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Lawrence businesses grapple with how to handle gun law

March 24, 2006

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First, Lawrence businesses went smoke-free. Now they'll have to decide whether to become gun-free.

"It's kind of odd to get the sense that now, if you go into a high-end restaurant, you may be having to check your coat and gun," said Chuck Magerl, owner of Free State Brewing Co., reacting to Thursday's news that the Legislature had overridden Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' veto of a concealed carry handgun law.

Magerl said that before Thursday, he hadn't given any thought to whether he would allow patrons to carry guns into his restaurant at 636 Mass. He said it's a subject that hasn't come up in the regular mailings and newsletters he receives from statewide restaurant trade groups.

"I'm not sure anybody has a real sense of how it's going to impact our day-to-day lives," he said. "Just when we think we're having to deal with normal aspects of being in business, this one gets dumped in our lap as well."

The law bans guns from certain types of establishments, such as schools, day cares, courthouses and bars. But many of the places where people conduct business are fair game, including restaurants and most other businesses.

Jon Amyx, owner of Downtown Barber Shop, 824 Mass., said he had no problem with the law and didn't plan to implement a "no guns" rule for his shop.

"I've got a lot of faith in the screening process," he said. "We have guys that are probably carrying guns in here now that we don't even know. We always joke around with people when we hang their coats up. We say, 'You have your gun in your coat?'"

Jim Lewis, owner of Checkers, 2300 La., said he needed to research the law first, but he predicted he would prohibit customers bringing guns into the store, much as he now prohibits customers carrying backpacks.

"We're probably going to have to post signs that say 'No handguns allowed,'" he said, citing a concern about the possibility of a gun-related crime in the store.

When Oklahoma passed a similar law in the 1990s, some people there feared a return to the Wild West era, said Lt. Michael Metcalf of the Stillwater Police Department.

"There was a bunch of this, 'We're going to have people going back to the John Wayne, OK Corral days,'" Metcalf said. "None of that has happened."

Metcalf said his department has not had any cases where someone carrying a legally concealed weapon had used it to wrongly shoot another person. Nor has the department seen an instance in which a concealed weapon holder foiled a mugging or committed some similar heroic deed.

"The ones that we've had that pull the guns out and shoot people are the ones that ain't supposed to have them anyway," he said. "We haven't had any issues with it at all, really. The biggest thing is that if we stop somebody that has a permit, the officer just has to tell the guy, 'Keep your hands away from your waist.'"

In Oklahoma, the average age of a permit recipient in 2004 was 55, according to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. Of the people who applied for permits, 80 percent were men.

Joe Arterburn, a spokesman for Cabela's, said he didn't anticipate any rush on handguns at the company's Kansas City, Kan., store but that "it certainly could spur some more interest in that line of merchandise."

Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Office, said the office would review the bill and work with Atty. Gen. Phill Kline's office to determine how it may affect the department. The law calls for county sheriffs to handle permit applications.

Lawrence Police did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Comments

bearded_gnome 8 years, 1 month ago

however, if a blind man is packing, he can't read that sign, so is ignorant of the restriction. there ya' go!

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derald 8 years, 1 month ago

ARTFRAMES is the first I know to have a framed print reading "NO GUNS ALLOWED" on the front of their store. The framed signs are for sale.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 1 month ago

There is a clause in the bill that prohibits cities & counties from restricting the rights of permit holders. Lawrence can do diddly poop about this. Page 11 of the pdf, look it up.

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75x55 8 years, 1 month ago

"Don't you imagine the next city move will be to have a no concealed weapons in the city limits?

Signs at every entrance to town?"

They could call it the "Red Line", and they'd be accurate for a number of reasons.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

Ah, come on, can't I have any fun being grammar police?

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KansasKel 8 years, 1 month ago

I think crazyks meant that he had assumed that anybody could have a gun on them for years, not that he had carried a hidden gun for years...

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

"and I've done that for years."

Unless you get a permit, you'll still be illegal.

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Linda Endicott 8 years, 1 month ago

You know, I already assumed that anybody could have a gun hidden on them, and I've done that for years. So have the police. You're a fool if you weren't already doing that. So how is this law going to change anything?

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aquakej 8 years, 1 month ago

You can tell people to do whatever you want; it doesn't mean they're going to do it. Bad guys are going to carry their guns no matter how many signs tell them not to. Why do we even bother with all this crap? It's not going to change a thing.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 1 month ago

Right you are, bozo. That's on page 11 of the pdf.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

I think the new state law prohibits cities from such prohibitions.

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Multidisciplinary 8 years, 1 month ago

Don't you imagine the next city move will be to have a no concealed weapons in the city limits?

Signs at every entrance to town?

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Reality_Check 8 years, 1 month ago

truthlawrence: you can count on him to always represent the extremist wackjobs.

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truthlawrence 8 years, 1 month ago

as paul davis said lock and load,,THATS PERFECT,,dont worry chuck rundle and boog will protect you

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