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The Kaw Valley Older Women’s League is circulating a petition to add physician assisted death as an option in Kansas. Do you support physician assisted death?

Response Percent Votes
69% 668
24% 232
Not sure
6% 65
Total 965


Abdu Omar 5 years, 11 months ago

A good doctor comes to your peaceful home, and asks you how you want to die. You are suffering from a cancerous disease and there is no hope; you will die. So he administers the drug, you feel nothing and quietly pass away. The phone rings just minutes after the doctor pronounces you dead with the news: New Cure for Cancer!

Your cancer could have been cured, but now it is too late.

There is no reason for doctor assisted death even if the patient is suffering. Maybe this suffering is the substitute for perdition.

Nathan Anderson 5 years, 11 months ago

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Armstrong 5 years, 11 months ago

The human debris is awake and posting this morning I see

iseedumbpeople 5 years, 11 months ago

That is exactly how medicine works! There is no testing, no FDA approval, no manufacturing of the drug, no months of research showing that there is about to be a new cure for cancer. Its just a phone call and total shock that the cure was JUST discovered.

Avery Pearson 5 years, 11 months ago

Ah yes, because that always happens. Hell, we need these deaths so that they can cure the cancer. Think of all the lives that will be saved because one person missed a phone call...

Liberty275 5 years, 11 months ago

And it's nobody's business except the patient and the doctor if a person doesn't want to live. Magical cures or not.

gatekeeper 5 years, 11 months ago

How about this scenario which is actually real. My sister died of cancer. After fighting for 10 months (she was diagnosed as stage 4 when the cancer was first found), it was in her bones, most organs, her brain. She was in so much pain. There would be no cure for cancer that has ravaged the entire body like it did to her. She spent her last four days in so much pain she couldn't lay down, she couldn't sleep, she couldn't eat. All she could do is rock herself while sitting upright, moan and cry (horrific sobbing). There was no humane reason for her to have to suffer as she did in those last two months. Anyone with a heart would say that she should have been able to decide it was time, save herself from the pain and torture she went through and determine the "right" time to go. She could have passed before the pain got so bad she couldn't speak. Everyone could have been with her in the end (she was so miserable she wanted no one our mom with her those last days).

My father passed from congestive heart failure and Alzheimer's last fall. He never got to the point that he didn't know who we were, just couldn't remember what was happening from time to time. The last couple months of his life, he kept saying he was ready and wanted to go with dignity. Because we aren't allowed to die with dignity, he suffered on and died while my mom and I held him as he had seizures because his body was finally shutting down.

Crawl back in your hole and try to not say stupid things. Many of us have witnessed why we should be able to determine when it's time to go (if we're critically ill). Time for me to wipe my tears and get back to work.

Richard Crank 5 years, 11 months ago

If someone who dies is a Christian or of (I think) other faith, it doesn't matter any longer what happens in this "earthly realm." If someone who dies has no faith, it also doesn't matter.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

Stop spending trillions on wars and the military industrial complex then move that spending to cures for cancer and subsidizing higher education and Vocational Technical Training.

Dying in a slow quite painful fashion seems not fair. Treatment is soooooo expensive.

If not cancer but not able to care for oneself any longer also would be painful.... what's the point?

Corey Williams 5 years, 11 months ago

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Richard Payton 5 years, 11 months ago

Now, if it's done by a pill or shot "yes" but if that physician is carrying a chainsaw "no".

