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No brainer here.
First, since K-10 from the far-eastern side of Lawrence all the way to I-435 is a controlled access highway in a mostly-rural area, why has the speed limit not been raised to 75mph? It should be 75mph at least from the east side of Lawrence to the K-7 interchange.
Second, I think that more enforcement is the key to slowing people down. Patrol the highway more often and make the allowable tollerance about 3-4mph. If the goal is a slower traffic flow, have the police more visible and write more tickets.
More importantly, some kind of intelligence test should be required before attempting to drive on K-10. It is apparent to me that there must be some Bermuda Triangle type of phenomena that lowers people's rational thought process as they drive along that highway. Would blame it on the Tonganoxie Split except the road does not go there; maybe the Desoto Devil at play!
It is just that they are so darned glad to get out of the traffic quagmire of Lawrence that it’s the devil take the hind quarter and drive hell bent for leather.
I also travel the turnpike into Kansas City and the mentality of the drivers on the turnpike are alot different than those on K10. What makes K10 unsafe are the drivers, not the speed limit. I'll take the turnpike...I'm staying away from the drivers on K10.
I totally agree. Drove it for only 3 months and it scared me to death everytime I got on that highway. These people are insane and appear to be clueless on what an accident would be like for them.
BR: You may be on to something. When I've been out there it appears most of the people flunked high school physics. They tailgate so closely there is no hope of recovery if something goes wrong.
Somebody once asked Richard Petty why he drove so close to the wall. Mr Petty replied "So it doesn't hurt so much when you hit it". I think that had something to do with physics.
not the same troopers. KTA pays turnpike troopers
I love the idiots who are in such a rush they won't let me get into the right lane and instead barrel by me when I try to get over. That's safe
If the "driver" is in the left lane doing the speed limit there is no reason for anyone to pass him other than emergency personnel. If you are not in a police car, fire truck or ambulance you need to do the speed limit. SLOW DOWN!!
Phone Man the left lane is for passing. Nothing more annoying than someone going slower than the rest of the traffic driving in the left lane. I agree with you Isabelle. It's also annoying when you go to merge onto K10 and people don't get over when they can. Argh!
Everything is legal until a judge rules it wasn't.
yep, and I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for doing anything less than 6 mph over the limit
The fines don't need to be higher for the people who get caught. The police need to get visible which has the effect of slowing down all of the traffic, not just the one who gets caught. The idea of parking over a hill, behind a sign or out in the weeds dos NOT result in large numbers of vehciles slowing down. A highly visible patrol vehicle is much more likely to accomplish this than a hidden one.
Speed humps and roundabouts. That should take care of everything.
Increasing fines has never helped control traffic, or stopped people from driving like jerks. Only increased enforcement does that.
Many states have wised up and started installing cable barriers on their narrow highways. Even MISSOURI. Performing a silly study when there was already solid research on the effectiveness of cable barriers was a stupid idea. Kansas just got lazy and cheap, and caught with their pants down. Within 3 years, you'll see it along the entire stretch.
Enforcement only goes so far considering people make driving mistakes and don't wear seat-belts.
Checkout a video of how effective these systems are:
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A most interesting link, seeblue; thank you.
Many related YouTube links become available for viewing after this one you posted finishes running. The others are very interesting as well. Included among those are some crash tests that show a cable barrier failing to restrain the vehicle -- the car punches right through. Overall, though, the cable barriers do appear to work quite well.
It remains to be seen how KDOT will configure the barriers. I was afraid there'd be just one barrier located in the bottom of the scoop-shaped median. But after watching these video clips it seems more likely that KDOT would install two individual cable arrays, one each on the eastbound and westbound left lane shoulders.
One safety problem with K-10 Highway that doesn't get much attention is that it lacks an adequate density of reflective posts. (Compare K-10's density with the Turnpike's and you'll see what I mean.)
I therefore hope KDOT outfits these cable barriers with a high concentration of reflective panels. Especially during winter storms and times of heavy rainfall, peering through your windshield and seeing that line of reflective panels ahead would by itself help guide drivers down the highway more safely.
I drive K-10 every day from Overland Park.....nobody really drives more than 75mph. There is the occasional idiot who stays in the passing lane and makes people mad and the rebel in the mercedes who whips around you doing 85. The accidents that have occured have been due mostly to driver mistakes, driver under the influence or the road conditions......seems like a no brainer to put in barricades.
Enforcement won't do a bit of good, I'm afraid.....
I have no idea what the current fines are. Fines aren't what keep me from speeding. Not wanting to get in a wreck and kill someone is what keeps me from speeding.
Increasing fines seems like such a ridiculous and lazy way to attempt to save lives. It won't work. People are going to keep speeding. Unless you're going to have a cop sitting on the side at every mile to monitor the drivers, no one is going to suddenly be deterred from speeding by the threat of higher fines.
