage of services. Maybe as high as 70-80%? So, why wouldn't the "other" Lawrence be very, very concerned about the direction this city has been heading? What would downtown life be like if there was a real West Lawrence, and no more cash cow for you?

SettingTheRecordStraight 7 years, 9 months ago

The voters want change in the city commission. Congrats to Dever and Chestnut.

Noweigh 7 years, 9 months ago

Two fresh faces with intelligence and forward thinking ideas won the top two spots. Yes, they won "out west" but, because of the broad popularity of their ideas, they also won big in Prairie Park in far southeast Lawrence.

The last election was skillfully won with scare tactics by the three amigos. This election hopefully will focus on positive ideas for the future and well thought out solutions to solve the very real challenges this city faces. Congrats to Dever and Chestnut for giving this town a quality alternative.

Jamesaust 7 years, 9 months ago

So the answers are:

(A) if Schauner will survive the primary at all -- yes, like usual he sits right around the cut-off point. If he's going to make it into the top 3 he'll need to pull votes from those removed by the primary, those who voted for candidates #5 and #6 but who want to 'go with a winner' in the general election. A tall order for an incumbant. For his opponents, its not enough to dislike him more strongly as they weren't likely to vote for him anyway.

(B) whether novice Davis will show unexpected (at least by me) strength - no. Davis was hurt by his perception (real or otherwise) as a one-issue candidate (smoking) and by a lack of money (compare with "D" below).

(C) if Maynard-Moody or the Rev. Bush is no. 6 - Maynard-Moody. Will those votes now go to Schauner? She doesn't seem in this article at least to be interested in backing off active campaigning. (Interestly, it looks to me like Bush has the most diverse support in the city.)

(D) how many votes (in addition to advertising) Dever can purchase - a LOT. There's nothing wrong, per se, with Dever as a candidate but there's little in his background to suggest that - absent money - he wouldn't trade places with Davis in the results. While often paired with Chestnut in some talk, Dever never moves much beyond platitudes; Chestnut more direct and thoughtful on the issues.

rhd99 7 years, 9 months ago

People in Lawrence are DESPERATE if they vote DAH DAH Highberger & Dim Twit (both by the way ambulance chasers) Schauner. Those who don't care & DON'T vote have NO BUSINESS complaining 'cause they chose to stay home instead of going to the voting booth to cast OUT these two ambulance chasing jokers of lawyers. GET A CLUE, LAWRENCE!

jafs 7 years, 9 months ago

Monkeyhawk's comments are particularly disturbing to me on several levels:

First, they are rather mean-spirited.

Second, I believe they are false - my understanding is that, absent impact fees on developers, the city (read: all taxpayers) funds much of the cost of new development (infrastructure, water, sewer, etc.). So, we are all subsidizing new development.

Third, it is fundamentally at odds with our system of taxation - people do not choose where their taxes go based on their own personal needs (or greed). This would simply not work - for example, should people without children be exempt from taxes for public education? People who don't drive be exempt from taxes for highways? People who don't use public transportation, etc.

Our system, flawed though it may be, attempts to work for the common good - one of the goals of the founders was to provide for "the common welfare".

It is sad to me that this is such an uncommon topic these days.

jafs 7 years, 9 months ago

If you don't like paying higher taxes, perhaps you should choose to buy less expensive houses.

dacs23 7 years, 9 months ago

I have hear from various sources that several employees at Allen Press think poorly of Chestnuts.

I for one think that the opinion of those under a leader of their leader is very telling of that leader. After all if you do not have the support of your own men/women then how can you earn the trust of outsiders?

However, I have not heard any specific complaints.

Does anyone have any input?

dacs23 7 years, 9 months ago

Dambudzo

Are you saying that the opinion, or even lives, of people with money are more important then those without money?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

That's seems to be about all that dambudzo believes.

Everybody else can eat cake.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

Come on, tony88, you're not supposed to question the platitudes.

dacs23 7 years, 9 months ago

Dambudzo

Are you suggesting that those without wealth do not posses the intellectual ability to understand concepts of money? Are you saying that a person's IQ is in positive correlation with their bank account?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

You're consistently sure about a lot of things about which you are completely wrong.

Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

You and "High-burger" live in a dadistic universe, so you're committed to you're opinion being as subjective as it is worthless. Come join us in the emperical objective world and we can have a meaningful discussion. Yesterday's election was a big ole back-hand to the Socialist Progressives in Lawrence, and yet you're still hunkered down in denial in da-da land.

Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

Bowhunter, the socialist progressives are in denial about what happened yesterday, that's why their floating this argument that Chestnut and Dever bought their way in. After 4 years of stagnant economic growth, adopting policies hostile to new businesses, perpetual tax increases, rampant overspending, and complete disregard for maintaining City infrastructure, the SPC crowd just can't figure out why they are one step away from being thrown out of City Hall. Socialist elitists never figure it out. They just become more hateful, bitter and distorted after they get thrown out because they always feel like their policies would have worked if they could have had just a little more time to overthrow the free market system. And then the free market system goes back to work, and they hate everyone even more because their failure is all the more transparent. That's why their mode of argument is principally personal derision and snide sarcasm rather than discussing issues.

Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

"what utter gibberish, RA"

Good, I was striving to get my language down to your level bozo.

Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

"How can there be 4 years of perpetual tax increases? That is logically impossible."

Please tony, you're embarassing yourself.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

There is absolutely no denial about what happened. There was extremelty low voter turnout, which always favors the "power elite" candidates.

If they can suppress voter turnout again in April, they'll be stuffing their pockets much more easily at the city troughs for at least the next two years.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

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roger_o_thornhill 7 years, 9 months ago

How boring and predictable of so many of you. I think I'll go to bed soon.

truthhurts 7 years, 9 months ago

"suppress voter turnout"

With absentee and early voting options it's unbelievably easy to cast a ballot. If people choose not to vote it's probably apathy or dissatisfaction. It doesn't require suppression.

mccgirl80 7 years, 9 months ago

My only requirement for who I voted for was that they were not an incumbent and several others I know have said the same. I do not think this is as big of a money game as Schauner thinks it is.

rhd99 7 years, 9 months ago

Ambulance chasers Dah Dah & Dim Twit Schauner may have won, but the battle is just starting. They have overspent their welcome in elected office & they overtaxed the people of Lawrence. ENOUGH already! It's time that we all find out the dirty little secrets of these two incumbents. They have hidden agendas. Now it's time to find out what those agendas entail. Oh, I can hear them now "OBJECTION, relevance" when we the public can finally say OVERRULED! Case closed!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"I do not think this is as big of a money game as Schauner thinks it is."

Then perhaps you should start paying attention.

opinion 7 years, 9 months ago

I'm not clear on how "big money" could be the difference between how the top two did and how Mr. Schauner did. I think the value of having money given to a campaign is so that you can advertise and get your image and position out to the voting public. If two candidates were unknown, then, yes the one with more money would have an advantage. But that is not the case here. In this case, the public has been exposed to Mr. Schauner for some time. He has name and position recognition.

BTW - Is Hillary going to be buying votes since she is raking in the dough?

Jamesaust 7 years, 9 months ago

opinion - excellent point.

While money can buy an "introduction" to the public, those already quite well-known, including incumbants, do not gain the same benefit from money (particularly those with negative images).

Schauner doesn't need more cash; he needs a different record in office.

commuter 7 years, 9 months ago

DACS23-

You stated that some people at Allen Press do not think highly of Rob. OK. Where are they in the organization? Could they be jealous of his success? Could they be jealous that he makes more money?

It is easy to envious of people who make more money than us. Some of the people who get more money do it by getting additional skills and make themselves more valuable.

I should know. I worked at a CPA firm as an accountant ( degrees in Accounting & Management). Once I passed the CPA exam, I made more money. I work in th eprivate sector and I am studying for another certifcation. I have been told I will get another raise outside of my normal raise once I pass.

If some people are mad at Chestnut and Dever, I guess they should be made at Hellary Clinton, O'Bama, edwards and other politicians on both sides of the aislse who were not born with silver spoons in their mouths- sorry Teddy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"I think the value of having money given to a campaign is so that you can advertise and get your image and position out to the voting public."

You're exactly right. Money is used to get your message and name out. And they used it to put out the message to their base and their prime financiers, who are mostly one and the same, the power elite, that they are part of the team. Those people always vote, although not out of any sense of civic responsibility, and they just needed to have the right candidates identified and properly vetted.

So now it's up to Schauner, Highberger and Maynard-Moody to motivate their base, which is potentially much larger. Unfortunately, their base doesn't have the incentive of being able to fatten their wallets as a direct result of voting, so their interest level is much lower.

