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Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

I would prefer neither, as you don't know the educational level of the writer.

Moreover, the definition you provided is one that serves your purpose. Go find some others. They don't all support your definition of life. And, to my way of thought, lots of definitions are opinions.

March 26, 2015 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Believe it or not, Scott, I, too, feel pain at those things. I'm not inhuman, as you seem to think, but my humanity is channelled into a different direction. Will we ever agree about a woman's right to choose? Probably not. Will I accuse you and your side of inhumanity because of your beliefs? Never.

What bums me out is that I have had "up close and personal" contact with women who have had to make the choice and it is incomprehensible to me that anyone whose attitude toward abortion is based on religious tenets or on the fact that they simply can not comprehend the agony women must endure in making that decision.

My heart goes out to all who are in the position of having to make the decision. I also feel that there needs to be No more attempting to heighten the guilt those women must cope with. I've never been a fan of the "shame them into submission" school and much of the "pro life" activity is simply that. Dignity is not, apparently, an issue and that is as wrong as can be.

We will not come to terms over this, I guess. But, in the name of all that's holy to you, I wish that you would at least grant the women the dignity to make their choices. That's humanity, in my opinion, and taking that away helps nobody.

March 26, 2015 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Pot, kettle.

Now, David and Kevin, what is demeaning about calling a comment "full of misconceptions, bad analogies, hyperbole and just plain nonsense"? Seems like opinion based on the respondents understanding of the issue. Maybe he's wrong, maybe not, but demeaning? Hardly.

March 26, 2015 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

You know, Kevin, that calling someone uneducated puts quite a burden on you to prove. Your definition, wherever it came from, is one of many, some calling personhood earlier, some later, some only after birth.

Your comments, in the main, reflect a person with strongly held opinions, and that is your right. However, calling someone uneducated is probably, in the main, a statement of opinion. That your opinion differs from another's does not reflect that person's education any me than me calling you uneducated because you hold that opinion. I would suggest, Kevin, that you are unschooled in the science of debate, because a real debate centers on ideas that have nothing to do with schooling. That does not make you uneducated, just a bit short in the knowledge area of debate.

Just my opinions.

March 26, 2015 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Scott, some "pro-abortion advocates" may want to allow any abortion at any time. I do not. I do not see the righteousness of an abortion for the sake of choosing gender, for the inconvenience of the family, for family size, or any inconvenience factor. I do uphold the mother's right to choose whether she carries to term, under any circumstance. It is anathema to me to have unprotected sex with a man knowing one might become pregnant, but it is also repugnant top me that many women are left to fend for themselves as their "partner" exits the picture.

As for enlightening you to my position, you don't need to know. To me the viable, already living and breathing woman trumps anyone's attempts to define when a fetus is a person. I will never try to make that decision for anyone, male or female. 40 million abortions seems to me to be a crying shame, but those +/- 40 million women who had to make that decision went through a decision tougher, I would imagine, than other people can fathom. And it seems to me to be quite the height of arrogance for anyone to think they can make a woman's decision for her.

By the way, if you're really going for shock value, you might want to know that the CDC, Gutemacher, and various other sources put the totals over 50 million. Horrible, sad, but it doesn't change my position.

March 26, 2015 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Well, Kevin, I am apparently unable to think. To which comment were you referring?

March 26, 2015 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Cuts in financial aid for public institution students may be deeper than expected

Average income of private school students' families must be quite a bit higher than public school's. That would explain why this happened: higher dollar families can contribute more than lower dollar families, and the Republicans know which their bread's buttered on.

March 26, 2015 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Ok, Leslie, you told me I could not use swear words when answering you, so I will mirror Fred's comments and add that your attitude, while you seem serene in your "beliefs", is the whole reason that some women will die and the number of infant deaths will rise and the number of uncared for, unwanted and under loved children will rise in our state. Your Christian upbringing has not and will not never go far enough toward taking care of the malformed, unwanted, lonely children borne by young women who have not gotten a sexual education from their Christian schools or their Christian parents because some stupid legislature said it was OK not to make children learn where they came from.

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't want someone else to get one, first ask yourself, "Have I, personally, done all I can to alleviate this woman's having to make this decision?" Until you can say that you, and the state, have done all you can to prevent this decision from having to be made, shut up and be of help to the person who is already viable.

March 26, 2015 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Kansas set for 1st ban on a 2nd trimester abortion procedure

Why? Because he is as passionate about this issue as the legislature is ignorant?

March 26, 2015 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Editorial: Power balance

And that's a whole lot milder language than I would have used.

This bill could be a watershed moment in Brownkoch tenure. Either reason reigns or the Kansas Constitution goes down in flames.

Of course, that is not a wholly unwanted outcome for Brownkoch's handlers. Absent a working constitution, the Koch State could become a reality.

Try that on for size, Kansas voters.

March 26, 2015 at 7:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )