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Should Kansas’s concealed carry law be extended to knives?

Response Percent Votes
No
 
 66% 380
Yes
 
 33% 188
Total 568

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  1. RoeDapple (anonymous) says…

    Will similiar qualification procedures be required?

  2. labmonkey (anonymous) says…

    You have to have a CC permit to carry a derringer. Will you now have to have one to carry a pocket knife? I will have to say not only no, but hell no to this question until I see more information.

    1. BABBOY (anonymous) replies…

      I do not think they were talking about pocket knifes or derringers.

  3. catfishturkeyhunter (anonymous) says…

    I carry a knife all the time, specially when I am fishing or hunting. Last I knew it was Man Law that every man should have some sort of knife on his person at all times.

    1. BABBOY (anonymous) replies…

      No.

      You are confused with red neck law.

      Big difference.

      1. CLARKKENT (anonymous) replies…

        what ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. DillonBarnes (anonymous) replies…

      I don't want to encourage gender stereotypes, but I will admit I may pass judgement on someone depending on if they are carrying a pocket-knife.

      Bonus points if they've got a flashlight on them as well.

      1. Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…

        I carry assisted Kershaw and SOG pocketknives and a sunlite red eagle. I'd carry a tektite, but they are a little large for my pocket. The Tektite is 750 lumens, which is as bright as the second coming of chrrist.

    3. ljwhirled (anonymous) replies…

      A man knife is not a weapon. It is a:

      Screwdriver
      Ear-itcher
      Bottle opener
      Paper cutter
      Fruit peeler
      Fingernail cleaner
      Box opener
      Wire cutter
      Lock picker

      And much, much more.

    4. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

      Every man, well almost every man has a, a, well, a slender, sharply pointed sword, ideally used for thrusting attacks, used mainly in Early Modern Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries.

      It's, it's, uh, a certain kind of a, a, well, a weapon, sort of.

  4. Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) says…

    It's a long law, but here's the pertinent language: "except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;"
    ============
    21-4201
    Chapter 21.--crimes and punishments
    part ii.--prohibited conduct
    Article 42.--crimes against the public safety

    21-4201. Criminal use of weapons. (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly:
    (1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement;
    (2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;
    =====
    Schools get to deal with this issue, and sometimes the knife definitions come up.

    1. Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…

      "commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife"

      My assisted knives have no button on the handle, but instead on the blade so that when they are about 1/10th open a spring opens them all the way. Nice loophole.

  5. RoeDapple (anonymous) says…

    Thanks Paul. I was just going to look it up myself.

    1. Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) replies…

      Always a pleasure to serve your needs, Roe. Sometimes the facts are of use on the Internet, but rarely.

    2. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

      FACTS? We don't need no stinkin facts! Monckton vs Greenpeace:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGluG...

  6. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…

    If I have a pocket, I'm going to be toting a pocket knife. The current favorite is a Spyderco Delica.

    1. rockchalker52 (anonymous) replies…

      I bet you can cut a lot of cheese with that baby!

      http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.v...

    2. DillonBarnes (anonymous) replies…

      I have always wanted one of those, but I'm quite happy now with my Benchmade 551 Griptillion.

    3. ljwhirled (anonymous) replies…

      Beretta Airlight II - Silver 3 3/4" with 30% serrated blade.

      Thing will cut a single sheet of paper top to bottom under it's own weight, then cut a 2" branch off of a tree.

      Never go anywhere (except an airplane) without it.

  7. profound (anonymous) says…

    What about box cutters. Some of those are pretty wicked and come with a belt holster.

  8. 50YearResident (anonymous) says…

    A very stupid question without an explanation of how it would apply to knives. As stated all we can do is speculate as to how this would apply.

  9. CWGOKU (anonymous) says…

    What about swords?

  10. Antonym (anonymous) says…

    When I was kid I remember my dad saying the government should outlaw pocketknives so that no one could hurt themself. Hotdogs too cause someone could choke. Never thought anyone would be stupid enough to actually do it.

  11. verity (anonymous) says…

    Since I am my father's daughter, I learned to always carry a pocket knife with me. However, since it takes another knife or a fingernail file to open my current Swiss Army knife, it's of more danger to myself than anyone else.

    1. pace (anonymous) replies…

      A tool that promises too much and ends up delivering too little. Simple two blade works well.

      1. verity (anonymous) replies…

        But it's so cool---kind of like Apple products.

  12. rockchalker52 (anonymous) says…

    Hey, helpful gents, serious question because I don't know: Can a person legally walk in public wearing a non-concealed handgun in a holster ? Just wondering, I'm leavin' y'all alone either way. Thanks in advance.

    1. verity (anonymous) replies…

      I was wondering the same thing. I think guns should not be concealed---
      I'd rather know who is carrying so I can stay far away from the fools.