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't want to die slowly, in great pain, with my family caught in years of agony and financial disaster. . Doesn't mean put a pillow over my face if I have a headache. but I want to choose. Unless I am missing something, we all will go at some point. If there is a call right after I go, good for them. I want to see cancer beaten. I don't think we will see death beaten. But who knows, I do believe in magic.

kernal 5 years, 11 months ago

One phrase: Living Wills.

wounded_soldier, it's highly unlikely the scenario you painted would occur because whenever cancer researchers thing they're on the brink of discovery for a "cure", it's no secret from the medical community. And, if they do think they've found it, the FDA will require time consuming and lengthy documentation before the "cure" can be administered to patients, except for the few who get to be part of the trials.

gatekeeper 5 years, 11 months ago

You are just a kind person, aren't you? If someone does this, then their family suffers because you don't get life insurance money if you kill yourself. It also would be so nice for family to find their loved one after they've blown their brains out.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

Some people don't have life insurance, and some life insurance pays even if it is suicide. Some people don't have family, But I agree with you about having consideration for the people, family, friend or medical personnel who have to clean the mess. I am for physician assisted suicide because, like death, lingering pain doesn't always call ahead and give you fair warning. You could be sitting on the porch and wake up with no choices. I worry about not just my death but how I live effects those in my community.

booyalab 5 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, how selfish can someone be...leaving a mess for the family to clean up and no money!

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

A valid view point, except a 22 hasn't the pop I would want, I would choose a 45. Guns and ammo are sometimes surprising hard to get and takes some practice to use correctily. I don't want to choose that someone else must choose a 45 or that a Doctor should be prohibited from helping ease the passing.

labmonkey 5 years, 11 months ago

Funny thing. I have Metallica's Just a Bullet Away on youtube in another window...

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

lol, Now Obama is responsible for death from cancer because the health care act will support great access to care. Repeating lies is the only game the republicans are bringing to the health care table.

Mel Wedermyer 5 years, 11 months ago

GOP propaganda, when will they tell the truth instead of lies.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

having sat with my mom at a hospice and watching morphine ease her incredible pain for those moments where she could talk to her sister or one of her kids, and not just lay there crying cause of pain. God bless hospice and morphine, Cancer is one nasty shadow on the sweet cheeks of good ones. But no, claiming easing pain in a hospice is assisted suicide is a lie. My Dad slipped away for years, his death wore a different coat every season. I wish they were both still here but I wouldn't wish a long painful death on them to sooth my longing for them.

DillonBarnes 5 years, 11 months ago

In fairness, I don't think that's what he's saying. Morphine is an incredible drug for easing people's pain. However, using morphine to painlessly end someone's life is fairly common. It usually only occurs when a person's death is imminent anyway. The morphine drip will be slowly increased throughout the night, it slows down the brain until it just shuts off.

LadyJ 5 years, 11 months ago

Yet there are many studies that show married men live longer than single men, about 10 yrs.

labmonkey 5 years, 11 months ago

Exactly... let them die happy ten years earlier or drag on the suffering for ten more years.

Armored_One 5 years, 11 months ago

It's not actually longer...

It just feels that way. LOL

verity 5 years, 11 months ago

While I would like to have the choice to end my life if I have an incurable disease and no possibility of anything besides pain, I don't think a doctor should or need be involved.

If a cure for cancer suddenly became available (not likely), it would hardly cure a person whose body was so damaged that they were close to death.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

I would leave the Doctor to decide. If he thought it was right, it would be his right, not my opinion of his/her. I don't want to decide life choices for others that are of no effect on my life.

verity 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't know where you got that I was advocating making decisions for others. I only want to make that decision for myself---and believe that everybody should have the right to make that decision for themselves. After watching several people die from cancer---those last few days or hours are not quality life.

I would discuss my prognosis with a doctor, but I definitely don't think s/he should be making that decision.

To make it clear, I don't think the suicides should be doctor assisted. That's not their job.

If, in order to stop the pain, they administer enough morphine that the patient dies, that is an entirely different matter.

Katara 5 years, 11 months ago

Either let the physician assist by administering it or allow the physician to give me instructions on how to administer it myself. While I have no problem of doing what I need to do should the time come, I feel it cruel to leave my family with the mess to clean up.

akuna 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes please. I like to make my own important choices and not have the government dictate them. Sick or not sick, as long as you are competent and in your right mind, physician assisted death would be a great option. I don't need or want a nanny state.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

+1 As we used to say: "It's my body." Still being debated in the halls of power, but we'll get through this. I believe Oregon has had pretty good luck with their law.

