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President praises ‘honorable’ Ryun

November 5, 2006

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— Thirty-six hours before Americans go to the polls, President Bush was in Kansas trying to bolster U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun's campaign and stop a wave of discontent about the war in Iraq that threatens a Democratic takeover of Congress.

"We will fight in Iraq, and we will win in Iraq," Bush told 7,000 Republican faithful Sunday night at the Kansas Expocentre.

Bush spent most of his 40-minute speech defending his decision to invade Iraq and his administration's handling of the war.

"The decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision, and the world is better off," he said.

The loudest cheer of the night erupted when Bush told the crowd that earlier in the day Saddam, the former Iraqi leader, was convicted and sentenced to death.

Bush criticized Democrats, saying they had no plan for Iraq.

"If we want to leave before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here," Bush said. "Iraq's the central front in the war on terror."

Bush speaks at Ryun rally

President George W. Bush praises U.S. Representative Jim Ryun at a rally on November 5th. Ryun is in a tightly-contested race with Democrat Nancy Boyda for the 2nd District seat. Enlarge video

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Democrats who have criticized the president for the war and his tactics in fighting terrorists aren't unpatriotic, Bush said, "I'm just saying they're wrong."

He also said that if Democrats are put in charge of Congress, they will increase taxes.

After the event, Ryun, the Republican from Lawrence, said the president's visit would help him defeat Democrat Nancy Boyda in the race for the 2nd Congressional District, which includes west Lawrence, plus Topeka, Manhattan and much of southeastern Kansas.

At the outset of the campaign, Boyda wasn't given much of a chance of winning because she lost to Ryun in 2004 by 15 percentage points.

But in recent weeks, campaign polls have showed a close race. Boyda has said her internal polling has her ahead in the race.

Ryun said that as Bush was leaving the Expocentre, he asked Ryun, a former champion mile runner, if he "remembered that finishing kick."

Ryun said Bush told him: "I want to see it all the way through Tuesday."

'Honorable man'

While Bush asked the audience to support all the Republicans on the ballot, he heaped praise on Ryun, calling him a "compassionate conservative."

"He's a decent, honorable man who works hard on behalf of the people of Kansas," he said.

The Kansas Democratic Party had a different view, saying that Ryun was a "rubber stamp" for corrupt Washington officials, voting 95 percent of the time with indicted former Republican leader Tom DeLay.

"I think the people of Kansas deserve an independent voice to represent their interests in Congress, not another rubber stamp whose primary concern is to maintain the power of their party," state Democratic Party executive director Mike Gaughan said.

But Republicans who watched Bush said they hoped his visit would enthuse GOP voters.

Todd Pettit of Topeka acknowledged that the war was hurting Republicans. "People are not in favor of the war," Pettit said.

He said Iraqis need to be trained to take over security of their country, and if that doesn't happen, a plan is needed to start pulling out U.S. troops.

William McKenzie, of Wabaunsee County, said the president made a forceful presentation.

"He believes in his policies and follows through with them," he said.

Doug Wertenberger and his wife, Anne, of Sabetha wore "Jim Ryun" T-shirts to the rally. They said that Bush's visit will help Ryun, and that although many people are upset about the war, they will remain true to the president.

"I don't believe the war is going as well as Bush would like, but it's going as well as is possible," Doug Wertenberger said.

President Bush and U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun enjoy cheers from a Republican crowd at the Kansas Expocentre. The president stopped Sunday in Topeka to endorse Ryun and encourage voters to support other GOP candidates in Kansas in Tuesday's election.

President Bush and U.S. Rep. Jim Ryun enjoy cheers from a Republican crowd at the Kansas Expocentre. The president stopped Sunday in Topeka to endorse Ryun and encourage voters to support other GOP candidates in Kansas in Tuesday's election.

'Bad election' for GOP

Bob Beatty, a political science professor at Washburn University, said Bush's visit to Republican-dominated Kansas so close to the election shows the depth of the GOP's problems.

"This is going to be a bad election for Republicans, it's just a question of how bad," Beatty said. "It's almost shocking that Ryun's seat is in play because two years ago he handily defeated her."

Pollsters have said Democrats have a good chance of winning at least 15 additional House seats, which would give them control of the House. They also have said it's possible Democrats could win control of the Senate.

Beatty said Bush's visit could be a boon or backfire.

"Having a president may get out the base, but it will remind the independents why they are not happy in the first place," he said. "It's a gamble by the Republicans."

Comments

Kaw Pickinton 7 years, 10 months ago

"Bush criticized Democrats, saying they had no plan for Iraq."

When are you going to implement yours George?

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jayhawktownie 7 years, 10 months ago

somebody needs to help ryun with his no tie, no jacket, rolled up sleeves look. he just kind of looks disheveled like at the last minute somebody said, "wait, dress like the president!"

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mseybold 7 years, 10 months ago

They look like the Smothers Brothers!

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Soapdish 7 years, 10 months ago

I think it's so cute how they wore matching shirts... vomits in mouth a little

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GOPConservative 7 years, 10 months ago

I'm extremely loyal to Republican values, but I have no allegiance to the kind of people who have changed my Party's values and who have destroyed my Party's reputation.

First and foremost, Republicans should believe in fiscal responsibility. Ryun and Bush have borrowed two trillion dollars, most of it from the commie-atheists in China.

Further, they have wasted most of that borrowed money on fraud and waste in a war that should never have been waged in the first place.

Going to war under false pretense was bad enough, but this war was so poorly executed that thousands are dying and being maimed each week because this so-called "war of liberation" is now a civil war that was caused by Bush and rubber stamped by Ryun.

Bush and Ryun are still in denial about Iraq. They told us that after Saddam was overthrown, people would welcome us. Then, we were told that once we gave Iraq "sovereignty", they would welcome us. Then it was the capture of Saddam. Then it was this election or that election. Now, it is Saddam being sentenced that is supposed to make a difference.

Everyone knows the situation will continue to become worse each week. The damage is already done. The Iraqi people no longer care about Saddam. Now, they hate the Americans! In fact, thanks to Bush and Ryun, almost everyone in the world hates us.

Polls shows that at least 65 percent of the people in Iraq want us to leave. Despite that, Bush and Ryun claim that we are promoting democracy in Iraq.

Bush and Ryun have poured gasoline on the fires terrorism by their incompetent, greedy and ignorant policies. Making money for themselves and their special interests has been more important than protecting the American people through well-thought-out policies that defuse terrorism, not create it.

Ryun has become rich off of the defense contractors and other tax-sucking monopolies that he rubber stamped for Bush.

Being a war profiteer is bad enough, but some of Ryun's wealth is downright immoral and criminal. Take for example, the $300,000 he made on that real estate deal in Washington, D.C.

http://cjonline.com/stories/052106/loc_ryunhome.shtml

Ryun became rich from the industries represented by Abramoff that he voted to support. Some of those industries forced poor young girls in the Marianas into prostitution and then into abortions when Ryun's clients made them pregnant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/28/AR2006052800964.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5492833

Ryun claims that he didn't know until after he purchased the real estate that his $300,000 profit was from tainted money. Apparently, he justifies keeping this filthy profit on the basis of his ignorance.

If Ryun had even a shred of morality, he would have sold that house and have used the $300,000 profit to help those girls he "unknowingly" forced into prostitution and abortion.

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 10 months ago

Congress at the Midterm: Their 2005 Middle-Class Record

At the close of 2005, the Bush Administration was trumpeting a strong national economy. Productivity was growing. Consumer spending was healthy. Corporate profits were rising. But the public remained skeptical; as just one illustration, a Gallup poll near the end of the year revealed that three out of five Americans viewed the economy as only fair or poor, and a majority saw economic conditions as getting worse. The American people aren't stupid. The official optimism did nothing to obscure the increasingly harsh economic climate in which ordinary Americans found it harder than ever to hold onto a middle class standard of living, with a well-paying job, health insurance, the chance to own or keep a home, the opportunity to provide a good education to their children and the security of looking forward to a dignified retirement. Congress played no small part in driving the American Dream further out of reach for ordinary citizens in 2005. Congress at the Midterm: Their 2005 Middle-Class Record takes a closer look at the decisions made by Congress, from creating new obstacles for families overcome with debt to declare bankruptcy to a disastrous budget that aimed to pay for tax cuts benefiting the rich with dramatic cuts to student loans and health programs for the poor. In vote after vote, Congress disdained the concerns of middle-class Americans and opted instead to favor the already wealthy and powerful: a surefire recipe for a shrinking middle class.

http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/report.php?ID=30

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

I know this isn't news to the liberal/socialists in Lawrence, nor the socialist biased LJWorld, but, Saddam was convicted and sentenced to death, the people of Iraq are celebrating.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_verdict

Why this is not a "lastest breaking news" story I have no idea. Smells like selective censorship on the eve of an election.

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 10 months ago

¢ People who, according to the Wall Street Journal's editorial page, pay the estate tax: 'the thrifty middle class and entrepreneurs' ¢ Actual percentage of all U.S. estates that will be affected by the federal estate tax in 2006: 0.27 ¢ Amount that repealing the estate tax will cost the United States in the first decade: nearly $1 trillion ¢ Amount the U.S. national debt increased in fiscal year 2005: $553.7 billion ¢ Minimum amount the tax reconciliation bill approved by Congress in May will cost the public over five years: $70 billion ¢ Percentage of the capital gains and dividend tax cuts in the bill that will go to households with incomes over $1 million a year: 45 More»

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 10 months ago

*Percentage of the capital gains and dividend tax cuts in the bill that will go to households with incomes over $1 million a year: 45

*Average tax cut for middle-class households in the bill: $20

*Average tax cut for households with incomes over $1 million:: $43,000

*Number of U.S. Congress members who are millionaires: 170

*Minimum amount incoming Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. will save on his taxes if he puts assets in a blind trust, and uses this opportunity to diversify his holdings as he is expected to: $48 million

*Percentage increase in taxes on their college savings some teenagers will see under the new tax bill: 250

*Percentage increase in four-year public university tuition and fees during President Bush's tenure: 57

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 10 months ago

The Bush/Ryun Team:

America is now seen as a threat to world peace by its closest neighbours and allies, according to an international survey of public opinion published today that reveals just how far the country's reputation has fallen among former supporters since the invasion of Iraq.

Carried out as US voters prepare to go to the polls next week in an election dominated by the war, the research also shows that British voters see George Bush as a greater danger to world peace than either the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, or the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both countries were once cited by the US president as part of an "axis of evil" but it is Mr Bush who now alarms voters in countries with traditionally strong links to the US.

The survey has been carried out by the Guardian in Britain and leading newspapers in Israel (Haaretz), Canada (La Presse and Toronto Star) and Mexico (Reforma), using professional local opinion polling in each country.It exposes high levels of distrust. In Britain, 69% of those questioned say they believe US policy has made the world less safe since 2001, with only 7% thinking action in Iraq and Afghanistan has increased global security. The finding is mirrored in America's immediate northern and southern neighbours, Canada and Mexico, with 62% of Canadians and 57% of Mexicans saying the world has become more dangerous because of US policy. Even in Israel, which has long looked to America to guarantee national security, support for the US has slipped.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

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avoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Merrill: Thank you for all of that. My sentiments exactly. Over the past 6 years my middle-class family and our small family-owned business has gone from great success to struggling to cutting back to barely surviving. All I can think is that those people with the rosy glasses must be above the middle class, in the 10% of Americans who somehow are still getting by (or think they are). And your references to how the rest of the world perceives U.S. is right-on. And chilling. We need to take off those rosy glasses and really look at ourselves in the real mirror instead of the one that distorts U.S. and makes U.S. look great.

Rationalanimal: You're buying into the abridged version. It's the Sunnis who are celebrating. The Shiites are protesting. The conviction and sentencing has further polarized the factions in Iraq. Although the man is getting what he deserves, no one is going to get any kind of peace, reconciliation or closure from his death. It's just another torch thrown into the conflagration.

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Nonsense 7 years, 10 months ago

Ryun, keep running..... (hopefully somewhere else the man that doesn't even have a Kansas drivers license)

Signed Kansas

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KsTwister 7 years, 10 months ago

"We will fight in Iraq, and we will win in Iraq," Bush told 7,000 Republican faithful Sunday night at the Kansas Expocentre."

Faithful at what price? ...for how many years?

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Scott Tichenor 7 years, 10 months ago

Ryun's web site has a link called "Truth Alert". Click on the link and you get a 404 - File Not Found. Ill intentioned, I'm sure, but it fits his crimes.

http://www.jimryun.com/default.aspx?sectionid=2712

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Staci Dark Simpson 7 years, 10 months ago

Pointless to even argue politics on a message board based in Lawrence. If you're not liberal you are just wasting your breath, sadly.

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BrianR 7 years, 10 months ago

Rational, Interesting post except that the reality is almost the exact opposite of what your post asserts.

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Kontum1972 7 years, 10 months ago

"Shot Gun Dick".. said we will be in Iraq for 20-50 years.....Wow...thats alot of dead GI's..who out there wants to give up their kid for this?

btw..if they execute Saddam there is really gonna be some caca by the iraqi's...u thought october was bad for US GI's ...just u wait..thay whole area will go ballistic...like GASoline on an open flame...whoosh....

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kmat 7 years, 10 months ago

spacystaci8 - what do you expect? This is Lawrence, the one and only oasis in KS where liberals aren't afraid to speak their minds. If you don't like it, then don't read these. It kills me when ultra conservatives complain that there is one area in KS that isn't conservative. THIS IS A UNIVERSITY TOWN WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO OPEN THEIR MINDS AND CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO!

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drewdun 7 years, 10 months ago

So rt, you wanna stop the 'hateful' liberals from 'destroying America?' Ummm, what exactly would you call the last five years of GOP rule if not attempting to 'destroy America?'

And rationalanimal: I'm glad you have all of the conman talking points down. Let's see: liberals hate America? Check. Liberals are pacifist pu&s? Check (even though this has been refuted by this little thing called reality countless times. For example, of something like 12 Iraq War veterans running for Congress, all but one are Democrats. But really, when has living in reality and using facts ever been a strong point for wingnuts?). Liberals will raise our taxes? Check (forgetting for the moment the enormous budget deficit caused by the extreme fiscal irresponsibility of the 'small government' party). Bottom line: this is all you've got. THIS IS IT. You can't defend the disastrous rule of your right-wing heroes, so all you can do is bring out some traditional Repuke red-herring talking points. The Republican Party and the vermin that vote for them are so morally bankrupt that it truly is beyond belief. Shameless.

