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Lawrence is getting six new buses for the T. How often do you use public transportation?

Response Percent Votes
75% 700
Often — Daily or weekly
11% 108
Rarely — Once or twice a year (if that)
9% 87
Sometimes — Once a month or so
4% 38
Total 933


Richard Payton 7 years, 6 months ago

Maybe the City could promote the T for late night crowds and bar routes. This would keep the patrons that might have one drink too many off the road. Not certain if this would work or not, maybe worth an evaluation test.

lmb 7 years, 6 months ago

As it is now, they don't run that late. But I certainly would ride more frequently if it was available to take for a dinner out downtown.

VTHawk 7 years, 6 months ago

I take the bus every day to work, but I work in a city where it makes sense to have public transit (Shanghai), not a city with low population density like Lawrence.

Tim Quest 7 years, 6 months ago

I used public transportation almost exclusively when I lived in Chicago, but I've never used it in Lawrence. I fully support the idea of public transportation, but in a town like Lawrence it is just too inconvenient for most people to use unless it's an absolute necessity.

imzo2002 7 years, 6 months ago

If the bus came out to my house I would take it more often but i really dont want to walk over a mile to catch the bus that comes every hour and fourty minutes.

Kyle Reed 7 years, 6 months ago

Hour and fourty minutes?! What route are you trying to ride? You might want to check out the schedule because at most they come every fourty minutes and during peak times quite a few stops are every half hour.

kernal 7 years, 6 months ago

I grew up in a larger city and used the city's bus system to get to school, do shopping and later my first job. Having grown up with a handicapped parent, who was unable to drive, it was a godsend.

StuckinKansas 7 years, 6 months ago

Why spend an hour on buses when you can get across town in ten minutes, on a bicyle? I would like to know what the ridership is for the bus system?

gl0ck0wn3r 7 years, 6 months ago

Last time I did the math, it cost the taxpayer approximately $14 to fund a round-trip ticket on the T and ridership was low. Ridership has "risen" because the T has merged with the campus bus system, so the numbers are inflated. I haven't done the math again because arguing against the T using logic and numbers is pointless... the advocates for the T want a public bus system regardless of costs. It is an emotional issue for them. However, I would imagine if someone did the statistics again one would find that the cost is still prohibitively high.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

You are saying since the merger the numbers are inflated? Did you think the numbers were accurate for both systems before the merger but after the merger the numbers are inaccurate. It sounds like an emotional issue for you, it is a transportation issue for my family. Ttwo members of my family don't drive or have a car, by choice, both walk a lot but often need to take the bus to work, to Dr. to stores, to library. . It enables people who live here or might move here to get to necessities or entertainment without a car. If you want to use LA as an example to design our transportation system, You should move there. Insisting the personal car is the only system needed is just a nightmare plan. It is a bad long term plan. If you want to see an economic downturn, insist only people who want to and can drive and also afford a car live in Lawrence. Then if for some reason they can't drive, make them leave. That seems to be the transportation plan in some sour pusses mind. Intolerance at that level is bad economy and short sighted.. Insisting all the students, the elderly, everyone use a car to go to school, to work, to shop is such a bad plan for the community. Talk about football day parking problems Monday through Friday. . Everyday would be where to park, gas stations become long lines, streets would all be 23 rd st. If Lawrence has a chance of economic growth, to maintain reasonable infrastructure, attract industries and businesses, retain or attract retired population , then we need public transportation. Your pipe dream of making everyone use a personal car is stuck in the 50's and impractical.

gl0ck0wn3r 7 years, 6 months ago

I am a little lost regarding your statement that this is an emotional issue for me. In my opinion, it does not make rational financial sense in a city this size with the economics involved. That is my argument. However, people who advocate for the T often do so regardless of the facts or figures and instead rely on emotional anecdotal evidence or vague "public good" arguments. You have done both. This is why it is pointless to do the statistics because regardless of how much effort one puts into the math, there are those that do not care because a bus system - even one that is not financially viable - is always better than not having on.

I can only assume the numbers the city kept prior to the merger were accurate and not intentionally inflated. I do believe the city tends to report the numbers in a way that makes them useless, but that is another matter. The point i was making above is that ridership numbers for the T will be inflated by the people who only use the on campus system and never use the off campus portion of the system.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

you seem emotional to me, you make assertions that the numbers are inflated but when asked, duck the issue. You insist you are a number guy but your math seems based on feelings. You feel strongly and I appreciate that but no. Insisting on everyone owning a car and driving themselves everywhere is a bad plan.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

Your transportation plan for Lawrence is for me personally to drive everyone else around to the drs, work, bank, job interviews, stores? You are either stupid or pretending to be. What kind of leave it Beaver world do you pretend you live in? Wanting everyone to drive their own car everywhere is a bad premise to build a good economic future on, for this town.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

You call the number of the combined system inflated because they include the students? mmm

gl0ck0wn3r 7 years, 6 months ago

I will reply to all of these in one post. I shall not respond to your personal attacks.