It really is too bad that 80-90% of the electorate is unaware of the issues and apathetic, because it really costs them big time.

scott3460 7 years, 9 months ago

My take is this shows the absolute travesty all these years of unrestrained expansion have brought to Lawrence. Take a look at where each candidate's heaviest support lay. The candidates of cheap and out of control growth drew their support from those who were drawn to town by the obscene monstrocity that Lawrence west of Iowa has become. It it any wonder that these folks support more & more & more of the same. These are the candidates of the sprawling Law-peka of the developer's dreams. Those who live in and around the core of Lawrence don't support such sprawl & seem to want something very different. The developer's money will control eventually. Lawrence has been able to hang on & buck the "progress" for so many years because of the committed and informed progressive activists in the community. But make no mistake about it. The developers want control & the ability to impose their way on Lawrence & thus they import wave after wave of like-minded individuals until the original community is overwhelmed and their ilk takes over. It is sad to watch Lawrence being ruined.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"BTW - Is Hillary going to be buying votes since she is raking in the dough?"

Not exactly. On the national level, you only become a serious candidate if you raise some really serious money. If you don't, then you'll never even get to give people a chance to vote for you. The "real" election in both parties, which is completely about money, happens long before the primaries or the conventions.

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 9 months ago

I just hope that the new kids on the block will not spent $250k for a study that leads to nothing, but rather invite Walmart to locate here which will then give us $1 million to do everything. If Walmart loves to be here, ask them to pay for it..... both sides win... people get jobs, city get developed, we can the tax monies... we will be happier.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"I just hope that the new kids on the block will not spent $250k for a study that leads to nothing, "

Considerting that that study was done at the behest of Sue Hack and the Chamber of Commerce, on whose team Dever and Chestnut are lining up, don't bet on it.

kugrad 7 years, 9 months ago

To argue that this election shows that "The voters want change" one must ignore the incredibly low voter turnout. It would appear that the voters don't want much of anything at all. There is no mandate in this vote, it is a primary that few were interested in. Those who want change turned out to vote, but they also have a great deal of money behind them, as well as the realtor vote. A VERY small group of people could influence this vote since the turnout was so very low. No mandates here yet. That being said, I agree that there is a sentiment for change. I just don't think this primary proves it.

Mark my words, if the top two vote getters in the primary are elected, and if the pro-growth-create-jobs-no matter how sprawling and crime ridden the city becomes crowd wins a majority on the city commission, they will STILL hire consultants for thousands of dollars to discuss everything the current commission looks at and more. Our taxes WILL rise (and no, West Lawrence does not pay 70% of our property taxes, and the sense of entitlement some of you westerners express reminds me of welfare bums) and growth will cost us all $$$.

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 9 months ago

"Considerting that that study was done at the behest of Sue Hack and the Chamber of Commerce, on whose team Dever and Chestnut are lining up, don't bet on it."

If someone could run for office, and then let Walmart and Targets do the $250,000 proposal for us for free! The "independent consultant" definitely worked on something that looked nice to whoever's in office. But if you let Walmart, K Mart, JC Penny, and Targets try do the work for free, you will get better quality report, and you can still pick and choose who you want to select, and most important: It's free! At the end of the day, you can still put in an exemption clause, telling them that it's not final.....

Didn't anyone in office know that you can still get things for free these days? Anyone know that there's an Urban Planning Dept here at KU, where professors can do the entire report fo 25% of the cost! ($60,000 instead of $250,000). Another way to bring down the cost, is to get the report as a term project for the students... in that case, you could simply give them $30,000 and they will definitely give you a bash for your bucks.

Does anyone holding office at the City Hall know of these options?

bluerose 7 years, 9 months ago

scott3460 -

amen. perfectly phrased.

so sad...

MyName 7 years, 9 months ago

This election has nothing to do with Hillary, so find a new dead horse to beat please. And Schauner did have a point about money being a factor. The candidates with money finished first and second because they could advertise before the primary, while the others held off on spending because they figured they would make the cut and it would be a waste of resources.

There are two deciding factors here: how many people will turn out, and who will get the votes of the people who got cut from the primary. There are enough votes out there to swing any election, which is why all of the candidates are still in and working to win.

MyName 7 years, 9 months ago

Commuter:

You stated that some people at Allen Press do not think highly of Rob. OK. Where are they in the organization? Could they be jealous of his success? Could they be jealous that he makes more money?