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publicdefender 7 years, 10 months ago

James Ronald Ryun deserves nothing, but a ticket out of Congress and into the political history books where he will be forgotten. He has used his office to advance his personal interests--both financial and religious. Correspondence from his office reads like a "GOP sermon" complete with a blessing from the congressman. The second district deserves better! Vote for Boyda! A real voice from us in Congress, not a rubberstamp for Bush!

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BigDog 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by kmat

THIS IS A UNIVERSITY TOWN WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO OPEN THEIR MINDS AND CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO!


Kmat - I don't think too many people have a problem when this is true but too often people at universities try to silence those they don't agree with. It happens all over the country, at universities, when conservatives speak. A crowd of those who don't agree try to stop their speech by shouting them down.

If one is truly open to the free exchange of ideas on issues they are open to letting a person speak whether they agree with them or not.

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

Couranna, thanks for using my quote about the attacks on Sept. 11 as a reference. I appreciate it very much. Now, folks, what's it going to be? Tomorrow will be a new day, but come Wednesday, what will we have decided? To take Kansas & the Nation into another BACKWARDS loophole with fly by night amendments in bills in Congress that no one KNOWS anything about that bankrupts our society morally & financially, or are we going to tell the KLINE CLAN & others ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? The choice is ours, & we better think long & hard tonight before we go to vote tomorrow. I want Kansas to move ahead, & I want us to take our country BACK! To the extremists of our country & to the bad guys around the world: The United States of America is NOT FOR SALE!

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

Thanks to Dick Cheney, we all know the GOPers know how to "shoot from the hip" without an accurate aim or target.

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

Spacystaci8, It's not just Lawrence, it's EVERYWHERE in Kansas that the GOP right wing extreme have a message that has churned up voters, like myself. Michael J. Fox said stem cell research is needed to help people like him get a cure for Muscular Distrophy diseases like Parkinson's. The GOP says NO to life in this case because they claim it includes cloning. GOP, Prove it! In another case, the GOP's Bible thumping agent, PHILL KLINE & other extremists, say abortions are illegal when they are NOT! Phill Kline's ILLEGAL search & seizure of medical records, not to mention his violation of patients' privacy, came on the heels of a fishing expedition against Dr. George Tiller & others. Don't you get it? The GOP wants to save lives, but they clearly don't support Stem Cell Research & they speak out AGAINST abortions even if the mother's health is in danger or she suffered from incest or was raped. The GOP's arguments aren't viable ANYMORE! As Howard Dean put it elegantly, "it is time for a new direction". That new direction includes VOTING OUT Phill Kline & putting him in jail. Do you want Kansas to have a brighter future, or do you want Kansas to continue to be the laughing stock of the entire nation? Take your pick.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

Its fairly simple. Vote democrat and you'll get-- drastically increased taxes across the board amnesty for illegal aliens expansion of abortion rights gay marriage bloated government social programs meet the approval of terrorist organizations * endless budget showdowns regarding supporting our troops in Iraq

Vote Republican and you get-- low taxes policies that keep money in your pocket and the govts hands out Stock Market at a record high percentage of home ownership at all time record levels all time low unemployment numbers policies that help small business owners * historically low lending rates

Yo, the terrorist organization in the middle east want us to vote democrat. That should tell us something. Tigers don't change their stripes, democrats are what they have always been, liberals that are for socialsim, big govt spending, cut and run geopolitical pacifism, and an endless gravey train of social programs. Somebody's got to pay for all of it, and its you and I, hardworking Americans. Liberals don't represent the interests of America, they'll sell us out to the U.N. and the socialists in Europe. Noboby's talking about this because liberals can't get elected if we remember who they are, bad for America.

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

"Posted by spacystaci8 (anonymous) on November 6, 2006 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pointless to even argue politics on a message board based in Lawrence. If you're not liberal you are just wasting your breath, sadly."

Well, it's good that you just cop out then, even if you are a fool for thinking that Lawrence has a homogenous liberal viewpoint.

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

The problem with spacystaci8's comment is that she & others fail to understand that even the most committed GOP voter in Kansas FINALLY has received a mesage loud & clear: We DO NOT want ANY more extremists dictating life here in Kansas. The GOP in Lawrence are disgusted with Ryun, KLINE, Barnett & Wag the Dog Wagle, & most of all we are disgusted with BUSH! You know who the bigger fool is here? ME! I admit I voted for Bush because I thought for a second term he would keep us safe. Yes, we were not attacked since 9/11, but he has steered us to where we cannot fight the bad guys over THERE in Iraq, & we lost our focus with Afghanistan, where we should have been all this time finding that SOB Bin Laden. He has also bankrupted our country morally & financially. You know something, folks, I feel bad about where we are, but you know something, this President has taught me a lesson about the GOP: NOT even the GOP can get its "house" in order. Well, come tomorrow, hopefully, that "house" will be in chaos. Is Nancy Pelosi any better for the nation? No, but she is a better alternative to Hastert the horrendous, & bonehead Boehner, & Delay the dunce.

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

Jim Ryun is STILL a part of the GOP Bankruptcy machine in our country. His party as taken us to financial ruin, BigDog. That Medicare part D JOKE, is a BURDEN to our children. That & other unfunded mandates MUST GO bye bye, as does the extreme right of the GOP!

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ilovelucy 7 years, 10 months ago

Irrational: dupped. What's that?

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kmat 7 years, 10 months ago

Oh right thinker - go back to living in your hole. I can at least sit back and laugh, knowing you will be hanging your head between your legs tomorrow.

Your comment on Franken being backrupted kills me. I'd like to know where the hell you got that from. In two years, you can be calling him Senator Franken. AAR did file bankruptsy (to rearrange finances- listening to them now and they are stronger than ever), but Franken has plenty o' money and a majority in MN that are going to elect him to the senate. Early polls already show he will cream stupid Coleman.

And before you go on a bs rant about AAR filing bankruptsy, let me remind you that Faux News took years until they were out of the red. The only reason they made it was because of Murdock's fortunes bailing them out. MSNBC - took years to get out of the red. AAR has only been around for a few years, has over 100 stations and are beating the hell out of Hannity and O'Reilly on the radio (O'Reilly has been removed from many markets because his ratings tanked when AAR came on the air). Why don't you try to prove the bs on your last ranting post. Dare ya!

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Mike Blur 7 years, 10 months ago

ASbestos: OUR ECONOMY is Simply AMAZING!!! That is one thing lefty yahoos do not understand.... economic theory. You prove that over and over with every post.


I'm not an economist, but I can understand that when the Bush administrations sells several hundred billion, maybe a trillion, dollars' worth of US securities to atheist, Communist China to finance tax cuts, Wall Street and the War on Terra,then I am certain that the administration's economic policy is not only unsound, it is downright frightening. China has WMD, and they have us by the short hairs. I haven't read one "right thinker" or "rightwinger" or "bowhunter" on this forum address the very real problem of the Bush administration selling out US interests to cash-flush Communist China.

I'd like to clean up a couple other factually-understated points made by the Republican advocates on this board. First, the reason why home mortgage rates are "historically low" and home ownership is "historically high" is because a) home lending is no longer mortgage based, but FEE-BASED, and lenders may offer low rates but extraordinary high fees to borrowers. Deregulation of the banking industry by Republicans has brought forth a cottage industry of "mortgage brokers" who care little about the lending rates, as long as they are raking in their fees. In fact "subprime lending" is the hook that shady mortgage brokers lure in unsuspecting borrowers, and then sock them with outrageous fees.

