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Do you think Kansas legislative staff should be included in a proposed pay cut for state employees?

Response Percent Votes
Yes
 
91% 1363
No
 
6% 102
I’m not sure
 
1% 20
Total 1485

Comments

bobberboy 3 years ago

why ? because we can all do our jobs very well without them.

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bobberboy 3 years ago

definitely not - only the legislators should take a cut..

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Cait McKnelly 3 years ago

One of the truly nice things about all of this is the realization that the next election cycle will be a blood bath.

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Carol Bowen 3 years ago

I agree that state employees should not receive lower pay. The KS legislature has lost all credibility with this latest fiasco. I hope the voters remember.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years ago

This has been said before but I will say it again.

The state employees have been passed over for raises in wages and benefits for a number of years. It is important to be able to attract talented workers to state jobs because they increase productivity.

By politicizing this issue and cutting wages, the state of Kansas provides a further incentive to the talented workers to seek other jobs. If they leave, productivity will drop and you will be getting less return on your investment.

The legislature decided to exempt their own employees because they said they needed to maintain enough incentive to retain the level of talent they needed.

Where is the disconnect here?

It is politics pure and simple.

Politicians will not be able to control themselves. Voters must disconnect from party affiliations and start making independent and rational decisions.

My strong recommendation is for people to become independent politically and try to separate themselves from indoctrination.

This is not about saving money. This is about politics.

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Diana Lee 3 years ago

I don't understand why this is the question you decided to ask. Most people probably don't even know how these employees differ from other state employees. In fairness, yes, they should receive the exact same cut as the employees of any other branch in government. When the legislature isn't in session executive branch rules apply to they anyhow. However, I don't support the idea of cutting any employee salaries. This will do nothing but drive more talented people into private sector employment.

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Carol Bowen 3 years ago

It isn't really about the state employees. We should be analyzing costs not people. What services can we do without? (HINT: KS unemployment office should not have reduced staff hours when the number of unemployed Kansans is increasing.)

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

No hard working state employee should be receiving pay cuts. That will NOT promote economic growth.

TABOR will wreck our economy!!!!

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

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bobberboy 3 years ago

P.S. Raise taxes on the likes of the Koch Brothers and their elected cronies. (conservative republicans - from mostly around Wichita) e.g. Hutchinson, Mulvane etc.

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strongarmcrunch 3 years ago

Yes, indeed they should be. Everytime I have tried to get the state government to do anything, I am cut short at the phone call, asked to jump thru hook they themselves should be jumping tho, not me.

Cut out the middle men and we take back our state government.

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bobberboy 3 years ago

their should'nt be any paycuts - only tax increases on the rich !!

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dogsandcats 3 years ago

Corporate CEOs are the ones who need to be taking a pay cut.

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SpeedRacer 3 years ago

No one should be getting a pay cut. State and Federal legislatures are always trying to balance the budget on the backs of civil service employees.

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Kris_H 3 years ago

If by support staff you mean the legislative secretaries, I doubt if any of them make more than $40,000/yr anyway. If you mean the other office staff, i don't even know what they are called or their average salaries.

I sure hope they are cutting their own salaries while they are cutting. I'd vote for sending them all home now before they do any more damage.

Oh, and term limits. Definitely term limits.

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Ceallach 3 years ago

If they are so keen on not cutting their support staff's pay they should just pay them less than $40,000.

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distant_voice 3 years ago

Nothing angers me more than the people we elect to represent us putting themselves above the laws and policies they create As Americans, nothing is a bigger slap in the face to us. This isn't a democracy, this is just a further exercise in the powerful exempting themselves from anything they don't like, They don't know how they would get by if they lost their support staff? Duh! How do they think universities manage when they dictate budget cuts. If we want a viable, financially stable government, we HAVE to cut cots and we HAVE to increase taxes. And anyone who exempts themselves should be tried for treason.

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kernal 3 years ago

Those who have always worked for the guvmint, should try the private sector's benefits so they'd quit their whining.

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July1960 3 years ago

Yes,cut in half!!!!!!!!!!!! They all have other jobs anyway?

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July1960 3 years ago

Yep!Yes Sir!and just a plain old YES-Cut it in half,and give them folding chairs to set on!!!