When i last did the analysis - before the sales tax vote - a one way trip on the T cost the taxpayer approximately $7. I am paraphrasing my data because I am on my iPad. I did some basic regression analysis trying to determine if there was any variable that seemed to correlate with an increase or decrease in ridership. I looked at things like gasoline costs and weather, among other obvious variables. If I remember correctly, oil cost was negatively correlated, but only slightly. The only significant variable was the increase in ridership when the rides were free.

The very simple way to do the math is to request ridership data for a given period. Divide the net cost of the operation by the number of rides. Like I said, when I last did this, it was approximately $7 per one way ride before the new regressive sales tax. My guess is that it would be significantly more annoying to break out actual costs per rider now that the campus system is included and that is quite clearly intentional because the amount of federal funding is based on ridership data.

It isn't a matter of if I want you to ride a bus PR drive a car. I would ideally like to spend the least amount of money getting you from point a to point b. The T is not the best solution.

I hope that answered your questions.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

I was just questioning that you said the figures were inflated. You meant to say that you didn't felt the figures reflected the real issues.

pace 7 years, 6 months ago

You feel the students shouldn't count as riding because their ridership is part of their student fees and privilege. With that as a hypothesis then any discounted rider or persons who buys a pass or card should not count as a rider. Since the cost for each rider is not covered fully by the fee you probably don't feel they should count. Now I finally understand why some feel buses are empty when it is clear to me and others there are people on the buses . You are entitled to your feelings. I don't find dismissing riders is the same as stating the numbers are inflated. I don't find your argument the type that would sway my mind. I understand that you wouldn't find arguments that would sway your mind. We are different that way. To have a plan where everyone in lawrence must own and drive a car is such a bad plan. Again, it would jam the streets, cost in parking, reduce economic activities vital to the future of this town. A public transportation system is like sidewalks, not everyone uses them or needs them but they make sense.

purplesage 7 years, 6 months ago

The smaller buses make sense. Has anyone ever seen more than a few heads on one of the blue bombs? But pity the mechanics who have to work on those van / bus things. They are awful. And expensive. One of which I'm aware had battery problems. A dealer wanted $1K - that's right, a thousand dollars - for the battery cable. Lawrence Battery fixed it for under $20!

Romans832 7 years, 6 months ago

I don't know if the "Park and Ride" buses are considered public transportation, since I am driving to a parking lot. But I am taking a bus to get to my final destination. I use the P&R option daily to get to work.

Romans832 7 years, 6 months ago

The reason I wasn't sure how to answer is that the headline speaks of new buses for the T. And then the question was about "public transportation." So I wasn't sure if it was "public transportation" in the broadest sense, or "public transportation" on the T. (I still haven't cast my ballot on this poll.)

My situation is the latter--I live in Lawrence and take KU's public transportation. For $90 a year for a parking permit, it's an offer I can't refuse! I might otherwise find myself on the T a couple of times each semester and would perhaps ride it more on Saturday if I stayed in town.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 6 months ago

There is something very telling in that bar graph above, it seems that not many people are interested in the Empty Bus Company. Is this proper and efficient use of tax payer dollars to provide nearly free transportation to an infinitesimal segment of the population? Taxes are bad enough now on those who are responsible citizens and maintain their own life support and transportation. Why should we support those who do not?

Don't jump on me, why should I work and save and maintain my own transportation and then be forced to support those who do not? I am in favor of the T-Lift for disabled and other handicapped, but they should have to provide evidence and pay for this service just like the people who have to pay the fee for the handicapped tags for their cars.

David Albertson 7 years, 6 months ago

I'm waiting for the neo-conservatives to blame Obama.

wdl 7 years, 6 months ago

I couldn't help but notice that they are buying 6 considerably smaller buses to replace the old timers. Its almost like saying we over spent on the old buses way back when we purchased them. As a tax payer I squirm in my seat every time I see a MT bus which is most of the time. How can any one in there right mind justify this expense to the tax payers.

No business man or woman would put up with this gross amount of waste in their business. As a matter of fact if the T was a business it would have went under long ago. How long will the tax payers be a part of the endless use of our dollars in this city. As for the library just another example of funds wasted for a few paid for by all. Lets through the bums out and let KU stroke their own boat.

Reuben Turner 7 years, 6 months ago

been meaning to ride it, but just haven't.

pandazrule 7 years, 6 months ago

I teach at KU, live downtown and use the T every day to go to work and back and go shopping. I love it and couldn't get along without it!

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