Christine Anderson 5 years, 11 months ago

Okay, who's the idiot who said that a patient's suffering could be a substitute for perdition? I saw hundreds of people die, of different causes, over the time I was an R.N. Too many of the deaths I witnessed were horrible. Hospice care is NOT assisted suicide, although there may be times when in order to control pain, a high enough dose of morphine may have to be given which causes breathing to stop. In that case, is it assisted suicide-no! It is a side effect of effective pain management. If it makes wounded soldier feel any better, there were also deaths where the person was literally screaming until their last breath, where no dose of morphine gave relief.

unclebiff 5 years, 11 months ago

i would like it if my physician could give me a hot pocket, doesn't mean he will.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

Advanced directives aren't worth the paper they're written on. No matter what a person's "last wishes" are on an advanced directive, they are not legally binding and DPOAs can (and frequently do) over ride any and all provisions in an advanced directive, swayed by the emotion of family members and, sometimes, even by a medical community that refuses to give up. Even so, advanced directives are better than nothing at all and you just might run into a doctor willing to honor it or have a DPOA that loves you enough to look past their own emotions and actually honor it. As for physician assisted suicide, get real. You live in Kansas, fer gawds sake.

Brock Masters 5 years, 11 months ago

Suicide is illegal and should remain that way. In fact, the penalties should be made more severe - attempted suicide should be a capital offense punishable by death.

Seriously, the government has no right to decide if a person wants to choose death.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

In fairness, I do interpret OneEW remark as meaning just that.. People are entitled to their view point and people are entitled to disagree. I too understand there is a trade off of length of life and the heavy use of morphine to address pain.

curmudgeon 5 years, 11 months ago

Isn't it the patient's body? I think it should be the patient's choice as long as they are of sound mind. If one has never been terminally ill, one will never understand what it's like to be told there is no hope. I would not want someone to tell me that I have no right to choose to die if I'm very sick and in pain with no hope of getting better. It should be my decision whether I want to continue to live and fight my illness and suffer through a few more weeks or months or end it sooner.

People say they want less government yet they want the government to rule over our bodies by making the sick continue to live when they don't want to and wanting to pass laws that would cause women to have children even if said pregnancy would kill her.

bornon7 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree with you. People that are making flippant comments have no idea....I hope they never have to....

somedude20 5 years, 11 months ago

"I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick."

somedude20 5 years, 11 months ago

I find it rather funny that the Govt. will not let you end your life with or without that aid of a doc but they will end your life for you if you meet certain criteria

"The phone rings just minutes after the doctor pronounces you dead with the news: New Cure for Cancer"

The patient requested the death it was their duty to study up on all the options and then decied. You want to talk about a crying shame, let me fix your messed up view:

The phone rings just minutes after the state pronounces John Doe dead from exection and says, John Doe was innocent, we killed the wrong dude.

Eat mor chikin

somedude20 5 years, 11 months ago

stop making a fool of yourself....if you were smart, you would ask mr. parker to remove your post. guess i will see it again tomorrow.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

Of course you should be able to manage your own end-time.

Georgine McHenry 5 years, 11 months ago

This is just morally wrong in my opinion. I would not back such a petition.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

Then don't sign the petition. I hope you don't mean you hope you can force your personal views of what is moral on everyone else.

booyalab 5 years, 11 months ago

Funerals are for the living. In the same way, suicide hurts the living the most. I would never condone it.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