    2. rockchalker52 (anonymous) replies…

      Oh dear, now it's s'posed to be legit question with no sides taken. Besides, the unarmed side is always tenuous at best.
      :-o]

      1. verity (anonymous) replies…

        Not sure what you mean, 52, but I prefer to know who is packing. I know I will be scolded for being a pinko commie liberal wacky extreme leftist (insert other appropriate names), but I have as much of an aversion to guns as some people love them (could be because, at the age of nine, I was forced to kill a bunch of innocent and unarmed tin cans).

        1. DillonBarnes (anonymous) replies…

          Those cans had it coming!

          By the way, a bit of a note, People are constantly surprised to find out that I'm a "gun guy." Remember, it's always the loudest in a group that give the group their image. In reality, there is a quiet majority of gun owners (and concealed carriers) who are normal sane people.

    3. 50YearResident (anonymous) replies…

      It is legal in Kansas to publicly carry a holstered handgun without a Concealed Permit. You still have to obey the "No Guns"' posted signs. You can also plan on getting hasseled by the local law enforcement people though.

    4. DillonBarnes (anonymous) replies…

      Open carry is legal in Kansas, and I've done it a few times myself, be prepared for a lot of looks. Though I don't think I would ever do it, last time I looked, the "no guns" signs only pertained to concealed carry, not actually open carry. So (not a lawyer, just how I read it), you could legally carry into an establishment with a no guns signs (not counting state and federal property). What would likely happen is an employee or owner would show you the sign and ask you to leave, if you didn't then you would trespassing.

      Some municipalities have chosen to regulate open carry in some way. In Lawrence, you cannot unreasonably stop within 200ft of a bar. So you could walk down mass street, but shouldn't stop to hang out outside a bar.

      1. rtwngr (anonymous) replies…

        Watch out in Topeka. They have some strict open carry laws over there.

    5. thuja (anonymous) replies…

      Now I have to ask, why would anyone need to do that?

      To show the world how scared and insecure you really are?

      Most people like to hide that kind of thing.

      This is my main ? with carrying guns.

      1. Peacemaker452 (anonymous) replies…

        My thoughts on your question:
        Self-preservation/protection is one of the most basic natural instincts and a basic human right.
        I personally extend this to include protecting those that I care about.
        The police have no duty to protect an individual and generally end up being “uniformed historians”, writing down the story about how an individual was harmed while waiting for 911 to send help.
        I prefer to use the best tools available to perform any job.
        Firearms, in the hands of someone who knows how to use them properly, are arguably the best tool available to me in order to protect myself and my family.
        I have training in the use of firearms and I practice frequently to maintain my skills.

        Please do not project your “scared and insecure” feelings on those of us who make responsible decisions to arm ourselves.

    6. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

      thuja - Out in western Kansas we have a saying, "Little man, big gun."

      And dammit, my younger brother was speeding in Aurora, Colorado with me and another guy in the pickup, which was all full of empty beer cans.

      So, he got pulled over, and one of the questions the officer asked was, "Are there any weapons in the car?"

      "Yes," was the answer from the other passenger, who is not a tall man at all.

      The officer's next question was, "What is it?"

      "A 358 Magnum."

      One more question from the officer: "Is it loaded?"

      "Yes."

      We were all informed that it is illegal to travel in a vehicle in Aurora, Colorado with a loaded weapon in the car, and so the 358 Magnum was very gingerly confiscated, and backup was called. When the backup officer arrived, it was a very attractive but nervous woman police officer.

      The three of us were all there with our hands on the pickup while the first officer dug through all the empty beer cans looking for more weapons, and we all were carefully frisked.

      Except for one thing. That lady officer still owes me a squeeze.

      1. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

        I think I made a mistake. It was a 357 Magnum.

        1. KSWingman (anonymous) replies…

          .357, .358... whatever it takes.

          I carry a .45 because Colt doesn't make a .46!

    7. KSWingman (anonymous) replies…

      Rockchalker, the answer is "yes, mostly".

      Open carry is not prohibited under Kansas state law. Some cities have ordinances prohibiting open carry (Wichita comes to mind), but concealed-carry license holders are exempt from those ordinances per state law. Topeka repealed its ordinance prohibiting open carry a couple of years ago.

  13. beatnik (anonymous) says…

    so my kershaw with a opening mechinism would be outlawed? great for those of us who are old and have arthritis

    1. Keith (anonymous) replies…

      I think operator assisted knives are good, as long as the button is on the blade and you have to exert some effort no matter how minimal. They'll get my spring assisted Gerber when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

      1. timetospeakup (anonymous) replies…

        Correct - assisted openers under 4 inches that look like "ordinary pocket knives" are already legal. The proposed bill just removes some confusing language about "not-ordinary" knives.

        Specifically there is some weirdness in the law related to fixed blade knives. I can clearly, legally carry a 4" assisted opener but it's not clear that a 1" fixed blade concealed in my pocket is legal.

  14. rduhrich (anonymous) says…

    Don'bring a knife to a gunfight.

  15. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…

    Cut 'em if they stand & shoot 'em if they run.

  16. blindrabbit (anonymous) says…

    No, not for knives; but allow nunchucks, garrots, blackjacks, throwing stars, crossbows and blowguns.