Commuter, you are a moron. Nobody at Allen Press makes enough money for people to be jealous of anyone's "success" including Rand Allen the company's owner! There's only around 350 people working there for goodness sake! This means the company is small enough that you can actually meet the people in charge and form your own opinion, which is a good thing, but it also means that if there are people that have a problem with Chestnut, it probably has less to do with money than personality or job performance.

Kathy Gates 7 years, 9 months ago

kugrad--what "sense of entitlement" from west Lawrence are you referring to?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"kugrad--what "sense of entitlement" from west Lawrence are you referring to?"

Owning the city commission again, perhaps?

commuter 7 years, 9 months ago

Myname-

Thanks for your opinion. First of all, I have known Rob for a few years. I do not have a problem with him and I think he would be could for commission. I personally think he is more open to listen listen than Boog and Schauner.

Myname- are you about the money at Allen Press. the last time I checked, Allen Press was privately owned and did not have to disclose salaries unlike the state and local governments.

As for the money issue. Yes both dever and Rob raised more money. They are not insumbant and they didn't have the last four years of their names being in the paper.

commuter 7 years, 9 months ago

Sorry I had to reporst for a couple of missing words.

Myname-

Thanks for your opinion. First of all, I have known Rob for a few years. I do not have a problem with him and I think he would be could for commission. I personally think he is more open to listen MORE than Boog and Schauner.

Myname- are you SURE about the money at Allen Press. the last time I checked, Allen Press was privately owned and did not have to disclose salaries unlike the state and local governments.

As for the money issue. Yes, both dever and Rob raised more money. They are not incumbantants and they didn't have the last four years of their names being in the paper.

MyName 7 years, 9 months ago

commuter: Allen Press isn't anywhere close to the Fortune 500, so you don't need to have a listing of salaries to figure out approximately how much money these people make, and it isn't Bill Gates or Google money to be sure. Heck, the top people at KU administration probably make more (and have more responsibilities).

I don't have a problem with Chestnut BTW, but I think it's completely retarded for you to insinuate that if someone doesn't like him then that person must be some kind of jealous commie pig. Not everybody likes the same kind of people, and if someone has a problem with Chestnut, personally or professionally, there may be a legitimate reason behind it.

And it's no coincidence that the top two money raisers finished 1 and 2 in the primary. The question is whether the incumbants will make up the gap on one of them or not.

Rationalanimal 7 years, 9 months ago

Why is money an issue, unless you raise less, are about to lose, and want something to gripe about? The presumption held by socialists is transparent in the arguments being made on here today. That is, because Dever and Chestnut raised more money, they are more corrupt and less well intentioned than Highberger and Schauner. Dever and Chestnut are not developers and their ties to developers are less than Highberger's and Schauner's. If Highberger and Schauner are unsuccessful financially in their private lives, in contrast to Chestnut and Dever, who then is more susceptible to the temptation of under the table deals at City Hall between imbedded unaffluent commissioners and financially affluent freshmen? How about the 30 billion dollar library Highberger and Schauner have been behind,approving hundreds of thousands to pay consultants to promote? Why have they spent so much of taxpayer money to promote a fiscally irresponsible project? Whose going to develop that Ritz Carlton of a project? Whose going to get windfalls? Some developers going to get a fat contract, whom currently knows whom the best? How about looking at the property owners in the downtown area and then question why Berger and Schauner are behind the downtown or give me death viewpoint. If you want to be objective, which I know many on here are incapable, apply the same analytical scrutiny to Highberger and Schauner that you currently deride Chestnut and Dever with. Dever and Chestnut have succeeded for a reason. They are highly educated, love Lawrence, and have a wealth of skills desperately needed at City Hall and stand to make excellent commissioners. Highberger and Schauner tried, and we appreciate a job done.

ilovelucy 7 years, 9 months ago

BoZo: I am so looking forward to more of your bitter hateful rantings for the next 2 months-not! You really are the epitome of everything that is rotten in this community. Keep it up!

boxturtle 7 years, 9 months ago

This all makes me wish this town would split into two. The Real Lawrence (aka. downtown, university, north, east, south to 23rd) and Sprawlville (the rest of the ugly crap that was developed since 1990)
Sprawlville could keep dever and chestnut and all move to topeka to develop till the point of absurdity. While letting real lawrence enjoy what it has and support a downtown economy.

