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Should non-union city exployees expect to get the same raise and benefits as union employees?

Response Percent Votes
62% 484
32% 253
Not sure
4% 36
Total 773


bootlegger 2 years, 9 months ago

yes; for sure.........................


Liberty275 2 years, 9 months ago

Yes no who cares. The real answer is fire and blackball every union member and compensate employes similar to how they would be payed in the private sector for like work.


Elrond 2 years, 9 months ago

Why on earth would I want to join a union? I will always trust in my own ability to out perform the collective and to negotiate compensation that my employer and I find agreeable.


some_random_person 2 years, 9 months ago

Labor is labor is labor. Just because some guy negotiated some "deal" with the people that cut the checks somehow this translates to different pay for the same type of labor? That makes absolutely no sense. And why should a union have anything to do with wage negotiation? Unions should only exist for their intended purpose in the 1920's, to ensure the health and safety of the workforce. Where in that statement does it say: "Negotiate better wage terms and benefits"? And guess what, we have laws now to protect workers. WE DON'T NEED UNIONS!!! What a joke, you people want to talk about our politicians being corrupt, take a look at Teamsters or other unions out there, CORRUPTION is their middle name. It all boils down to greed....


2002 2 years, 9 months ago

Unions for government employees are wrong. They do not benefit the employees and they cause great harm to the level of service provided to the public. Unionized public employees ARE NOT public servants. They, as a group, a self servants organizing in a fashion to attempt to look out for themselves first. Unionized public safety workers are the worst of this group. Unions don't get government employees anything extra, it is a market based employment system. If a government agency doesn't pay well they will end up with weak employees. What unions do is negotiate rules to preserve underperforming employees jobs and creating promotion rules that ignore performance.

I am actually pro-union for many fields, but adamantly against government employee unions; so yes, every employee should get the same union or not.


somedude20 2 years, 9 months ago

The union I have cannot strike so what power does it really have. "You know, if you do not make working conditions safer, the union will type a strongly worded letter or something."

My pops was a union man (better than the Confederacy) so I too have been one but unions ain't what they use to be. They use to have tiger teeth now they have the biting power of Zsa Zsa Gabor


Jean Robart 2 years, 9 months ago

city employees are city employees


labmonkey 2 years, 9 months ago

Why should the person who doesn't take the risk of being in the Union and not pay the Union dues get the benefits and raises negotiated by the Union?

Ironmouse, I question your sincerity. I am currently in a Union and I doubt I would be making anywhere near what I make without it. There are a few disadvantages such as some people being kept around that should have been kicked out the door long ago, but for the most part we stand together and make sure that a Union brother doesn't get screwed. And you follow your job description in a contract... or else you are screwing someone else out of overtime. Unions do have their place as long as they aren't too weak to where a company can run all over the employees (to the point where the union employees are the first ones to go in a cutback), or too powerful to where they run their industry into the ground i.e. UAW.

Then again, I am in a company-union relationship and not a taxpayer-union relationship.


BABBOY 2 years, 9 months ago

Great, another political question. But, that is part of my job so here you go:

I would note that the ljworld is acknowleding however that unions do help workers by increasing pay and benefits.

They are frankly the only thing trying to protect the middle class

Sam Brownback does not care about the middle class

Look at what he did on spending on middle class issues like the public school system (which he basically crapped on);.


Alexander Smith 2 years, 9 months ago

Well first of all, being of a union background and not any more, unions are hurting our economy. They had there time and for the most part are no longer needed. Unions abuse budgets and while I was in the union, I have never seen such laziness and unwillingness to help other co-workers "because its not in my contract".

Non-Union should have same access to raises and benefits as Unions. To not to is discrimination. Also after being a part of both parties, non-union on average are more drivent to perform and provide better service then a union. They are more likely to go the extra mile to get the job done. So, to not offer a benefit or raise to a non-union is unfair.

Getting rid of unions would for sure lead to better use of budgets and less waste of resources. Effective, quality, efficiency DOES not equal UNION.

Now this is in general, I do know some union people that really work above and beyond.. the sad thing is they usually don't broadcast it because they will get in trouble with the union leaders. SAD


skinny 2 years, 9 months ago

Equal pay for equal work! If you pay your union dues too!


jafs 2 years, 9 months ago

I'd say no.

If you don't want to join a union, that's your choice, but you should forgo any benefits that accrue from union membership, negotiations, etc.


Cai 2 years, 9 months ago

I would argue that, ideally, the answer to this should change:

How much of the raise is the union ACTUALLY responsible for?


Richard Heckler 2 years, 9 months ago

Non Union involves higher paid staff with decent salary and benefit packages. Have not seen any at that level laid off lately.

It may likely there are wage increases written into their contracts. Not necessarily based on performance.


somebodynew 2 years, 9 months ago

Well this is mis-leading as neither has a true Union. They are only recognized as bargaining agent and the "contracts" are just memorandums of understanding. Trust me that is pointed out by the City if they try to change anything (and on at least one occassion) the MOU did not stand up in court when the City decided to change something.


del888 2 years, 9 months ago

All residents in the city should get the same raise. Where's mine?


sierraclub 2 years, 9 months ago

Of course!! And, lower their taxes while you are at it.


over_par 2 years, 9 months ago

Yes they should. As soon as they go through the same training and face the same hazards


giveitsomethought 2 years, 9 months ago

I would have to claim not informed well enough to answer. Is it just police and fire unions in town? Are other city positions unionized as well? If it is just police and fire, I think they have a hazardous job and should have a better benefit and compensation package.


RogueThrill 2 years, 9 months ago

Ideally, if you don't belong to the Union you wouldn't benefit from the Union. That's the jerk in me speaking.

But in reality, Unions exist to benefit all workers.


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