For those who think that low mortage rates and high ownership rates are a positive force derived from Bush economic policies, I got something I wanna show you. Next post....

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Mike Blur 7 years, 10 months ago

Before I continue, about illegal immigration...we must not forget, the Number One advocate of amnesty for illegal immigrants is President George W. Bush. Ryun even came out in late TV ads saying he quote "opposes President Bush's plan for granting amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants."

Now, about the wonders of high home ownership rates, due to the policies of our President and our Republican controlled House and Senate...the following is quoted from a fascinating aritcle from last month's issue of Mother Jones. Recommended reading for all: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/09/prime_suspect.html "The FBI is also talking to Nicole Farrow. She briefly owned the vacant house at the very end of Barbara Anderson's block, the one with empty bottles of Thunderbird on the porch and large holes carved in the drywall where fixtures used to be. The entire heating system is gone. The sink has been ripped out of the house's only bathroom, a fetid space in the basement. Just a few signs of life persist: "Destiny's Child" and "Aaliyah" scribbled on a bedroom wall upstairs; a baby bottle on the linoleum downstairs, near piles of broken glass.

In late 2004, Ameriquest foreclosed on the property's absentee owner. Ameriquest turned around and sold the house to an investor; that investor resold it a couple of months later to Farrow. It wasn't the only Cleveland house Farrow purchased. Between February 2004 and June 2005, her name shows up in conjunction with eight properties, purchased with a total of $465,000 in Argent loans.

Farrow made for an unlikely real estate investor: pregnant, racked with severe morning sickness, and recently relocated from Las Vegas. "I didn't even have a job," she says, sitting in her mother's suburban dining room, its table covered with stacks of mortgage papers. What she did have was a boyfriend looking to close some real estate deals. "'Cleveland is a hot market,' he told me. 'We can make good money.'"

What the boyfriend wanted to do was use Farrow's credit to take out loans; he would then sell the houses back to himself, a company that his sister controlled, or other collaborators, getting the properties reappraised at much higher prices and -- through Farrow -- pocketing the difference. They did manage to flip some of the houses, but others didn't sell. Scarcely a year after Farrow bought the houses, she was in default on two that she still owned, and two of the ones she'd sold were also in foreclosure."

Home ownership is at an all time high! YAY!!!!

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

Rational:

Its fairly simple. Vote democrat...

Your understanding of the political issues may be simple, but you've left out one important fact. Most Americans (and Iraqis) are worse off now than they were even 2 years ago and anyone with even half a brain cell knows this!

And please, tell me again why its better to lower taxes now and pass the bill on to our grandchildren than to pay higher taxes now and actually pay down our debts. 'Cause I'd really like to hear how you "rationalize" this!

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acg 7 years, 10 months ago

Man I can only imagine how low the collective IQ was at this rally of freaking masterminds.

Dubya "Uh, we're gonna use our strategery here and help, uh, (who's this guy?) uh, Jim Ryun win in Kansas. Go Cornhuskers!!"

I can't believe people actually came out to watch this blowhard and his band of merry idiots bumble over their words and lie to everyone. You'd think people would have better things to do than give that waste of space and air any lip time.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

logicsound04

Gee, that's convenient, pointing out negative geopolitical news is relevant to local elections, but pointing out any positive geopolitical news isn't. Given the rampant commentary on here regarding the war in Iraq as a factor in shaping the voter landscape, your rationale is less than honest. Like I said, it smells like selective censorship and all you 1st Amendment, ACLU liberals don't seem to mind. That's called hypocrisy for the lay person.

MyName

Please, if even a person with half a brain cell knows how bad off we are, cite specific "objective" (being the operative word) empirical data supporting this claim.

That's the whole problem with the "independent" democrat in sheep's clothing. Their telling us how bad things are and that they'll give us change, but haven't given a scintilla of resemblance of a specific plan. Again, please point out a specific plan the liberals have offered to the American people other than Republicans bad, change, vote for me.

I'm very interested to know your personal plight. Please share. We all want to hear how bad you have it, how you are living in the streets because mean old GWB has lowered your taxes, made interest rates low, avoided further terrorist attacks on American soil, and made buying a home more accessible to every American. Please tell us all how bad you have it.

Lastly, as for this our kids are going to have to pay for it. Every big government program instituted in the the last hundred years owe their existence to democrats, liberals, and socialists. The biggest ticket item was FDR's new deal. It was funded in the red from its inception and America has been trying to figure a way to pay it off from the start. Democrats are now telling us they can give us all free healthcare. Wow, one financial disaster socialist program after another, afterall, they should balance each other out. So please, spare us all the "our children are going to have to pay for it" modern rhetoric when it was your democrat grandfathers that bequethed the huge debt to our conservative generation, and its the modern democrats proposing to pile on the debt from inception socialist programs in the future. Tigers don't change their stripes, democrats are still the big ticket socialist debt party even if they have put the whole on this election. Their solutions haven't changed an iota either, tax the crude out of the American people. I'd rather just keep my hard earned money thank you very much.

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BigDog 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by logicsound04

RT,

Okay, I'm willing to give your viewpoint a try. It is absolutely necessary for Democrats to have ideas rather than simply attacking the other side.

The problem is, being a liberal, I'm not really sure what an "idea" is. I try and I try, but all I can see is liberal talking points when I close my eyes.

I've got an idea--please just demonstrate an idea, so that I can have a good example of one. In fact, you can use the quote of your own from above. You conservatives seem to have the market cornered on this "idea" business... Just show me one from your post, please?


I guess that is another creative way to not have to come up with any kind of plan or idea?

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DaREEKKU 7 years, 10 months ago

Does anybody else find it funny that in addition to "freedom" and "morals" that now the Republican Party has hijacked the word "victory"? I think they've counted their eggs too soon...

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

Lastly, as for this our kids are going to have to pay for it. Every big government program instituted in the the last hundred years owe their existence to democrats, liberals, and socialists. The biggest ticket item was FDR's new deal. It was funded in the red from its inception and America has been trying to figure a way to pay it off from the start.

That's a load of BS. Who was the one pushing for the Medicare prescription bill this last round?? It sure as heck wasn't the democrats, they didn't even have a single House in Congress. And Bush signed the dang thing! So don't even lie about this! Not only that, but how much of FDR's new deal, signed 60+ years ago, is left? Answer: social security, which actually brings in more revenue than it takes out!

Not only that, but more than half of our debt since 1980 has come about from sky-high defense budgets. And that debt has increased by a trillion since Bush II took office. Nearly all of that came about because of the bogus war in Iraq and those worthless tax cuts for the rich! You can spout this stuff all you like, but if you do the math, it doesn't add up.

So tell me again why cutting taxes, increasing spending, and borrowing from our children is good for the country. I love hearing your red kool-aid drinking "rational"-izations.

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Emily Hadley 7 years, 10 months ago

"We will fight in Iraq, and we will win in Iraq"

Oooh, what do we win? What do we win? Is it like a court case, where they have to pay back your costs?

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ryanjasondesch 7 years, 10 months ago

Your tax dollars at work: Bush visits Ryun in Topeka to witness firsthand the GOP's nosedive in Kansas. My opinion: this visit was derp de derp ta teedely derpee derpee dumb. But at least I got to pay for it.