Ah but is this truly "suicide" booyah? (See my post below.) Some years ago I took a course on death education (thanatology) at KCKCC. Let me tell you some things about suicide that I learned and you tell me if this fits the criteria. 1. Most people that commit suicide don't really intend to go through with it. They do it to either manipulate the people in their lives or as a cry for help. They are vocal about their suicidal ideation and, in a way, almost desperately want someone to stop them. (This doesn't mean that if someone expresses suicidal ideation that it's safe to ignore them. IT'S NOT!) 2. Those people who do commit suicide and mean it usually are very quiet about it. They either tell no one or very few people their intentions and they choose a sure fire method that gets the job done (i.e a gun, hanging, etc.) These people are clinically depressed. They suffer from a profound psychiatric disorder and they suffer a lot. They see suicide as the only relief from their suffering. The ONLY comparison that can be made to those people suffering from terminal illness is #2. And even then there are still huge differences. Physician assisted suicide has been legal in Oregon since 1998. Since then a number of studies have been done on those people who chose that option. In those studies, the #1 reason that people chose it was "suffering/fear of suffering". If a family member can honestly not look past their own selfishness at the suffering a dying person is going through and understand why they would want to end that suffering then they deserve that "hurt". No one is on this planet to satisfy your, or anyone else's, emotional needs at the expense of their own suffering. That's just cruel.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

My mother had end stage renal disease. Eventually, it affected her heart to the point where doctors gave her six months at most. For an entire year prior to that she had averaged a hospitalization every two weeks. After she was informed that her heart was too damaged to offer any hope and that she would never survive any corrective surgery, she elected to take herself off of dialysis and die at home with hospice. Although it wasn't active suicide, it was refusal of treatment and passive suicide. My aunt (by marriage, not my mother's sister) was a fundy Christian and she wrote my mother a three page letter full of invective about how she felt my mother was killing herself and how she would burn in hell for flying in the face of "God's will". I was shocked and horrified when I read it. My mother, bless her soul, took it in a very serene manner. She told me that she didn't believe what my aunt said in the least and that I needed to understand that was "just the way she (my aunt) was" and I needed to forgive her and forget it, just as she did. Then my mother threw the letter in the trash. I've found that most people facing the end of their life. when they reach that stage of "acceptance", develop an incredible strength of will and a peace that borders on awe inspiring. Standing in their way is a travesty.

tomatogrower 5 years, 11 months ago

Isn't it funny that how supposedly religious people talk about God's will? God obviously was ready for her to die, since he gave her the disease. I hope she went quietly with her family around her. Sorry for your loss.
My mother has been dead for several years now from congestive heart failure. I think she just held on for us, but it was such a struggle. We finally told her that if she was tired, she should go and be with her mother and our dad. She died peacefully with my sister holding her hand. My sister said it was almost a comforting way to say goodbye. People, if you are a Christian, why do you fear death so much? It would seem that you would be happy to reach your reward of heaven. I've always found this confusing about some Christians.

bendover61 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't support it, KILL YOURSELF. People are always wanting others to do things for them.

ladybug18 5 years, 11 months ago

It is either that life is important or it isnt. If we vote this legislation into law then we are saying that life has no worth anymore. I mean how can you say for sure some one is going to die? We all are dying, day by day we get closer to the end of our life sorry to be cynical but its the truth. Just because someone has an illness that brings them to their death bed faster than others does not mean that they should be killed off. Every life is important and honestly if I was dying and someone said well your dying and you only have 6 months left if that so I can give you this pill so you can dye now I would be thinking how increadibly unsensitive and extreemly rude. Why are we not encouraging people to go out and live, we should be telling people who can to live with all they have left and those who cant we should be there every single chance we get to be with them and show our love for them not handing them a loaded gun and saying have at it. I mean thats the exact same thing, gun, pill, there really is no differance. And who says that when patience takes these pills that they arent painful, that they are peacful. Everyone who has ever taken it is dead now so they cant tell us what it feels like. I would say that death is peacful but murder is violent no matter how you do it, im sorry but physicians who give pills to dying people so they will die are creating murder and it doesnt matter how you look at it. How is a depressed person who is dying any different than a suicidal teenager, why is it tragic when a suicidal teenager kills them self but compassionate and "dying with dignaty" when a depressed terminal person does it. I mean people need to wake up and realize that this is one in the same thing noting different about it. Just think about it......