  17. tange (anonymous) says…

    ... and attack vermin.

  18. autie (anonymous) says…

    knives and guns? Lets get some hand grenades and maybe a sixty mortar.

  19. DillonBarnes (anonymous) says…

    What is the base for this poll? Is there a story I'm missing?

    I'm aware of HB 2584 that Chad referenced in another article that would decriminalize certain knives and it appears take away the 4in restriction on a pocket knife, but I don't remember seeing anything about putting them under the Personal and Family Protection Act.

    What I would imagine the idea is, is basically changing the bill from a CCH (Concealed Carry Handgun) to a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) and allow licensed persons to carry larger self-defense knives like daggers, etc. I can't imagine anything going through that would tighten knife laws. IIRC if 2584 passes, you wouldn't need a license to carry a concealed knife of any size.

  20. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…

    Morning stars and glaves!

    1. thuja (anonymous) replies…

      Water balloons!

      1. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

        Water balloons become a mighty weapon after being stored in the freezer.

  21. bartstop (anonymous) says…

    Faux News has the righties so scared they have to carry knives and guns. Some big black welfare recipient might mug and sodomize them. The world is such a scary place.

    1. DillonBarnes (anonymous) replies…

      I hate Fox News, they are constantly use fear mongering tactics to scare viewers into their beliefs. The fact that Fox believes they are the equivalent (in bias) to MSNBC is laughable.

      That being said, I LOVE my knives and LOVE my guns.

      Don't push me into your stereotypes.

    2. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies…

      How interesting that you are willing to share your fantasy life with us, bart.

    3. gl0ck0wn3r (anonymous) replies…

      Sodomy is illegal in Kansas.

    4. ljwhirled (anonymous) replies…

      Butt it's so much fun.

  22. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) says…

    Do I have to get a permit to buy a fingernail clipper?

  23. tomatogrower (anonymous) says…

    Depends on what kind of knife. If you are talking about a pocket knife with all the helpful extra attachments, no. If you are talking about switchblades or those knifes that pop out at the touch of a button, what is the point of those other than to do bodily harm?

    1. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies…

      If you only have one arm, a switchblade can be very useful for normal tasks. Some states have laws that make switchblades legal (usually with blade length restrictions) for folks with only one arm.

    2. Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…

      "If you are talking about switchblades or those knifes that pop out at the touch of a button"

      Oh, lets see. You are fishing, drop anchor and somehow the rope wraps around your wrist. How do you open your knife to cut the rope?

  24. RoeDapple (anonymous) says…

    My go to knife is a Cold Steel Master Hunter in a custom made "Lefty" leather holster. Of the thirty or so knives in my collection I have used this one more than all the others. Although it is primarily a hunting knife it has been used as a camp knife and even served as a kitchen utensil. The rubberized grip remains easy to control, even when my hands and arms are covered in blood while field dressing the dozen or so deer I have used it on. This knife was sharpened to a razor edge when purchased new and remains sharp with only minor stoning to this day.

    http://media.midwayusa.com/productima...

    1. timetospeakup (anonymous) replies…

      Too bad that's generally thought to be illegal to conceal under current Kansas law - looks like a nice knife!

  25. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) says…

    I had a serious discussion with a woman friend a few days ago. A few weeks ago her home was broken into and she does not feel safe anymore. So, she was considering purchasing a firearm. She discussed it with the man at the gun shop, and also with an ex-Marine who had served in Vietnam.

    The man at the gun shop had quite a different view than the ex-Marine. For the man at the gun shop it seemed to be an abstract concept, but for the ex-Marine it is a reality that he deals with every day because he never feels safe at home, especially at night. That is a problem that many former members of the military have to deal with every day.

    Of course, the man at the gun shop advised her to buy a gun, and he could teach her how to use it.

    The ex-Marine told her that the man at the gun shop was full of it. Sure, he has guns, but he never intends to use them against intruders, because a mistake might be made, there won't be time, they won't be handy, and they require some space to be used effectively.

    Instead, he keeps knives hidden in various locations throughout his home, and he knows exactly where every one of them is at all times.

    So, if an intruder grabs one hand, he can reach over with the other, and with a double bladed knife, stick it in and cut back and forth. And, he told her that if she ever does that, she will sure have a mess to clean up later.

  26. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…

    A firearm is a ranged weapon. A knife is only good within my reach (unless I get crazy and throw it). That's a major difference.

    1. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

      Trust me, you don't want to tick that lady off. She was once accosted by a man with a gun pointed at her, and there was no one around.

      She kicked the gun out of his hand, and started running.

      Plus, she has stealth capabilities, but that's a whole other subject.

      1. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies…

        I wouldn't advise non-ninjas to try that kicking guns out of hands business, not in real life anyhoo.

        1. RonHolzwarth (Ron Holzwarth) replies…

          She did no desire to be raped that night. That's why she did it.

  27. gogoplata (anonymous) says…

    Free people shouldn't need a permit to carry a weapon for self defense.

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