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BigDog 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by logicsound04

The only issue related to geopolitical events here is that voting for Ryun is the same as voting for Bush--there is LITERALLY no difference because Ryun tows the party line on every issue. When was the last time you heard about Ryun introducing a bill? I don't like Sam Brownback any more than Ryun, but at least he is being proactive with his position.

If you look at his record closer you might see that he Jim Ryun voted AGAINST two of Bush's most well known pieces of legislation .......... No Child Left Behind - Opposed ....... Medicare Part D -- Opposed

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ilovelucy 7 years, 10 months ago

Irrational animal: spouting about topics of which he knows nothing (once again).
Historically low lending rates? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The rates started their down turn toward lower rates in 1998. W wasn't around then. Think back to the 80's and the "low" rates then. I believe that the 18% rates had something to do with Reagan? You probably weren't out of diapers yet.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

ilovelucy,

by low lending rates, you must be talking about the Carter era when people had mortgages at 22 - 25%. Sorry, I failed to mention that.

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

It's a front page story on the NY Times ("In Iraq, Shiite Joy and a Boost for Prime Minister"), how is that "being ignored"? Maybe if conditions in Iraq were a little safer on the ground, we might get the wall-to-wall coverage you seem to be coveting, but that's not Bush's fault, or anything?

Honestly, it's a day before the election, and you want the newspapers to bury the polling data. Could it be you're already disgusted with your upcoming loses?

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BigDog 7 years, 10 months ago

More deceitful, duplicitous behavior on the part of GWB. He must have learned this behavior from the right Reverend Haggard in one of their weekly phone conversations...

Or the Clinton's?

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

logicsound04

blah, blah,blah, blah, blah. You're splitting hairs when you say positive geopolitical news is not relevant. Again, for the lay person that's called lying. As for the beloved liberal LJWorld, its called selective news reporting. Another example of how the LJW is biased media. Finally, at a more troubling level, your refusal to recognize that this is a relevant story speaks to your objectivity as an American voter. How's the Kool Aide?

The real story here, and this is why its being ignored, is that despite all the carnage the terrorists in Iraq have inflicted recently, the citizens of Iraq continue to rally after the verdict. That's why liberals like yourself pass it off as irrelevant. The real story here is that this is evidence (flying in the face of all the intentional focus on the bad aspects of Iraq) that the Iraqi people are glad we did they job we did and are optimistic about their future and the conclusion of this operation once the shadow of Saddam is wiped out. However, liberals see what they want to see, and that is what the liberal candidates have presented to the American voters this mid-term election. But, when the smoke and mirrors come down, their the same old big government, big taxes on every American family, big socialist spending programs, liberal/socialist party they have always been.

DON'T BE DUPPED AMERICA. The democrats will jack your taxes up on Day #1 and send the economy into a recession. Pelosi will cram gay marriage down our throat, and Wrangle will stop all funding of our troops.

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ksmoderate 7 years, 10 months ago

Rationalanimal says: "Pelosi will cram gay marriage down our throat..."

HA!!! HA HA!!! That made me smile on this gloomy Monday.

That's right folks! According to Rational, as soon as Pelosi becomes speaker she will somehow mandate that every american has to attend the civil union ceremony of two gay people, then bring them home for dinner and watch them consummate their union on their living room floor.

HA!! HA HA!!

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yourworstnightmare 7 years, 10 months ago

I find it amusing that Bush is still using the "stay the course" line in the guise of "We will fight in Iraq, and we will win in Iraq".

All the while, behind the scenes the Bush administration (with James Baker) are plotting "cut and run" strategies to get the US out of Iraq asap.

More deceitful, duplicitous behavior on the part of GWB. He must have learned this behavior from the right Reverend Haggard in one of their weekly phone conversations...

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

' '' ''' '''' ''''''' ''''''''' ''''''''''''

rational_animal - repeat after me...

"I'm sorry everyone. It is hard for me to let go of my misguided political beliefs. I've dug a deep hole for myself. I just realized that I am very, very wrong and ashamed of my republican allies in office. I will no longer lie to myself and tun a blind eye to the massive trainwreck that has been made from the rebublican party. "

-just so you know, we forgive you and it's OK. Right everyone?

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

Rationalanimal and right thinker are retarded twins.

Hey, rationalanimal?!?!?!

GOPConservative is one of your republican buddies who admits that republicans have dropped the ball.
Just read his post above. He says it all. At least he isnt bull-headed enough to fight the wrong fight.

I think it's kinda cute that anytime someone criticizes the republican party all you insecure GOPers immediately retaliate against the democratic party instead of being accountable for the issue at hand.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

Yea, KSliberal (let's drop the pretension) Pelosi cramming gay marriage down our throat is such a stretch. Let's review Pelosi is the likely speaker of the house (assuming the dems win), the speaker controls the agenda of congress, Pelosi is a rabid liberal, Pelosi is abundantly on record saying she supports gay marriage, Pelosi is from San Fran, and really the only standing the way of federally endorsed gay marriage is the federal Family Defense of Marriage Act. The proposition at issue is such a stretch isn't it?

Interesting that of all the things you disputed from my earlier posts, you did not dispute that the democrats will jack our taxes up from Day #1. You are honest at least at some levels.

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Bradley Kemp 7 years, 10 months ago

"No terrorists attacks on US soil in more than 5 yrs. Check."

True, but irrelevant. Does this fact prove that any attacks have been prevented? No.

"Stock market record high. Check."

True. After languishing for years, the DJI has returned to levels it reached during the Clinton presidency. It's not that wonderful to have the stock market at a "record high" if the annual gains have been lackluster or worse.

"Saddam getting hanged. Check."

Not true. He's been sentenced. He will appeal, of course, and it possible that the sentence will never be carried out given the chaos that would result if it were. I'll bet that if Saddam Hussein is dead by 2016, it'll be from natural causes.

"Dems have ZERO ideas. Check."

You keep saying that. What you mean is that you don't like any of their ideas.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

don_burgess

Isn't the use of "retarded" a highly derrogatory remark making fun of mentally impaired people?

I hardly dare tell you that I'm black or a woman for fear of what names you will call me.

You've exposed your extremist bigotry for all to see. Thank you.

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

Interesting that of all the things you disputed from my earlier posts, you did not dispute that the democrats will jack our taxes up from Day #1. You are honest at least at some levels.

What's interesting is that you've given up even trying to defend that BS about how "the Dems" and "FDR" are responsible for our current fiscal spending spree in this country. Now that you've let go of that lie, maybe you can embrace the truth and vote for someone who will get this country back on the right track. And maybe this country needs to have taxes raised a little bit, as long as we also cut spending on crap programs and pork like the 'bridge to nowhere'!

Bush's tax cuts for the rich did next to nothing to help our economy. It was the lower interest rates that brought us out of the slump. So, conversely, raising taxes and lowering our debt will probably not do any harm, and it may even help thing like the trade deficit.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

MyName "What's interesting is that you've given up even trying to defend that BS about how "the Dems" and "FDR" are responsible for our current fiscal spending spree in this country."


