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Should 15th Street continue to be the dividing line between Lawrence High and Free State High?

Response Percent Votes
41% 284
35% 242
I’m not sure
22% 155
Total 681


dani36921 6 years, 8 months ago

Those of you saying no, what is a better alternative? Why don't you like 15th?

walkthehawk 6 years, 8 months ago

waste of time and $$, where both are delivering essentially the same quality product. this isn't a failing school district with a "haves" school and a "have nots" school (at the high school level, at least--Kennedy might be a different story). forcing the two to compete only funnels staff time and attention toward marketing performance rather than merely achieving it.

Jock Navels 6 years, 8 months ago

if all students want to go to school a, and nobody to school b, then do you close down school b and overcrowd school a, or are the students also ranked and if you fall below a certain rank, then you go to school b if there are no slots left in school a afteer the higher ranked students chose, or would you ddo this?

Kari Columbus 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't like it because we live closer to Free state than LHS, and so my son has to ride the bus to LHS, and we have not had a great experience there. I think we should be able to pick where they want to go.

whats_going_on 6 years, 8 months ago

yeah the same for me, but for different schools. It was about 2 miles to freestate for me, a very short drive down wakie, but LHS is way over on the other side. Not complaining now, glad I went to LHS, but it didn't make sense at the time.

Kari Columbus 6 years, 8 months ago

That is exactly my problem reverse!

kernal 6 years, 8 months ago

Why is this question being asked now?

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes, why? Are some SWJHS parents at it again?

wildcat86 6 years, 8 months ago

No matter where you draw the dividing line kids are still going to have to drive out of their way to go to either school. Just leave the line as it is.

Tammy Yergey 6 years, 8 months ago

It needs to be divided so there is economic equity or close to it, otherwise there will be a "have" and a "have-not" school. And trust me, once that happens all equity in education, opportunities, etc goes out the window. Even now, Free State already gets better facilities because of its benefactors. Having gone to a "poor" school I didn't even know what opportunities were not available in my school until I went to college and talked to others. Not fair. And I know that had an impact on a lot of my fellow classmates who never even attempted to go to college.

George_Braziller 6 years, 8 months ago

"Poor" school? I question as to whether you really know what a "poor" school is.

I came to Lawrence in 1982 and was even then amazed at all the opportunities available for high school students. I learned to type on a manual typewriter because there wasn't anything else available.

Foreign language classes? We didn't have any. Art classes? One teacher for K-12. Aquatic Center? There was an outdoor pool 15 miles away. Performance auditorium? Didn't have one. Didn't even have a gymnasium. We used the gym at another school for basketball games.

THAT'S a poor school.

ljwhirled 6 years, 8 months ago

Sounds like the education system Gov. Brownback envisions for Kansas.

Carol Bowen 6 years, 8 months ago

USD 497 is already struggling with east-west equity issues, not because of the students, because of the facilities.

SinoHawk 6 years, 8 months ago

They should divide by middle-school.

South/Southwest=LHS Central/West=FS

SpeedRacer 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree with division by middle school, but it should be SW and West - Free State, Central and South to LHS.

Eddie Muñoz 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, if you're going to do it by junior highs, this would be the best way.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

Why does USD 497 mandate students living in far east Lawrence attend school in far west Lawrence? This makes zero sense.

In Lawrence,Kansas there is truly no "poor side" of town.

In Lawrence,Kansas there are plenty of college graduates living everywhere.

The appearance of one's home in the lions share of Lawrence,Kansas does not necessarily indicate socioeconomic level/status. There are a small number of snob hill types which make up a minority in Lawrence but are not necessarily any happier or more intelligent.

About the High Schools: Let students choose whichever high school the families agree.

There are a lot empty homes in west Lawrence. Some say there are new homes that which have never been lived in. With the job market that Bush/Cheney left behind plus their fraudulent home loan wreckanomics more vacant homes are likely to appear...according the news accounts. Can we say 11 million on the foreclosure chopping block? And getting worse by the day.

If west side schools are too crowded perhaps parents should bring their students to east side schools otherwise a few movers and shakers will want to increase OUR taxes even more claiming Lawrence does not have enough school buildings = wrong!

John Hamm 6 years, 8 months ago

Doesn't really matter now does it? Loveland got a waiver when they bought a house for their daughter that was out of FS boundaries.