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somedude20 3 years ago

Oh hell yes! Why are they so special? I can not believe that 61 people think they should not be treated like everyone else (and 10 have no idea? really? you are pass checkout time) This is garbage and I can not believe they had the testicals to propse this!

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BABBOY 3 years ago

i voted no because I do not think they should cut state employees pay. Total BS.

I have never worked for the State but have a problem with fixing the budget by cutting someone elses pay.

But, I am liberal and that is how I think.

Pretty sure all you conservatives are just fine with cutting someone's pay to alledgely save the taxes you try everyday of sorry life to avoid paying, but I am not okay with that ....

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tomatogrower 3 years ago

I forgot to add the first thing that popped into my head when I heard this. I guess the house slaves always did get better treatment than the field slaves.

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itwasthedukes 3 years ago

Why so many emotional arguments? The State is broke and there biggest expense is salaries. We do not share wealth in the country, you have to earn it. Many State workers make more than they earn. While I'm sure a smaller few perform more of the work and make less than they earn. We will never become great as a country again until everyone works harder and earns their pay not just joining groups to protect their jobs from their own incompetence. Lets not forget about the pensions, when most in the private sector are on their own for retirement do not underestimate that benefit.

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pace 3 years ago

I was tempted to answer no because implicate in the question , should legislative staff be exempt, To answer yes, implies some justification for the state employees cuts in salary and cuts in pension. I don't think that can be answered unless we see the figures on how much tax cuts to the wealthy, industry, and corporations cost us. How much economic development and tax loop holes are costing us. That is the exceptions I want to compare to other cuts made.

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irvan moore 3 years ago

we got these bozos thanks to all the people who voted against their own interests by being one issue voters who thought the republicans had "the right values". now is the time for the bleeding heart do gooders (are you reading this marci?) to stand up and go after them.

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overplayedhistory 3 years ago

Why would they not get pay cuts? The conservatives voters should quit getting tricked into voting for elitist hypocritical aristocrats because they hate pretentious liberals.

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overplayedhistory 3 years ago

Why would they not get pay cuts? The conservatives voters should quit getting tricked into voting for elitist hypocritical aristocrats because they hate pretentious liberals.

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slowplay 3 years ago

This is the legislature Kansans voted for. Those straight ticket Rebublican voters are getting exactly what they wanted. "I don't care if (insert name here) is a scum sucking, racist, SOB, he's a Republican and that's good enough for me". We are going to have to live with this until the next elections. Unfortunatly, the majority will do it again..and again.. and again. If you want a better life, best make plans to move to another state.

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werekoala 3 years ago

Gotta love the tough talk, cowardly walk. Enough of a scuzz ball to cut funding to anyone they don't actually know. They can stomach cutting education & insurance for poor kids because they live in an insulated white bread world where they never actually hve to see the effects of their decisions first hand.

Thats why they lack the cojones to cut funding for people who are much better off, they have to look them in the eye. Orphans: if you really want to keep your benefits, you need to get in some face time with the Ledge, duh!

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bear1956 3 years ago

LJW, you got it wrong again. The correct poll question should be "Do you support an additional tax on State Employees through pay cuts?"

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newmath 3 years ago

Lets also cut all rates that the state pays for contracted service and consultants as well. It is where the real money is spent.

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grandnanny 3 years ago

How in the world does anyone think that cutting salaries will help balance the budget? If Kansans make less money, they have less money to spend so the State collects less sales tax money. They have less money to report as income, so they pay less income tax. They have less money to spend so the economy does not grow.

If the State gives more tax breaks to corporations, the Koch brothers make more money (being the18th richest men in the world isn't enough) and the State takes in less money. If the State gives tax breaks to entice people to live in western Kansas, people flock to western Kansas to avoid taxes in other parts of the State (because of all the opportunities out there, not).' Wow, the economic growth is just amazing.

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tomatogrower 3 years ago

I'm curious why 20 people voted no. Why do you think the support staff pay shouldn't be cut too?