I haven't given it up, I established the point. You definitely haven't refuted that the democrat/socialists have historically given the American people the big ticket spending socialist programs requiring our taxes to sky rocket. You also fail to defend and ignore the huge taxpayer cost and suffocating burden socialized healthcare will be on the working American taxpayers. And you are no doubt strategically ignoring the fact that European countries that have adopted the socialist programs that the American democrat/liberals endorse have marginal tax rates to the tune of 60 - 80%, where doctors only work 8-4 Mon - Fri, and if your a senior citizen "get out the healthcare line and go stand in the euthansia line". At least you have a solution when the working taxpayers can't afford your socialized healthcare plan.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

Kmat,

seriously, you made me laugh.

MyName

  1. Even if Social Security brings in more money now than it doles out, the reason is there are 3 workers for every person on the SS dole. In 10 to 20 years that ratio will flip to 1 worker to 3 on the dole. So, unless the democrats have a huge piggy bank somewhere (maybe well find in Saddam's WMD bunker), SS is about to go majorly bankrupt unless the American taxpayers are paying out the nose to the tune of average marginal rates above 50%. FDR gave us this big white elephant, no doubt, hoping history would make it solvent. Its never been solvent. Its just so happened America has always had more taxpayers supporting it than retirees on the dole.

  2. I know you haven't mentioned socialized healthcare, but your party can't wait to cram this huge socialist disaster down our throats.

EXKs

Repeat after me......

Big socialist govt

Astronomical marginal tax rates

Gay Marriage

Cut and run geopolitical pacifism

Cut and slash military spending

RECESSION

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

Right Thinker : Go back and read 1:54. I DID address you, retard.

And, yes - I am familiar with the politically correct forms of labeling metally handicapped people.

You are wrong, however. When I say retard, I'm not calling you mentally challenged or mentally handicapped or even HANDI-CAPABLE.

I'm using the term "RETARDED" in a more literal sense.

When I refer to you as a retard, I actullay mean that you are S-L-O-W. (Which is what retard means)

Your politcal ideas are slow. They are antiquaited. If it was 1950 your arguments and rambling would hold much more value and truth then they do today. That is what I mean by slow and that is why you are a retard. (politically-speaking)

Thanks for the clairification. - good debate.

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kmat 7 years, 10 months ago

Unrational animal - stop your bs whining about taxes. Taxes will go up under dem control, but you won't be paying higher taxes unless you are in the top 1% of the elitist rich in this country.

You say dems have no ideas. You obviously don't listen to any dems, or you would know that they only want to repeal the tax cuts given to the top 1% in this country. So, if you are in the top 1% and really will have your taxes raised, then I have no sympathy for you. Give a ton of your money to charity and then it won't be taxed. If you aren't in the top 1% (as I suspect), then stop your ridiculous whining.

When you say dems have no ideas - I need to explain something to you. Dems tend to work in groups, brainstorm and come up with mutual ideas instead of the republican way where the leader says one thing and everyone falls in line. Unlike repubs, we are free thinkers. Also, since the dems have had no power during this administration, they don't get to speak as much as the talking heads for the administration. Just wait until we have some power back, then you will see what dems can do.

I think you are just scared that you and other neo-cons are about to be proven wrong (by the nation as a whole). We're all fed up, including moderate republicans. Only a few of you neo-cons still have your heads stuck in the sand (and you'll probably keep them there instead of hoping good can come from this political revolution).

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

I haven't given it up, I established the point.

You said FDR's programs were the start of the problem. I pointed out that Social Security brings in more money than it takes out. Your response, was what?

You said "Every big government program instituted in the the last hundred years owe their existence to democrats." I pointed out that Medicare part D was implemented by a Republican Congress, and signed by a Republican President. Your response was what? I also pointed out that the big Defense spending programs in the 80s, which are the root cause of most of our debt, were also Republican sponsored, and your response was what?

Finally, I pointed out, that our current deficit was almost entirely caused by the Republican led bogus war in Iraq, and the Republican sponsored tax cuts for the rich, and your response was "I've established the point".

I've never advocated socialized healthcare, I have mentioned the fact that Bush's fiscal planning has been a disaster, and you seem to think it's all the Dems fault! Keep drinking that Kool-Aid buddy, only 36 hours left until the Dems take over and start fixing this stuff.

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Staci Dark Simpson 7 years, 10 months ago

Is tomorrow over yet? Tired of the ads, the mailings, the phone calls. Tired of the endless bickering, who is better Dems or Reps? I was just saying earlier, argue until you are blue in the face, you are not going to change anyones mind about how they are going to vote. I was Republican when I logged on and I still am now. You can argue your points till you are blue in the face, but I still follow God and the Bible and those are the principles I vote for. In the end thats what matters. The bible says killing is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, etc. Say I am backwards or whatever but I want God on my side in the end, thats what really matters. I know most of you won't "get" that but thats where I am coming from.

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EXks 7 years, 10 months ago

Karl Rove, G. Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, the CUT and RUN chicken hawk boys who AVOIDED military service,

repeat after me.....

Nancy Pelosi, madame Speaker of the House!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA, how about a nice slice of crow pie.

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DaREEKKU 7 years, 10 months ago

Jonas:

Faith is personal and should not be mingled with politics. I don't believe your faith makes you backwards, however your attitude towards political policies are flawed.

I find it perplexing that Jesus talked himself about seperation of church and state and his followers do exactly the opposite. Honestly if you look at policies and procedures it seems Jesus would have been either a Communist or a Democratic Socialist. Republicans don't own morals, don't own religion, and aren't "God's Chosen Party."

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rhd99 7 years, 10 months ago

I too am Republican, Staci, but Kline & others on the GOP ticket are going to lose. Mixing religion with politics is a dangerous & foolish hand to play. You unfortunately have fallen into a trap of Kline's own demise. He is finished, gone, go bye bye! Time for a change of course. Go, Democrats!

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KsTwister 7 years, 10 months ago

Yes we may have to pay taxes to get our country back but remember it was GW who raised the debt limit in March then ran around wildly waving his checkbook with IOU's.

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EXks 7 years, 10 months ago

last six years of GOP rule

Bob Nye, guilty of corruption charges, check Tom DeLay guilty of criminal conspiracy, check Jack Abramoff guilty of three felony charges, check Mark Foley guilty of soliciting sex from minors, check Death of Habeas Corpus, check Stay the failed Course in Iraq, check 320 billion spent in Iraq, check 2,800 DEAD American soldiers, check 20,000 maimed and wounded, check 100,000 DEAD Iraqi civilians, check Bin Laden NOT captured, check Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan , check Tax cuts for millionaires, check Poverty Rates UP three years in a row, check

checkmate for bush & company, check!

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

  1. So now you're talking about a problem that could happen in the future if no one fixes it. What did Bush do to fix it except propose some unworkable scheme? And how is the debt/deficit FDRs fault if his programs are actually bringing more money than they take out? More BS.

  2. Again, you're talking about the bogeyman. What do your fears about the future have to do with our current fiscal situation? Dems "can't wait" to bring in socialized medicine. Just like the Repubs can't wait to have a gov't sponsored prescription program. Again more BS.

The Republicans are just as responsible for big gov't as the Dems. The difference is that when the Dems propose a program, they actually find a way to pay for it.

Repeat after me:

The world hates us because of Bush's bogus war in Iraq.

The terrorists are costing us $1000 for every dollar they spend because we're chasing the bogeyman in Iraq.

Bush's domestic policy consists of tax cuts for the rich, and corporate welfare. And he can't even handle a f-ing hurricane!

Finally, It's cheaper to pay these debts now, and risk the slim chance of a recession, then never pay them and guarantee a depression.