Problem is these two cities are so close to each other. So unless this turns into a intra-city borderwar with west lawrence torching old west lawrence, and vice versa, I guess we could at least attempt civil discourse. But reading all the sludge above makes that seem far from likely.

Kathy Gates 7 years, 9 months ago

Strange...to talk about "civil discourse" when, simply because of where I live, my home has been called crap, I've been accused of ruining Lawrence, and supposedly I have a welfare sense of entitlement. Lawrence will continue to be divided until "The Real Lawrence" can get over their need to insult groups of people they don't even know.

Everyone makes choices in life--why do the people west of Iowa seem to offend people so much? (I am one of them.) Seems to me like the idealists of "The Real Lawrence" would want to actually know people based on who they are, rather than making broad assumptions.

scott3460 7 years, 9 months ago

"scott3460 & bluerose sound like they're have not's. Not have's. :-)"

Don't know about bluerose, but I am one of those liberal elites you "salt of the earth" conservatives love to hate so much. I have a doctorate from KU & an income that is comfortably in the top 5-10%. What I don't have any more is the unique TOWN of Lawrence that I loved. Instead I am watching it become a suburb of Johnson County and an eastern annex of Wakarusa Ave in Topeka. We were all promised growth is wonderful, growth is good, etc..... And look what it has brought us - crime, congestion, obscene sprawl, obnoxious developers and the suburbanites they spawn, etc... The same thing has happened on a national scale too, of course, as millions and millions and millions of illegal aliens were encouraged with a wink and a nod by the growth fanatics to squat all across our countryside and consume the more and more and more that the sprawling "development" produced. It is a cancer on our country and on our fair city. What we need are leaders willing to dispense a little chemo. But that will never happen, so we'll all just have to watch the growth swell and swell and grow and grow until finally the growth destroys the host. As I said, sad.

Roadkill_Rob 7 years, 9 months ago

-So, I've decided to sit back and just watch these debates unfold and here are some of the better moments from the right-wingers:

"I'm pretty sure it's High-burger."

"I confess that I don't read all of the posts in any given thread."

"4 years of PERPETUAL tax increase."

"BoZo: I am so looking forward to more of your bitter hateful rantings for the next 2 months-not! You really are the epitome of everything that is rotten in this community."

-The final 3 are a series of hypocricies by Rationalanimal:

"You and "High-burger" live in a dadistic universe, so you're committed to you're opinion being as subjective as it is worthless.

"I was striving to get my language down to your level bozo."

"That's why their (socialists) mode of argument is principally personal derision and snide sarcasm rather than discussing issues."

Hypocricy and ignorance are pretty hard to debate with.

ontheotherhand 7 years, 9 months ago

Isn't Allen Press the place where they actually fired two people at Halloween? One wore a tiny pumpkin pin and the other wore a Halloween t-shirt.

prioress 7 years, 9 months ago

It's easy - America should not be about buying votes. Our founding fathers did not set up a government with the idea that the wealthy should be allowed to buy votes. We all know that to buy votes ourtright is illegal.

It's not that direct a relationship, but the pattern is well-established. I heard a piece the other day about George W (the original, not Dumbya) and his account books that showed the rum and wine he bought for folks when he was running for the House of Burgesses (sp?) in Virginia. Another founding father refused to buy booze for the political gatherings and lost; naturally he griped about the "system" just like you are now. PS: 200+ years ago, only the "wealthy" could vote.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

"Why did the top vote getters need to spend so much money?'

Because they had it, and getting all that money was part of the vetting process to let all the movers and shakers know they are their guys.

And if your base of voters is relatively small, you need to pad that with as many of the voters who vote strictly on the basis of slick ad campaigns, soundbites and meaningless platitudes as possible.

commuter 7 years, 9 months ago

Why didn't Schauner go out and raise more money?

To me that is more important. If Merrill and Bozo believe in him so much, why don't they give him more money.

Maybe he thought the defunct PLC will help him?

Maybe he thought being on the commission the last four years was enough?

Maybe he thought there was going to be a higher voter turnout?

I don't know and I don't care to ask David.

All I want to say to him is " Don't Let the door hit ya, where the good Lord Split ya."

SoundMind 7 years, 9 months ago

Scott writes: "What I don't have any more is the unique TOWN of Lawrence that I loved."