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barlowtl 3 years ago

Isn't this the same legislature that is contemplating enticing new residents from out of state by offering them all kinds of tax exemptions, both income & property tax. Of course all those "overpaid" public employees who are getting a pay cut will be expected to subsidize these new "settlers". I assume they will have to fill out a form describing their political affiliation so we won't allow any "udesirables" in. I hope you are all taking notes on who is voting for all this, don't want to make the same mistake next time.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years ago

This is where we find out who the idiots are in the state legislature.

Go on. You have our attention.

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grimpeur 3 years ago

The KS House is generally known (and behaves) as grandstanding children getting their tantrum in.

OK, done, children. We know how you feel about state employees.

If they were to start showing some backbone and fiscal responsibility and drop the bumpkin act then perhaps they'd be able to reverse their poor image.

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question4u 3 years ago

Considering that there is no justification for cutting state employees' salaries in the first place the question seems malformed. Besides, the Senate has already shown itself on a number of occasions to have a far better handle on reality than the House, so the question is definitely premature. If Senators could see that it wasn't logical to eliminate the Arts Commission, are they likely to go along with unnecessarily cutting state employee salaries just because some members of the House have simplistic minds?

Brownback's budget proposal didn't include cuts to salaries. He has stated that his primary concern is to see growth in the economy, and it's unlikely that he believes that cutting the incomes of a large number of people is a good way to make the economy grow. If raising taxes is a bad idea in an ailing economy how smart would it be to take money out of the economy by imposing pay cuts? Well, let's see, Brownback did not propose cuts to state employee salaries but Anthony Brown likes the idea. There's the answer.

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pace 3 years ago

I would like to know the figures for how much money the tax cuts to the wealthiest are? How much money do we give directly and indirectly to economic development.? How much money would taxing the corporations without loop holes bring? If I had those figures I could have a better sense about how I feel about cutting the salaries of state employees, decreasing the pensions of state employees and rather legislative support staff should enjoy or not enjoy a salary cut.

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Brock Masters 3 years ago

Of course they should be cut. To do otherwise is just plain hypocritical. Cut state employee salaries, except for my staff who I really like and will have to look in the eye if I cut their pay.

Warning - Pet Peeve Rant - Read at Your Own Risk!

Will people stop saying "We need to recall these guys." Look at the friggin' recall statute and you'll see that recall is not an option in this and most other situations that people are calling for a recall.

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jgrant 3 years ago

TRY THIS QUESTION: Do you think all state employees, elected and appointed, should be included in proposed pay cuts?

AND THIS QUESTION: Do you believe, that in the best interests of everyone in the United States, we return to the income tax laws of the 1950s?

When you answered "YES" to both questions you convinced me. You are a person who believes in equity. Who believes that the equitable, charitable sharing of our nation's resources benefits everyone.

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autie 3 years ago

abso-by god-lutely! It is hard for some of us that have not seen increases for more than two years to sit by and watch this nonsense. They cut franchise/M&E/and now corporate income tax and can't figure out why they don't have any money....and that bull is not creating jobs in Kansas...if so, where? The little butter cups in Topeka need to put on their big boy panties (or girlie) and ride in the same boat with us commoners.

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mommaof2boys 3 years ago

none2, Thank you for your comment.

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none2 3 years ago

They need to indicate each and every representative who voted for both the salary reduction and the exemption and have them re-called. They weren't elected to sit on their fat behinds while high paid staffers ($40,000+ salaried public employees) do their work with no salary reductions like the rest of the public employee's. This exemption is revolting. (Note: I'm not a public employee.)

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mommaof2boys 3 years ago

Exactly! My husband is a state employee and has not had any kind of pay raise for the past several years. Between that and my pay being frozen, we can barely make ends meet. Health insurance has gone up for both of us, as well as other costs of living, but not our pay. Why don't the legislators cut their own pay? Because it's simpler to pawn off the decision to people who are just getting by versus stepping up and being responsible. State employees typically make lower wages than those in the private sector. The positive side of being a state employee is that there's a little more job security (which is now also in jeopardy) and the hours are better, especially if you want to spend time with your children. However, the decreasing pay every year is getting scary. State employees are not this issue; its' the legislators.

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Lenette Hamm 3 years ago

Legislative STAFF?? Why not LEGISLATORS!!!!!!!!!!!

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