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DaREEKKU 7 years, 10 months ago

Has anybody else heard about the absentee ballots being returned in Douglas County because the post office forgot to post the new postage on the return Envelopes? Just wondering, I have heard from several people about it, but haven't read anything in the paper about it; maybe I missed it?

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

Rational_animal -

Please stop writing this nonsense. You are embarassing yourself. If you have a shred of dignity left, you will apologize to everyone here and go vote democrat tomorrow to undo some of the mess your republican ass-face friends have reeked in DC.

I feel sorry for you.

idiot.

PS - Often times retards will feel hurt, violated, insecure and vulnerable.

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Katara 7 years, 10 months ago

Millions of lower-income Americans - those earning $25,000 annually or less - HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE FEDERAL TAX ROLLS. In 2000, roughly 29 million tax returns had no federal tax owed. Four years later, the number rose to about 43 MILLION RETURNS.

Taxpayers who earned $35,000 in 2000 have gotten a 40% DECREASE IN TAX BURDEN. ~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm. Way to mislead with your figures.

I doubt we are talking about taxpayers that are single & have no dependents. I'm fairly certain those people got very little, if any, tax reduction ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ taxpayers who earned between $100,000 and $200,000 in 2004 paid 22.5% of all federal taxes, UP from 19.4% four years earlier. Those who earned between $200,000 and $500,000 in 2004 paid 17.9% of all federal taxes, UP from 15.4% in 2000. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You are missing a fairly sizable demographic here. What about the taxpayers from 35,0001-99,999? Many (including me) saw their tax burden go up.

Where is the remaining 82.1% of the taxes coming from? Not from the ones above 500,000 for income.

Not only do the ultra rich benefit from the tax cuts, but they are also able to afford the best of the best when it comes to tax advice in order to shelter their money.

The middle class is the one that gets royally screwed with the Bush tax cuts.

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Katara 7 years, 10 months ago

right_thinker - Have you heard that ACORN is the one who turned in the workers who did that?

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ksmoderate 7 years, 10 months ago

Rationalanimal spews: "Yea, KSliberal (let's drop the pretension) Pelosi cramming gay marriage down our throat is such a stretch. Let's review Pelosi is the likely speaker of the house (assuming the dems win), the speaker controls the agenda of congress, Pelosi is a rabid liberal, Pelosi is abundantly on record saying she supports gay marriage, Pelosi is from San Fran, and really the only standing the way of federally endorsed gay marriage is the federal Family Defense of Marriage Act. The proposition at issue is such a stretch isn't it?

Interesting that of all the things you disputed from my earlier posts, you did not dispute that the democrats will jack our taxes up from Day #1. You are honest at least at some levels."

I only disputed one claim of yours, and that was the Pelosi business. You must have me confused with another poster?

If I'm a liberal, then why am I a registered Republican?

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EXks 7 years, 10 months ago

rationalanimal, (a misnomer if there ever was one!)

You have an IRRATIONAL, bordering on the OBSESSIVE, fear of powerful political women (i.e. Nancy Pelosi) and equal marriage protection for same sex couples.

I bet if you put Nancy Pelosi, Ann Coulter and Elizabeth Dole in the same line up, you could NOT identify, Ms. Peolosi

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by spacystaci8 (anonymous) on November 6, 2006 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I was Republican when I logged on and I still am now. You can argue your points till you are blue in the face, but I still follow God and the Bible and those are the principles I vote for. In the end thats what matters. The bible says killing is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, etc. Say I am backwards or whatever but I want God on my side in the end, thats what really matters. I know most of you won't "get" that but thats where I am coming from."

"Get" what? That you have opinions, and that you vote on them? So do we all. If you're tired of the political BS, what are you even doing on this thread? Whether people's minds change right now or not, open dialog is the only way that change and, thus, progress, happens. Maybe instead of bi@#$ng about how pointless all of this is, you could try actually attempting to have a rational discussion with someone of an opposing viewpoint that you don't fully understand.

Of course, the trend DOES seem to be, at least today, to toss up mobs of strawmen so posters can pretend like they understand the opposing side, like Rationalanimal has been doing, but of course straw men only truly convey the depths of misunderstanding some have unknowingly sunk to.

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KsTwister 7 years, 10 months ago

"The bible says killing is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, etc."

Double Standard when so many are guilty in the Republican Party? Every day another closet Repub or Delay or Hastert,for crying out loud. This is the moral majority? right......in the meantime more of America's finest are losing their lives. At least the Dems would have given them body armor to begin with.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

KSliberal

"If I'm a liberal, then why am I a registered Republican?"

B/c your just flat not a conservative, or a moderate for that matter. All your posts mimic the talking points of the liberal democrats: Republicans bad, need change, vote for me.

ExKs I thought Pelosi was a man, maybe that's why I couldn't identify her in a line up with Ann Coulter or Elizabeth Dole. Good one.

logicsound04

Yo, the economy is hummin, interest rates are low (except in MyName's world where 20% mortgage rates are a good deal), marginal tax rates are at all time lows, GDP is hummin, stock market is at an all time high, private home ownership is at record levels, and terrorist attacks on American soil are way down. All points your party choose to ignore. The only solution your party of socialists can provide is to tax the crude out of the American working taxpayers, provide amnesty to illegal aliens, water down the definition of marriage, give us more big socialist programs to solve all our problems, incessant endless criticism of our troops as murderers, rapists and torturers, and cut and run pacifism. You also fail to defend how the big ticket items are almost exclusively handed to the American taxpayers by the liberal/socialists (e.g. social security and socialized healthcare). So say whatever you want about Republican spending, but when it comes to Democrats and spending, that's one area you guys have perfected.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

don_quixote

Thanks for the clarification about your use of the word "retard".

I bet you've got some really good terminology for describing black people used back in the 1950's.

You've no doubt also got some good ones about women taken from Webb novels.

Keep talking, everyone is increasingly clearer on your bigotry.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

P.S.

I'm sure you and guys like S. Byrd and Jim Webb just hate that Brown v. Board of Education decision.

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ksmoderate 7 years, 10 months ago

Rationalanimal sez: "I reject your reality and insert my own!" (hats off to Mythbusters)

I am a moderate because the left- and right-wings in this country make me sick. Both parties need as many moderates as possible right now to save what's left of our Constitution.

And the great thing is....this just might happen tomorrow! More moderate republicans say they will vote against the hard right in their party, and more moderates are running as democrats simply because the hard right has usurped and twisted the GOP over the last five years.

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

Rational

Woa, woa, woa. Slow down there, guy. You are getting confused.

I'm Don_Burgess - - Not Don_quixote.

Dont turn me into a racist, a sexist, or an FDR supporter for labelling you policitally retarded.

I'm not a bigot. - I'm just a guy who recognizes your frustration and pain. It's OK to be retarded (politically) It just takes some time to heal and cope...

It is alot of work to defend republicans these days, buddie. I mean, just look - you are fighting off at least 10 different people on this blog. - Like an exhausted man waving a fading torch at a pack of surrounding wolves moving in for the kill.

You are tired, Rational. Take the night off. Big day tomorrow. You gotta go vote, remember?