At what population point in Lawrence's history did you stop loving it?

ilovelucy 7 years, 9 months ago

Hawkperch: Because the current commission has scared away alot of business, the City has got to balance their budget in some way and that means higher taxes for the rest of us.
Six years ago, I was one of the many who elected Boog, Rundle and Schauner. Aside from Boog, who at least has a brain, they have disappointed me and, I hope, many others. It's time for a change! Especially if you want lower taxes.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 9 months ago

It was actually 4 years ago, but I'm curious, since it was really "alot of business" that they scared away, could you tell us exactly who that was, and how they did it?

MyName 7 years, 9 months ago

Why is money an issue, unless you raise less, are about to lose, and want something to gripe about? The presumption held by socialists is transparent in the arguments being made on here today. That is, because Dever and Chestnut raised more money, they are more corrupt and less well intentioned than Highberger and Schauner.

First of all, I've not accused anybody of corruption, I'm just pointing out that the people who had the most money to spend, also managed to get the most vote. And WTF does this have to do with socialism or buying votes?

The bottom line is that the more time government officials spend raising money for the next campaign, the less time they spend doing what they were elected to do which is to GOVERN! The same thing happened at the end of the last election cycle when the Republicans were voted out of Congress, and before that in '92 when the Democrats were voted out before that.

Elected officials should be beholden to their constituents, not to their campaign donors, or to anybody else. If these guys are already spending alot of time raising money, before they're even elected, how much time are they going to have to doing their jobs if they win?

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 9 months ago

It looks like we can use money to gauge who's the winner... why bother to vote at all?

scott3460 7 years, 9 months ago

"At what population point in Lawrence's history did you stop loving it?"

I'm not sure I remember the numbers, but somewhere back in the days that the first leg of the SLT was first imposed upon us, the new "eco-Walmart" was approved, whenever that idiotic Tangier "outlet mall" idea was hatched & sprung on the suckers of Larryville, when the Riverfront mall launched. Things were still pretty OK then, but they were signs of the rapid downturn and decline in the livability of the town. Actually, the day they tore down the Putt-Putt at 31rst & Iowa. That's a pretty good marker. It's been all down hill since they tore down the Putt-Putt and, literally, as the song goes, put in a parking lot.

LiberalDude 7 years, 9 months ago

If James Bush and his church take over the Lawrecne city government, I'm leaving.

SB1 7 years, 9 months ago

At the end of the day, this group of candidates/commissioners will be just like the last group and the one before that....not one of them will go on record to reduce your property taxes, to prioritise use of your taxes to roads vs less-useful pursuits or articulate in a clear and concise fashion how they will improve quality of life and employment for the broader community. Despite increasing property values over the last 15 years, our mill levies increase every year and the city/county/school district are not held accountable. Do you really think that Dever and Chestnut are going to change anything? Well I've got this 'slightly damp' piece of property that I'd like to show you.....

Mkh 7 years, 9 months ago

Welcome to the 2007 Lawrence City Commision...brought to by our gracious sponsors Doug Compton and Gene Fritzel.

There goes the neighborhood.

cowboy 7 years, 9 months ago

Boog is bringing in a secret weapon to boost his appeal , his twin brother "The Naked Trucker" and T- bone will perform in concert.

scott3460 7 years, 9 months ago

Pilgrim: Right you are, it is Wanamaker in Topeka, not Wakarusa. Old age is catching up with me & it has been so long since I subjected myself to that hell-hole of traffic backup and congestion that I guess I blanked on the right name. You get the idea, however.

You may or may not have a point about growth & either going forward or going back. I think I'd argue that point a bit, but assuming we want some, limited growth, not all of us need to agree it needs to be Mc-Wal-Buy. Some unique local business would be fine with me. I enjoy a unique business or restaurant as much as the next idiot. Why each and every burg in America needs to reproduce it's own strip of crap is beyond me & it just sickens me to see a place like Lawrence being ruined and becoming that sort of bland, same, strip of crap-o-rama.

And I disagree on the putt-putt. It's the bank's parking lot that sits atop what used to be the majority of the putt-putt and batting cages.

scott3460 7 years, 9 months ago

Great idea!! A nice, unique new place in town with a cool view & using existing infrastructure. As opposed to tearing up 5 acres of cornfield out west so that we can all enjoy yet another Sonic, or if "fine dining" fits the mood, the delicious cuisine of an Olive Garden.

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