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

Thought about it, I think it is different.

ladybug18 5 years, 11 months ago

If it is different in your eyes then you havent worked with the dying. I work in health care and I know how depressed people who are elder and terminal are. Your saying that a teenager who thinks their life isnt worth living is different than an elderly terminal person who thinks their life isnt worth living, why because they are different ages? Because one is dying from terminal illness and the other isnt terminal? So are you saying that since it is ok to let the terminal man kill himself but its tragic when the depressed teenager does it that the depressed teenagers life is more valuble because his life will be mourned more? Who is it easier for really the terminal man or his loved ones when he kills himself? Do you know the answer to any of these questions 100% because if you only think you do why put into law what you only think you understand. What is true compassion for the dying? Some reason I just dont see killing them compassionate. Im sorry if you do.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't know answers 100%. I have worked and sat with too many dying elderly or terminally ill. I have known some kids who killed themselves. I have dreams of reaching out to those kids and pulling them back. Wish I could. I do what I can to fight mental illness, depression and to give support to depressed kids and adults. I cringe every-time I hear some person tell a kid they have ruined their life. Just as a shout out, hey kid, if you make mistakes, that doesn't mean your life is ruined. If you aren't the person your parents or "someone" wants you to be doesn't mean you are not or could not be a wonderful person in your own way. I worked with dying people to make their life more comfortable and heck, fun. I don't dream of asking my dying mother or cancer ridden friend to tough it out. Kids should hear it, that life can change, there is hope. Yes, I think there is a difference. A teminally ill person writhing in constant pain should not hear, hey I know you will be fine, just keep fighting. . I am not sorry you think different than I do. You have a right to your opinion. I truly see a difference.

ladybug18 5 years, 11 months ago

I can respect your opinion, and I just want to make sure that you know I dont think that telling the terminal or elderly person to keep fighting when there is no hope is right but I do feel that there is a difference between making them so they feel no pain and saying just kill your self now. I feel like this is a slippery slope into opening more doors into much darker things. My condolences to your friends and family.

tomatogrower 5 years, 11 months ago

" I do feel that there is a difference between making them so they feel no pain and saying just kill your self now."

The point is not another person telling the terminally ill person to kill him/her self. Does the terminally ill person have the right to make that decision? The choice should be entirely theirs. The only way a physician would have to be involved is to provide enough of a drug to make it happen. The patient could be in charge of administering said dose.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't think a consequence of physician assisted suicide is condoning not treating a child for a cancer that has a recovery rate. I can see you trying to talk your mom into leaving fast before she blows what you think is your share of the farm. But no, we are talking about someone who has become trapped in intolerable and terminal condition. You are right some corrupt people will see someone asking for technical help to end their life, as an excuse to murder. Murderers always can give their reasons. The famous "I always hated Mondays" But that isn't valid argument or reasoning, anymore than the purse was just sitting under the desk so they wanted someone to steal it. You are pretending by calling it a health system, pretending a health care system is devoid of legal or moral responsibility. It doesn't remove the responsibility of the physician and the patient. It should be an open and understandable process, not praying you will get a kind doctor that will risk his career. Nor should you worry that a fiend should be able to kill you claiming you asked. Let it be open and humane.

Christine Anderson 5 years, 10 months ago

I think that after reading this discussion, I will take a few steps. No, not of self-harm. I mean going to my brother-in-law's office and asking him if he would be wiling to act as my DPOA. I believe he is someone who can trusted to honor my wishes, and yet has enough detachment to handle it without emotions getting in the way. If my mother outlived me, she'd be unable to deal. My surviving sister would not want to get involved. My brother is an alcoholic, and I love him but don't trust his judgement. My kids are now 12, 13, and 23. Fast forward say 20 years. My gut feeling tells me my youngest would make the wisest decisions, but he has already had enough hellish burdens thus far in his life. My middle shild may never progress mentally beyond the level of a 5 yr. old; no go. My oldest, well, I wouldn't know if she were stil into herbs. So, let's hope bro-in-law accepts.

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