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DaREEKKU 7 years, 10 months ago

How did you all get on the Bible again, and WHY are you all using homosexuals as a scapegoat STILL! The Bible says LOTS of different things, and I'm sure that some of the people posting that nonsense condemning gays to hell are some of the very people who violate NUMEROUS parts of it. You can't just pick out parts that you like and then ignore the rest. Get off the religious rants and show some respect for people of different lifestyles and religions, and observe their RIGHT to live and prosper with the same opportunities as you do. SUBJECT CHANGE PLEASE!!!

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 10 months ago

Donny_Q

"Dont turn me into a racist, a sexist, or an FDR supporter for labelling you policitally retarded."


DQ, I'm not the one turning you into racist, sexist or bigot for that matter. It happens every time you open your yapper or put pen to paper.

To expand your logic, it is ok to use racial or sexist epithets so long as it is cloaked within some political reference. Please, grace us all with an example or two David Duke.

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

"Posted by DaREEKKU (anonymous) on November 6, 2006 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jonas:

Faith is personal and should not be mingled with politics. I don't believe your faith makes you backwards, however your attitude towards political policies are flawed."

Errrrrr. . . . what? I think you have me confused with someone else. I never vote based on religious morals or teachings, being as I personally do not participate in organized religion. I do, however, admit freely to voting based on my opinions.

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

rational -

When did I use use racial or sexist epithets? The only thing I said was that you were politically retarded - which of course you are.

PS - David Duke is a registered republican just like you. He probably shares many of your retarded political views. Do you guys know eachother?

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Staci Dark Simpson 7 years, 10 months ago

Logicsound- God loves everybody, not just me, sorry I wasn't clearer, I just thought everyone learned that at Sunday School before they turned 10.

As for the war in Iraq, I have talked to troops (my nephew and brother) who have returned and said there are good things going on in Iraq. Schools being built, medical care provided, etc, our media just likes to focus on the bad stuff, because guess what sticks in our mind the most? You guessed it, the bad stuff. What will we accomplish if we pull out now? Nothing! All our girls and boys would have died in vain.

You can't blame this all on us "republitards", I believe our World Trade Center was bombed initially in 1993 when the Clinton administration was in effect.

By the way our families quality of life has improved greatly during the Bush administration. Call me selfish, but the increased income and low interest rates are working good for me.

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don_burgess 7 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Ramirez. Nice of you to chime in.

David Duke aint so bad? Nice. Very nice.

Maybe you could eat some pot browines with david duke and massage eachother.

17cents? I wouldve thought "the association" would reward it's finest talent with a higher rate of pay....

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ksmoderate 7 years, 10 months ago

The Bush tax cuts have done nothing for me. But then again I'm not a rich @$$hole!

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DaREEKKU 7 years, 10 months ago

Jonas-my regards I re-read it and realized you interjected your response within a comment you were paraphrasing. My comment stands but not in regards to you. Sorry.

Are we back on track yet to talk politics instead of condeming people to hell??

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Hell and politics are interchangeable.

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 10 months ago

OK Souki:

""No terrorists attacks on US soil in more than 5 yrs. Check."

True, but irrelevant. Does this fact prove that any attacks have been prevented? No."

Many attacks WERE actually prevented, and a partnership internationally has been formed. I would say that it is TOTALLY RELEVANT!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

""Stock market record high. Check."

True. After languishing for years, the DJI has returned to levels it reached during the Clinton presidency. It's not that wonderful to have the stock market at a "record high" if the annual gains have been lackluster or worse."

Your forgot the start of the Recession in 1999, BEFORE Pres. Bush took office. The tech bubble burst ring a bell. THAT was a false economy! Add to that the 9/11 attacks and the economic slowdown. Then Katrina.

OUR ECONOMY is Simply AMAZING!!! That is one thing lefty yahoos do not understand.... economic theory. You prove that over and over with every post.

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"Saddam getting hanged. Check."

Not true. He's been sentenced. He will appeal, of course, and it possible that the sentence will never be carried out given the chaos that would result if it were. I'll bet that if Saddam Hussein is dead by 2016, it'll be from natural causes.

Not quite, if Saddam is not hung there will be even worse riots, IMNSHO. His appeal will be finished before his next genocide trial is finished.

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"Dems have ZERO ideas. Check."

They do have one plan:

"I HATE BUSH".

You need more than hate to lead. It takes intellect, which is why you were left out last time, and John "Ketchup" Kerry illustrated exactly why he was never to be a President or Cammander in Chief.

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 10 months ago

"Osama bin Laden helped orchestrate, finance and inspire the World Trade Center bombings on September 11, 2001. Almost five years later, bin Laden is sitll free, and still inspiring terrorists with his regular videotape releases.

Bush swore to make bin Laden's capture a priority--"Dead or alive," he said."

I know this will not take, but UBL has stated that Iraq IS a part of his Jihad, whether you accept that or not.

You need to watch a movie:

www.obesssionthemovie.com

EVERYONE in the FREE WORLD needs to watch and understand.

It is more likely to occur and is more immediate than "Global Climate Change".

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 10 months ago

Righty, you don't like Kline either? I can't vote for the guy!

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 10 months ago

"We focus on relieving the symptoms... never the cause?"

And UBL is the current "cause"?? Our fighting the yahoos is the current "cause"?

That is why most of the terrorist organizations from Hamas to Hezbullah want the Democrats to win.

That should tell you something right there.

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

How do you know that, Asbestos? Do terrorists run marketing campaigns or make speeches supporting the dems. The only thing I remember is UBL stating that he could make peace with Kerry, which, UBL being who he was, was more likely to make most Americans take a secondary leaning towards Bush. Do you think it possible he could have realized that? Personally, I think that there is a case to be made that terrorists could want Bush and Repubs to continue to run the government. His cause is, to some extent, flourishing since 9/11. Whether they are the original ones or not, there are still quite a few terrorists alive and well, and Iraq could quite possibly have become a rallying cry for the cause of Anti-West Islamic extremism, keeping fresh recruits at hand. Add that to the declining respect from the rest of the world, as a result of the should-have-been obvious truth: that we cannot as a nation fight the terrorist organizations without sacrificing some of the national morals and purity that made us great in the first place (abughraib, indefinite incarceration, secret prisons, etc.), and UBL has some reason to be pleased with how things have turned out. So far, it doesn't seem to be his neck on the line, and he probably laughed all the way back to the cave when he heard that shi'a abusing and murdering Saddam is scheduled to take a short drop and a sudden stop.

So, do you want to let the rest of us know which terrorists you know have publicly pledged support to the Democrats. If not, maybe you should drop it as a talking point.

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jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Man, I was hoping for an actual response to my post! Now he's just going to shoot down your joke post.

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MyName 7 years, 10 months ago

Rational:

interest rates are low (except in MyName's world where 20% mortgage rates are a good deal

Hey moron! Did you even read my 12:26pm post before you shot off that cheap shot at 3:40pm? To quote myself (emphasis added):

"Bush's tax cuts for the rich did next to nothing to help our economy. It was the lower interest rates that brought us out of the slump. "

I know you get all confused, probably forgot to take your gerry pills, but if you're gonna steal my ideas, at least try to not look like a complete idiot while doing so!

Have fun drowning your sorrows on election night. Don't kill too many brain cells, you've got so few functional ones left!

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classclown 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by logicsound04 (anonymous) on November 6, 2006 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And just so you know--only the Saddam-oppressed sunnis are celebrating.

The shiites shot AK-47's in the air and swore revenge...

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You might want to get yourself informed.

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