LadyJ 6 years, 8 months ago

Let them divide it east/west and then eventually they will close down LHS for budget reasons and we will be back to one high school.

pinecreek 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's just fast-track this a bit---if everyone is home-schooled, we can close both high schools and save a boatload of money. If it spreads to all grade levels, we can eliminate the District and all of its costs to taxpayers.

whats_going_on 6 years, 8 months ago

and then have a crapload of illiterate, out of control, obese (wait...we already have those) children running around.

Kari Columbus 6 years, 8 months ago

Nice in theory, but those of us single parents that have to work full time (and more!) cannot home school our kids! In a fantasy world I could and would love to!

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

Correct - many have done so in order to attend LHS, which as a matter of fact is far superior to the other one.

momfromlawrence 6 years, 8 months ago

What if we use Iowa as the dividing line? It isn't close to either school so there isn't a problem with kids living a block away from the school going to the other one. I went to LHS and my kids went to FS. They are both taught the same with excellent teachers. There shouldn't be a problem with rich or poor. All kids are treated the same. It is the students who have the division problem.

LadyJ 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's see, that would probably put most of the black athletes going to LHS. Hmmm

pace 6 years, 8 months ago

every once in a while the idea is floated, the schools be divided by grad, 9/10 in one and 11/12 in the other. I like that.

LadyJ 6 years, 8 months ago

A lot of people liked the idea from the beginning, Mary Loveland did not.

pace 6 years, 8 months ago

Mary Loveland should of been charged with using a false home address for her kids, instead she got an atta boy editorial

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't think the current dividing line is too bad. I would recommend only minor adjustments if any. I have two national merit candidates coming out of south and lhs and wonderful music programs.

There are a few teachers that could be better but the overall is probably among the best you will find in Kansas.

I am grateful to many of these incredible teachers.

Lawrence is blessed with many wonderful teachers.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't believe in dramatic change. I believe in incremental change with results that can be measured and good management.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 8 months ago

If you are struggling with your kids it is not the teachers who are at fault.

bahhumbug 6 years, 8 months ago

I always thought that the current split was ridiculous. I pretty much passed by LHS on my way FS every morning. Kind of silly if you ask me. Splitting by Middle School makes more sense, especially seeing as you wouldn't be splitting up students. They could continue on to a new school with all the people that they've been with for years. This would make the transition so much easier on the students, and they would be more comfortable with the switch to High School.

Clickker 6 years, 8 months ago

My kids went to a grade school that is on the west side of town, then went to SWJH...but we are slightly south of 15th street, behind Corpus Christi, so they have to go 5 miles to school (instead of 1 ) , and away from their grade school friends that they have gone to school with for 9 years. While I am mixed on the 15th street border, it seems that if kids are zoned for a specific grade school, that should be grandfathered to the HS that the majority of the kids are zoned to from that Grade school. It should supercede the boundry line. I would estimate, that with 3 kids having to drive 10 miles/d instead of 2..and going back and forth quite a bid after hrs for Showtime, sports etc, the social gerrymandering has cost me an additional $2900 over the past 5 years vs having them go to the neighborhood HS. Thats not "green" no matter how you look at it.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

keep the dividing line like it is. It seems to keep the equity in check for the most part.

Clovis Sangrail 6 years, 8 months ago

What happened? Did some southwest Lawrence parents see their daughter talking to some brown kids?

Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

This whole plan of socio-enonomic and ethnic balance by way of school boundaries in Lawrence is nonsense.

Lawrence is sort of that way by choice of the people and their selections in where they live.

It probably is costing USD 497 taxpayers a small fortune in bus expenses. USD 497 is shelling out $4-4.5 million for bus transportation. Is this wise use of our tax dollars?

Children should attend schools closest to homes. Quit closing down schools because it is costing parents and taxpayers wayyyyyyyyy too much money.

obsessedjayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

I think that they should divide the town by where YOU live. If you live on Wakarusa, wouldn't it just be easier to drive down Wakarusa to Freestate? In the situation of the junior highs, oh excuse me middle schools, what if you lived in North Lawrence and you went to Central, you had to ride the bus there. In the Central situation, the kids are split in half (well, almost half) to either go to LHS or FSHS. I think that the kids and the parents really should be able to choose the schools that the kids go to.

sallyone 6 years, 8 months ago

The dividing line should be Iowa st. or prehaps Kasold.

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