How about instead of sitting around and changing numbers on documents to reflect a higher monetary penalty for being caught speeding, you get some workers out there and ACTUALLY MAKE K-10 SAFER. DUH!
1) I don't believe increased fines relate to vehicle speed. Pull over 100 drivers and ask them what the fine is for how fast they were driving - I doubt 5% could give you the amount.
2) I don't believe slow traffic is necessarily safe traffic. Find a group of cars bottled up behind a left lane loon - you know the ones who continually drive in the left lane going 0.01 mph faster than the traffic in the right lane. But watch the traffic behind them, you'll usually see plenty of tailgating, swerving, inattentiveness, and rapid lane changes as people try to get back to the speed they are comfortable with. If the lane hog would just pull over and restore the natural flow of traffic, suddenly everyone is happy, following distances increase and heart rates go down considerably.
3) I'm not sure why there is such a push to lower the speed. If the limit is posted at 70 and I choose to go 10 under to be safe while another person passes me at 20 over - that is only a relative difference of 30mph....my 60 to their 90. Driving down a neighborhood street, two cars would easily meet each head on at 30mph...a relative difference of 60mph.
4) Supporters say "but it only adds a few minutes to the trip" - Consider from the east side of Lawrence to the K10-435 interchange is approximately 23 miles. The trip is made in about 21.2 minutes at 65mph and 18.4 minutes at 75mph - so that is relatively true...approximately 2.8 minutes difference.
But consider the commuter making a daily trip, 2.8 minutes each way = 5.6 minutes per day, or almost 1350 minutes per working year...almost 24 hours or 3 full additional working days spent on the road every single year. So who wants to take 3 days of vacation and sit in their car?
Um, anyone who chooses to live 20 miles from work?
How about people who, in this economy, could only find a reasonable job 20 miles from work and thus have to commute?
To such people, I would suggest that wasting 2.8 minutes in here, complaining about an additional 2.8 minutes each way in the name of safety, is pointless.
In this economy? Please. The perfect willingness of people to choose to ignore their own responsibility for the traffic woes, poor road conditions, and the rest has been going on for fifty years or more, in bad and good economies.
Hey, some people have to drive alone. But most would rather try to rationalize their single-occupancy lifestyle choices--read: expensive, wasteful, selfish, and tax-dollar-sucking lifestyle choices--instead of trying to find a remedy.
90% of cars on the road in our county at rush hour are singles. Meanwhile, KU sells thousands of parking permits to people who live within two miles of campus.
The more each of us drives (alone, half or a hundred miles, with 4-8 empty seats in the car, alongside tens of thousands of people going to, going from, and passing within 2 miles of the same origins and destinations and each other's workplaces and homes, every single day, without ever considering carpooling, biking, walking or taking a bus), the more these delays will increase.
We are doing it to ourselves. So unless we decide we are going to make some fundamental changes in our own personal lifestyle choices (that's right: choices), delays, congestion, and accidents will increase. And then we'll have more calls for changes to our environment so that we can continue to ignore our behavior.
More K-10 state troopers 24/7. Sure double the fines to help pay for troopers.
Remember the first offense does not go on record with the help of the court.
I've seen an officer pull over a vehicle that was going the speed limit alongside of a bus also going the speed limit immediately outside of the city limits.
He gave the vehicle about 45 seconds to adjust its speed and then signaled a pullover.
There is such a law. It was passed last year. Yes they need to enforce that law as well as following to close. One carl link for every ten miles per hour you are doing. That is also the law.
Drive a really big and heavy vehicle very carefully that's got new tires, unbelievably effective antilock disc brakes, a 5 star crash rating for all passengers, and wear your seat belt all the time.
That's what I do.
This didn't happen in the vehicle I have now, but in another vehicle that I used to own. It also had antilock brakes, but only in the rear. It was also quite heavy.
A man driving a very small Geo Prizm pulled out directly in front of me. My very quick reaction and the antilock brakes on my car saved his life, and also the front bumper of my car.
Drive the biggest car/truck/Hummer on the road and the laws of physics will protect you from most of the other vehicles.
I think if you don't slow down you should go to jail. Who cares about fines; missing work or losing a job because you are in jail would solve some of the problems.
This is a typical question that we used to debate about in one of my economics classes. An economist thinks he can control human behavior by increasing or decreasing costs as an incentive. This mindset has invaded our government in ways that are detrimental.
We have to realize that fines are too high already. We have to realize that our cost of living is too high and the government continues to increase everything from taxes to fines and they are always interested in increasing fines and finding new revenue.
Stop falling for the faulty argument that ends up in higher fines and look for different solutions to solve problems.
How about better education and law enforcement for starters?
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